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Re: [Police] police reunion wont happen
by Stingfan222＠aol.com 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

In a message dated 11/15/02 9:43:54 PM, burgaus(a)juno.com writes: << If that were the case, Joe would be singing! : D >> Yes, he would, Teri!!! Looks like we both went through pretty much the same mental rollercoaster regarding the man and his persona over the past 20 years! I agree with everything you wrote. Michelle

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another reunion!
by foxie 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

hey! look at THIS. if mick and jonesy can do it... 16 NOVEMBER 2002 It had never looked like being an ordinary gig. Acton Town Hall was filled to capacity with Firefighters and their supporters. Union leader Andy Gilchrist spoke about the recent strike and explained that ever since seeing The Clash at the 1978 Rock Against Racism Carnival, had wanted to share a stage with Joe. The band took to the stage with a fantastic reception from the crowd. In a very relaxed atmosphere they treated us to a fantastic set. At the end of the set Gilchrist and a striking firefighter presented Joe with bronze firefighter statue. As the band returned for an encore a familiar figure could be seen by the side of the stage. During Bankrobber, the unimaginable happened. Mick Jones joined Joe on stage for the first time in nearly twenty years. That was followed by White Riot and a thunderously appreciated version of London's Burning. Speaking to Mick and Joe afterwards, they assured me that it had not been planned at all. Mick saying that the moment just felt right to do it. They both agreed that it had felt good to be sharing the stage again. Joe pledged his support to the striking firefighters and said that all public sector workers needed to be treated better. They make up the fabric of our society and should be entitled to a decent standard of living. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com

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Re: [Police] Stewart news
by Stingfan222＠aol.com 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

In a message dated 11/16/02 7:45:33 AM, SOMEDUDE20(a)aol.com writes: << On drums, Krieger and Manzarek asked one of rock's finest, Stewart Copeland, to join them. "Stewart said he'd always been a fan of The Doors, and that it would be an honor to play with us -- so he joined up." >> If you can't join the Police for a summer tour, why not join the Doors! : ) Michelle

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Real Police Fans
by The Police File 15 Nov '02

15 Nov '02

Hi Police Fans I must admit, it stinks that real fans can not go to see The Police next year. I too will be speaking to certain individuals in getting fan seats allocated for the event.. I will try my best.. Craig @ The Police File

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Re: [Police] police reunion wont happen
by Teri Kronberg 15 Nov '02

15 Nov '02

At the time, I didn't see miserable. I was shocked and deeply disappointed. I went through two years of shock and hope that it was a lie. In fact, Sting's first solo concert was a non-event for me. Yeah, I was happy breathing the same air, but I didn't really get into the album until a year after it came out. This was after I regretted hearing DSSCTM '86, which was when I really KNEW that it was over. It was so, it depressed me to hear it. The initial meaning of the song was lost. Then, I just felt that Sting had been immature about everything, and I just kept on thinking that even though I was very into his solo music. Now, I think it's long been time for him to grow up. I don't expect The Police to sound the same. If that were the case, Joe would be singing! :D Really, I expect the arrangements to be different and the vocals to sound different. We have all changed and evolved. It will never be like 1983 or earlier again, especially in this day and age. Sometimes, that period in time seems like a hundred years ago. And another thing, why would it be so embarrassing for Sting to play classic Police songs with The Police, when he does them on his own already--and the old fans aren't embarrassed? If that were the case, then it must be embarrassing to listen to him doing the classic police tunes solo--what would be the difference? I don't get why people always say that certain bands shouldn't reunite, because the old magic wouldn't be there. If the fans want nothing but the old sound, then there are records or CDs. You can dig up a past concert boot, no problem. However, that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about evolution. I could never understand the harm and the dread, or the anger of just playing together. It all just comes off as childishness to me, which doesn't belong in a fifty-year old man. I love him, but I must be honest. The love is tough sometimes. My 2c. Teri -- Stingfan222(a)aol.com writes: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:42:40 EST Plus, think back... Sting was MISERABLE with the Police. As great as they were together musically they (well mainly Sting and Stew) wanted to do what they wanted to do. That's why Sting continues to be a success in his niche as front man. He's selected amazing musicians, but also musicians that understand they need to do what HE wants. I think Sting has matured in that he considers these musicians' input, but he still knows what he wants in the end and gets it. That's why the concerts don't vary from city to city. I, for one, was really saddened by how miserable Sting was back in the early 80's. It not only showed onstage, but in interviews. As much as I loved the Police, I didn't like him very much as a public personality (and he was my be all, end all until that attitude started coming through). I was angry when the Police disbanded, angry at him because I felt it was his fault, and I refused to listen to his solo work (for at least a month anyway) It's hard to stay away from loving Sting's music. I fear for a full scale reunion/tour. I think the HoF is great and a great reason to be miserable for 3 songs, but I don't want to see any of them go through what they had before. I don't want to see Sting's family suffering if he reverts back to Mr. Grumpy again. I'd do anything in my power to see that show just because I want to relive those feelings of seeing them back in the 80's as they're the one band that I've stuck with from the beginning. I just don't want misery! This is just my opinion on how they felt back then, because when it all boils down to it, I'm just a fan observing from the public over the past 23 years. Michelle ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

