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Re: Luck of the draw?
by frotri＠panafonet.gr 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

Dear all, I do actually agree as well with the point Jeremy made. The last couple of years I have had the chance to go to quite some events including Tuscany, Central park, etc. but Jer, Fred and Andrea know that I am not willing to spend all that money for trips, etc. as I have a family to support as well (albeit without kids at the moment). However, we all had a great time when meeting up in France for the start of the European BND tour. And that was something I didn't want to miss at all! The same in Rotterdam ... The point is that if you want to achieve those things you have to sacrifice things in life as well. Surely Jeremy didn't imply that other people who are not willing to do the sacrifices are less a fan, but complaining about it as a fan is useless. Either you do the (financial) efforts and you go, or you don't and you are happy for those who can. I know that after Tuscany I was delighted receiving mails from Giovanni, Fred, Jeremy, Andrea, and many others that attended it, knowing they had a great time, and knowing at the same time as well that the promo CD would be in my hand first ,-). There is some luck involved as well of course, but perseverence is the best description of all. So, you want to go to the R&RHOF? Go to e- bay and pay 2000-3000 us dollars (minimum) for a tix, they will be available soon there. Or you are not willing to pay that, well then, you await the VH1 broadcast or get a nice bootleg of it ... those are the choices and every one of them is a choice that you make. To finish this mail: let's all hope that stew, andy and sting want to cash in a lot and decide to go on tour again... then everyone will be happy. Geia! Karel (Athens, Greece) ----- Original Message ----- From: amaryll <amaryll(a)gis.net> Date: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 2:59 pm Subject: Re: [Police] Luck of the draw? > I second your thoughts Michelle. If true fandom is to be saved for > thosepeople who have a large disposable income which allows them > to travel the > world, pay mucho cash for transportation, hotels, and good seats, > and those > fans who do not have to show up at a job every day to support their > families, then we are in fact narrowing Sting's fan base down to a > smallelite group of people. I think it's very consescending to sit > back and tell > the large majority of fans that they, too, could get tickets to > the HOF show > if only they loved the band enough to miss tons of work, get > babysitters for > their kids, and amass a huge amount of debt. Not to mention, there > are only > a very small number of seats available in the first place, so even > if 100 of > us put in the time and effort you describe, we would not all be > given seats. > I don't begrudge you your persistence and good fortune in getting > to see him > so often and so close, that's great that you have the time and > money to do > this, but I do begrudge your attitude that anyone can do this, > and your > implied message that anyone who doesn't just isn't a good enough > fan to > deserve to see them . > marilyn > > > on 11/13/02 9:39 AM, Stingfan222(a)aol.com at Stingfan222(a)aol.com wrote: > > > It's a wonderful thought---always being there in hopes of > "getting in", but > > for me, reality is responsibility to my family. I know how much > effort it > > took on my part just to go to the 5 or so shows from BND, not on the > > travel/tourning part, but my family. How does one explain to 3 > little kids > > "mom's gone looney." For what? When it boils down to it, to see > a band. > > Can I pack up and go to Italy, NY, wherever just for the > "chance" of getting > > in? > > I guess I'm just frustrated because I'm feeling like (due to this > > discussion) I'm a lesser Police/Sting fan just because I haven't > made that > > "extra effort." What really defines a "Real" fan vs. a "non > real" fan? I'm > > having a hard time with this now, because I think I'm one of the > biggest one > > out there---at least in the top 100! > > > > Cheers! > > Michelle > (some snipped) _

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Re: [Police] Luck of the draw?
by Stingfan222＠aol.com 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

In a message dated 11/13/02 12:54:28 AM, discoduck(a)shaw.ca writes: I'm jealous as hell and I admit it. Ross >> I'm right there with you, Ross! Not in a bad way, but oh, to be them. Actually, the only person I envy more is Trudie! It's a wonderful thought---always being there in hopes of "getting in", but for me, reality is responsibility to my family. I know how much effort it took on my part just to go to the 5 or so shows from BND, not on the travel/tourning part, but my family. How does one explain to 3 little kids "mom's gone looney." For what? When it boils down to it, to see a band. Granted, it's a spiritual thing for me to be there, the whole event. I like getting there early, I like sitting there watching the arena fill up, the excitement and buzz in the air. It's been a 20+ year journey for one band, with highs and lows. Unfortunately, it's not an experience my husband chooses to share (nor do I really want him to!) but it's something he has footed the bill for and I feel really guilty. Can I pack up and go to Italy, NY, wherever just for the "chance" of getting in? No. I didn't even take the risk at this point in my life for the Central Park show. I just can't go home telling the husband, "No, I went there and couldn't get in, but thanks for letting me spend all that money and neglecting my kids!" My reality doesn't allow me to be a "real" fan I guess, but that's the path I chose in life. I guess I'm just frustrated because I'm feeling like (due to this discussion) I'm a lesser Police/Sting fan just because I haven't made that "extra effort." What really defines a "Real" fan vs. a "non real" fan? I'm having a hard time with this now, because I think I'm one of the biggest one out there---at least in the top 100! Cheers! Michelle

