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Dumbbell Nebula (M27)
by Dave Gary 09 Jun '14

09 Jun '14

My first attempt imaging with a nebula filter. Can’t say it was too successful. This is just a preview image of about 200 seconds. I never did get things going to get a full-acquisition image. I may try again, tonight. These early-morning imaging sessions can be brutal. I think I got most of the weird stuff hammered out last night. I didn’t have any coffee for Murphy, so he just stayed a couple of minutes, but it was enough to throw me off. Doesn’t take much. Sorry about the size of the image. It was the best I could muster. https://www.flickr.com/photos/78046474@N06/14343831416/in/set-7215764500503… Dave

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Quick and Dirty Image of M22
by Dave Gary 08 Jun '14

08 Jun '14

Here’s a quick and dirty image of M22. The temperatures are nice for sitting out in the driveway, but the timeframe for getting a decent image sucks. It doesn’t get dark enough to image until around 22:00. This one was taken about 02:00 this morning. I fell asleep in the “observatory" chair and when Nebulosity informed me the image was complete I just about had a heart attack. I’m going to try to get M27 (Dumbbell Nebula) tonight/tomorrow morning. Is a generic narrowband nebula filter the best to use to image this object or should I use an O-III filter? That’s all I have for nebula filters. https://www.flickr.com/photos/78046474@N06/14173213580/ Dave

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Today's EPOD
by Wiggins Patrick 06 Jun '14

06 Jun '14

Well look who got yet another EPOD: http://epod.usra.edu/blog/2014/06/behrens-trench.html Well done! patrick

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] Cosmos2
by Joe Bauman 05 Jun '14

05 Jun '14

Mr. Hager, you have been extremely disruptive and provocative in this discussion. It makes me dread reading the Utah Astronomy posts. I understand that you refuse to consider other viewpoints and that you have contempt for those of us who have what we consider to be legitimate skepticism on the global warming debate. Let's just leave it at that. ------------------------------ On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 10:39 AM MDT stormcrow60(a)xmission.com wrote: >Siegfried Wrote: > >With that kind of response I guess we're just not going to be friends. For >me there is no sense in continuing this. > >Siegfried > > > >Siegfried, > My response? You flipped out because I accidentally transposed two letters in your name. You evidently thought I did this on purpose, which surprised the hell out of me, because it was unrelated to the subject at hand. I'm not in second grade and trying to egg you on over your name was beyond my intentions. But the very fact you thought I had done so, and your reaction, by calling me an idiot, says a lot about your character. You even went so far as to imply another list member was an idiot because they pointed out your indiscretion. Then, your previous email was rather bizarre and cryptic, regarding my name and what it meant to you. Who gives a crap? My first name is legally 'Jon'. All my life people have automatically spelled my name 'John'. If I allowed that to anger me, I might just as well check into the looney bin. The only time I care about the way my name is spelled is on a legal document. Other than that.... pffft. I just don't care. I am also done with this conversation. I hope you have a nice day. > >Jon > >_______________________________________________ >Utah-Astronomy mailing list >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > >Send messages to the list to >Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > >The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. > >To unsubscribe go to: >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".

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Cosmos2
by stormcrow60＠xmission.com 05 Jun '14

05 Jun '14

Siegfried Wrote: With that kind of response I guess we're just not going to be friends. For me there is no sense in continuing this. Siegfried Siegfried, My response? You flipped out because I accidentally transposed two letters in your name. You evidently thought I did this on purpose, which surprised the hell out of me, because it was unrelated to the subject at hand. I'm not in second grade and trying to egg you on over your name was beyond my intentions. But the very fact you thought I had done so, and your reaction, by calling me an idiot, says a lot about your character. You even went so far as to imply another list member was an idiot because they pointed out your indiscretion. Then, your previous email was rather bizarre and cryptic, regarding my name and what it meant to you. Who gives a crap? My first name is legally 'Jon'. All my life people have automatically spelled my name 'John'. If I allowed that to anger me, I might just as well check into the looney bin. The only time I care about the way my name is spelled is on a legal document. Other than that.... pffft. I just don't care. I am also done with this conversation. I hope you have a nice day. Jon

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Cosmos2
by CenturyLink Customer 05 Jun '14

05 Jun '14

Okay, MOTHER IS HERE, TIME OUT !!! . (Sorry Rich, I can't take it any more) This board has a lot of members (maybe a few less after this thread and that is really too bad) , many of whom DO NOT know one another and that is GREAT!!!! This board does exactly what it is supposed to do, brings people with an interest in astronomy together from vari ous points of the globe, with a variety of work and educational backgrounds, experiences, talents, skills and opinions. By discussion, we all grow and change. We may not agree with one another no matter how vehemently we argue our points, but that is OKAY!. Its human nature. It's America, we are entitled to our opinions and we have the extreme privilege of free speech and the ability to express those opinions. We are all adults (I think - not sure on that one) I consistantly marvel as to how a subject like "astronomy" can bring together accountants, financers, engineers, teachers, geologists, physisists, busness owners, cashiers and others together under it's umbrella. The variety of these backgrounds enrich the community. Please, Please. Please. Let this be the last post on this thread.

