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Re: [Orb] OT niggers
by Ben May 21 Apr '03

21 Apr '03

>In many ways the ultrawealthy are changing us all into "the niggers of the >world." Agreed... >That article "Divisions Deep Over Claims Of Jewish Influence" (at >http://tbrnews.org) was pretty supportive (in a forced neutral manner) of >anti-Semitic bullshit. I couldn't find this... Could someone please find a direct link and email it to me offline? >The word "nigger" would be a meaningless descriptive if it hadn't been so >demonized by the PC crowd and allowed the ignorant who use it as a >pejorative a reason to further increase its negative power. (*#&%(*#&(^%*& What!? You have it ass-backwards. It wasn't the PC people that made nigger anything other than a meaningless descriptive! It was a racial slur LONG before the advent of the political correctness movement. That's where its pejorative value came from... >At this point >in time "black" has somehow become a "bad word." I dont think it has. Many people take pride, or at least wont take any offense, in being called 'black.' > >I think the problem is that people (including you, Thrash) feel it >necessary >to separate people into Jews, Niggers, Spics, Towelheads, Mudpeople, >Democrats, Republicans, Tories, Gypsies... instead of realizing there are >only two kinds of people: The powerful and the powerless. Aha! On this point you are correct. Except that technically, there's not even two kinds. ;) Altho if you must make an artificial division between people, I would say that the most moral and most reasonable is into the haves and have nots. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

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Re: [Orb] OT re: political correctness
by Ben May 21 Apr '03

21 Apr '03

I was thinking a long time about how exactly I wanted to respond to this, and what I wanted to say. But I think I'm ready... :) >At some point he was quoting someone else >saying something about how none of his other friends would swim with >"niggers" and one of my aunts scolded him for using that word saying, "we >don't say that any more." > >When my grandpa spoke you should listen because he was a very quiet and >observant man. The expression that crossed his face at that moment said >more than words can express as to the idiocy that is political correctness. I can understand his annoyance at being asked not to use a particular word anymore, however, I still think its reasonable to ask him not to use it. If you've been following the news recently there was a supreme court case about the free speech protections of cross burning. The court decided it to be not covered under the first ammendment. Essentially the argument was that cross burning is not really a form of speech. It is a message used specifically to convey a message of hatred and intolerance. This is my problem with trying to justify using words such as nigger because of one's anti-political correctness views. The word nigger is a detestable ethnic slur, and as such its use is always detestable. I would use the same argument (in fact, have in the past with black friends of mine) that those who use the word to mean comrade eg "He's my nigga" etc should not use it as such... Of course, on the other hand, this can be taken to far. For instance (http://www.adversity.net/special/niggardly.htm) I remember one Mr. David Howard, who was the director of some washington DC municiple agency, who was forced to resign because of his use of the word "niggardly" in a speech. Now, the philology of the word "niggardly" deviates totally from the background of the word "nigger" and this poor man was forced to resign simply because he used a word which happens to SOUND like a detestable racial slur. This is just silly. >He is using a language that has been banished in error because that >language >contains history. Hrm. I dont know that simple existance of "history" surrounding a word justifies its continued use. The status quo is not worth maintaining simply by virtue of its antiquity. You must judge things based on merit, and the word "nigger" is simply a word with no merit whatsoever. If you want to argue that this is simply the word that the man chooses to use when refering to black people, then I see absolutely nothing wrong with asking him to use a word which is not a detestable racial slur... I feel the same way about when people try and justify flying the stars and bars, "Because of the history behind it." Its not like people are going to forget about the american revolution simply because they are not being confronted with the image of the confederate flag! The confederate flag stands for a failed, and arguably immoral, system. Simply because it is a part of our history does not give us the right to fly it proudly... Especially since the south lost! :-D >We make simple descriptions impossible and make divisions >deeper and more concrete with these restrictions on our use of words. I think this is a bit misleading. We aren't talking about a 1984-type situation here in which words are being categorically stripped out of the language in order to prevent people from having deviant thoughts. There are myriad ways to specify that someone has black skin without resorting to EITHER hackneyed "PC" terms such as african american or ethnic slurs such as "nigger." For instance, you could simply say that the man had black skin. Or that he was black, etc. They >actually call cripples "otherly enabled" these days. "Disabled" isn't too >bad of a PC-ism but "otherly enabled" is insanity. Agreed. This is taking it a bit far. >And what is wrong with >"cripple?" It has negative connotations. Again, this is a question of intent. What matters is not really the word itself. Taken abstractly, all words are just words and all of their meaning is contextual. However, "cripple" is a word which is used as a derogitory insult to people who have disabilities. Its not the word itself which is opposed by the people who espouse political correctness, its the meaning. I think most disabled people would be perfectly willing to have you call them whatever you wanted, so long as the word you chose was not meant to be an insult. Cripple is a word which has a specific meaning. Its putting someone down. Of course people in wheelchairs have problems which the rest of us don't, but does that mean we should socially ostricize them? Its a truism that being disabled or in a wheelchair sucks, but why go out of your way to drive that point home over and over to someone who suffers from such a condition? > These days you get grief >for pointing out differences in skin color. How long til it's non-PC to >notice people have different colored hair? Or nipples? "She's got big, >pink nipples." "You pig! We call them 'oversized non-brown nipples.'" > Again, you're taking things a bit to the extreme. :) I would argue that its not pointing out of skin color which people find offensive. Its the implication that somehow to be cursed with one PARTICULAR skin color someone means one is less of a person. For instance I dont think anyone would mind being called "White" if they are caucasian. But when you call them a "cracker," even tho both words are simply descriptions of skin color, the latter word would cause a completely different response... Really what the solution would be, is to get rid of the negative intent. IE: To get rid of racism. That way you could use whatever word you wanted, as long as the meaning is understood by your audience, because they would KNOW that there is no veiled insult inherent in the word. But since we cannot just get rid of all racism, we do what we can. Sometimes this means things get overblown, like with "niggardly" but it also means that we curtail the use of detestable ethnic slurs, which is inarguably a good thing... As with most problems of society, the truth always lies somewhere between the two extremes. -Ben "Amateur Philologist" May _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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RE: [Orb] Where are we from, and what are our ages?
by Joshua Long 21 Apr '03