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RE: [Police] Real Police Fans
by Morris, Donald T. 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

It would be nice if the newly reformed Police decided to do a few more shows after the March ceremony, if for nothing else than to do them "for old times sake." I've never seen a Police show in person (because I wasn't a fan until 1986); and Andy's years are advancing, and in my opinion this would probably be the best time to do a few shows before they all start to look like the Rolling Stones :-). I've never been really fanatical about going to rare shows - the most "fanatical" I've ever been was purchasing tickets online at 10am on a Saturday morning when they first became available. That did get me 9th row seats, which was plenty good for me and my friends. I did pay $75 a ticket for those small theatre shows during the first part of the BND tour, but that's as much as I've ever paid. In somewhat related news - I'm a bit miffed that my other favorite Brit (Phil Collins) can't do any touring (other than promotional stuff) because of his hearing. Yet another reason that the Police should do some shows before they encounter any similar problems; although it seems that Sting's ego about the whole thing is already a problem. Don in Sunny, Cold Florida

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Re: [Police] Real Police Fans
by Anne Robinson 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

This is, without question, the most interesting dialogue that has taken place on this or any other Sting/Police related list in months and is of real interest to many of us. I, for one, would like very much for this conversation to remain on list. Anne Dogstar112(a)aol.com Sent by: To: debjgee(a)earthlink.net, police(a)mailman.xmission.com police-admin(a)mailman.x cc: mission.com Subject: Re: [Police] Real Police Fans 11/12/2002 04:51 PM In a message dated 11/12/02 10:19:29 AM Pacific Standard Time, debjgee(a)earthlink.net writes: Please don't compare the HOF to GA shows, which are STILL the fairest way for true fans to see their favorite bands up close without being among the privileged. Why not, while it is slightly different, the same rules apply. No they do not. The Central Park show (General Admission no less) was at least open to the public. HUGE difference. This is gonna get lengthy and perhaps a bit sensitive so I'll spare the group and address you privately for the rest of this discussion...

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from launch.com: The Police Will Not Reunite For Nelson Mandela Concert
by foxie 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

hey! just found this on launch.com. thank you, so much and yet again, sting. too busy to play with andy and stewart due to preparations for the follow up to your tour de force solo effort, BRAND NEW DAY, with its essential tracks "perfect love...gone wrong" and "tomorrow we'll see". i look so forward. and i also must ask this: upon whom's induction into the HOF will more importance be given? which induction will be more prone to stir excitement? who's role in music history will be held to be more essential? you as a solo artist or that band you used to be in? then again, i'm glad all this is going on: i've finally awakened from the deep sleep the BND tour put me in. i only hope he can find the time to show up at the ceremony - looks like it will be the only place to see the 3 together. (11/12/02, 5 p.m. ET) -- Reports of a Police reunion for a concert honoring former South African President Nelson Mandela are incorrect. Following last week's announcement that the Police have been named to the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, stories surfaced that the band had been asked to convene for a show in tribute to Mandela. However, LAUNCH has learned that this isn't a new request--singer-bassist Sting was contacted earlier this year regarding the prospects of reuniting for the event with guitarist Andy Summers and drummer Stewart Copeland, but at that time he told the organizers that he would be unable to play due to scheduling concerns, as he's writing and recording music for a new studio album. Adding to the coverage about the show was Copeland's tongue-in-cheek comment at a weekend press conference in Milan, Italy, that he and Summers would recruit another politically-active frontman if Sting declined--U2's Bono. Mandela spent decades in South African jails as a political prisoner for his work against the country's system of apartheid, which kept a white minority in power at the expense of the black majority's basic human rights. He was freed on February 11, 1990, and went on to become South Africa's first democratically elected leader. While there won't be a reunion for Mandela, the Police likely will take the stage on March 10 at the Rock Hall induction ceremony. Both Summers and Copeland have told LAUNCH they expect to perform at the event, and Sting released a statement saying, "I've been to one of the induction ceremonies and it was great fun, (and) I'm really looking forward to the evening." Sting's manager, Kathy Schenker, told The New York Times, "It's a definite possibility. If Sting can get out of the studio and there's time to rehearse and the equipment is right, I'm sure he'll do it." __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2

