John, Just took possession of a "Coastal" Brand all aluminum trailer here in south Texas. They make them right up the road in Seadrift, Tx. They are one of three major suppliers of boat trailers in the US. There work is well thought out and beautifully executed. I was able to request some specific changes to their basic design and all were done without extra charge. For instance they built the tongue around the request that I wanted to add a telescoping tongue to their stock trailer design. Thanks to their ingenuity and cooperation I have been able to fabricate and install a nine foot extension to the trailer they sold me. Must add, the First trailer they built for me was built around an axle supplied to them which was defective in that it did not perform to the specs they claimed. The owner, himself, sat down with me and looked over the situation and would not let me take the original trailer home. Instead he built me a whole other trailer in the next 24 hours, eating the total cost of the first one. I call that pleasing the customer and living up to your claim that the customer has to be happy. It was not the fault of Coastal that the first pre stressed axle did not perform. The axle manufacturer apologized for letting it slip through their quality control. I highly recommend this company. The trailer cost me right around $2600. Good luck. Having a good trailer is worth the one time cost of it if it gives you peace of mind for those long hauls to a favorite lake or wrinkle boat get together. I am planning on the one coming up this May at lake Texoma. Tom B <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 2:17 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:

Cool...crossing all the way to South Pacific? Or just to Hawai'i?

I am curious about the trailer in the photo you attached. Is that the original, from in the USA? Or something that came after that, in NZ or elsewhere?

It looks nice and light and simple and yet plenty sturdy. If it's from somewhere on the west coast USA I'd like to know the source.

My M-17 came with a serviceable but old, heavy, probably overkill for an M-17 trailer that is also too short-tongued for easy launch/retrieve.

So I'm interested in west coast USA trailer sources in general. I'm in southern Oregon so anything between the SF Bay area and Seattle would be useful (closer better of course :-).

cheers, John S.

On 01/05/2016 11:28 AM, Bob Eeg wrote:

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I have apologized to Tom for my Smart Ass Reply the other day.

Sorry Tom.

I built Strawanza in 2007 for a mid winter crossing of the Pacific Ocean. She did well and he made it just fine.

She's in New Zealand now.........she still looks great.

Be well Bob Eeg 949/489-8227

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sorry for typos in last email ... autocorrect on phone :-( On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 1:49 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:

Best West Coast Trailers is Pacific boat trailers in Chino California. They also have a location in NorthBest West Coast Trailers is Pacific boat trailers in Chino California. They also have a location in Newark California. Trailers are built and Tino.

Pacific can make you a Montgomery 17 trailer as they have the patterns for the boat and trailer already. Talk to Mike. Let him know you talked with me.

:: Dave Scobie On Jan 5, 2016 1:18 PM, "John Schinnerer" <john@eco-living.net> wrote:

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Cool...crossing all the way to South Pacific? Or just to Hawai'i?

I am curious about the trailer in the photo you attached. Is that the original, from in the USA? Or something that came after that, in NZ or elsewhere?

It looks nice and light and simple and yet plenty sturdy. If it's from somewhere on the west coast USA I'd like to know the source.

My M-17 came with a serviceable but old, heavy, probably overkill for an M-17 trailer that is also too short-tongued for easy launch/retrieve.

So I'm interested in west coast USA trailer sources in general. I'm in southern Oregon so anything between the SF Bay area and Seattle would be useful (closer better of course :-).

cheers, John S.

On 01/05/2016 11:28 AM, Bob Eeg wrote:

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I have apologized to Tom for my Smart Ass Reply the other day.

Sorry Tom.

I built Strawanza in 2007 for a mid winter crossing of the Pacific Ocean. She did well and he made it just fine.

She's in New Zealand now.........she still looks great.

Be well Bob Eeg 949/489-8227

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John, I think I remember from a previous M-boat e-mail that you will be putting your M boat into Puget Sound. Correct? I recommend a galvanized trailer for the salt water, lube the wheel bearing frequently, and rinse it thoroughly with fresh water every time you do a salt water launch or outhaul. Steve M-15 # 335 -----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 6:03 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Strawanza trailer Thanks Tom B & Dave for your trailer recommendations a while back. TX is a bit far from here though it sounds like a great manufacturer. I will give Mike at Pacific a call. Great to see they have an SF Bay area location, I go there from time to time anyway. If anyone has other monty trailer maker recommendations more in the northwest (Oregon or Washington for example) that would be great also. thanks, John S. On 01/05/2016 12:49 PM, Dave Scobie wrote:

Best West Coast Trailers is Pacific boat trailers in Chino California. They also have a location in NorthBest West Coast Trailers is Pacific boat trailers in Chino California. They also have a location in Newark California. Trailers are built and Tino.

