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Re: [Utah-astronomy] Shuttle Re-entry
by RStmarie＠aol.com 18 Jan '03

18 Jan '03

Brent, I might be interested. I can't commit until I get my schedule for the month. I'll let you know. Bob St.

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RE: [Utah-astronomy] Re: Dead computer
by Kim Hyatt 18 Jan '03

18 Jan '03

Rich - I'd forgotten about the Saturn Watch tonight. I'll be there with my disks, so if you come I can give them to you then. -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Wiggins [mailto:paw@trilobyte.net] Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 2:15 PM To: utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Re: Dead computer Hi rich, Will you be at the Saturn Watch tonight? Patrick Richard Tenney wrote: > > That would be fine, you and Patrick both. > Rich > --- Kim Hyatt <khyatt(a)smithlayton.com> wrote: > > Rich - Sonds great. Perhaps I can bring the old > > floppy and a CD to the next > > SLAS meeting for you to make the copy. Would you > > mind?m _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy

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Saturn Watch
by David L Bennett 18 Jan '03

18 Jan '03

Just a quick repost for those who might have missed it... On Tuesday, January 14, 2003, at 11:05 AM, Richard Tenney wrote: Saturn Watch Saturday Saturn Watch organizer Bruce Grim has announced the next attempt at a Saturn Watch will be this coming Saturday night at the Brickyard Harmons (3200 S. 1300 E. in SLC). 8:00 to 11:00 p.m., weather permitting. Note that if this one is clouded out too, fear not. As WSU's Dr. John Sohl points out, we have several weeks of excellent Saturn viewing ahead of us. Info also posted at: http://planet.state.ut.us +++++

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RE: [Utah-astronomy] Re: Dead computer
by Kim Hyatt 18 Jan '03

18 Jan '03

Rich - Sonds great. Perhaps I can bring the old floppy and a CD to the next SLAS meeting for you to make the copy. Would you mind? -----Original Message----- From: Richard Tenney [mailto:retenney@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 6:31 PM To: utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: RE: [Utah-astronomy] Re: Dead computer Kim, My guess is no, as it sounds like Patrick is a die-hard Macintosh guy, and as far as I know they never used those drives. I have an old 5.25 drive I can loan you if need be (check your bios setup to see if your PC is old enough to still include such a drive; if so, you make it your "B" drive and that's usually all it takes). If not, I can probably find an old machine at work that I can throw it in temporarily. -Rich --- Kim Hyatt <khyatt(a)smithlayton.com> wrote: > Patrick - do I understand that you have an old > 5-1/4" floppy disk drive? I > need to copy an old CAD file (remember my homemade > planisphere?) which was > stored on a 5-1/4" disk. Can you help? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Patrick Wiggins [mailto:paw@trilobyte.net] > Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 12:46 PM > To: utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Re: Dead computer > > > Chuck's tale of woe brings to mind a thread that ran > here a few months ago > about > maintaining access to old files. Most agreed the > only way to do it is to > take > the time to convert old files to new formats so > current computers can access > them. > > So, several nights ago I thought I'd give it a try. > I had no idea how many > old > files I had. > > The set up I used to do this looks a bit odd. At > one end of the line is my > original 1984 Mac Plus (still chugging away, btw), > at the other my brand new > G4. > In between a G3 and another Mac I don't remember > the name of. > > I can only thank Steve Jobs for using software that > will run the basically > same > software on all of those machines (are you listening > Bill Gates?). > > So, after some 30+ hours of switching floppies > (remember floppies?) and ZIP > disks and I'm about done. Nearly 20 years of > journals, letters, financial > records and some stuff I have no idea why I > converted and everything is > current > and ready to be archived on CD. > > Whew! > > Patrick > > Chuck Hards wrote: > > > > Everyone, my home computer died a horrible, noisy > > death last night as the bearings on my hard-drive > > seized up. > > _______________________________________________ > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > > _______________________________________________ > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy

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RE: [Utah-astronomy] Re: Dead computer
by Kim Hyatt 18 Jan '03

