What does that tell you in that these Police tickets which when I bought them I thought well if I wind up not being able to go I surely could easily sell them for a little extra. Well that is looking difficult these days. My guess is a few things...lots of dates meeting the demand, high starting point of the ticket prices and not a great buzz for the shows (kicked off by stew's unfortunate blog being used in press.) I cant tell you how many people I meet at parties etc and I mention the police concerts and they mention they heard the shows were so-so or not very good. Most have no idea where they hear or read it either...its weird as I havent heard that kind of buzz kill for many other bands before. The live earth performance which some saw didnt help the buzz either. David L.
I've gotten the same thing! My girlfriend said she read in the paper that the Chicago show wasn't good. Who keeps writing this stuff? Are the reviewers even at the shows? David[MiaS] On 7/25/07, David Lucky <dlucky711@yahoo.com> wrote:
What does that tell you in that these Police tickets which when I bought them I thought well if I wind up not being able to go I surely could easily sell them for a little extra. Well that is looking difficult these days. My guess is a few things...lots of dates meeting the demand, high starting point of the ticket prices and not a great buzz for the shows (kicked off by stew's unfortunate blog being used in press.) I cant tell you how many people I meet at parties etc and I mention the police concerts and they mention they heard the shows were so-so or not very good. Most have no idea where they hear or read it either...its weird as I havent heard that kind of buzz kill for many other bands before. The live earth performance which some saw didnt help the buzz either.
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There doesn;t have to be tonnes of theatrics for me. But if you watch a show, there is VERY little interaction with the crowd. They just blaze from one song into another. Even the spontaneous stuff, we now know, is not. If there was a better light show, or more dialogue between songs then I would feel a little more satisfied. But to go to two shows where Steward "seemingly" joked and ran about the stage, is disappointing. Even the non-music is rehearsed. I'm not criticizing. I've seen a musical force that has defined part of my life and personality (for others) before I die. I'm content. ~r. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.19/918 - Release Date: 25/07/2007 2:55 PM
Ditto. I would add something if I could, but this states my position pretty perfectly. I only went to one show, but the "jokes" matched descriptions of other shows perfectly. Chris On Jul 25, 2007, at 7:05 PM, Ross Viner wrote:
There doesn;t have to be tonnes of theatrics for me. But if you watch a show, there is VERY little interaction with the crowd. They just blaze from one song into another. Even the spontaneous stuff, we now know, is not. If there was a better light show, or more dialogue between songs then I would feel a little more satisfied. But to go to two shows where Steward "seemingly" joked and ran about the stage, is disappointing. Even the non-music is rehearsed. I'm not criticizing. I've seen a musical force that has defined part of my life and personality (for others) before I die. I'm content. ~r.
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I would agree with this appraisal, at least in part. I wish there were more spontaneity. The two shows I saw were different in some ways (At Dallas #1, for example, Sting was off script many times and improvised over Andy's solo in Don't Stand) but in a certain way I felt like this was the "perfect" setlist and that's probably why they don't feel free to change it up. Skipping Every Breath or So Lonely? Clearly that is not an option at these prices. What puzzles me is why Sting didn't talk to the audience more. (Although I think he did finally drop the "Andy this is Stewart" joke.) That said, however, when they got going on So Lonely or Can't Stand or whatever I was mesmerized. It sounded like The Police and not some paint-by-numbers reunion. The music definitely counts for something, and yet the review of Dallas #1 I noticed was focused on Andy being "dressed like a stockbroker" and stuff. Irrelevancies, and a lot of printed reviews have been like that. Christopher --- Ross Viner <ross@rossviner.com> wrote:
There doesn;t have to be tonnes of theatrics for me. But if you watch a show, there is VERY little interaction with the crowd. They just blaze from one song into another. Even the spontaneous stuff, we now know, is not. If there was a better light show, or more dialogue between songs then I would feel a little more satisfied. But to go to two shows where Steward "seemingly" joked and ran about the stage, is disappointing. Even the non-music is rehearsed. I'm not criticizing. I've seen a musical force that has defined part of my life and personality (for others) before I die. I'm content. ~r.
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As much as I love the police, they don't put on a show of any sort. They just play damn great songs, great. But it's not a show by any stretch IMHO.
-----Original Message----- From: police-bounces+ross=rossviner.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:police-bounces+ross=rossviner.com@mailman.xmission.com ] On Behalf Of David Lucky Sent: July 25, 2007 1:22 PM To: police@mailman.xmission.com Subject: [Police] tixs resale value not good/soft
What does that tell you in that these Police tickets which when I bought them I thought well if I wind up not being able to go I surely could easily sell them for a little extra. Well that is looking difficult these days. My guess is a few things...lots of dates meeting the demand, high starting point of the ticket prices and not a great buzz for the shows (kicked off by stew's unfortunate blog being used in press.) I cant tell you how many people I meet at parties etc and I mention the police concerts and they mention they heard the shows were so-so or not very good. Most have no idea where they hear or read it either...its weird as I havent heard that kind of buzz kill for many other bands before. The live earth performance which some saw didnt help the buzz either.
