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RE: [Utah-astronomy] Pictures on KSL
by Kim Hyatt 05 Feb '03

05 Feb '03

Yes, I know. "Jest tryin' ta haf a lidle fun." -----Original Message----- From: Brent Watson [mailto:brentjwatson@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 10:01 AM To: utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: RE: [Utah-astronomy] Pictures on KSL Kim, These rules are broken by the national news media as well, and just as often. Although Utah has many "colorful" uses of the english language, I'm afraid this one is a bit more wide spread. Brent --- Kim Hyatt <khyatt(a)smithlayton.com> wrote: > It's one of my idiosyncrasies. I am also peeved by > subject/verb/prepositional-phrase screw-ups such as, > "The poorly educated > broadcast anchorwoman said a group of children were > crossing the street." > (The correct sentence, of course, should read, "...a > group of children was > crossing the street." because the word 'children' is > obviously the object of > a prepositional phrase and not the object of the > sentence.) Sometime listen > to the radio or TV and notice how often this rule is > broken - such sentences > are almost never spoken correctly. As an > acquaintance of mine often said, > "Yup - urine Utah." > > My apologies to anyone I may have offended. And now > for today's arithmetic > lesson... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Gibson [mailto:xajax99@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 9:28 AM > To: utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: RE: [Utah-astronomy] Pictures on KSL > > > > Oh! and Kim - my fourth language is Utawese in which > in some circles "the > data is" would have gone by un-noticed. Obviously it > didn't get by you. > > > Jim > > > Jim Gibson <xajax99(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Kim > > You are absolutely right. I trip over that all the > time at work. Hay! You > gotta remember I grew up (in Hawaii) speaking pigeon > English. My second > language is Surferese and my third language is > Regular English which I have > less than half donw. (see) > > Jim > > Kim Hyatt <khyatt(a)smithlayton.com> wrote: > > > Jim, I hope you don't mind a little teasing... You > really should have said, > "Here are our data." BTW, good job with KSL. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Gibson [mailto:xajax99@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 8:41 AM > To: utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Pictures on KSL > > > > Maybe I should have said. "Here is our data. This > picture and Patrick > Wiggins mind." That would inspire confidence. > > > Patrick. I hope you are a good sport. You know I am > just teasing > > > Jim > > > Jim Gibson <xajax99(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Patrick > > Thank you. You deserve a grate deal of credit for > the pictures we all got. > You got us in the right place at the right time > oriented in the right > direction with the right setup. All I did was push > the button. > > The one thing I kick myself for now is that I didn't > have my date/time stamp > turned on. After working for 17 of the last 27 years > in the data collection > business and in particular being involved in writing > programs that bring a > number of different data sets together for analysis, > I know how important it > is to have properly time coordinated data. With out > it the significance of > each data set is reduced. It would be easy to > assume that the video shown > on TV and my picture are data of the same event. > There is a good chance that > that is not the case. If anyone hasn't seen the > video spoken of shown on KSL > go to > > http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?nid=39 > <http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?nid=39&sid=8498> > &sid=8498 > > If we consider that the "zipper" affect started over > Hawaii, pieces were > falling off over the pacific, California, Nevada, > Utah, Arizona etc all the > way to the final catastrophic event. There were > multiple events and without > time coloration it makes it very difficult to have > confidence in saying > these two pictures were of the same event. Patrick > from some of your > previous statements I feel that the event I captured > was of the 6:56 (local > time) event. Saying "I feel" does not inspire a lot > of confidence in an > important matter. You were astutely the timekeeper > besides everything else > you were doing. I guess the best we can do is say > here is our piece of data. > > Just a few thoughts concerning me. > > Jim > > > > > Patrick Wiggins <paw(a)trilobyte.net> wrote: > > I checked the web to see if Jim's picture was in the > D News today (Tuesday). > > Did a search on "Gibson" and got "Utah photo may > show breakup of space > shuttle" > but when I clicked on it it tried to take me to > http://deseretnews.com/dn/view2/1,4382,455029547,00.html?textfield=Gibson > . > All > that got me was "Not Found The requested object does > not exist on this > server." > > Has anyone been able to get to Jim's picture today? > > BTW, kudos to Jim for a fine interview on KSL TV > this evening. > > Patrick > > _______________________________________________ > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > > > > > _____ > > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! > <http://rd.yahoo.com/mail/mailsig/*http://mailplus.yahoo.com> > Mail > Plus - Powerful. 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RE: [Utah-astronomy] Pictures on KSL
by Kim Hyatt 05 Feb '03