18 Jan '03

Thanks, Rich. See you on the 28th. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Tenney [mailto:retenney@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 12:01 PM To: utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: RE: [Utah-astronomy] Re: Dead computer That would be fine, you and Patrick both. Rich --- Kim Hyatt <khyatt(a)smithlayton.com> wrote: > Rich - Sonds great. Perhaps I can bring the old > floppy and a CD to the next > SLAS meeting for you to make the copy. Would you > mind? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Tenney [mailto:retenney@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 6:31 PM > To: utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: RE: [Utah-astronomy] Re: Dead computer > > > Kim, > > My guess is no, as it sounds like Patrick is a > die-hard Macintosh guy, and as far as I know they > never used those drives. I have an old 5.25 drive I > can loan you if need be (check your bios setup to > see > if your PC is old enough to still include such a > drive; if so, you make it your "B" drive and that's > usually all it takes). If not, I can probably find > an > old machine at work that I can throw it in > temporarily. > > -Rich > > --- Kim Hyatt <khyatt(a)smithlayton.com> wrote: > > Patrick - do I understand that you have an old > > 5-1/4" floppy disk drive? I > > need to copy an old CAD file (remember my homemade > > planisphere?) which was > > stored on a 5-1/4" disk. Can you help? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Patrick Wiggins [mailto:paw@trilobyte.net] > > Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 12:46 PM > > To: utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > > Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Re: Dead computer > > > > > > Chuck's tale of woe brings to mind a thread that > ran > > here a few months ago > > about > > maintaining access to old files. Most agreed the > > only way to do it is to > > take > > the time to convert old files to new formats so > > current computers can access > > them. > > > > So, several nights ago I thought I'd give it a > try. > > I had no idea how many > > old > > files I had. > > > > The set up I used to do this looks a bit odd. At > > one end of the line is my > > original 1984 Mac Plus (still chugging away, btw), > > at the other my brand new > > G4. > > In between a G3 and another Mac I don't remember > > the name of. > > > > I can only thank Steve Jobs for using software > that > > will run the basically > > same > > software on all of those machines (are you > listening > > Bill Gates?). > > > > So, after some 30+ hours of switching floppies > > (remember floppies?) and ZIP > > disks and I'm about done. Nearly 20 years of > > journals, letters, financial > > records and some stuff I have no idea why I > > converted and everything is > > current > > and ready to be archived on CD. > > > > Whew! > > > > Patrick > > > > Chuck Hards wrote: > > > > > > Everyone, my home computer died a horrible, > noisy > > > death last night as the bearings on my > hard-drive > > > seized up. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > > _______________________________________________ > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy

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RE: [Utah-astronomy] Re: Dead computer
by Kim Hyatt 18 Jan '03

18 Jan '03

Patrick - do I understand that you have an old 5-1/4" floppy disk drive? I need to copy an old CAD file (remember my homemade planisphere?) which was stored on a 5-1/4" disk. Can you help? -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Wiggins [mailto:paw@trilobyte.net] Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 12:46 PM To: utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Re: Dead computer Chuck's tale of woe brings to mind a thread that ran here a few months ago about maintaining access to old files. Most agreed the only way to do it is to take the time to convert old files to new formats so current computers can access them. So, several nights ago I thought I'd give it a try. I had no idea how many old files I had. The set up I used to do this looks a bit odd. At one end of the line is my original 1984 Mac Plus (still chugging away, btw), at the other my brand new G4. In between a G3 and another Mac I don't remember the name of. I can only thank Steve Jobs for using software that will run the basically same software on all of those machines (are you listening Bill Gates?). So, after some 30+ hours of switching floppies (remember floppies?) and ZIP disks and I'm about done. Nearly 20 years of journals, letters, financial records and some stuff I have no idea why I converted and everything is current and ready to be archived on CD. Whew! Patrick Chuck Hards wrote: > > Everyone, my home computer died a horrible, noisy > death last night as the bearings on my hard-drive > seized up. _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy

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RE: [Utah-astronomy] Moon
by Kim Hyatt 17 Jan '03

17 Jan '03

Yeah - for some reason my email wasn't going out, even though I was receiving all of yours. So yes, I've been following comments regarding the ecliptic. (I hope our email glitch has now been cured.) -----Original Message----- From: David Bennett [mailto:dlbennett@mac.com] Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 2:08 PM To: utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Moon Kim, you ought to know better...we've already beat you to the nit-picky punch! On Friday, January 17, 2003, at 09:19 AM, Kim Hyatt wrote: > Not to be nit-picking, but the ecliptic is actually defined as the > apparent > path of the sun, alone against the dome of the sky. the Moon and planets > (except for Pluto) are always found within a few degrees of the > ecliptic. _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy

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RE: [Utah-astronomy] Moon
by Kim Hyatt 17 Jan '03