David L.
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The obvious question seems to be, "What's wrong with that" but in today's day and age is it acceptable to be just frickin' great and not put on a show? THat's why I go to shows, for sure. I rock out. I don't care what's going on at the stage. Am I in the minority? On 7/25/07, Ross Viner <ross@rossviner.com> wrote:
As much as I love the police, they don't put on a show of any sort. They just play damn great songs, great. But it's not a show by any stretch IMHO.
-----Original Message----- From: police-bounces+ross=rossviner.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:police-bounces+ross=rossviner.com@mailman.xmission.com ] On Behalf Of David Lucky Sent: July 25, 2007 1:22 PM To: police@mailman.xmission.com Subject: [Police] tixs resale value not good/soft
What does that tell you in that these Police tickets which when I bought them I thought well if I wind up not being able to go I surely could easily sell them for a little extra. Well that is looking difficult these days. My guess is a few things...lots of dates meeting the demand, high starting point of the ticket prices and not a great buzz for the shows (kicked off by stew's unfortunate blog being used in press.) I cant tell you how many people I meet at parties etc and I mention the police concerts and they mention they heard the shows were so-so or not very good. Most have no idea where they hear or read it either...its weird as I havent heard that kind of buzz kill for many other bands before. The live earth performance which some saw didnt help the buzz either.
David L.
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To weigh into the debate..... Back in 84 both in Sydney and Melbourne and no doubt the rest of the planet, The Police put on a show that consisted of three talented muso's, a couple of back up singers, a light show and a big TV. What's changed? I'll tell ya what's changed - U2 raised the bar as far as a performance show goes. We have all come to expect 30,000 dancers on stage with a singer ( Madonna, Kylie Minogue et al) and a bucket load of costume changes like Stevie Nicks ( with or without Fleetwood Mac). My son and I are going to see the Police play their music. Not some fancy show. If I wanted to see a fancy show I would have shelled out the hard earned and gone and seen Christina Augulira, who has just played in Brisbane. Cheers from down here! Mathew <AKA The_Batman> -----Original Message----- From: police-bounces+mathew=wattobay.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:police-bounces+mathew=wattobay.com@mailman.xmission.com]On Behalf Of David Sent: Thursday, 26 July 2007 7:09 AM To: Ross Viner Cc: police@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [Police] tixs resale value not good/soft The obvious question seems to be, "What's wrong with that" but in today's day and age is it acceptable to be just frickin' great and not put on a show? THat's why I go to shows, for sure. I rock out. I don't care what's going on at the stage. Am I in the minority? On 7/25/07, Ross Viner <ross@rossviner.com> wrote: As much as I love the police, they don't put on a show of any sort. They just play damn great songs, great. But it's not a show by any stretch IMHO. > -----Original Message----- > From: police-bounces+ross=rossviner.com@mailman.xmission.com > [mailto: police-bounces+ross=rossviner.com@mailman.xmission.com > ] On Behalf Of David Lucky > Sent: July 25, 2007 1:22 PM > To: police@mailman.xmission.com > Subject: [Police] tixs resale value not good/soft > > > What does that tell you in that these Police tickets which > when I bought them I thought well if I wind up not being able > to go I surely could easily sell them for a little extra. > Well that is looking difficult these days. My guess is a > few things...lots of dates meeting the demand, high starting > point of the ticket prices and not a great buzz for the shows > (kicked off by stew's unfortunate blog being used in press.) > I cant tell you how many people I meet at parties etc and I > mention the police concerts and they mention they heard the > shows were so-so or not very good. Most have no idea where > they hear or read it either...its weird as I havent heard > that kind of buzz kill for many other bands before. The live > earth performance which some saw didnt help the buzz either. > > David L. > > _______________________________________________ > Police mailing list > Police@mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/police > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.19/918 - Release > Date: 25/07/2007 2:55 PM > > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.19/918 - Release Date: 25/07/2007 2:55 PM _______________________________________________ Police mailing list Police@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/police
I have to agree with David and Ross, I go to shows for the music and I'm actually disappointed if there are a lot of theatrics in the background. IMO, the theatrics are usually there to distract from the music (in case the music isn't so good)... I think part of the problem with bad reviews is that they got some bad press from the early shows, and unfortunately that is continuing to follow them around even now. I only attended the first Chicago show and loved it, so I cannot comment on whether these early reviews were just plain wrong, or if The Police turned something around after the West Coast performances. Even on my web site, there are a lot of negative reviews from the early shows, and far more positive ones from the more recent shows, with only a handful coming in lately that are lukewarm and even fewer that are downright completely negative. I wouldn't be surprised if the early bad press is what has been keeping some of the concerts from selling out. For all the heck I had to go through when ordering my tickets online back in March, I would have been really upset to learn that better seats may have been available for a lower price in Chicago (and this might have been true, I didn't investigate). Hopefully there will be better press as the tour progresses! - Marisa http://www.stingetc.com/concerts.shtml (2007 fan concert reviews) David <dripdry@gmail.com> wrote: The obvious question seems to be, "What's wrong with that" but in today's day and age is it acceptable to be just frickin' great and not put on a show? THat's why I go to shows, for sure. I rock out. I don't care what's going on at the stage. Am I in the minority? On 7/25/07, Ross Viner <ross@rossviner.com> wrote: As much as I love the police, they don't put on a show of any sort. They just play damn great songs, great. But it's not a show by any stretch IMHO. --------------------------------- Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV.
