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I can get political rhetoric elsewhere...
by Chris Polson 08 Dec '04

08 Dec '04

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RE: [Orb] RE: Orb Digest, Vol 22, Issue 6
by Joshua Long 08 Dec '04

08 Dec '04

"you know what.... i really regret making any music at all now i just hope none of these right wingers like any music i made" Why do you think that I'm here? "please please lord - how can i have connected with people like this...?" He does work in mysterious ways _______________________________________________ Orb mailing list Orb(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/orb Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com _______________________________________________ Orb mailing list Orb(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/orb Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com

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OT for Thrash
by Alan Evil 08 Dec '04

08 Dec '04

There really are some sensible Americans. Promise. http://tinyurl.com/4nyyh or http://www.middleeast.org/read.cgi?category=Magazine&num=1226&standalone=0&… ____________________ www.psychicreform.com ____________________ "Political criticism is our enemies' best friend." Bernard Kerik incoming Director of Homeland Security, New York Newsday, 10/20/2003 "Let no one mention the questionableness of a military success against France!" - Hitler - Mein Kampf

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RE: Orb Digest, Vol 22, Issue 6
by Ken Erxleben 08 Dec '04

08 Dec '04

alan evil - go read another pack of lies from the NY Times and keep your liberal garbage off this list it's quite obvious you have financial jealousy and you blame bush instead of properly blaming yourself some call it corporate climbing......others call it ass kissing.....others call it GETTING AHEAD..... OF YOUR WHINY ASS the evil corporations have made your american life better than any other country could imagine your attitude is a perfect example of why john kerry lost - kudos and hey now! a majority is a majority folks - call it a mandate or not.....but you can say this much for sure: bush won by a larger victory than 2000.....by a larger margin than most liberal victories in the past century.....in a time when the lib media made it seem like the entire country was against him. daschle is gone and the house and senate have moved further to the right the country as a whole HAS spoken i surely would have accepted a kerry victory had that happened how you can cry for 4 years about the gore loss only to be ready to cry for 4 more is beyond me stop feeling sorry for yourself and either do what it takes to make more money.....or hold on to your "values" and SHUT UP ALREADY! sorry folks....i'm done with this - PROMISE! :D

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Fwd: [Orb] RE: Orb Digest, Vol 22, Issue 6
by Kris Weston 08 Dec '04

08 Dec '04

sanctimonious flames about how accepting you are that bush got in wont get you very far with me my old sonny... as far as im concerned its the puppet on the left or the puppet on the right.. all are slaves to money and corporations ('the individuals') the ideological battle to pretend you have a choice or manafacturing consent as ole chomsky would say.... is all that remains just keep thinking the word 'democracy' applies to you over there...... money, greed and selfish immoral values are what governs america really,,, anyway back to my huge dinner of 10 pound notes with gravy while i get blown by a whore... and no i didnt say we had one ear either but at least we have health care.. __ kwis )) (( c[_] scuse the epenthesis *****************************

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OT songs
by Alan Evil 08 Dec '04

08 Dec '04

http://www.psychicreform.com/highdropod/20041114%20o%20america%20hpod2trkmi… http://www.psychicreform.com/highdropod/20040913%20Michelle.mp3 Your thoughts? ____________________ www.psychicreform.com ____________________ "Political criticism is our enemies' best friend." Bernard Kerik incoming Director of Homeland Security, New York Newsday, 10/20/2003 "Let no one mention the questionableness of a military success against France!" - Hitler - Mein Kampf

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OT re: bored with this
by Alan Evil 08 Dec '04

