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RE: [Orb] FAQ / NORAD Trivia
by Bill the Butcher's 29 Jan '04

29 Jan '04

that orb song that >features a sample >"My grandfather grew up in the southern part of Baxter Colorado" or >something to that effect. What song is that... got it from napster... was >trippy at the time.. Baxter, CO Pop: Unincorporated Located directly east of Pueblo on the edge of Pueblo Internation Airport (its no Trinity, the transvestite capitol of the US i hear) ... but whats that song? _________________________________________________________________ Check out the new MSN 9 Dial-up fast & reliable Internet access with prime features! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=dialup/home&ST=1

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FAQ / NORAD Trivia
by Matt Schleffer 29 Jan '04

29 Jan '04

trivia time: Ok, no1 ans, no listees in Denver/Boulder? Would be cool to see some1 in person and see what they got to give away. Since mp3 is shit I'll just take them off yer hands and your roaches too when traveling their next week. No1 recommended ski resorts. I've only been Keystone twice. Also, since was part of a fun excursion in Manitou Springs, CO (near pikes peak and were they keep the new "blue room" Cheyanne mountain) we listened to that orb song that features a sample "My grandfather grew up in the southern part of Baxter Colorado" or something to that effect. What song is that... got it from napster... was trippy at the time.. On really romantic nights of self, I go salsa dancing with my confusion. - Speed Levitch _________________________________________________________________ Scope out the new MSN Plus Internet Software optimizes dial-up to the max! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/plus&ST=1

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Re: [Orb] His master's voice
by P J Kane 29 Jan '04

29 Jan '04

<< I am so shocked that I started a thread that brought out the nicest, smartest aspect of listees and didnt bring out racism , porno discussions or expose me for the cad I am. >> we must be doign somethign wrong here. either that or Thrash finally got picked up by the mothership... << I must note though, despite your overwhelming graciousnous in this conversation you have failed to wrap your text so people on xmission can read it w/out scrolling.. this happened to me a few times, what gives? >> it doesn't wrap? huh .... i use this real cheap-o NetZero interface, and i can't even control that setting! so -- blame the ISP. really! so -- thanks for the warning about that. i will see what i can do. PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org

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Re: [Orb] His master's voice
by Bill the Butcher's 29 Jan '04

29 Jan '04

I am so shocked that I started a thread that brought out the nicest, smartest aspect of listees and didnt bring out racism , porno discussions or expose me for the cad I am. I must note though, despite your overwhelming graciousnous in this conversation you have failed to wrap your text so people on xmission can read it w/out scrolling.. this happened to me a few times, what gives? > ><< Agree to disagree? >> > >wait, i thought we ended up agreeing on the importance of hardware.... now >i'm confused again. > ><< I've read discussion boards where people bitch about the audio of DVDs >being slightly compressed but they haven't mentioned the video portion. >> > >i used to share a cubicle with the guy who runs DVDSewer.com ("Jedi MAster >Carl" was his office nickname), and he was actually the one who pointed >this out to me. i have noticed it a lot since then... it is an odd thing. > one group of fans seems to adore the digital aspect, while another group >hates it. why? > ><< Ahhh....I think I misread the original message. I agree that what you >use to play something can make a huge difference. >> > >see, we did agree. > ><< It's too early in the morning. I need more coffee. >> > >dude -- it's lunchtime, time for a martini! > ><< Good discussion. BTW, I've been really enjoying an mp3 source of Auntie >Orbies remix thingy part three. Great work there. >> > >yeah, i DLed that as well. who compiled that? > >PJK > >please don't hate me because i can't type..... >--- >All the cool kids are doing it: >HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org > > >_______________________________________________ >Orb mailing list >Orb(a)mailman.xmission.com >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/orb _________________________________________________________________ High-speed usersbe more efficient online with the new MSN Premium Internet Software. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1

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Re: [Orb] His master's voice
by Bill the Butcher's 29 Jan '04