05 Feb '03

Jim, I hope you don't mind a little teasing... You really should have said, "Here are our data." BTW, good job with KSL. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Gibson [mailto:xajax99@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 8:41 AM To: utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Pictures on KSL Maybe I should have said. "Here is our data. This picture and Patrick Wiggins mind." That would inspire confidence. Patrick. I hope you are a good sport. You know I am just teasing Jim Jim Gibson <xajax99(a)yahoo.com> wrote: Patrick Thank you. You deserve a grate deal of credit for the pictures we all got. You got us in the right place at the right time oriented in the right direction with the right setup. All I did was push the button. The one thing I kick myself for now is that I didn't have my date/time stamp turned on. After working for 17 of the last 27 years in the data collection business and in particular being involved in writing programs that bring a number of different data sets together for analysis, I know how important it is to have properly time coordinated data. With out it the significance of each data set is reduced. It would be easy to assume that the video shown on TV and my picture are data of the same event. There is a good chance that that is not the case. If anyone hasn't seen the video spoken of shown on KSL go to http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?nid=39 <http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?nid=39&sid=8498> &sid=8498 If we consider that the "zipper" affect started over Hawaii, pieces were falling off over the pacific, California, Nevada, Utah, Arizona etc all the way to the final catastrophic event. There were multiple events and without time coloration it makes it very difficult to have confidence in saying these two pictures were of the same event. Patrick from some of your previous statements I feel that the event I captured was of the 6:56 (local time) event. Saying "I feel" does not inspire a lot of confidence in an important matter. You were astutely the timekeeper besides everything else you were doing. I guess the best we can do is say here is our piece of data. Just a few thoughts concerning me. Jim Patrick Wiggins <paw(a)trilobyte.net> wrote: I checked the web to see if Jim's picture was in the D News today (Tuesday). Did a search on "Gibson" and got "Utah photo may show breakup of space shuttle" but when I clicked on it it tried to take me to http://deseretnews.com/dn/view2/1,4382,455029547,00.html?textfield=Gibson . All that got me was "Not Found The requested object does not exist on this server." Has anyone been able to get to Jim's picture today? BTW, kudos to Jim for a fine interview on KSL TV this evening. Patrick _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy _____ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! <http://rd.yahoo.com/mail/mailsig/*http://mailplus.yahoo.com> Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up <http://rd.yahoo.com/mail/mailsig/*http://mailplus.yahoo.com> now _____ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail <http://rd.yahoo.com/mail/mailsig/*http://mailplus.yahoo.com> Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up <http://rd.yahoo.com/mail/mailsig/*http://mailplus.yahoo.com> now

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] Picture in the DN
by Brent Watson 05 Feb '03

05 Feb '03

Jim, BTW, your focal length was set to 5.9mm and the exposure time was 8 sec. The flash did not fire. The aperture was set at f3.0, with a maximum value of f2.8. It was taken using a Kodak DC4800 Zom Digital Camera. It was using a spot light measuring system, daylight light source, and an EI of 400. It was a manual program. All this information and more is in the header for the JPEG format. Brent --- Jim Gibson <xajax99(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > Patrick > > Thank you. You deserve a grate deal of credit for > the pictures we all got. You got us in the right > place at the right time oriented in the right > direction with the right setup. All I did was push > the button. > > The one thing I kick myself for now is that I didnt > have my date/time stamp turned on. After working for > 17 of the last 27 years in the data collection > business and in particular being involved in writing > programs that bring a number of different data sets > together for analysis, I know how important it is to > have properly time coordinated data. With out it the > significance of each data set is reduced. It would > be easy to assume that the video shown on TV and my > picture are data of the same event. There is a good > chance that that is not the case. If anyone hasnt > seen the video spoken of shown on KSL go to > > http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?nid=39&sid=8498 > > If we consider that the zipper affect started over > Hawaii, pieces were falling off over the pacific, > California, Nevada, Utah, Arizona etc all the way to > the final catastrophic event. There were multiple > events and without time coloration it makes it very > difficult to have confidence in saying these two > pictures were of the same event. Patrick from some > of your previous statements I feel that the event I > captured was of the 6:56 (local time) event. Saying > I feel does not inspire a lot of confidence in an > important matter. You were astutely the timekeeper > besides everything else you were doing. I guess the > best we can do is say here is our piece of data. > > Just a few thoughts concerning me. > > Jim > > > > > Patrick Wiggins <paw(a)trilobyte.net> wrote: > I checked the web to see if Jim's picture was in the > D News today (Tuesday). > Did a search on "Gibson" and got "Utah photo may > show breakup of space shuttle" > but when I clicked on it it tried to take me to > http://deseretnews.com/dn/view2/1,4382,455029547,00.html?textfield=Gibson > . All > that got me was "Not Found The requested object does > not exist on this server." > > Has anyone been able to get to Jim's picture today? > > BTW, kudos to Jim for a fine interview on KSL TV > this evening. > > Patrick > > _______________________________________________ > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] Picture in the DN
by Brent Watson 05 Feb '03

