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theorb.com
by Dave Evans 06 Mar '03

06 Mar '03

according to alex the new album has been sent to japan for mastering and will be released on the v2 label soon! for a taste of the new album listen to the teatime session from the 16th january ,about 1 hour and 12 minutes in he plays a track called ABSTRACTIONS!!!!!!!! sounds good to me!

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theorb.com
by Mr.S Shoom 05 Mar '03

05 Mar '03

Hi All anyone now what is happing to orb.com ? when the new site going to be opened. and when is he new ablum coming out too thanks Shoom orb4life :] http://www.theorb.com/ _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger - fast, easy and FREE! http://messenger.msn.co.uk

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those junk Orb discs from boston
by Dgowc1st＠aol.com 05 Mar '03

05 Mar '03

hi all; sorry to be posting to the group, as this is really meant just for a few people, but i lost all my emails along with a ton of other schwag when i swapped computers, and therefore have no way to contact those people directly. a while ago i made an offer for the orb show that i recorded in boston, and sent out a bunch of discs to a bunch of people. Unfortunately, for some reason, while the discs burned and all looked fine, the burned with the accurate timimg of the discs except they were void of any content. sound familiar to you? if you are one of the people who sent me any discs, or if sent discs to you, please contact me asap. i have all the replacement discs burned, verified as good, and ready to go. If you did not get in on this offer previously, please refrain for the moment of asking after it, as i NEED to make sure i have straightened out my mistake with everyone that was affected foremost. the offers for this show ought to be coming soon, as well as i will vine /weed it out as well, but again, that will be AFTER i have cleared thjis ongoing nightmare. thanks for the bandwidth, sorry for the intrusion, and most importantly, if you've been waiting on me, i'm sorry about the problem. PLEASE contact me asap so i can make this right for you, and in turn, for my own peace of mind. mike ahern

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RE: [Orb] OT for the most part: death to major labels
by Levering, Steve 04 Mar '03

04 Mar '03

I think it's absolutely amazing how the record industry keeps ignoring other possible factors for the declining sales: 1. The US is in the midst of a severe economic downturn. 2. We're getting to the point where a new DVD is often cheaper than a new CD. When faced with a cheaper price for 3-4 hours of video/audio over a more expensive product with an hour of audio, which is the consumer going to choose? Duh. 3. The US recording industry basically got greedy and stopped putting out so many CD singles in the hopes that consumers would buy the whole CD. They didn't buy the full-length, they just started downloading the songs they wanted. 4. Not to mention so much crappy music on the market today, combined with completely inadequate promotion for the few worthy releases. 5. Treating their customers as criminals through copy-protection schemes that work poorly, if at all. Hey, I've got an idea... Let's alienate the paying customers we have left! Grrrr... -----Original Message----- From: Alan [mailto:alanevil@bellsouth.net] Sent: Mon 3/3/2003 10:08 PM To: orb(a)mailman.xmission.com Cc: Subject: [Orb] OT for the most part: death to major labels To give you an idea of what we're (music fans in general) up against there follows an of e-mail and the reply to it from the "Readings" section of the latest (March 2003) Harper's Magazine: " >From an October email exchange between Holger Turck and EMI Music in Germany. Translated from the German by Ben Ewing. Dear Sir or Madam, Yesterday I purchased the copy-protcted TOTO CD "Through the Looking Glass." The reverse side reads: "It is designed to be compatible with CD audioplayers, DVD players and PC-OS, MS Windows 95, Pentium II 233 MHz 64 MB RAM or higher." This statement is definately false. - In reality, only tracks 1-8 are playable in my DVD player. I don't own an ordinary CD player anymore, making this CD worthless. - In reality, my Macintosh plays only tracks 1-7. Result: the CD is worthless. - In reality, my PC would play the CD only if I were to use the software found on the CD itself. I am very careful when selecting the software that I install on my computer, and I refuse to be coerced into using proprietary software. As a result, this CD is worthless. This is all the more regrettable, as I am a dedicated fan of the group TOTO and own -- among other items -- all of their albums. It's a pity that YOU have prevented me from being able to add their most recent work to my collection. You altogether ignore the simple fact that every purchaser is -- by law -- allowed to make a copy of his purchased CD. Your behavior is altogether illegal. As a result, I will not purchase another CD that is outfitted with copy-protection from your firm or from any other. How do you plan to win me back as a customer in the future? Sincerely, Holger Turck Dear Mr. Turck, We will spare ourselves the trouble of addressing those observations in your email wich are obviously uninformed. Simply realize: more than 250 million blank, recordable discs and tapes were sold and used this year, in comparison to 213 million prerecorded albums. Even without formal study in economics, it should be clear to anyone reading this that the music industry cannot continue to exist if the trend holds. The widespread copying of prerecorded audio material via the burning of CD-Rs can only be countered one way: namely, copy protection. We fear, however, that all these facts will not interest you in the slightest, as these measures will herald the end of free music, which surely won't please you at all. Should you legitimately have a playback problem with the CD that you complained about, we would ask that you specify the exact CD player model for us. The scenario you put forth -- multiple players failing to play the CD -- can only be the stuff of fairy tales, given our experiences. In the event that you plan to protest future releases of copy-protected CDs, we can assure you that it is only a matter of months until more or less every CD released worldwide will include copy protection. To that end, we will do everything in our power, whether you like it or not. Sincerely, Your EMI Team " How about that?!? I have well over 2000 cds in my collection and over 1000 lps. I refuse to purchase anything else from these arrogant bastards. I don't know about you guys but I run through a lot of CD-Rs every month and I NEVER copy cds. I use them to back-up data and to save my own projects. Fuck the major labels. Even if I did want to burn a copy of an album, would the person I gave it to buy it otherwise? NO. Just because they can't figure out the difference between shit and good music is no reason to force unusable music on the their customers. Serves them right for foisting has been dinosaurs and airhead bimbos on the buying public instead of talent. They have noone to blame but themselves. I hate to say it but the USA is probably the place where sales are declining the quickest. I would credit it this to the piss poor quality of most new releases as well as the monopolization (under the bullshit moniker of "deregulation") of our radios. Clear Channel Communications rules every market in the US so if you want to hear the worthless crap shoveled out by the big boys it's as close as your FM radio. Why buy this crap when you can tune it in? By the time most people that listen to that kind of garbage would have long ago lost the single or tossed the cd into the back of their car the song is just finishing its near continuous run on the radio. By the way, I'd recommend this latest Harper's for more than that letter. They also have a wonderful expose about the influence of a certain extreme "Christian" group over world politics that will chill most of you to the bone. www.psychicreform.com Who let that monkey in here!?! Dada is dead. Watch your overcoat. _______________________________________________ Orb mailing list Orb(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/orb

