I am actually on the fence about a new album. It could be great. But then, watching the video posted here of "I Hung My Head," it could also be quite embarrassing. Sting has pretty much ruined his own reputation in most musical and critical quarters, but he hasn't done so to the reputation of The Police. Perhaps he realizes this and figures he'll leave well enough alone, at least in terms of new material. Fine with me! Chris
RE: final shows, critical reception, petitions, gifts, etc. Yep, I'm playing catch-up. Firstly, my thought on the final show is that each and every show is the final show. When The Police played their last date as a 4 piece, it was the final show. When they played the last date on the Zenyatta Mondatta tour, it was the final show. When they played at Shea Stadium, it was the final show. Every night on the 1986 Conspiracy Of Hope Tour was the final show. When they played at String's wedding, it was the final show. When they played at the RNR Hall of Fame, it was the final show. When I saw them reunited in Seattle in June, it was the final show. When (if) you see them on the final leg, it will be the final show (until you see another). If there is one thing I've learned from popular music, it's that there is *never* a forever thing (even with AC/DC) and *every* show is the final show. The setlist, despite appearances, is susceptible to change. The solos, despite the sound of the instruments, do have subtle differences from night to night. Though the idea persists that the show is the same from night to night, it isn't. Differences of venue, season, etc. will always conspire to create unique moments. Time will conspire to take the band in different directions. The career of The Police proves this. No two albums are the same. Every tour is a farewell tour. Every show is the last. I believe this to be the case with every band. Even U2. See 'em while you can. RE: String has ruined his credibility I don't think so. Despite all of the lute jokes, that album was exceptionally well made and even won an award or two. I still like Sting. He may not be singing from my stereo as much as he used to, but his music is still relevant to me and likely always will be. RE: Sting hasn't written any decent albums/songs since THE SOUL CAGES I don't think so. TEN SUMMONER'S TALES was a fine album (well written, well performed, and well recorded). As was BRAND NEW DAY. MERCURY FALLING, while perhaps not a fan favorite, is quite strong thematically. I'd argue that it's even stronger as a "concept album" than THE SOUL CAGES - but I will admit that TSC has some stronger individual songs and is much easier to listen to. RE: sign the petition for the Police to continue touring Here's the thing, they really don't owe fans *anything* (insert lower ticket price joke here). A new album, while rumored, was never promised. Same goes for a new song or two. They really don't need to keep going. Their place in music history is more than secure and so are they financially. They only owe it to themselves to keep going if A) they enjoy it and B) they can get something out of it creatively. I don't really owe any of yous anything either, but since Ross was giving gifts, here's one from me: http://youtube.com/watch?v=v_C4ztoJq-o I do enjoy watching Sting step outside of his occasionally stuffy and highbrow persona - especially when it's not by his own hand. :D Mitch
Well, in the process of watching the video that Mitch posted, quite funny btw, I noticed one of the related ones along the side and decided to watch it. A short interview, from the Synchronicity tour and Sting is asked a question close to about the 1 minute mark in the video about their success and he responds, referencing Elton John and his success and how Elton John will go forever. Then Sting adds, and this is what I find the most interesting part, "I hope we will too". Man, what the hell changed?! I just don't get how he could say something like that in an interview, and here we are, some 20 years later, having experienced the break-up and all those years of them doing their own things, wondering what the next album would have sounded like. If only he had really believed that himself I guess. Might have just been the thing to say, the thing that everybody would expect to hear from a member of one of the most successful bands..... By the way, the audio is a little off from the video, so his lips aren't synched with what he's sayin.... http://youtube.com/watch?v=_0TFjlFQ5GM Mitch Darby <mitch@harashick.com> wrote: RE: final shows, critical reception, petitions, gifts, etc. Yep, I'm playing catch-up. Firstly, my thought on the final show is that each and every show is the final show. When The Police played their last date as a 4 piece, it was the final show. When they played the last date on the Zenyatta Mondatta tour, it was the final show. When they played at Shea Stadium, it was the final show. Every night on