After reading the discussion about mp3 and gaps and such, I am wondering why people on this list haven't started switching over to Ogg files?? Better quality, intelligent file format and free (no patents, licenses, or cost). I've been using it to encode all my music. Using a quality setting of 4.99 I get files that are usually around 130 kbs and sound better than my LAME encoded 192 kb mp3s. I'm sure people have heard of this format by now. If not http://www.vorbis.com/ -jeremy
Only problem with Ogg is that I can't play them in my car mp3 player or my mp3 discman :( Hopefully that will change in the future! :) I'm going to have to try ogg for these live mixes to see if it suffers from the same gap problem the mp3's do.. lance ----- Original Message ----- From: <mlist-orb@theory.org> To: <orb@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: July 29, 2002 1:57 PM Subject: [Orb] Ogg Vorbis
After reading the discussion about mp3 and gaps and such, I am wondering why people on this list haven't started switching over to Ogg files??
Better quality, intelligent file format and free (no patents, licenses, or cost). I've been using it to encode all my music. Using a quality setting of 4.99 I get files that are usually around 130 kbs and sound better than my LAME encoded 192 kb mp3s.
I'm sure people have heard of this format by now. If not http://www.vorbis.com/
-jeremy
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I got RazorLame and I am using it. So far, it works really good. I also use Audioactive Production Studio Pro. It also works well for Encoding and Decoding wavs to Mp3 and MP3 to wavs. RMStringer _________________________________________________ "Know what I'm talkin about, Jealousy, and Fidelity, Envy Cheating, Beating, and to the G's they be the same thing So who you placin the blame on, You keep on singin the same song Let bygones be bygones, you can Go on and get the hell on You and your mama ...." "Im sorry Ms Jackson" - Outkast -----Original Message----- From: orb-admin@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:orb-admin@mailman.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Lance Titchkosky Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 3:00 PM To: orb@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [Orb] Ogg Vorbis Only problem with Ogg is that I can't play them in my car mp3 player or my mp3 discman :( Hopefully that will change in the future! :) I'm going to have to try ogg for these live mixes to see if it suffers from the same gap problem the mp3's do.. lance ----- Original Message ----- From: <mlist-orb@theory.org> To: <orb@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: July 29, 2002 1:57 PM Subject: [Orb] Ogg Vorbis
After reading the discussion about mp3 and gaps and such, I am wondering why people on this list haven't started switching over to Ogg files??
Better quality, intelligent file format and free (no patents, licenses, or cost). I've been using it to encode all my music. Using a quality setting of 4.99 I get files that are usually around 130 kbs and sound better than my LAME encoded 192 kb mp3s.
I'm sure people have heard of this format by now. If not http://www.vorbis.com/
-jeremy
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At 12:57 PM 7/29/02 -0700, you wrote:
After reading the discussion about mp3 and gaps and such, I am wondering why people on this list haven't started switching over to Ogg files??
I'm using Monkey's Audio myself. Lossless and usually pretty damn squashy! Kwook www.kwookyworld.com The kwinkunx is being pressed and is therefore quite imminent indeed.
im probably in another world on this one..but i cant help but type ! apologies(but hay maybe it will help someone) sounds like the program you use hears a gap between the track arrangment you create and places a default gap of silence when encoding! cant you trick it ?, by placing in-between your tracks a single frequency that is inaudible to you but not to the program so it wont place the default gap!(say 20hz) (you'd probably have to crosssfade this single frequency from track to track so there are no joins!) you also need a dam fine parametric eq to make the single frequency or bounce your track arrangement to another stereo track(so there are no cuts) leaving on whole track and place your markers for track numbers! blah blah blah ...... ON A ORB NOTE: live 93' (best album in my opinion) was there ever a video made????? they always have cameras at big events! john
john bennett wrote:
sounds like the program you use hears a gap between the track arrangment you create and places a default gap of silence when encoding!