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fireman live
by chicken 04 Mar '03

04 Mar '03

from nme.com http://www.nme.com/news/104332.htm Sir Paul McCartney is planning to be his own secret support act for his first UK tour in a decade. Macca is set to kick off dates in the UK in April. He says he wants his musical alter ego The Fireman to be the warm-up before he takes the stage for his own show, ananova reports. The Fireman is in fact McCartney and some-time Orb associate turned producer Youth. They released two underground ambient electonica albums in the 90s - 'Strawberries Oceans Ships Forest' in 1993 and 'Rushes' in 1998. "What we were thinking of doing is a prelude, a pre-show thing, so that you come in and the atmosphere is a bit like a club," said McCartney. "Maybe we're going to use The Fireman, some Fireman music. I thought of getting Youth and the Fireman to do some special mixes, and then it'll grow in intensity." The name is thought to come from Beatles classic 'Penny Lane' which includes the line "And then the Fireman rushes in. McCartney is set to play 22 Beatles songs during the forthcoming tour.

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Re: [Orb] OT for the most part: death to major labels
by Ben May 04 Mar '03

04 Mar '03

>EMI's official response to Holger's letter was >astonishing. Is there so much anger over this issue >that they can't even hire a proficient PR person? I felt the same way! I couldn't believe this was a response from a real person at a company. What better way to fully alienate a potential long term customer. If that guy had been a customer service rep at my company, he would have been out on his ass quicker than he could say "Fraunhoffer Codec" On another note, his (the EMI rep) accusing the author's letter of "Lack of knowledge" seems rather transparent when one considers that CD-Rs have uses other than making illegal duplicate copies of commercial cds. His reference to 215 million (or was it billion?) cds sold versus 250 million CD-Rs was so ignorant as to almost defy common sense. Isn't this person aware that desktop publishing houses, companies, and individuals use CD-Rs to store their own data in leiu of shitty diskettes?! _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

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OT for the most part: death to major labels
by Alan 04 Mar '03