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Reunion, not more ?
by Sebastien.Renaut＠pasdecalais-habitat.fr 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

Hello all ! As predicted, the forthcoming project of The Police reunion is the main subject of the decade... for us all ! No doubt ! "We're in the same big boat" ! So, to my mind, all the actors involved in that story should organize for that event a special fan day ! We all waited for that incredible thing, so this really needs a very special behaviour for all the people around who provide us and spread around the infos for years now ! Please, .... Miles, Universal, VH-1, Sting.com, Outlandos, Stingus, Stewart, Andy, Gordon, Henry (:-)), Trudie, Raoni, President Bush, join the force to offer all the fans a gift ! We need your help to share that Police reunion ! All of them should pack together their own energy to "bring on the Light" that event for most of us who would stay otherwise in the "darkness" ! Any suggestion around to improve that idea ? Why don't they manage to make a special Police Day, featuring fan greetings, unique reunion, exclusive session + original show ? I think we ALL need it as a gift for our kind devotion over the years, wich stayed sooooooooooooooo strong !!! Keep it up ! renautadeblanc....

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Stew in Milan (review)
by James Norman 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

Hi everyone, I can't think of a better word than CRAZY to describe Stewart's gig in Milan last night. The acoustics were honestly bad: the sound coming from the orchestra was very confused, but he was perfectly audible, which in the end is what mattered most. Anyway, I was in second row, right in front of him... I know this is old news to most of you but I'd never seen him play so let me say that man is an absolute MONSTER. You don't need to be a drummer (I am, BTW) to feel that drums are his natural element. He makes funny faces and sways to the rhythm in an amazing way, as I'd never seen a drummer do before. Even if you watch him closely, sometimes you still can't believe what you hear. He showed up all dressed in white and was very communicative throughout the evening, talking to the audience in between songs (we all laughed out loud when he said "Any questions?"), introducing the musicians and his compositions. Two of the songs he played were "Eve" and "Grace", named after two of his three daughters. Though I know most of his solo stuff, I only recognized a song from Rumblefish and The Equalizer Busy Equalizing. He seems to have built the show on stuff he's never published on an album. The overall effect was crazy: you know what Stewart's music sounds like, and hearing it played live is great fun. It's a pity the gig was so short: he played not much longer than 1 hour. I hope the acoustics in Turin will be better tonight. Ciao! Michele

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HOF debate
by Josh Corwin 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

Hey everyone...While I am jealous of all hell of the guys Jer, Deb, etc....I have to agree with them. Unfortunately, I don't have the money to travel around the world with them or I assure you I would be one of the "in-crowd" as well. However, even with my limited means, here's what I have done. At the beacon theater 11/16/99, I waited in the freezing cold for hours before the show. Met Dom and took pictures with him. Met Chris after the show. Fred and I took pictures with him. At the beacon earlier, 6.25.99, I got front row tickets to Kenny Kirkland's tribute. Not because I know Kathy Schenker or Miles or anyone, but because I waited for hours and hours and went to the ticketmaster place the night before and asked them to print out tickets as soon as they went on sale. They were only accomodating because this was not a big event and there wasn't much else going on sale that day. So what happened...I sat in the front row right next to Kenny's sister. Before the show, I luckily spoke with security and they let me grab Sting when he came in and take a picture with him. And after the show...Kenny's sister (who I had been speaking to between acts for the whole show) gave me and my family passes to the reception afterwards. This was not a press freak show though. This was a small room, maybe 25x60 feet. Only about 40 people, Sting, Branford, Kenny's whole family, Don Alias (jazz great) and other friends and family were there. And for 25 minutes I was one of them. Kenny's sister introduced me to Sting, and I spent almost 15 minutes with him and one other person. I told him I was one of his biggest fans, but that I understood the importance and meaning of the night and I was only hear to remember Kenny. He said he appreciated it and we stood and talked and had a beer. I'm sure the point is made by now, but two more quick stories. At the 2000 rainforest show, I went early. These school kids had gotten passes to go to rehearsal and were leaving in droves once it was over. They were all sticking them to the walls, etc. I took one, walked through security and then took off my pass like I belonged. I met James Taylor, had soup with Macy Gray, listened to Billy Joel belt out classical music in his dressing room, and a lot more...But no Sting. After the show, I used my same "pass" and went back upstairs...This tims, I went straight into Sting's big dressing room. I stood with Sting and Stevie Wonder for a few minutes...Put my arm on Stevie and told him I loved the show. Then, I stood in a small room outside the dressing room with Jake, Sting, Jake's 2 friends, Coco ( I think....maybe not sure of them) and Miles for about 10 minutes. No one asked who I was or what I was doing. I was just there. Also met percy sledge (when a man loves a woman) July 4th, 2000 in montreal. At 8:45 in the morning, I went to get my girlfriend coffee and coincidentally ran into Chris. I think he was shocked to have to "deal" with a fan that early, but was also shocked to be recognized at a random place out of character. I spoke to him for a few minutes and he was visiting a friend in the same hotel I was staying in, so I walked with him and his friend (Rachel, I think) and talked about the show. They had taken Message out of the set for the past few weeks, and it's my favorite...I told Chris about how we met once before, and asked him to pull some Stings (pun...get it?) and play message. Chris said it was one of his favorites as well and he would try...Now sure enough, he played it. And I believe it was because of my request because the Fragile sequence already started to play and the crew on the side seemed thrown for a loop. So...here's my point. I don't know anyone. I don't have $10,000 or even $1,000 to buy tickets to the HOF. But through dumb luck and a lot of perseverence, I have had these great experiences. Would I like to say that I deserve a ticket to the HOF more than anyone? Of course, but I don't...We are all equal fans, with a few majorly obsessed and a few with some $ and a few with both... Does the money help...Certainly, it provides the ability to travel all over. But I am sure not everyone is filthy rich. The Sting touring surely came at great sacrifice for other things. As for the HOF, I am trying to work my magic again to get tickets, but I don't know what will happen. The only advantage that Jer, Deb, Fred, etc... have (well jer and deb already have tics) is that they know the band well and know some management. It seems that might not help any here though. Aside from that possible hook, we are all on the same ground here. That's my line, and I'm sticking to it. Thanks for the debate...It gave me reason to open up my memory banks and my adrenaline is juiced again from all those great times...I welcome any response to my letter...good or bad... -Josh