21 Apr '03

From: Winston -Salem, NC Age: 30

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OT. Good online T-shirt shops.
by Kayle 'KL' Garkut. 21 Apr '03

21 Apr '03

As a follow-up to Rachels post the other day, does any one know any good online t-shirt shops that would include orb/atari/retro stuff/etc? TIA kl NP: BOC - Alpha And Omega __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Plus For a better Internet experience http://www.yahoo.co.uk/btoffer

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Re: [Orb] OT ftp software downloads
by Ben May 20 Apr '03

20 Apr '03

Soulseek. www.slsk.org >From: "john bennett" <greenjade(a)blueyonder.co.uk> >Reply-To: What were the skies like when you were >young?<orb(a)mailman.xmission.com> >To: "What were the skies like when you wereyoung?" ><orb(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Subject: [Orb] OT ftp software downloads >Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 23:10:51 +0100 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from mc4-f18.law16.hotmail.com ([65.54.237.153]) by >mc4-s3.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Sat, 19 Apr >2003 15:12:13 -0700 >Received: from mailman.xmission.com ([198.60.22.29]) by >mc4-f18.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Sat, 19 >Apr 2003 15:12:12 -0700 >Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=mailman.xmission.com)by >mailman.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian))id 1970Xu-0004O6-01; >Sat, 19 Apr 2003 16:10:54 -0600 >Received: from pcow053o.blueyonder.co.uk >([195.188.53.96]helo=blueyonder.co.uk)by mailman.xmission.com with esmtp >(Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian))id 1970Xr-0004Nz-00for <orb(a)mailman.xmission.com>; >Sat, 19 Apr 2003 16:10:52 -0600 >Received: from p414 ([195.188.92.2]) by blueyonder.co.uk with >MicrosoftSMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Sat, 19 Apr 2003 23:13:22 +0100 >X-Message-Info: BVVQfv+dWoNGDvYIfOP2i6xEeqwdXnfJ >Message-ID: <004001c306c0$8aa73fd0$025cbcc3@p414> >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 >X-BeenThere: orb(a)mailman.xmission.com >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 >Precedence: list >List-Id: What were the skies like when you were >young?<orb.mailman.xmission.com> >List-Help: <mailto:orb-request@mailman.xmission.com?subject=help> >List-Post: <mailto:orb@mailman.xmission.com> >List-Subscribe: ><http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/orb>,<mailto:orb-request@mailman.xmission.com?subject=subscribe> >List-Archive: </pipermail> >List-Unsubscribe: ><http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/orb>,<mailto:orb-request@mailman.xmission.com?subject=unsubscribe> >Sender: orb-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com >Errors-To: orb-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com >Return-Path: orb-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Apr 2003 22:12:12.0845 (UTC) >FILETIME=[BA7875D0:01C306C0] > >anyone on this list know of any good ftp's where you can download software >from ? ive tried the ones off this link to no avail - either i cant connect >or you need a password or sumting - - >i knowa few of you hav been doing this type of thing for yonks > >any help would be a blessed dream > >http://www.ftpsearchengines.com/ > > > >_______________________________________________ >Orb mailing list >Orb(a)mailman.xmission.com >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/orb _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

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RE: A Magic Orb Moment
by Mike VandeVelde 20 Apr '03

20 Apr '03