the 1986 Conspiracy Of Hope Tour was the final show. When they played at String's wedding, it was the final show. When they played at the RNR Hall of Fame, it was the final show. When I saw them reunited in Seattle in June, it was the final show. When (if) you see them on the final leg, it will be the final show (until you see another). If there is one thing I've learned from popular music, it's that there is *never* a forever thing (even with AC/DC) and *every* show is the final show. The setlist, despite appearances, is susceptible to change. The solos, despite the sound of the instruments, do have subtle differences from night to night. Though the idea persists that the show is the same from night to night, it isn't. Differences of venue, season, etc. will always conspire to create unique moments. Time will conspire to take the band in different directions. The career of The Police proves this. No two albums are the same. Every tour is a farewell tour. Every show is the last. I believe this to be the case with every band. Even U2. See 'em while you can. RE: String has ruined his credibility I don't think so. Despite all of the lute jokes, that album was exceptionally well made and even won an award or two. I still like Sting. He may not be singing from my stereo as much as he used to, but his music is still relevant to me and likely always will be. RE: Sting hasn't written any decent albums/songs since THE SOUL CAGES I don't think so. TEN SUMMONER'S TALES was a fine album (well written, well performed, and well recorded). As was BRAND NEW DAY. MERCURY FALLING, while perhaps not a fan favorite, is quite strong thematically. I'd argue that it's even stronger as a "concept album" than THE SOUL CAGES - but I will admit that TSC has some stronger individual songs and is much easier to listen to. RE: sign the petition for the Police to continue touring Here's the thing, they really don't owe fans *anything* (insert lower ticket price joke here). A new album, while rumored, was never promised. Same goes for a new song or two. They really don't need to keep going. Their place in music history is more than secure and so are they financially. They only owe it to themselves to keep going if A) they enjoy it and B) they can get something out of it creatively. I don't really owe any of yous anything either, but since Ross was giving gifts, here's one from me: http://youtube.com/watch?v=v_C4ztoJq-o I do enjoy watching Sting step outside of his occasionally stuffy and highbrow persona - especially when it's not by his own hand. :D Mitch _______________________________________________ Police mailing list Police@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/police __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Once upon a time ('87 or '88), I watched an interview with a then long-haired Sting in which he was shown two of his past interviews. In both, he made statements that conflicted with each other by about 180 degrees. His explanation: "Changing your mind is a sign that you're thinking. Which explains why I'm so inconsistent." - mitch Steve wrote: Sting is asked a question close to about the 1 minute mark in the video about their success and he responds, referencing Elton John and his success and how Elton John will go forever. Then Sting adds, and this is what I find the most interesting part, "I hope we will too". Man, what the hell changed?!
Yeah, I seem to recall something along those lines too... Of course I wish that he hadn't been thinking quite that much or that hard.... You know, I realize that all of my wishful thinking about these guys never having broken up, let alone getting back together and, like everyone else, wishing for a new album or some kind of new material is mostly due to my bitterness that I missed ever seeing these guys back in the day. I was only a few years too young to see them before they broke up, but missed 'em nevertheless. I'm looking to try to relive it all over again, but wishing I had been old enough to have experienced them when they first hit the scene in the states.... Don't know if that makes any sense at all or not. I mean, I played saxophone in H.S. and picked up and learned to play bass guitar just 'cause of the Police. Still play to this day and just found and bought a 1980's vintage fretless Ibanez Musician bass just like Mr. Sumner's just so I could somehow try to duplicate that awesome bass sound that he came up with for some of their most famous songs... I realize that it'll never be the same even if they did record new stuff. I knew that when all this first started happening last year. As much as I wanted them to reunite, I knew that as excited as I would be to see them, I would probably be just as disappointed, if not more, about the fact that the energy they had was gone and they didn't even play half the songs like they used to. It just wasn't going to be the same. With that being said, I of course