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re: fans--that means you!
by Balin Family 15 Nov '02

15 Nov '02

Well, I feel fortunate that Jer and Deb will be there to represent _all_ of us fans, whatever our relative degree of fandom (hey, my friends think I'm insane for flying to and from Houston from California in a 24 hour turnaround for front row seats, and getting in the car with three strangers--who, btw, are no longer strangers but friends--to drive to Vegas for the MGM Grand show immediately after a show in Irvine--without clothes or even a toothbrush! Not to mention picking up a list member from LAX without ever meeting him. My friends freaked, but it was only Ross!!! And I have a husband, three kids, and no job. Just so you know.). Please, let's be thankful we'll have friends, who are friends virtually by being fellow Police/Sting lovers, who will be there to listen in our stead. I think the real question is this: will there be a crisp, clear digital recording of the performance available to us afterwards on the web from Fred? ;-) Love, Peace, and Sting, Jen "...nothing comes from violence, and nothing ever could."

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Re: Picking up on a few points
by Angeline Adams 15 Nov '02

15 Nov '02

Hi all, Dietmar asked about press reactions - I always get the UK paper,the Daily Mail,and they often have news items about music,but to my surprise they haven't picked up on the Hall of Fame story at all.I did see an item about The Police playing the HoF ceremony on RollingStone.com,so would assume that they'll have something about it in their next issue.This will be a great story for all the music mags,so I think it'd be worth our looking through them for HoF-related articles this month. An interesting point was mentioned - the fact that Sting doesn't want to do the Mandela concert because he'll be busy preparing for his new tour and album.Today I got the official fanclub's magazine in the post,and Tina's column mentioned that the new album was expected to be out around September/October 2003.Previously any mention of the album I've seen on the web has been accompanied by the (admittedly rough) date of "Spring 2003",with a single out in February or March.Just out of curiosity,when is the Mandela concert happening?I'm wondering if this apparant change of release time for the album would change things with that? Or perhaps they decided against releasing the album in the Spring because of possible comparisons between that and his Police music/days,given that Spring is when the HoF induction is happening?Or,and I don't think it's likely,but want to throw it in anyway,could it be that the album being released later in the year would give him more of a chance to do a couple of other concerts with Stewart and Andy? As to the debate about the practicalities of going to concerts and special events,I'd agree that wanting it enough won't always get you the chance;circumstances do intervene which are beyond our control,be it health,family commitments,last-minute things stopping us travelling to try and get into shows.But I'm glad that some people on the list are getting there,and to other special shows like this;at least we can have their reviews and gossip of the night then,and the VH1 showing of it later... All the best, Angeline >From: police-request(a)mailman.xmission.com >Reply-To: police(a)mailman.xmission.com >To: police(a)mailman.xmission.com >Subject: Police digest, Vol 1 #358 - 3 msgs >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 06:26:57 -0700 > >Send Police mailing list submissions to > police(a)mailman.xmission.com > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/police >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > police-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > >You can reach the person managing the list at > police-admin(a)mailman.xmission.com > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Police digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: press reactions? (Deborah Gee) > 2. Re: Real Fan (foxie) > 3. police reunion wont happen (Paulwilk69(a)aol.com) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 01:46:46 -0600 (CST) >From: Deborah Gee <debjgee(a)earthlink.net> >Reply-To: debjgee(a)earthlink.net >To: DtmrCls(a)aol.com, police(a)mailman.xmission.com >Subject: Re: [Police] press reactions? > >------=_Part_514_6427703.1037353652188 >Content-Type: multipart/ALTERNATIVE; > boundary="----=_Part_515_1916456.1037353652188" > >------=_Part_515_1916456.1037353652188 >Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > ><P>I don't know if ticket demand is anything to go by, but according to the >HOF, most of the ticket demand has been coming from AC/DC fans, with a >fairly even spread for the rest of the inductees. On London radio, there >was a mention of the ceremony and the induction of Elvis Costello, but no >mention of the police. Very surprised by this.