17 Jan '03

Not to be nit-picking, but the ecliptic is actually defined as the apparent path of the sun, alone against the dome of the sky. the Moon and planets (except for Pluto) are always found within a few degrees of the ecliptic. As I recall, the Moon "wanders" about five degrees either side of the ecliptic, otherwise we would have a solar eclipse every New Moon (and a lunar eclipse every Full Moon). However, I've been known to be wrong (I think once). -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Hards [mailto:chuckhards@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 8:55 AM To: utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Moon Joe: The moon always stays in the ecliptic, like the planets. In winter, the ecliptic is north of the equator, in summer, south. That's why summertime oppositions always find the planets low in the sky. Now, the moon traverses the entire ecliptic every month, but near full it is always opposite the sun. Look at your charts and see where on the ecliptic it happened to be sitting when you noticed it...it will be well north of the equator. I'll give you partial credit for the 'solstice' answer. Chuck --- Joe Bauman <bau(a)desnews.com> wrote: > This morning my wife noticed that the moon seemed > awfully far north when it > set. Question for the group: how often does it get > this far north? I tried > to say it had something to do with the winter > solstice, but she pointed out > the solstice was several weeks ago. So am I still > right, or is there some > other odd reason I don't understand? Thanks, Joe > > Joe Bauman > science & military reporter > Deseret News > bau(a)desnews.com > (801) 237-2169 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] Eyepiece questions : High Power Planetary
by UTAHDEB＠aol.com 16 Jan '03

16 Jan '03

Rich, Here's what Alan Dyer and Terence Dickinson had to say in their book "The Backyard Astronomers Guide". "Our other favorite high-power eyepieces include the TeleVue Radians, which are, in effect, low power eyepieces mate with a built in Barlow. We use 6mm-to-3mm Radians on fast f/6 apo refractors and f/6 Maksutov-Newtonians." "The clean, sharp images of TeleVue's Radian eyepieces combined with their generous field and comfortable eye relief at all focal lengths make high-power lunar and planetary viewing a real pleasure" Debbie

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RE: [Utah-astronomy] Shuttle Re-entry
by Kim Hyatt 16 Jan '03

16 Jan '03

Sounds like a photo-op to me! -----Original Message----- From: Brent Watson [mailto:brentjwatson@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 4:01 PM To: utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Shuttle Re-entry I'm not sure you want binos. Maybe for a few seconds, but the shuttle moves pretty quickly. It is a great naked eye sight. The train goes from horizon to horizon. The whole show lasts less than 5 minutes, and then its back home. That's why flying is better. Its only about an hour and a half flight as opposed to a 3 - 4 hour drive (one way). >From Patrick's "News", the location seems to be around Cedar City on the 1st about an hour before sunrise. These times and locations will be tweaked before entry. Brent --- hanksdc(a)plug.org wrote: > Sounds fun, so here's a few more questions: > > - I assume I'd want to bring some binos? > - When and where will be the best time/place for > seeing it? > > (Please forgive if these details have been posted > elsewhere, I managed to > miss them if they were). > > Thanks again, > > -- Dan > > On Thu, 16 Jan 2003, Brent Watson wrote: > > > Dan, > > > > It is one of the most amazing meteors you will > ever > > see. The shuttle itself is a daglo orange color, > and > > the trai, which lasts for at least one minute, is > an > > irridescent purple. It goes from horizon to > horizon. > > It is really very spectacular. About two or three > > minutes (it seems like) after the shuttle passes > > overhead, there is a muffled sonic boom. All in > all, > > a great show. > > > > Brent > > > > --- hanksdc(a)plug.org wrote: > > > Can anyone tell me what exactly one would see > when > > > the shuttle re-enters? > > > Will we see the red glow, or just the shuttle > > > gliding overhead on its > > > final approach to Edwards? > > > > > > Thanks for any info. > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 16 Jan 2003, Brent Watson wrote: > > > > > > > I am thinking of flying to Cedar City or > Milford > > > on > > > > the morning of the 1st to see the shuttle > re-enter > > > the > > > > atmoshpere and am looking for passengers. The > > > cost > > > > for the flight is $350 and can be split > between > > > three > > > > individuals. Any takers? We would be back in > > > > Bountiful by around 8am. > > > > > > > > Brent > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign > up > > > now. > > > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > > > > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > > > > > > > > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > > > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > > > > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy

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