am very glad I got to finally see them after 20 years and do hope for some new material, but I don't have much hope that I will like anything nearly as much as the originals.... Heck, I didn't think Don't Stand So...'86 was anything special either. Don't post much on this board, but do enjoy everything everyone else has to say. And do certainly appreciate all the neat little clips and audio stuff people find too. I don't have that much gumption to go looking for that stuff; I'm lazy and as long as I have the box set, I'm usually pretty happy. Although, I do have way too many bootlegs on my 30 gig iPod now. I put it on shuffle, and invariably every other song is a Police song. ANYWAYS, just felt like putting in my $5 worth about all this and the speculation, etc... Though, I do really hope that they release Police Around the World on DVD 'cause that movie really kicked some major ass!!! Hell, they'res a damn pettition out to get 'em to release it, what are they waiting for?! Alright, I've said my peace. Eooooooooooo..... --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
This argument is interesting, because from my point of view, musically sepaking, Sting's solo music is in a very high level, his songs are actually used as examples of arranging, in music schools at the level of Berklee. I think that the power that comes when combing the three talents, are more than evident. But musically speaking, I think that Sting has or feels more freedom when he's doing it by his own, and I really like that. I like that he explores with bossa, jazz, with rock, with punk, with medieval, with celtic, with arabic, even with country music. (the only thing I didn't like was the over use of loops/electronics in the Kipper-era). Something that I think that he can't do with The Police. I'm a huge fan of Stewart's drumming (I consider him a great influence on me), and I also admire Andy's playing, but I still believe that Sting's talent is a bit trapped in the style of The Police. Haivng the opportunity to mis hist alent with so many others (Dominic, Chris Botti, Manu, Vinnie, etc) gives him the ooportunity to explore more, and I really like that, that's one of the things I like from Sting's solo music, that is you never know what you are going to hear in a new CD when you click "next". I really hope that he comes soon with a new solo album. Well that's just my humble opinion. javier. Probably On 07/03/2008, at 11:07 AM, Chris Ryan wrote:
I am actually on the fence about a new album. It could be great. But then, watching the video posted here of "I Hung My Head," it could also be quite embarrassing. Sting has pretty much ruined his own reputation in most musical and critical quarters, but he hasn't done so to the reputation of The Police. Perhaps he realizes this and figures he'll leave well enough alone, at least in terms of new material. Fine with me!
Chris
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yeah great response...another sting album like a hole in the head we need a Police album not another boring STing album sting needs to wake up to the challenge Javier MacÃas <javmb@iname.com> wrote: This argument is interesting, because from my point of view, musically sepaking, Sting's solo music is in a very high level, his songs are actually used as examples of arranging, in music schools at the level of Berklee. I think that the power that comes when combing the three talents, are more than evident. But musically speaking, I think that Sting has or feels more freedom when he's doing it by his own, and I really like that. I like that he explores with bossa, jazz, with rock, with punk, with medieval, with celtic, with arabic, even with country music. (the only thing I didn't like was the over use of loops/electronics in the Kipper-era). Something that I think that he can't do with The Police. I'm a huge fan of Stewart's drumming (I consider him a great influence on me), and I also admire Andy's playing, but I still believe that Sting's talent is a bit trapped in the style of The Police. Haivng the opportunity to mis hist alent with so many others (Dominic, Chris Botti, Manu, Vinnie, etc) gives him the ooportunity to explore more, and I really like that, that's one of the things I like from Sting's solo music, that is you never know what you are going to hear in a new CD when you click "next". I really hope that he comes soon with a new solo album. Well that's just my humble opinion. javier. Probably On 07/03/2008, at 11:07 AM, Chris Ryan wrote:
I am actually on the fence about a new album. It could be great. But then, watching the video posted here of "I Hung My Head," it could also be quite embarrassing. Sting has pretty much ruined his own reputation in most musical and critical quarters, but he hasn't done so to the reputation of The Police. Perhaps he realizes this and figures he'll leave well enough alone, at least in terms of new material. Fine with me!