29 Jan '04

> > absolutely tell the difference between a CD and a 192kbps rip of the > > same music, in a clean environment. However, in my car, or walking > > around with headphones, where there's lots of ambient noise to overcome, > > it doesn't matter much, which is why they're so great for portability. > >Precisely, Adam. The portability of MP3s is quite nice, and yes - most of >the >time the ambient noise will drown out the obvious imperfections of the >audio >file. > >On my home stereo, I can play for you a Boards of Canada RECORD, CD, and >MP3. >You can hear a significant difference between them when compared, >especially if >you crank the volume. Yeah, it also is worth noting, that this whole conversation is meaningless unless you specify what you are playing your music on. If its KLH, or some Funkatronics-Roadmaster Siedschlag piece of shit stereo bought from a Pamida then its all crabby patties. I don't know much about "real" stereo's but I know they exist and you have to build them yourself online w/like auctioned tube amplified recievers and shit... no built in tuners here, thats all I know. Basically you want to hear what the engineers (like launch-pad-Mcweston here) intended you to hear and heard themselves. How to accomplish that best.... i bet 90 bit sample rate on 1st generation mp3 on a nice, tube-powered, british speaker driven.. hi end home stereo would sound fine... not near perfection... but fine just the same. This type of heated debate is whats missing from Justablip.... _________________________________________________________________ Let the new MSN Premium Internet Software make the most of your high-speed experience. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1

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Re: [Orb] His master's voice
by P J Kane 29 Jan '04

29 Jan '04

<< Agree to disagree? >> wait, i thought we ended up agreeing on the importance of hardware.... now i'm confused again. << I've read discussion boards where people bitch about the audio of DVDs being slightly compressed but they haven't mentioned the video portion. >> i used to share a cubicle with the guy who runs DVDSewer.com ("Jedi MAster Carl" was his office nickname), and he was actually the one who pointed this out to me. i have noticed it a lot since then... it is an odd thing. one group of fans seems to adore the digital aspect, while another group hates it. why? << Ahhh....I think I misread the original message. I agree that what you use to play something can make a huge difference. >> see, we did agree. << It's too early in the morning. I need more coffee. >> dude -- it's lunchtime, time for a martini! << Good discussion. BTW, I've been really enjoying an mp3 source of Auntie Orbies remix thingy part three. Great work there. >> yeah, i DLed that as well. who compiled that? PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org

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Re: [Orb] His master's voice
by bla blazo 29 Jan '04

29 Jan '04

>why you.... i oughta..... no, i might be. but you might be as well. who >can tell? LOL! True enough. >or at least, they will SAY they can. like i am going to trust thoe people, >who have a vested >interest in me agreeing with their statements and thus >shellign out for expensive audio gear.... Good point... >and i contend that the range of frequency difference is nothign we cna >hear, and that rather the >difference has to do with the quality of the >hardware. Agree to disagree? >here is a comment: music folk do this all the time -- analog v. digital >sound. film people NEVER > >do. you never hear anyone slam DVD as degrading the quality of celluloid >film. why is that? I've read discussion boards where people bitch about the audio of DVDs being slightly compressed but they haven't mentioned the video portion. >a waveform by itself is meaningless -- it is only when it is fed through >hardware that you get >sound, and therefore meaning. the hardware is as >important, if not moreso, than the medium. Ahhh....I think I misread the original message. I agree that what you use to play something can make a huge difference. It's too early in the morning. I need more coffee. >do you have a DVD player? many ll DVD players made in the past 3 years >will also play MP3 CDs. I do! I'll have to see if it will play an mp3 disc. Good discussion. BTW, I've been really enjoying an mp3 source of Auntie Orbies remix thingy part three. Great work there. -matt _________________________________________________________________ Check out the new MSN 9 Dial-up fast & reliable Internet access with prime features! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=dialup/home&ST=1

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re: his master's voice
by Alan 29 Jan '04