Pacific can make you a Montgomery 17 trailer as they have the patterns for the boat and trailer already. Talk to Mike. Let him know you talked with me.

:: Dave Scobie On Jan 5, 2016 1:18 PM, "John Schinnerer" <john@eco-living.net> wrote:

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John, That 18 inch hitch extension, depending on how big your towing vehicle is, smaller vehicle may give you a very bouncey ride with that 18" acting like a lever to multiply the tongue weight as it acts on your rear suspension unit. Fair winds, Tom B <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 2:21 AM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:

Thanks Steve,

It will get occasional saltwater dunkings. Probably more freshwater on average, in local/regional lakes. To saltwater would be longer trips (both on road and on water) mostly.

I am researching the cost/weight tradeoff between aluminum and galvanized steel. Along with what it would cost for a local fabricator to hack the current old steel trailer for a sliding tongue. But it is a heavy pig and that would just make it heavier, plus it's got other issues...wasn't originally for an M17 I'm told, bunks are correct and one keel roller in right place but rear roller too far back, for example. And too short in the tongue...I got a blacksmith friend to fab me an 18" hitch extension, until I sort out better options.

cheers, John S.

On 01/20/2016 06:47 PM, Steve Trapp wrote:

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John, I think I remember from a previous M-boat e-mail that you will be putting your M boat into Puget Sound. Correct? I recommend a galvanized trailer for the salt water, lube the wheel bearing frequently, and rinse it thoroughly with fresh water every time you do a salt water launch or outhaul. Steve M-15 # 335

-----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 6:03 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Strawanza trailer

Thanks Tom B & Dave for your trailer recommendations a while back. TX is a bit far from here though it sounds like a great manufacturer. I will give Mike at Pacific a call. Great to see they have an SF Bay area location, I go there from time to time anyway.

If anyone has other monty trailer maker recommendations more in the northwest (Oregon or Washington for example) that would be great also.

thanks, John S.

On 01/05/2016 12:49 PM, Dave Scobie wrote:

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Best West Coast Trailers is Pacific boat trailers in Chino California. They also have a location in NorthBest West Coast Trailers is Pacific boat trailers in Chino California. They also have a location in Newark California. Trailers are built and Tino.

Pacific can make you a Montgomery 17 trailer as they have the patterns for the boat and trailer already. Talk to Mike. Let him know you talked with me.

:: Dave Scobie On Jan 5, 2016 1:18 PM, "John Schinnerer" <john@eco-living.net> wrote:

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Now that I have added an 11 foot telescoping wagon tongue to my trailer I have to be careful of the clearances beneath it as I back down the ramp. Where the flat parking lot meets the top of the ramp there is a rise formed due to the boat end of the trailer being on the tilted ramp while the truck end of the trailer tongue in still on the flat parking lot. Noticed that situation the other day while watching a large power boat with a long trailer tongue backing down a ramp. Bending the telescope tongue there would prevent being able to close up the trailer tongue for the trip home. Could be very dicey, not to mention the lights on the trailer would not work. Lots of good info on this site about the rudders. A good thread. <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 12:09 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:

I know - it was never intended for use while towing, only for use on the ramp. That's why it's a temporary fix...have to unhitch, move vehicle, install extension, re-align & hitch up...bit of a pain, but does keep the vehicle a bit drier.

cheers, John S.

On 01/22/2016 06:53 AM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:

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John, That 18 inch hitch extension, depending on how big your towing vehicle is, smaller vehicle may give you a very bouncey ride with that 18" acting like a lever to multiply the tongue weight as it acts on your rear suspension unit. Fair winds, Tom B < https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaig...

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On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 2:21 AM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:

Thanks Steve,

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It will get occasional saltwater dunkings. Probably more freshwater on average, in local/regional lakes. To saltwater would be longer trips (both on road and on water) mostly.

I am researching the cost/weight tradeoff between aluminum and galvanized steel. Along with what it would cost for a local fabricator to hack the current old steel trailer for a sliding tongue. But it is a heavy pig and that would just make it heavier, plus it's got other issues...wasn't originally for an M17 I'm told, bunks are correct and one keel roller in right place but rear roller too far back, for example. And too short in the tongue...I got a blacksmith friend to fab me an 18" hitch extension, until I sort out better options.

cheers, John S.