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Marin gets STUNG this weekend + Police Reunion confirmed!
by Stunglive＠cs.com 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

STUNG - a tribute to the POLICE - www.stunglive.com Friday, November 15th, 9pm (SHARP!) NEW GEORGE'S - 842 Fourth Street, San Rafael, CA appearing with ZOO STATION (U2 tribute) Maps, info and passes @ www.stunglive.com So much happening this month! Where to begin?! GIGS!!! STUNG celebrates the Induction of the Police into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, (and their upcoming reunion performance!) with a special tribute this Friday at NEW GEORGE'S in San Rafael. We are sharing the bill with our good pals ZOO STATION, who will be playing a great long set of U2 hits right after us! A special tribute lineup not to be missed! We last rocked together in Berkeley, it was a great show! We made them play "Bad", the long LiveAid version of it, and they just rocked it, it was awesome! In celebration of the Hall of Fame announcement (and to promote live music-going) we are offering FREE PASSES TO THE FIRST 10 RESPONSES TO THIS EMAIL FOR FRIDAY'S SHOW! So shoot back a reply with your name so you can attend this special tribute night on us! Thanks to everyone who came out to the Rain Storm party at the Pyramid Brewery in Walnut Creek with Super Diamond! I said it before, I'll say it again, Walnut Creek has become a hard rocking town! We loved rocking out in our lead singer Bee's old adolescent stomping ground! Then Super Diamond rocked the house into the night and were great as always! Thanks to all the staff at the Pyramid for a great party and great beer! POLICE REUNION NEWS!!!! POLICE fans, it is finally happening! Andy, Stewart and Sting will reunite for (at least) one night to perform three songs at the induction ceremony into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in New York on March 10th, 2003. They have also been offered to perform in South Africa at the Nelson Mandela concert "Sending Out An S.O.S." ( taken from their hit "Message In A Bottle"), but Sting has yet to agree to that performance. (Grrrr!) Stewart mentioned they actually may get Bono from U2 to play the show instead! Here is a link to an article on Rolling Stone.com: http://www.rollingstone.com/news/newsarticle.asp?nid=17030&cf=159 Until then, keep getting STUNG at a show near you, and check out our new additions to our STUNG set, as well as "all request hour" when you pick the POLICE songs we play! Oh, and don't forget about the free passes! Again, congrats to Andy, Stewart and Sting! Can't wait to see them (On VH1 most likely) in March 2003! Cheers, -STUNG www.stunglive.com

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new DVD from Brazil
by DtmrCls＠aol.com 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

have a look here http://www.dvdbrazil.com/comersus/store/comersus_viewitem.asp?idproduct=332 Dietmar

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