04 Mar '03

To give you an idea of what we're (music fans in general) up against there follows an of e-mail and the reply to it from the "Readings" section of the latest (March 2003) Harper's Magazine: " >From an October email exchange between Holger Turck and EMI Music in Germany. Translated from the German by Ben Ewing. Dear Sir or Madam, Yesterday I purchased the copy-protcted TOTO CD "Through the Looking Glass." The reverse side reads: "It is designed to be compatible with CD audioplayers, DVD players and PC-OS, MS Windows 95, Pentium II 233 MHz 64 MB RAM or higher." This statement is definately false. - In reality, only tracks 1-8 are playable in my DVD player. I don't own an ordinary CD player anymore, making this CD worthless. - In reality, my Macintosh plays only tracks 1-7. Result: the CD is worthless. - In reality, my PC would play the CD only if I were to use the software found on the CD itself. I am very careful when selecting the software that I install on my computer, and I refuse to be coerced into using proprietary software. As a result, this CD is worthless. This is all the more regrettable, as I am a dedicated fan of the group TOTO and own -- among other items -- all of their albums. It's a pity that YOU have prevented me from being able to add their most recent work to my collection. You altogether ignore the simple fact that every purchaser is -- by law -- allowed to make a copy of his purchased CD. Your behavior is altogether illegal. As a result, I will not purchase another CD that is outfitted with copy-protection from your firm or from any other. How do you plan to win me back as a customer in the future? Sincerely, Holger Turck Dear Mr. Turck, We will spare ourselves the trouble of addressing those observations in your email wich are obviously uninformed. Simply realize: more than 250 million blank, recordable discs and tapes were sold and used this year, in comparison to 213 million prerecorded albums. Even without formal study in economics, it should be clear to anyone reading this that the music industry cannot continue to exist if the trend holds. The widespread copying of prerecorded audio material via the burning of CD-Rs can only be countered one way: namely, copy protection. We fear, however, that all these facts will not interest you in the slightest, as these measures will herald the end of free music, which surely won't please you at all. Should you legitimately have a playback problem with the CD that you complained about, we would ask that you specify the exact CD player model for us. The scenario you put forth -- multiple players failing to play the CD -- can only be the stuff of fairy tales, given our experiences. In the event that you plan to protest future releases of copy-protected CDs, we can assure you that it is only a matter of months until more or less every CD released worldwide will include copy protection. To that end, we will do everything in our power, whether you like it or not. Sincerely, Your EMI Team " How about that?!? I have well over 2000 cds in my collection and over 1000 lps. I refuse to purchase anything else from these arrogant bastards. I don't know about you guys but I run through a lot of CD-Rs every month and I NEVER copy cds. I use them to back-up data and to save my own projects. Fuck the major labels. Even if I did want to burn a copy of an album, would the person I gave it to buy it otherwise? NO. Just because they can't figure out the difference between shit and good music is no reason to force unusable music on the their customers. Serves them right for foisting has been dinosaurs and airhead bimbos on the buying public instead of talent. They have noone to blame but themselves. I hate to say it but the USA is probably the place where sales are declining the quickest. I would credit it this to the piss poor quality of most new releases as well as the monopolization (under the bullshit moniker of "deregulation") of our radios. Clear Channel Communications rules every market in the US so if you want to hear the worthless crap shoveled out by the big boys it's as close as your FM radio. Why buy this crap when you can tune it in? By the time most people that listen to that kind of garbage would have long ago lost the single or tossed the cd into the back of their car the song is just finishing its near continuous run on the radio. By the way, I'd recommend this latest Harper's for more than that letter. They also have a wonderful expose about the influence of a certain extreme "Christian" group over world politics that will chill most of you to the bone. www.psychicreform.com Who let that monkey in here!?! Dada is dead. Watch your overcoat.

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Re:[Orb] Gold Water - Dustbowl
by P J Kane 04 Mar '03

04 Mar '03

<< What about this one? >> i have this. it's pretty good. very mellow.... PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org

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Re:Re: [Orb] unknown ghosts with roome and paterson.
by P J Kane 04 Mar '03

04 Mar '03

<< That's it. Just click on one of the Tour, New Releases, News, or album links, and you'll get to the rest of the site, with a full navbar at the top. (it's http://www.invisiblerecords.com/index2.htm ) >> man -- what the heck is a Witchman/Orb project doing on this label? wierd. PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org

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OT for the most part: death to major labels
by bytesizenun＠netscape.net 04 Mar '03

04 Mar '03

Well - to EMI's credit, Holger Turck had no reason to mention copying the CD in the first place. "Keep it simple stupid" would have been my approach i.e. "Why is it that I purchased this multimedia CD and yet it does not function on these various platforms? This is not copy protection. This is inconvenience." That would have prompted a more appropriate response. On the other side of the coin, I'm really amazed that the music industry is so quick to blame the consumer. In my view, they need to look in their own back yard. If the industry chooses to spend much of its energy and money promoting "Disney" acts like NSync and Britney, does it come as any surprise that revenue expectations aren't being met? A kid only gets so much allowance a week after all. They need to realize that by selling low risk, predictable, packaged artists, they are going to miss out on the larger paying public, which includes a) people with money that actually like to spend it on music, and b) people with tastes other than what the industry packages and promotes at this time. I'm always blown away at how they miss the mark on such a vast scale. I look at my evergrowing collection of music. Apart from stuff I bought when I first started listening to music at all and the occasional remaster of some classic, the major label releases make up a smaller percentage of my collection ever day. ------------------------------------ m a r t Â l e p p i k Â - Â floor115 ------------------------------------ __________________________________________________________________ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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