Well it's about time I say something I guess. First time I heard Orb would have been around 92. My buddy had a tape of ABTU. At the time, I was just waking up from American Top 40 land into the world of Metallica, Megadeath, Judas Priest, Suicidal Tendancies, etc (which turned into Nine Inch Nails and Ministry thanks to the same friend). To me 'techno' was all lame boom boom boom crap with some piano chops thrown on top. The Orb is what turned me on to what techno could really be. It was down in my friend's basement, where he had his bedroom cut off from sunlight with garbage bags over the windows. I mostly remember the variety of music coming off of this one tape, and I kept forgetting that it was all the same group. It just went on and on, from dancy fluffy clouds to darkly religious earth to upbeat spanish castles to reggae perpetual dawn to spacey AHEGPB. Blew me away. It was a little while later another friend played U.F.Orb for me, and I'm embarrassed to say that at the time I wasn't impressed (one of my favourites now). It just didn't have the variety of my first experience, it was sliding back into what I thought of at the time as 'techno'. But soon after that I went out and got a double cassette of live 93, and that was the hook. I could no longer escape. Now for my most memorable orb experience - it would be Pomme Fritz. I remember taking a trip down to the city to get it (hour and a half to Vancouver BC), and dropping some acid on the way back. Me and half a dozen of my friends. We got back to my buddy's place, and we were just starting to get tingles. I popped in the CD. We all sat back and didn't say a word for the whole CD. I hadn't had a clue what to expect. It was the weirdest shit I had ever heard, and hearing it for the first time while peaking was mind bending. Probably even more for some of my friends who hadn't heard of the Orb before and weren't into 'techno'. That will always stick with me as one of my best acid trips, sitting back being overwhelmed by the lunacy coming out of the speakers, looking around and seeing everyone else experiencing basically the same thing. We were all shell shocked after that, but it went on to be a good fun trip. Those were the days when I had a steady supply of the nicest liquid, it would come in food colouring vials. It's been years since I've done any, but I'd do it again - if someone I trust told me it was good. These days I mostly just stick to the herb, plus the odd case or 3 of Molson Candian (that's beer for all you deprived people out there in the wide wide world, especially you poor poor yanks). Once or twice a year maybe a little psylocibin. Nothing like the glory days of my high school/technical institute days, when i was on a mission to try everything. Now I have a real job and a house and bills to pay. I'm not grown up (well, I'm 27), but I'm doing a good job of pretending, I think. Anyway, this is long enough. I think that covers all 3 for me: magic moment, my age, and me n' drugs. ps any of you gone and looked at that place tbrnews.org whot thrash posted about? scary shit man. i hate g dubya, and i think it's sad that the israeli's can't see the similarity between the warsaw ghetto in wwii and the west bank today, but i don't buy all that jewish conspiracy bullshit, and i cringe when i come accross a list of 'that guy's a jew, and that guy's a jew too!!'. i suggest that you forget all about that site thrash. it's sick shit. i'm surprised nobody else had anything to say about it, i guess nobody bothered reading it. anyway, i'm all for open debate, and i don't like people who scream anti-semitism as an involuntary reflex action any time someone criticizes israel, but that tbrnews.org place just goes too far, IMHO. just had to say somefin.