08 Dec '04

>From: Brian <brian(a)lists.frickster.net> >Subject: Re: [Orb] OT to the noisey three >To: "Orb Mailing List (XMission)" <orb(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Message-ID: <BDDB7402.367B%brian(a)lists.frickster.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Alan, you addressed the entire list with your question by posting it here in >the first place. If you didn't want to hear from people you don't agree >with, you should have posted your question in some liberal forum somewhere >where you would get the answers you wanted to hear. I love a good argument as all the older listees well know. What I wanted, however, was some information from non-Americans about their impression of their healthcare system. What I got, from you small group of Americans, was obscenities, personal attacks, and wishes of failure. >For your information, you have made a few assumptions about me: that I'm >some sort of right-winger (I'm not-- I'm not a member of the Republican >party, and I don't ever intend to be), and that by default I listen to Rush >Limbaugh; I don't, I think he's nuts. Fine. >By quoting him as you did, you're misrepresenting a point of view both >expertly and conveniently, simply because you don't agree with it. There >have been numerous shows where Rush Limbaugh and other members of the media >have backed up their disbelief in global warming, with solid facts and >evidence that you simply BEG to ignore. As best I can tell (and yes, I'm one of those geeks that actually goes to the library and reads peer reviewed scientific journals) the "science" those people rely on is as firmly based in data and the scientific method as the tobacco industry's "science" that said cigarettes aren't bad for you. The small number of energy industry sponsored "scientists" that muster arguments about the non-existance of global warming (yeah, just because a half million year old glacial ice shelf recently collapsed doesn't mean the world is warming up, der) are, in my opinion, loonier than flat earthers and far more evil. >Telling me that all Americans are stupid is plain ignorance: Canadians are >Americans, too. Whoa whoa whoa! Please show me where I said all Americans are stupid. >Are you calling Canadians stupid, or are you inadvertently >misdirecting a nasty comment you want to direct at a subset of the >population of the United States with which you don't agree? I think I referred to the people that believe in Rush Limbaugh as stupid Americans. Is that what you're blathering about? >I don't care whether you agree with me, but your attitude about it is simply >astounding. It's precisely the dividing factor in the Democratic party; >there are so many radicals with so many causes that trying to find someone >to agree with them all is downright impossible. Why not try to have a >rational conversation about it, with facts and objectivity, instead of >tossing about names and empty phraseology like cows in a tornado? My attitude is I know what I'm talking about and I've actually got data and history to back me up. But this goes back to my original contention that I asked a question of some other people and you attacked me for questioning the neo-con worldview. My question simply intimated that I might disagree with the healthcare system as it is in the US so it's open season to insult me, curse me, and wish that my business fails. By the way, I also didn't compare Bush to Hitler. I pointed out that our government is moving in a fascist direction. Fascism is the farthest right you can go, isn't it? You guys really need to learn how to read. Anyway, if you want to have a discussion off list that's great. I'm done with this on list, however. I apologize to our non-American friends. This is pretty much how it is in the US now. If you think this is bad you should try driving in rush hour traffic. God forbid you need to merge in front of an SUV "Support our Troops and President Bush" stickered SUV driven by a crophaired soccer mom. We've become a nation of angry teenagers. It's no wonder Bush got elected (by a minority of registered voters). Blaze away Tim C. Internet+Anonymity=Asshole. I'm having nothing to do with your ugly self any more. ____________________ www.psychicreform.com ____________________ "Political criticism is our enemies' best friend." Bernard Kerik incoming Director of Homeland Security, New York Newsday, 10/20/2003 "Let no one mention the questionableness of a military success against France!" - Hitler - Mein Kampf

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OT to the noisey three
by Alan Evil 08 Dec '04

08 Dec '04

I wasn't talking to you and I'm still not. I'm interested in first hand accounts from Europeans, Canadians, and Brits, not empty rhetoric from American right wingers. That's easy to find. I'd like to quote Rush Limbaugh from two days ago: "...global warming (which is not happening, by the way)..." That's how the right wingers are being informed these days, folks. Despite accumulated evidence from decades of research by hundreds of thousands of scientists from all corners of the world a fat, stupid talk-show host can tell a bunch of stupid Americans all that is wrong (and evolution as well) and they'll believe him. It's sad but true. Please remember when we invade France that some of us tried to stop it. The forces of facism are moving steadily forward here trying not to make the same fatal mistakes Hitler made. The goal is still the same. ____________________ www.psychicreform.com ____________________ "Political criticism is our enemies' best friend." Bernard Kerik incoming Director of Homeland Security, New York Newsday, 10/20/2003 "Let no one mention the questionableness of a military success against France!" - Hitler - Mein Kampf

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OT Re: healthcare
by Mike VandeVelde 07 Dec '04