What *is* wrong with that? I'm in that school too.
Personally I saw them in Dallas and Houston and
thought it was fantastic. In fact, I was glad *not*
to have the distractions of previous tours (dancing
background singers, saxophone sections, stupid
costumes) and to get the actual Police instead. I
think the negative reviews in the press are coming
from that place a lot of critics come from, the
"people love this stuff so I should sh** on it" school
of writing. I'm not a big fan of that.
Aside from the annoyance of the fan club tickets being
nosebleed compared to the tickets "normal" people
bought (I ended up with an extra 'fan club' set I
could not unload when I upgraded, for example) I've no
complaints. Short of actually seeing them in 1981 or
earlier, this '07 set is as good as it gets. I was a
bit surprised they didn't banter more, but not upset
about it. I've heard Sting before. :-P
Christopher
--- David <dripdry@gmail.com> wrote:
> The obvious question seems to be, "What's wrong with
> that" but in today's
> day and age is it acceptable to be just frickin'
> great and not put on a
> show? THat's why I go to shows, for sure. I rock
> out. I don't care what's
> going on at the stage.
> Am I in the minority?
>
>
> On 7/25/07, Ross Viner <ross@rossviner.com> wrote:
> >
> > As much as I love the police, they don't put on a
> show of any sort.
> > They just play damn great songs, great. But it's
> not a show by any
> > stretch IMHO.
> >
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> > > Sent: July 25, 2007 1:22 PM
> > > To: police@mailman.xmission.com
> > > Subject: [Police] tixs resale value not
> good/soft
> > >
> > >
> > > What does that tell you in that these Police
> tickets which
> > > when I bought them I thought well if I wind up
> not being able
> > > to go I surely could easily sell them for a
> little extra.
> > > Well that is looking difficult these days. My
> guess is a
> > > few things...lots of dates meeting the demand,
> high starting
> > > point of the ticket prices and not a great buzz
> for the shows
> > > (kicked off by stew's unfortunate blog being
> used in press.)
> > > I cant tell you how many people I meet at
> parties etc and I
> > > mention the police concerts and they mention
> they heard the
> > > shows were so-so or not very good. Most have no
> idea where
> > > they hear or read it either...its weird as I
> havent heard
> > > that kind of buzz kill for many other bands
> before. The live
> > > earth performance which some saw didnt help the
> buzz either.
> > >
> > > David L.
> > >
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For what it's worth--- I've had something like 4-5 extra tickets at this point I've had no problem unloading (everything from $250 floor to $55 nosebleeds) while "upgrading" for myself. Generally I've been able to resell what I didn't need within a few days/week at most, for what I paid for them. So maybe some secret lies in not trying to make a buck in the process but just getting your money back....certainly when the tickets are pricey enough to begin with... Everyone I was with in Philly thought the show was killer, from us diehards to the more casual fans in my crew. I thought the lights and screens were tastefully done without overkill and made the show what it was supposed to be about--the music. I was bitching about earlier fanclub tickets for this summer's shows, but managed to get excellent seats for the November Philly show yesterday and today through Best Buy and the Fanclub...so either better seats have been allotted or the frenzy is lessened. Either case, the guys seem to keep sounding better night after night to me, so I don't really care what the press is trying to say at this point. sockii
I hear what you're saying, but just for the record I wasn't trying to "make a buck". I was trying to unload $250 per fan club tickets in section 130 at quarter cost. :-) Cheaper and better seats were sold after the presale, was why that didn't work out for me. That's my only gripe. No regrets about upgrading, despite eating that wasted presale money. Christopher --- sockii <sockii@earthlink.net> wrote:
For what it's worth---
I've had something like 4-5 extra tickets at this point I've had no problem unloading (everything from $250 floor to $55 nosebleeds) while "upgrading" for myself. Generally I've been able to resell what I didn't need within a few days/week at most, for what I paid for them. So maybe some secret lies in not trying to make a buck in the process but just getting your money back....certainly when the tickets are pricey enough to begin with...
Everyone I was with in Philly thought the show was killer, from us diehards to the more casual fans in my crew. I thought the lights and screens were tastefully done without overkill and made the show what it was supposed to be about--the music.
I was bitching about earlier fanclub tickets for this summer's shows, but managed to get excellent seats for the November Philly show yesterday and today through Best Buy and the Fanclub...so either better seats have been allotted or the frenzy is lessened. Either case, the guys seem to keep sounding better night after night to me, so I don't really care what the press is trying to say at this point.
sockii
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