29 Jan '04

So I got home from work early yesterday because I kind of ran out of stuff to do and I felt like utter crap like I was exhausted and someone had been beating on my joints and back with a sock full of sand and I went to walk my dog and despite the fact it was like 15 degrees I went from freezing my ass off to sweating during that short walk and when I got back in I took my temperature and it was 102F (38.8C). No wonder I've felt so run down the last few days! So back to the mp3 thing. Outside of a studio situation where the room is acoustically tuned and the speakers are studio monitors and the signal path is short and high quality I don't believe any of you could tell the difference between a cd and a 192kbps rip of that cd if the mp3 encoder is set to encode up to or above 20khz. I've noticed that the default setting for most encoders is to stop encoding above 16khz which is inaudible to most people but is pretty noticeable to me both in the sound of the instruments, etc. and the "warmth" of the recording. So let's say we're all over at some excellent bar that's got, say, a Klipsch speaker array driven by a couple of Crown amps that are 30 feet away from the NAD pre-amp, and the cd and cd-r are being played on a Pioneer DVD player. Between the ambient noise of the bar and the wiring and the crappy components I'd say in a series of blind tests you'd hit random. Same thing in my car driving down the road, smoking a joint, swigging on a half pint of Evan Williams (mmmmmmm), heading up into the mountains... Anyway, my mp3 player is really cool looking. It's got these light bars that move like meters and it scrolls the song names (doesn't do that with cd's unless you program them in yourself) and there's this SHDB button that boosts the bass to the point where a good 30hz B will make your bowels loosen... I don't usually play it that loud but you get the idea. Ok, back to bed. _________________________________ www.psychicreform.com Change your mind. _________________________________ Things are more like they are now than they ever were before. --Zippy the Pinhead _________________________________

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Re: [Orb] His master's voice
by bla blazo 29 Jan '04

29 Jan '04

Good discussion! >and i contend that no human being can tell, on a high end MP3. I contend that you are wrong. Go to a high end stereo/speaker shop and bring in the same album in a compressed and uncompressed format. I guarantee the people working there (if their worth their salt) will be able to tell the difference. Same with vinyl and CD......people *can* tell the difference. The range of frequencies the you get with vinyl is greater than CD. Like I said before, I'm no sonic expert or I would throw in a bunch of numbers to prove this..... ><< I can absolutely tell the difference between vinyl and CD >> > >because you have different playback devices. you are comparing apples to >oranges and >saying, "This apple is the better orange." I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at here? Playback? I'm talking about the wave form, not what it's played on. >ah, there's the rub: clean environment would mean comparable playback >equipment. maybe i just need to buy a better MP3 player, then i can hear >the limitations? Hmmm...just train your ears to listen and you will hear the limitations. I don't own an mp3 player (well, I have winamp on my computer) so I'm not sure what the differences are between companies or if one company makes an mp3 player that sounds better than another. I'll admit that I've heard some pretty damn good mp3s...it makes me wish that I could get my hands on the original source all the more. Again, some people use and love mp3. It is great for storing large amounts of audio to carry around. It's convenient. However, I don't like lossy formats and try not to use them whenever possible. That's just me, though. It's my opinion... and you know the saying about opinions.... Just remember: "...it's important to understand that all MP3 files, no matter how well-encoded, have discarded some of the information that was stored in the original, uncompressed signal." quoted from: http://www.mp3-converter.com/mp3codec/lossiness.htm Got to google and type in lossy or lossless compression and do some reading. FWIW, nobody on my planet likes mp3s....... -matt _________________________________________________________________ Let the new MSN Premium Internet Software make the most of your high-speed experience. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1

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RE: [Orb] From the rough trade list - out on monday
by Bill the Butcher's 28 Jan '04

28 Jan '04

I swear I had a dream about that last night. I had a bootleg copy of patterns n' textures w/I have never seen but I kept putting it into the vcr. Then we had those things b4 laserdiscs that looked like records. Or were those laserdiscs that had spiderman and stuff, wierd we had that b4 CDs? Who knows what those visual/audio records were, you slid into a slot. >From: derrien(a)club-internet.fr >Subject: [Orb] From the rough trade list - out on monday >Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 15:31:58 +0100 > >various - island life various - island life dvd 6.99 a cheap collection of >classic videos from the island roster including paul weller, the orb, >aswad, pulp, tricky, pj harvey, buggles etc >_______________________________________________ >Orb mailing list >Orb(a)mailman.xmission.com >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/orb _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE online virus check for your PC here, from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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