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Once More US Promo
by Edward Halley 20 Apr '03

20 Apr '03

It took awhile, but finally tracked down a US promo of Once More! CD: 2001 US (MCA; MCAR-25352-2) [promo] 3:53 Once More (Radio Edit) 3:43 Once More (Scourge of The Earth Short Mix) 8:03 Once More (Bedrock Edit 2) 10:17 Little Fluffy Clouds (Danny Tenaglia's Detour Mix) Seems like someone gave us this info a couple of years back. I vaguely remember something being mentioned. But since Rachel didn't have anything listed (that I could find) in her discography thought I'd send this info along. How about a 12" promo? Anyone! fvll

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OT OT tosspot
by Alan 20 Apr '03

20 Apr '03

>what would be really amusing is an mp3 of you beating the shit >out of your equipment :) I think you can actually hear me pounding on my dj mixer during the 021117 show which plays regularly on the Shoutcast loop (which is playing now, actually). I think I'm just going to throw the stupid piece of crap away. When I bought it I didn't realize how much I would use it and it's just fallen apart. Next is the Allen & Heath Xone 464 methinks. [drool] >ehhe nah what would be really *amusing* would be to see the equipment >beating the shit out of him.. :) Yeah, it seems the equipment wins a lot of the time! One of the better moments of that was getting shocked after snaking back between the mixing desk, fx rack and the wall one time in New Orleans. I smacked the fuck out of my head, cut my hand, and then spent three or four hours completely tearing the system down and repatching everything (I think it was a metal power strip that bit me but I still don't know for sure). There have been numerous shows where something wasn't grounded right (like whatever my guitar amp was plugged into) so when I would try to sing I'd get 110V right on the mouth. And yes, that's why I have trouble remembering stuff and I tend to blurt out obscenities on the bus. www.psychicreform.com Who let that monkey in here!?! Dada is dead. Watch your overcoat. "Dissent is what rescues democracy from a slow death behind closed doors." -Lewis H. Lapham

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OT OT OT SORRY SORRY SORRY
by Alan 20 Apr '03

20 Apr '03

I know some of you tried to listen in to my show tonight but I had some sort of miserable equipment failure that embarrasses me beyond belief. Besides the problem that kept any live sound from my studio getting to the computer in here (I kind of think it's bad minidiscs but it seems odd that two would do this) both of my mixers are crapping out on me. So you missed some interesting moments but you also missed me beating the shit out of my piece of crap dj mixer. I promise I won't send out notices about these shows again. Check my website or whatever if you like what's playing now. Jesus I feel like such an ass for advertising a non-show... *sigh* www.psychicreform.com Who let that monkey in here!?! Dada is dead. Watch your overcoat. "Dissent is what rescues democracy from a slow death behind closed doors." -Lewis H. Lapham

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- TT June 13, 2002 -
by - Shoom 20 Apr '03

20 Apr '03

=========================================================== Hi Orbfans :] On the June 13, 2002 Thursday Teatime Groovetech with LX. Who is the other Guy DJing Thanks ============================================================ _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

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