07 Dec '04

Here's some perspective from a Canadian. I wasn't going to bother but seeing the left/right red/blue us/them nastiness explode like that made me figure maybe I should make it all worthwhile. No point in responding to all the bow-down-before-the-beloved-corporations horseshit. I do take issue with that quoted article though. Ben (the author), I'm glad you left. You belong down there. I would rather flee to the woods and live on squirrel meat than move down to http://www.jesusland.com/. I'd trade 10 of you for any one of these http://www.marryanamerican.ca/. If you ever come back to visit you might want to check this stuff out http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/americas/12/07/canada.tshirts.ap/index.ht…. First of all, what's with taking a simple word like liberal or socialist and trying to turn it into a dirty insult?? All that "well he's a liberal" and "well that's just socialist" with some kind of you-know-what-i-mean wink-wink tone to it is totally lost on me. Yes there are waiting lists. Is waiting for surgery somehow inferior to being told "fuck off you penniless fucking bum"? I don't think so. Yes our income taxes are higher, but that's because we live in the now - no defecit - and don't ask our great grandchildren to take care of the bills. There is no 15.5% sales tax. There is a 7% national sales tax (GST), and then provinces have the right to collect their own sales tax (PST). Here in British Columbia the PST was just reduced from 7.5 to 7%. Next door in Alberta there is no PST. Look up the rest if you're curious. Gasonline is taxed at a higher rate, but we have 3.2 people/km2 while the USA has 29 people/km2 - we need way more roads, and we have 1/10th the people to pay for them! Americans are subsidizing Canadian drugs? ROFL! That's not even worth getting into. Blah blah, immigrants, blah blah 16%GST?!?! - I heard it here first!, blah blah regional/fringe political parties - 70% my ass, blah blah be *very* afraid of socialism. Socialism doesn't work? By what measure? Last I heard the vast majority of the best places to live were socialist countries. Anyway, what I think is that we have a great philosophy for our system, it's just in the details where we could use a little work. Privatization is not the answer, even though it seems to be in vogue right now. They are taking jobs like kitchen and cleaning work that used to support families and eliminating them and replacing them with minimum wage high turnover jobs that can't be doing anything good to the level of quality. I heard that they are taking the laundry from some local hospitals and shipping it 1000 miles out onto the prairies to be cleaned. Can you think of any way that might make sense? I don't think there's any way that a corporation can offer a service at a cheaper cost (while also skimming profits off the top) without directly and indirectly lowering the quality of life for everyone. And never mind the manual labour, they are starting to do the same thing with private clinics and contracting out things like diagnostics and laser eye surgery. Give it 10 more years and we might not have anything to argue about anymore, unless me and people like me do something about it. The whole thing started in the 90s when drastic cuts were made as part of eliminating the federal defecit. Now all of a sudden our healthcare system is "fundamentally broken" and instead of just funding it properly we're trying out all kinds of mad experiments on it. I hope we see the light before it's too late. Then there's drugs. I don't think people should be forced top pay extra money for life saving medicine so that big pharma can afford to come up with things like prozac and viagra. I say open the floodgates and let the generic drugs flow. That would be the biggest single thing that could get our healthcare system back in shape. Then there's doctors. No, actually, the government does not tell them where to work. Healthcare is a run by the provinces, with just some funding help from the federal government. Here in British Columbia I think they give bonuses to the doctors who are willing to work in rural areas, but that's about as far as the coersion goes. But seriously there are some problems with doctors raking in too much money. Yes they deserve decent pay for all the education they have, but if they want really big bucks they should have gone into professional sports. Colleges of Physicians and Surgeons need to swing the pendulum back towards weeding out the bad seeds and away from automatically protecting their own. I'm lucky I'm mostly healthy and so don't have a lot of direct experience, but I've taken my girlfriend through the system for surgery a couple times in the last few years. It wasn't like staying in a 5 star hotel, and like anywhere there were some people in serious need of some attitude adjustment (and some angels), but she got everything she needed. The company I work for only just got started offering extended medical this fall. I shudder to think what might have hapened if we were living in the USA at the time. Anyway, not sure if any of that is what you were looking for, but I needed to vent ;-) mike. ps If you want to know how a good health care system is run, check out Cuba. Seriously. By all indicators the best in the world. Stick that in your pipes and smoke it all you Bush boosters.

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audio quality - outboard DACs
by Tim C 07 Dec '04

07 Dec '04

Question: Is anyone running digital outs from DVD or multi player to outboard DAC? This seems to be widely popular solution to high end audio on a budget. I'm curious as to what results anyone's getting. My beloved OLD Nak's drive motor is on fritz, so I'm thinking either fix it or get outboard DAC for DVD deck (which is Toshiba and has horrid CD sound, and not much better DVD sound). TIA, T

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