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] L&O time again
by Joe Bauman 05 Jun '14

05 Jun '14

Sounds great! But my gout won't allow me to have any liver. ------------------------------ On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 8:45 AM MDT Chuck Hards wrote: >Excellent! > >Per Larry's post, why don't we lean toward the 21st, so we don't lose folks >to Bryce. > >Let's hear more opinions from attendees, though. > > > >On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 8:37 AM, Richard Tenney via Utah-Astronomy < >utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > >> I believe I should be able to come either of those days. >> /R >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Chuck Hards <chuck.hards(a)gmail.com> >> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Sent: Thursday, June 5, 2014 6:30 AM >> Subject: [Utah-astronomy] L&O time again >> >> >> It's about time for another meeting of the Liver & Onions Subcommittee. >> >> There is a sun party and ATM session on the 14th, so how does either 6/21 >> or 6/28 look to everyone? No SLAS events are scheduled on those two >> Saturdays. >> >> >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >Utah-Astronomy mailing list >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > >Send messages to the list to >Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > >The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. > >To unsubscribe go to: >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".

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Why do you enjoy astronomy?
by Ryan Simpkins 05 Jun '14

05 Jun '14

I'm reading Carl Sagan's Cosmos. Somewhere in there he talked about a proposed idea that Venus was actually a comet ejected from Jupiter. It zipped past the Earth and caused Noah's flood. Then it zipped back again and caused the Earth to stop spinning. Then it zipped back again and started it spinning again 3 days later before it settled in to an orbit around the sun. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worlds_in_Collision] The illustrious Mr. Sagan wrote in his book (and I apologize profusely for paraphrasing as I don't have the book with me), that he was disappointed in his fellow astronomers & scientists for ridiculing the Venus as Comet idea rather than examining it on its merits. I think his point was that any time we are willing to throw out an idea, no matter how crazy it first seems, we risk delaying or ultimately preventing ourselves from discovering truth. In short, humility is the path to truth. We were expecting "X", and so anything that doesn't match "X" must be wrong.... right? The idea that being wrong is beneficial is a surprising facet of astronomy. So many astronomers have been wrong. Platonic solid orbits. Irrigation canals on Mars. Tunnels on the Moon. Swamps on Venus. Yet the truth is eventually discovered through our persistence and resolve to remain honest with oursevles and others. We discover that we are wrong and then we go through the often difficult process of accepting it. Only then can we finally call it a discovery. It is incredibly humbling and makes those moments of awe possible. I spent 60 minutes the other night hunting for M81 and M82. I couldn't find them. One of you folks could probably just randomly whip your telescope around and it would naturally fall on the object you desire. I failed. That's humbling. Of course failure is no reason to give up. Eventually M81 and M82 will find their way in to my view. It will take persistence, patience, and time. When I do find them I will have the satisfaction of having my own personal discovery. I will also be sure to never misplace them again, little buggers! It is in sharing those moments of discovery and triumph that bring me the greatest joy. The best part of astronomy (for me) is watching children look through a telescope for the first time. They usually have no preconceived notions of what they should be seeing. They are, in essence, honestly and perfectively humble. Their minds are ripe for discovery with none of the proclivities toward projection adults often have. When they see something as simple as the Moon's surface for the first time they don't have to be wrong. It is pure discovery, and pure awe. That's when you hear the "wow!" we all love to year. The universe becomes discovered over and over again as each of us travel through our own personal journey amongst the stars. Having now learned this, how can I _not_ share it with as many people as who will accept it? That's why I enjoy astronomy. Why do you? Clear skies. -Ryan

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Cosmos2
by stormcrow60＠xmission.com 04 Jun '14

04 Jun '14

Joe, I was only replying to his "name calling retort". Frankly, I couldn't care less if he is friends with others on this board. If he is going to dish it out, he should expect it back. And I will repeat myself and then I am done with it. Global warming is not a scientific doubt. It is scientific fact. Good Day Sir, Jon

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Cosmos2
by stormcrow60＠xmission.com 04 Jun '14

04 Jun '14

SIEGFRIED Wrote: Even there we disagree Jon. You see, from my perspective, you are the one who started the name calling with the perverted spelling of my name. My calling you an idiot was giving your insult back. You are also an example of the science behind the global warming hoax. You have no tolerance for another point of view. It is the reason only one side of the argument gets any funding, i.e., no tolerance for another point of view. The name "Jon" doesn't mean much to me. What is your name? You know Siegfried. I was trying to let this go. I couldn't care less if my name means anything to you. My mis-spelling of your name was unintentional. Once again, I'm sorry you are so insecure about your name. Frankly, I think you're just bat-shit crazy. Richard, if you are going to moderate anyone, I was trying to let this go. Just take that into consideration. Good day!

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