05 Feb '03

Jim, Your JPEG file has a date and time on it as a part of the jpeg format. The dat and time associated with the image are February 1, 2003 at 8:19:38. I hope you have not changed the date on your camera. All you need to do is to correlate the time on your camera now to WWV, and you'll have the time of the image. Brent --- Jim Gibson <xajax99(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > Patrick > > Thank you. You deserve a grate deal of credit for > the pictures we all got. You got us in the right > place at the right time oriented in the right > direction with the right setup. All I did was push > the button. > > The one thing I kick myself for now is that I didnt > have my date/time stamp turned on. After working for > 17 of the last 27 years in the data collection > business and in particular being involved in writing > programs that bring a number of different data sets > together for analysis, I know how important it is to > have properly time coordinated data. With out it the > significance of each data set is reduced. It would > be easy to assume that the video shown on TV and my > picture are data of the same event. There is a good > chance that that is not the case. If anyone hasnt > seen the video spoken of shown on KSL go to > > http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?nid=39&sid=8498 > > If we consider that the zipper affect started over > Hawaii, pieces were falling off over the pacific, > California, Nevada, Utah, Arizona etc all the way to > the final catastrophic event. There were multiple > events and without time coloration it makes it very > difficult to have confidence in saying these two > pictures were of the same event. Patrick from some > of your previous statements I feel that the event I > captured was of the 6:56 (local time) event. Saying > I feel does not inspire a lot of confidence in an > important matter. You were astutely the timekeeper > besides everything else you were doing. I guess the > best we can do is say here is our piece of data. > > Just a few thoughts concerning me. > > Jim > > > > > Patrick Wiggins <paw(a)trilobyte.net> wrote: > I checked the web to see if Jim's picture was in the > D News today (Tuesday). > Did a search on "Gibson" and got "Utah photo may > show breakup of space shuttle" > but when I clicked on it it tried to take me to > http://deseretnews.com/dn/view2/1,4382,455029547,00.html?textfield=Gibson > . All > that got me was "Not Found The requested object does > not exist on this server." > > Has anyone been able to get to Jim's picture today? > > BTW, kudos to Jim for a fine interview on KSL TV > this evening. > > Patrick > > _______________________________________________ > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] Space ham?
by stargaze＠attbi.com 04 Feb '03

04 Feb '03

Yes I am, and no I haven't. I'd love to try it sometime.

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] Comforting
by stargaze＠attbi.com 04 Feb '03

04 Feb '03

Rog: Thanks for sharing your story. It helps. Steve > I hope this is not off topic or insignificant... > > I was an undercover detective working on an investigation. > It was Christmas eve in NYC - 4 decades ago.

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] New Scientist
by David L Bennett 04 Feb '03

04 Feb '03

Cynthia, if want to scan it I could post it on my site with my bowling ball spoof...have you seen it yet? dlb http://homepage.mac.com/dlbennett/ On Tuesday, February 4, 2003, at 02:28 PM, Cynthia Blue wrote: > It's the actual hard copy sent in the snail-mail... I can probably scan > it in and put if up if you'd like. :) Or copy it off and mail out copies. > > Cyn >

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RE: [Utah-astronomy] New Scientist
by Kim Hyatt 04 Feb '03

04 Feb '03

Cynthia, Can you give me the URL for the article in New Scientist? I can't seem to locate it. -----Original Message----- From: Cynthia Blue [mailto:cyn@cynthiablue.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 10:25 AM To: utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: [Utah-astronomy] New Scientist Well, we got our New Scientist yesterday... and while my SO was reading it, he had to chuckle because of the Bowling Ball Article and Patrick being in it. :) I haven't read it myself, maybe tonight. ;) Some things will never die. :) Cyn http://www.cynthiablue.net http://www.animalfoster.com http://www.utahdogs.com _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy

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New Scientist
by Cynthia Blue 04 Feb '03

04 Feb '03

Well, we got our New Scientist yesterday... and while my SO was reading it, he had to chuckle because of the Bowling Ball Article and Patrick being in it. :) I haven't read it myself, maybe tonight. ;) Some things will never die. :) Cyn http://www.cynthiablue.net http://www.animalfoster.com http://www.utahdogs.com

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White flare
by Patrick Wiggins 04 Feb '03

04 Feb '03

> STS-107 > Report #19 > Saturday, February 1, 2003 - 7:00 p.m. CST > Mission Control Center, Houston, Texas > > In a briefing, Chief Flight Director Milt Heflin said that around 7:53 a.m. > CST, just minutes before communications were lost with Columbia, flight > controllers detected indications of a loss of hydraulic system temperature > measurements associated with Columbia's left wing, followed three minutes > later by an increase in temperatures on the left main gear tires and > brakes. At 7:58 a.m., flight controllers noted a loss of bondline > temperature sensor data in the area of the left wing followed a minute later > by a loss of data on tire temperatures and pressures for the left inboard > and outboard tires. It looks like the white flare several of us saw and Tom and I got pictures of corresponds with the "increase in temperatures on the left main gear tires and brakes". Patrick

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