On 01/20/2016 06:47 PM, Steve Trapp wrote:

John,

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I think I remember from a previous M-boat e-mail that you will be putting your M boat into Puget Sound. Correct? I recommend a galvanized trailer for the salt water, lube the wheel bearing frequently, and rinse it thoroughly with fresh water every time you do a salt water launch or outhaul. Steve M-15 # 335

-----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 6:03 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Strawanza trailer

Thanks Tom B & Dave for your trailer recommendations a while back. TX is a bit far from here though it sounds like a great manufacturer. I will give Mike at Pacific a call. Great to see they have an SF Bay area location, I go there from time to time anyway.

If anyone has other monty trailer maker recommendations more in the northwest (Oregon or Washington for example) that would be great also.

thanks, John S.

On 01/05/2016 12:49 PM, Dave Scobie wrote:

Best West Coast Trailers is Pacific boat trailers in Chino California.

...

They also have a location in NorthBest West Coast Trailers is Pacific boat trailers in Chino California. They also have a location in Newark California. Trailers are built and Tino.

Pacific can make you a Montgomery 17 trailer as they have the patterns for the boat and trailer already. Talk to Mike. Let him know you talked with me.

:: Dave Scobie On Jan 5, 2016 1:18 PM, "John Schinnerer" <john@eco-living.net> wrote:

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The waters down here in South Texas are shallow. In my area most of it is waist deep out to about 300 yards. It is "bassboat country" that float in mere inches of water. Consequently the ramps are shallow and with the thin water are usually covered with slick algae of one form or another. My pickup has gotten stuck on wet lawn, no joke. So I try hard to keep the wheels on dry pavement. If I ever move or when I go to lakes with decent slope to the ramps I can let out less and just run the lock bolt through a hole to shorten the tongue. I have even considered adding a ball to the front fender although going through all that to launch would probably keep me home anyway. Question- when you send in emails to this site do they show up in your inbox? Mine don't. They do end up in the threads down the line though which is the only way I know for sure they are making it into the msog site. <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 12:03 AM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:

Wow - 11 foot? That is major. Do you have special launching situations where that much is really necessary? Real shallow ramps or hard beaches, or...? I am pondering how much extension I would want if I get a new trailer or hack my existing trailer. Seems like 4 or 5 feet would be plenty but curious to know why you went with 11 feet.

thanks, John S.

On 01/24/2016 08:44 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:

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Now that I have added an 11 foot telescoping wagon tongue to my trailer I have to be careful of the clearances beneath it as I back down the ramp. Where the flat parking lot meets the top of the ramp there is a rise formed due to the boat end of the trailer being on the tilted ramp while the truck end of the trailer tongue in still on the flat parking lot. Noticed that situation the other day while watching a large power boat with a long trailer tongue backing down a ramp. Bending the telescope tongue there would prevent being able to close up the trailer tongue for the trip home. Could be very dicey, not to mention the lights on the trailer would not work. Lots of good info on this site about the rudders. A good thread. < https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaig...

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On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 12:09 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:

I know - it was never intended for use while towing, only for use on the

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ramp. That's why it's a temporary fix...have to unhitch, move vehicle, install extension, re-align & hitch up...bit of a pain, but does keep the vehicle a bit drier.

cheers, John S.

On 01/22/2016 06:53 AM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:

John,

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That 18 inch hitch extension, depending on how big your towing vehicle is, smaller vehicle may give you a very bouncey ride with that 18" acting like a lever to multiply the tongue weight as it acts on your rear suspension unit. Fair winds, Tom B <

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On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 2:21 AM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:

Thanks Steve,

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It will get occasional saltwater dunkings. Probably more freshwater on average, in local/regional lakes. To saltwater would be longer trips (both on road and on water) mostly.

I am researching the cost/weight tradeoff between aluminum and galvanized steel. Along with what it would cost for a local fabricator to hack the current old steel trailer for a sliding tongue. But it is a heavy pig and that would just make it heavier, plus it's got other issues...wasn't originally for an M17 I'm told, bunks are correct and one keel roller in right place but rear roller too far back, for example. And too short in the tongue...I got a blacksmith friend to fab me an 18" hitch extension, until I sort out better options.

cheers, John S.

On 01/20/2016 06:47 PM, