February 2004 - Orb - mailman.xmission.com

ORB UK LIVE DATES
by Smiley 06 Feb '04

06 Feb '04

morning (UK) / evening (US) all... ...some of these have already been spotted by a few of our sharper members, but here's the FULL list of live shows to support the album release: ALBUM RELEASE UK 3rd MAY 2004. Tour Dates: MAY 2004 5 WED UK ORB LIVE - MANCHESTER @ HOP & GRAPE 6 THUR UK ORB LIVE - GLASGOW @ THE ARCHES 7 FRI UK ORB LIVE - DUBLIN @ AMBASSADOR 8 SAT UK ORB LIVE - SHEFFIELD@ LEADMILL 9 SUN UK ORB LIVE - BRISTOL @ ACADEMY 10 MON UK ORB LIVE - BRIGHTON @ CONCORDE 2 11 TUES UK ORB LIVE - LONDON @ BRIXTON FRIDGE tickets should be on sale next week. cheers, --- Smiley

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Faux Fox
by Don Gagen 05 Feb '04

05 Feb '04

If you like retro sound of bands like Postal Service and Fischerspooner you might like this. http://www.fauxfox.com Black Glove Or White Glove is soon to be released on Tigerbeat 6, but you can get it as a pre-release here. http://www.fauxfox.com/whiteglove.html Don "The downside of being better than everyone else is that people tend to assume you're pretentious." Despair INC. DONALD D GAGEN MAILTO:DGAGEN@ENSEMBLESTUDIOS.COM ENSEMBLE STUDIOS http://www.ensemblestudios.com

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Re: [Orb] His master's voice
by Viceroy Orbison 05 Feb '04

05 Feb '04

lol, About the only song I can hear now is that Mr Oizo video with the puppet. > > The problem is, those guys maybe never left > > the basement of their parents rambler or the safety of a river condo to >go > > to a Pantera or Meschugga concert. These tend to cause a small loss of > > hearing range, particularly the high-end frequency. > >what? Are you kidding me? Loud concerts have made me hear high-end >frequencies even better than before! In fact, I hear them all the time, >even if it's really really quiet! geezzzz. > >_______________________________________________ >Orb mailing list >Orb(a)mailman.xmission.com >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/orb _________________________________________________________________ Check out the coupons and bargains on MSN Offers! http://shopping.msn.com/softcontent/softcontent.aspx?scmId=1418

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Re: [Orb] His master's voice
by Chromatest J. Pantsmaker 05 Feb '04

05 Feb '04

----- Original Message ----- From: "Viceroy Orbison" <cynicam(a)hotmail.com> > The problem is, those guys maybe never left > the basement of their parents rambler or the safety of a river condo to go > to a Pantera or Meschugga concert. These tend to cause a small loss of > hearing range, particularly the high-end frequency. what? Are you kidding me? Loud concerts have made me hear high-end frequencies even better than before! In fact, I hear them all the time, even if it's really really quiet! geezzzz.

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Re: [Orb] His master's voice
by Adam J Weitzman 05 Feb '04

05 Feb '04

I'm on digest, so I don't know if this has been answered, but your presumptions on both halves of the equation are wrong, and as a result, and your math is way off. From: P J Kane <postlibyan(a)netzero.com> > anyhoo, for the benefit of you two: an MP3 can be encoded at 192 > kbps, that's "kilobits per second" or, "192 x 8 (there are 8 pieces > of info in a bit) x 1,000" pieces of information, which works out to > be: 1,536,000 pieces of information PER SECOND. > > a CD is encoded at a mere 128 kbps, which works out to be 1,024,000 > pieces of information per second. > > so, there is quite a bit more information encoded in a high-quality MP3 > than there is in CD quality audio. Actually, there is 1 piece of info in a bit. You are thinking of a byte, which contains 8 bits. 192kbps works out to 192 x 1024 x 2 (don't forget stereo!) = 393,216 bits per second. A CD is encoded 44,100 samples per second x 16 bits per sample x 2 channels = 1,411,200 bits per second, or more than 3.5x more information than a 192kbps MP3. Even if you forget about the math, your entire premise is illogical. You are arguing that if you rip a 192kbps MP3, you would end up with more information than you started with on the CD, but it would take up less space. That makes no sense. It is well known that MP3 is a lossy algorithm. In order to get the compression, you have to lose data. I can absolutely tell the difference between vinyl and CD, and I can absolutely tell the difference between a CD and a 192kbps rip of the same music, in a clean environment. However, in my car, or walking around with headphones, where there's lots of ambient noise to overcome, it doesn't matter much, which is why they're so great for portability. -- Adam J Weitzman - voxpop arbitrageur

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Denver area
by Alan Evil 05 Feb '04

05 Feb '04

I visited Denver once and there were some pretty good record stores. I can't remember any names but there was a good alternative rag with ads for everything and stuff. I'm sure you can pick up a copy and find a place in the sun to read it while facing the white cap mountains to your west and drink a beer or two. Denver's a pretty fucking cool city by my standards. Hell, they had an ambient festival and booked me, what more need be said? ____________________ www.psychicreform.com ____________________

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Re: [Orb] His master's voice
by Viceroy Orbison 05 Feb '04

05 Feb '04

That really is a great post... full of equations and stuff... physics is usefull, if not anything else. The problem is, those guys maybe never left the basement of their parents rambler or the safety of a river condo to got to a Pantera or Meschugga concert. These tend to cause a small loss of hearing range, particularly the high-end frequency. One could then venture, there is also a diminished ability to distinguish between 'better' or mathematically superior sound files. I mean just cuz its their (3.5 or 3.25 X better), doesnt necessarilly mean its usefull. I.E. you may get some 'tang' this valentines day for naming a star after your date, but nobody will ever see that star and say "oh, its 'gavin's whore he took to the Craig David show and showered in gifts of gold's' star. NOBODY GIVES A SHIT ABOUT YOUR CONCUBINE"S FUCKING STAR GAVIN... NOBODY AHHHHH HAH HA HA HA HA ... sorry got a lil off track. Good work though, seriously. >From: Gavin Miller <orbaddict(a)yahoo.com> >Reply-To: What were the skies like when you were >young?<orb(a)mailman.xmission.com> >To: What were the skies like when you were young? ><orb(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Subject: Re: [Orb] His master's voice >Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 21:31:02 -0800 (PST) > >Just to throw more fuel on the fire... > > > A CD is encoded 44,100 samples per second x 16 bits > > per sample x 2 > > channels = 1,411,200 bits per second, or more than > > 3.5x more information > > than a 192kbps MP3. > >That is a fact. >I'm a bit of a DAT head, which records in 3 modes: >32k (aka LP mode), 44.1k (CD format) and 48 K. All are >16 bit 2 channel. I've used all 3 and can tell a >difference between 32 and 44.1, because of the 1/2 >kBPS rule. >"what's that" you might ask? It was explained to me >typically devide the bps by 2 and you get the >frequency cutoff. 32kBPS = 16kHZ, 44.1kBPS = 22kHZ. >As for 48kHZ, I guess there's a difference but it's >minimal. The biggest drawback is the need for >resampling if you're planning on converting a 48k >recording to CD format. > >As I've done more research, I've noticed in some hi-fi >digital forums the users consider 96kBPS 24 bit the >way to go. If you do the math that's 4,608,000 which >is 3 1/4 more than CD format. It was noted as the >"true way to reproduce analogue sound with a digital >medium" I guess you'd need a six-figure system in >order to hear the difference though... I dare you to >mention MP3 around those guys. >Gavin > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. >http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html > >_______________________________________________ >Orb mailing list >Orb(a)mailman.xmission.com >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/orb _________________________________________________________________ Find high-speed net deals comparison-shop your local providers here. https://broadband.msn.com

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RE: [Orb] Denver area
by Viceroy Orbison 05 Feb '04

05 Feb '04

I appreciate the response Alan, albeit a slow one. I have only driven through Denver when they built the new stadium and saw the old mile-high one half demolished and burnt. Its funny you should mention that rag... i have an old acquaintance that works for it and I hear its the countries biggest alt diaper... she sure can afford a lot of booger sugar. I'll probably just crank up some IDM on the ipod and ski off the K2 /Matterhorn or whatever 'better off dead-ish" double black diamonds i can find. Boulder is were i'm going and thats a tripped out place. My friends are only into eating raw foods now so I need to at least find some sushi or cattle-brains. >I visited Denver once and there were some pretty good record stores. I >can't remember any names but there was a good alternative rag with ads for >everything and stuff. I'm sure you can pick up a copy and find a place in >the sun to read it while facing the white cap mountains to your west and >drink a beer or two. Denver's a pretty fucking cool city by my standards. >Hell, they had an ambient festival and booked me, what more need be said? >____________________ > > www.psychicreform.com >____________________ > > >_______________________________________________ >Orb mailing list >Orb(a)mailman.xmission.com >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/orb _________________________________________________________________ Check out the new MSN 9 Dial-up fast & reliable Internet access with prime features! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=dialup/home&ST=1

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Orb on Rowe E-Cast Jukeboxes!
by Gavin Miller 05 Feb '04

05 Feb '04

Hello All! At work today I went into our show room to work on some games, and decided to play some tunes on the on-line Jukebox we have on display. I searched for Orb, but their album art wasn't to be seen, so I used the search feature it's equipped with. Lo and behold, every studio album they released in the US is on it! I couldn't believe it, so I played all of them from start to finish. Adventures, U.F.Orb, Orbus Terrarum, Orblivion, Cydonia (no EDM of course)The show room was rocking out to the Orb until no earlier than 3 PM! What is this jukebox I'm talking about? It's a wall mount jukebox with a touch screen monitor that is basicly a computer with a hard drive that stores MP3s of artists. It holds 100 albums as a default, but if it's connected to a phone line and the registration is paid, the jukebox offers a download feature from Rowe's server of over 10,000 artists. If an artist is selected for download enough, the jukebox makes that title a permanent album on its hard drive. Also as the jukebox is used for a certain amount of times, it changes albums in and out based on a location's popularity of certain artists. I've gotten a few in on trade that had nothing but R&B artists, but most come in with classic rock and country. While its on freeplay, it's now my goal to make the one on the showroom more (dare I say it) "Electronica" friendly. I searched for other artists and found Massive Attack, Orbital, Primal Scream, and Underworld. So the next time you see one of these Jukeboxes go and download Orb. I know it's MP3, but on a bar's crappy soundsystem it's worth hearing the Orb! Gavin __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html

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04 Tour
by David Doree 05 Feb '04

05 Feb '04

So we have a May date for sheffield, also Bristol academy.Anyone know a date for good ole London yet? ===== If you have enough energy,half a brain and can convince enough people that you could be the next Orson welles you will become a film maker.Don't be put off by ridicule,poverty or fear you can do it. - Chris jones & Genevieve Jollife. -July 30th '96.(03.52 hours) ___________________________________________________________ BT Yahoo! Broadband - Free modem offer, sign up online today and save Â£80 http://btyahoo.yahoo.co.uk

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