Chris
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Well now, I agree with Javier to some degree also. I mean, Sting is one talented bastard and knows it too. I mean, I can't say that there isn't a solo album I have not liked, (although the lute one took a while and I haven't listened to it recently), but I have seen Sting in concert about 5-6 times and always enjoyed his shows. His solo work has been extremely good and really impressed me as to his versatility. But, equally impressive are the beats, tempos, lyrics, etc that he and his two cohorts came up with in the Police. I mean, U2 is great, REM, etc... but I really don't think they have a thing on the Police. Every album was different. And I'm a big U2 fan too, so don't think I'm just picking on them. Anyways, I wholeheartedly support the call for a new Police album. That would be awesome by any stretch of the imagination. Just not sure how much "solo Sting" would appear or if it would really turn out to be an album that they would all colaborate on. Who was it that talked about their constant bickering etc, as the real source of their creative power? Maybe Hugh Padgham in that one article. Anyways, I could buy into that theory for sure... But since the bickering is apparently gone, who knows. Alright, discuss. Mario <marspala@yahoo.com> wrote: yeah great response...another sting album like a hole in the head we need a Police album not another boring STing album sting needs to wake up to the challenge Javier MacÃas <javmb@iname.com> wrote: This argument is interesting, because from my point of view, musically sepaking, Sting's solo music is in a very high level, his songs are actually used as examples of arranging, in music schools at the level of Berklee. I think that the power that comes when combing the three talents, are more than evident. But musically speaking, I think that Sting has or feels more freedom when he's doing it by his own, and I really like that. I like that he explores with bossa, jazz, with rock, with punk, with medieval, with celtic, with arabic, even with country music. (the only thing I didn't like was the over use of loops/electronics in the Kipper-era). Something that I think that he can't do with The Police. I'm a huge fan of Stewart's drumming (I consider him a great influence on me), and I also admire Andy's playing, but I still believe that Sting's talent is a bit trapped in the style of The Police. Haivng the opportunity to mis hist alent with so many others (Dominic, Chris Botti, Manu, Vinnie, etc) gives him the ooportunity to explore more, and I really like that, that's one of the things I like from Sting's solo music, that is you never know what you are going to hear in a new CD when you click "next". I really hope that he comes soon with a new solo album. Well that's just my humble opinion. javier. Probably On 07/03/2008, at 11:07 AM, Chris Ryan wrote:
I am actually on the fence about a new album. It could be great. But then, watching the video posted here of "I Hung My Head," it could also be quite embarrassing. Sting has pretty much ruined his own reputation in most musical and critical quarters, but he hasn't done so to the reputation of The Police. Perhaps he realizes this and figures he'll leave well enough alone, at least in terms of new material. Fine with me!
Chris
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Ciao a tutti from Giovanni. I look forward to a New Sting album; I can only imagine what he is capable of after a Police tour. Same for Stewart and Andy. The Police are the past, sorry but The Police 'we want' is something from the past; why do you think they are not thinking about working on a new record? Simple: no great ideas probably, nothing that can push the name higher than where is now; the band did the best ever in the Eighties, did a fabulous reunion tour....what else? And why? Remember: there is always a number of fans that will be disappointed if they will or they won't release a new album or many other reasons. I simply trust their creativity and cleverness; the fact that they do not release an album is a sign that a new album won't be that interesting; if they will change their minds and will decide to do it, that means they found a good creative reason. Giovanni ----- Original Message ----- From: Mario To: Police List Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 5:02 AM Subject: Re: [Police] A few thoughts yeah great response...another sting album like a hole in the head we need a Police album not another boring STing album sting needs to wake up to the challenge Javier Macías <javmb@iname.com> wrote: This argument is interesting, because from my point of view, musically sepaking, Sting's solo music is in a very high level, his songs are actually used as examples of arranging, in music schools at the level of Berklee. I think that the power that comes when combing the three talents, are more than evident. But musically speaking, I think that Sting has or feels more freedom when he's doing it by his own, and I really like that. I like that he explores with bossa, jazz, with rock, with punk, with medieval, with celtic, with arabic, even with country music. (the only thing I didn't like was the over use of loops/electronics in the Kipper-era). Something that I think that he can't do with The Police. I'm a huge fan of Stewart's drumming (I consider him a great influence on me), and I also admire Andy's playing, but I still believe that Sting's talent is a bit trapped in the style of The Police. Haivng the opportunity to mis hist alent with so many others (Dominic, Chris Botti, Manu, Vinnie, etc) gives him the ooportunity to explore more, and I really like that, that's one of the things I like from Sting's solo music, that is you never know what you are going to hear in a new CD when you click "next". I really hope that he comes soon with a new solo album. Well that's just my humble opinion. javier. Probably On 07/03/2008, at 11:07 AM, Chris Ryan wrote: > I am actually on the fence about a new album. It could be great. But > then, watching the video posted here of "I Hung My Head," it could > also be quite embarrassing. Sting has pretty much ruined his own > reputation in most musical and critical quarters, but he hasn't done > so to the reputation of The Police. Perhaps he realizes this and > figures he'll leave well enough alone, at least in terms of new > material. Fine with me! > > > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > Police mailing list > Police@mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/police _______________________________________________ Police mailing list Police@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/police In this desert that I call my soul I always play the starring role ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Police mailing list Police@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/police __________ Informazione NOD32 2942 (20080312) __________ Questo messaggio h stato controllato dal Sistema Antivirus NOD32 http://www.nod32.it
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