</P> ><P>Jeremy<BR><BR>-------Original Message-------<BR>From: >DtmrCls(a)aol.com<BR>Sent: 11/14/02 11:25 PM<BR>To: >police(a)mailman.xmission.com<BR>Subject: [Police] press >reactions?<BR><BR></P> ><BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 6px; MARGIN-LEFT: 6px; BORDER-LEFT: >#6666ff 1px solid"> ><TABLE cellPadding=0 width="100%" bgColor=#ffffff> ><TBODY> ><TR> ><TD><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=2 face=Arial size=2 >family="SANSSERIF">As I couldn't find any reaction to THE POLICE's reunion >in the German press I would like to ask how the press reaction is in the >U.S. and UK... I'm very much interested in getting some articles about this >topic. A scan or copy will do. Any help?<BR><BR>Dietmar</FONT> ></FONT></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></BLOCKQUOTE> >------=_Part_515_1916456.1037353652188 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >I don't know if ticket demand is anything to go by, but according to the >HOF, most of the ticket demand has been coming from AC/DC fans, with a >fairly even spread for the rest of the inductees. On London radio, there >was a mention of the ceremony and the induction of Elvis Costello, but no >mention of the police. Very surprised by this. >Jeremy-------Original Message-------From: DtmrCls(a)aol.comSent: 11/14/02 >11:25 PMTo: police(a)mailman.xmission.comSubject: [Police] press reactions? > > > > >As I couldn't find any reaction to THE POLICE's reunion in the German press >I would like to ask how the press reaction is in the U.S. and UK... I'm >very much interested in getting some articles about this topic. A scan or >copy will do. Any help?Dietmar >------=_Part_515_1916456.1037353652188-- > >------=_Part_514_6427703.1037353652188-- > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 2 >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 04:40:10 -0800 (PST) >From: foxie <forfoxie(a)yahoo.com> >Subject: Re: [Police] Real Fan >To: police(a)mailman.xmission.com > >lest we forget: > >we = want a reunion >andy = want a reunion >stewart = want a reunion >sting = working on sequel to the landmark Brand New >Day > >rich >--- amaryll <amaryll(a)gis.net> wrote: > > Jeremy, I don't think anyone here begrudges your > > hard work and good luck in > > getting good seats and great encounters at so many > > events. I, for one, think > > its great and love to hear everyone's close > > encounter stories, and their > > experiences in getting good seats and getting to out > > of the way shows. I > > have even made my own luck and had a few wonderful > > Sting encounters myself. > > But, I think the issue here is that you seem to be > > pretty cavalier about > > saying that anyone can accomplish this if they want > > it enough.You said, " > > It just comes down to dedication, if you really want > > to be there, you will > > find a way of being there......if you want it bad > > enough, and are > > resourceful, then there is always a way to get to > > these things. It is not > > luck it is just hard work, sometimes it is cash, > > sometimes it means > > sleeping in Central park overnight to get the front > > row." > > I daresay most of us probably work at jobs where > > you are expected to be > > there 5 days a week, 8 hrs a day, and get 2 or 3 > > weeks off a year, which you > > have to request and get approved ahead of time. Is > > this the kind of job you > > have? Do you call in sick for a couple of days > > everytime a Sting show comes > > up? > > Airfare is quite expensive, especially if you are > > booking it on short > > notice, and if you are taking so much time off from > > work, calling in sick or > > whatever, you probably have even less money to pay > > the high price of > > airfare. How do you manage that aspect ? > > A lot of us have kids. I guess you probably don't. I > > would love to follow > > Sting around, go to multiple shows, get to know > > everyone , and be privy to > > inside info and good seats, but that would mean in > > addition to taking so > > much time off from my job that I would end up being > > fired, and spending > > exhorbitant money on short notice airfares, and > > spending the extra cash to > > ensure good seats, not to mention hotels, etc, I > > would have to find someone > > to stay with my kids while I was away. > > I think it's a little insulting and disingenuous to > > say "if you really want > > to be there you will find a way". I DO really want > > to be there. Maybe you > > can help me find a way? > > marilyn > > > > > > > > > > on 11/14/02 6:22 PM, Deborah Gee at > > debjgee(a)earthlink.net wrote: > > > > > Folks, I think it is really sad that some of you > > have taken the stance you > > > have on this. The first posting started with a > > message saying "No real fans > > > will see the gig", or something to that effect, so > > I replied with, well I > > > consider myself a real fan, and I am getting to > > go. > > > > > > I then posted a little session of how we manage to > > acheive some of the things > > > we do, and rather than inspiring some of you, most > > of you decided to get > > > pissed about it. > > > > > > I am willing to bet come time of the concert, that > > about 10-20 of us will get > > > in to this show, and it wont involve loads of > > money, it wont involve knowing > > > band members, it will just happen. > > > > > > You guys don't seem to understand this, Fred, > > Andrea, Giovanni, Lydia, Jutta, > > > Me, Debs, Ross, Margie, Maggie, plus a whole host > > of others that go to these > > > shows, none of us have high paying jobs (sorry > > guys...), all of us have > > > commitments, jobs, rents to pay. > > > > > > I have spent about 3 hours a day since I got > > tickets for Deb and I trying to > > > get more tickets for others. When Central park > > happened, Fred ran around like > > > a lunatic trying to get more for many of you. > > Together Fred and I ran around > > > like fools trying to get everyone tickets for > > Tuscany never mind the countless > > > others, this is not exclusive, we all want to > > help, yet many of you take > > > offense... > > > > > > I believe I have said this before, if you work all > > the time, and you don't > > > manage to do the special things like going to > > shows etc, what is the point to > > > working ? I work about 50 hours a week, and I > > would be seriously pissed off if > > > after all that work, I couldnt do the things that > > I want to do. > > > > > > For those I seem to have offended, I apologize > > > > > > Jeremy > > > > > > > > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > From: Ross Viner <discoduck(a)shaw.ca> > > > Sent: 11/13/02 10:32 PM > > > To: police(a)mailman.xmission.com > > > Subject: RE: [Police] Real Fan > > > > > >> What? who said that? I've been reading all the > > e-mails (or so I thought). > > > Who wrote only true fans will go to the HOF? I > > think there must be a > > > misunderstanding somewhere as no here would > > suggest that (at least I find > > > that hard to believe). > > > > > > I mean read the note that I thought it referred > > to, backwards, forwards, > > > sideways' and inside out and nowhere does he even > > suggest that only real > > > fans go to these things so obviously I'm missing > > something. Or is someone > > > putting words in someone else's mouth because of > > Jealousy? > > > > > > Can someone forward me the note in question? > > > > > > Ross > > > > > > **-----Original Message----- > > > **From: police-admin(a)mailman.xmission.com > > > **[mailto:police-admin@mailman.xmission.com]On > > Behalf Of Mike Hunt > > > **Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:28 AM > > > **To: police(a)mailman.xmission.com > > > **Subject: [Police] Real Fan > > > ** > > > ** > > > **good for you Jane and bad for that stupid idiot > > who > > > **said that only true fans will go to the HOF. Who > > the > > > **hell does he think he is passing judgement on > > others? > > > **IF you have money to waste on frivilous import > > albums > > > **you are an idiot. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Police mailing list > > > Police(a)mailman.xmission.com > > > > > >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/police > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Police mailing list > > > Police(a)mailman.xmission.com > > > > > >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/police > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Police mailing list > > Police(a)mailman.xmission.com > > >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/police > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site >http://webhosting.yahoo.com > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 3 >From: Paulwilk69(a)aol.com >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 08:16:16 EST >To: police(a)mailman.xmission.com >Subject: [Police] police reunion wont happen > >I was a police fan from 1978 onwards untill sting decided he wanted to go >off at playing solo!. >But the fact is that this man has been living off the "legend"of the police >since he left the band. >Why would he want to reform ,when he already plays police hits all the time >and he relies on former police fans to keep his bank balance healthy. >you have got to admit his solo work isn't a patch on police material (my >opinion) >that mans ego split up a band that still had one good album in them at >least,but because people still buy his solo stuff ,he has no reason to >reform >the police . >the equation is simple ego=solo stuff /no solo stuff = police reunion > > >this is only my opinion,so if you feel like you need to abuse me for them >dont bother because the delete is within my reach >"the police have left the building" >end > > > >--__--__-- > >_______________________________________________ >Police mailing list >Police(a)mailman.xmission.com >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/police > > >End of Police Digest _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. 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Re: RE: [Police] police reunion wont happen
by Stingfan222＠aol.com 15 Nov '02

15 Nov '02

In a message dated 11/15/02 8:37:53 AM, jason(a)digital-solutions.co.uk writes: << He's an established artist in his own right, and while he may certainly be raking in plenty of royalties from the Police hits, you're forgetting who wrote most of them. >> Plus, think back... Sting was MISERABLE with the Police. As great as they were together musically they (well mainly Sting and Stew) wanted to do what they wanted to do. That's why Sting continues to be a success in his niche as front man. He's selected amazing musicians, but also musicians that understand they need to do what HE wants. I think Sting has matured in that he considers these musicians' input, but he still knows what he wants in the end and gets it. That's why the concerts don't vary from city to city. Stewart has found his niche as well. With his energy and drive, he's able to pull out full scores for soundtracks and is well respected within the movie/music industry for his contribution. The ego is there, but it's different from Sting's. I think the two egos just don't work together. I, for one, was really saddened by how miserable Sting was back in the early 80's. It not only showed onstage, but in interviews. As much as I loved the Police, I didn't like him very much as a public personality (and he was my be all, end all until that attitude started coming through). I was angry when the Police disbanded, angry at him because I felt it was his fault, and I refused to listen to his solo work (for at least a month anyway) It's hard to stay away from loving Sting's music. I fear for a full scale reunion/tour. I think the HoF is great and a great reason to be miserable for 3 songs, but I don't want to see any of them go through what they had before. I don't want to see Sting's family suffering if he reverts back to Mr. Grumpy again. I'd do anything in my power to see that show just because I want to relive those feelings of seeing them back in the 80's as they're the one band that I've stuck with from the beginning. I just don't want misery! This is just my opinion on how they felt back then, because when it all boils down to it, I'm just a fan observing from the public over the past 23 years. I've been regretting hitting that send button for the past few days as my feelings are really strong these days, but here goes.... Michelle

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Stewart interview
by David Lucky 15 Nov '02

15 Nov '02

Relating to the new Police material discussion - a few weeks back Stewart did a web chat on USA Today and I asked him this question: USA TODAY Web Chat Transcript: Newark, NJ: Any plans to release more of your archived Police rarities or live stuff? Us fans would love it. Stewart Copeland: I've done a bunch of tracks - lobotomies on Police material - in which I've taken live performances and studio vocals and mixed them up, sometimes with the wrong vocals on the wrong backing track. They're called "derangements". Keep an eye on them on future Police re-releases. Sounds you all have heard of these and they in the works. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com

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Re: [Police] News from Santa Claus (via Japan)
by frotri＠panafonet.gr 15 Nov '02

15 Nov '02

hello werner, that dvd is to be released as "Rock Masters The Police" by the BBC and will be available beginning 2003 ... we have put some info about this item on www.stingus.net. Groetjes, Cheers, Karel StingUs-team www.StingUs.net Weekly newsletter: Sting-Newsletter-subscribe(a)yahoogroups.com ----- Original Message ----- From: werner.burkhart(a)web.de Date: Friday, November 15, 2002 3:23 pm Subject: [Police] News from Santa Claus (via Japan) > Hi all, > > there are some very nice new releases coming from Japan: > > Artist: THE POLICE > Title: THE POLICE LIVE'79 AT HATFIELD POLYTECHNIC (DVD) > Release Date: December 21 > Catalog Number: VPBR-11523 > > Artist: Andy Summers & Robert Fripp > Title: I Advance Masked [Initial pressing 5000 copies only] (CDA) > Release Date: December 25 > Catalog Number: UICY-9240 > Comments: Limited edition in cardboard sleeve. > > Artist: Andy Summers & Robert Fripp > Title: Bewitched [Initial pressing 5000 copies only] (CDA) > Release Date: December 25 > Catalog Number: UICY-9241 > Comments: Limited edition in cardboard sleeve. > > Anyone knows whether the Police DVD will be released in other > markets as > well? > > Cheers, > > Werner > > > > _______________________________________________ > Police mailing list > Police(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/police > _

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