nope.. (afaik) from: http://users.belgacom.net/gc247244/livemix.htm <quote> Once you get the hang of working with mp3's, there is a point where you want to want to burn a copy of an mp3-album to a normal music cd. All will be ok, as long as the album is no live or mixed recording. In the latter case, no matter how hard you try, you will not succeed in making a seamless copy of the album on audio-cd. .... If you rip and encode in the conventional way there will always (as in 100%, for once on this site) be clicks and pauses between separate tracks on your burned cd. </quote>
Since I have a music studio and have dealt with this quite a few times I thought I would let you guys know how I've gotten around this issue. Bascially, I run Sonic Foundry's superb application Sound Forge which allows you to open any kinda of sound file (mp3's included). Once the mp3 is open you can zoom in to the end of the track or the strat of the track and find where the flatline starts, hightlight it, and then delete it. Now save the file and no more annoying pops or silences. Just do this for all the files and then burn it in your favorite audio burning software (I use Exact Audio Copy (EAC)) and burn disc at once, not track at once. I am pretty sure that sound forge offers a full working demo of the program if you dont want to pay a few hunder dollars for it. As well, I have been able to find cracks for Sonic Foundry products on the web too. You might also want to check out Cool Edit as that is another sound app that would allow you to do the same thing. thanks. c32 On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, Chromatest J. Pantsmaker wrote:
john bennett wrote:
sounds like the program you use hears a gap between the track arrangment you create and places a default gap of silence when encoding!
nope.. (afaik) from: http://users.belgacom.net/gc247244/livemix.htm
<quote> Once you get the hang of working with mp3's, there is a point where you want to want to burn a copy of an mp3-album to a normal music cd. All will be ok, as long as the album is no live or mixed recording.
In the latter case, no matter how hard you try, you will not succeed in making a seamless copy of the album on audio-cd. .... If you rip and encode in the conventional way there will always (as in 100%, for once on this site) be clicks and pauses between separate tracks on your burned cd. </quote>
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Yup, this is what I've been doing as I mentioned earlier. Sound Forge is a great program for sound editing. Its the Photoshop of the audio world :) After editing the tracks (or pulling out the tracks from a large continuous mix) I burn them with Nero.. lance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colonel 32" <colonel32@plinko.com> To: <orb@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: July 30, 2002 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [Orb] gaps in tracks(+live 93 Q)
Since I have a music studio and have dealt with this quite a few times I thought I would let you guys know how I've gotten around this issue.
Bascially, I run Sonic Foundry's superb application Sound Forge which allows you to open any kinda of sound file (mp3's included). Once the mp3 is open you can zoom in to the end of the track or the strat of the track and find where the flatline starts, hightlight it, and then delete it. Now save the file and no more annoying pops or silences. Just do this for all the files and then burn it in your favorite audio burning software (I use Exact Audio Copy (EAC)) and burn disc at once, not track at once.
I am pretty sure that sound forge offers a full working demo of the program if you dont want to pay a few hunder dollars for it. As well, I have been able to find cracks for Sonic Foundry products on the web too. You might also want to check out Cool Edit as that is another sound app that would allow you to do the same thing.
thanks. c32
On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, Chromatest J. Pantsmaker wrote:
john bennett wrote:
sounds like the program you use hears a gap between the track arrangment you create and places a default gap of silence when encoding!
nope.. (afaik) from: http://users.belgacom.net/gc247244/livemix.htm
<quote> Once you get the hang of working with mp3's, there is a point where you want to want to burn a copy of an mp3-album to a normal music cd. All will be ok, as long as the album is no live or mixed recording.
In the latter case, no matter how hard you try, you will not succeed in making a seamless copy of the album on audio-cd. .... If you rip and encode in the conventional way there will always (as in 100%, for once on this site) be clicks and pauses between separate tracks on your burned cd. </quote>
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You can burn in Disk at Once mode. You can also use x-fade that some burner progs offer.....Just a thought. RMStringer _________________________________________________ "Know what I'm talkin about, Jealousy, and Fidelity, Envy Cheating, Beating, and to the G's they be the same thing So who you placin the blame on, You keep on singin the same song Let bygones be bygones, you can Go on and get the hell on You and your mama ...." "Im sorry Ms Jackson" - Outkast -----Original Message----- From: orb-admin@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:orb-admin@mailman.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Chromatest J. Pantsmaker Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 2:34 PM To: orb@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [Orb] gaps in tracks(+live 93 Q) john bennett wrote:
sounds like the program you use hears a gap between the track arrangment you create and places a default gap of silence when encoding!
nope.. (afaik) from: http://users.belgacom.net/gc247244/livemix.htm <quote> Once you get the hang of working with mp3's, there is a point where you want to want to burn a copy of an mp3-album to a normal music cd. All will be ok, as long as the album is no live or mixed recording. In the latter case, no matter how hard you try, you will not succeed in making a seamless copy of the album on audio-cd. .... If you rip and encode in the conventional way there will always (as in 100%, for once on this site) be clicks and pauses between separate tracks on your burned cd. </quote> _______________________________________________ Orb mailing list Orb@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/orb
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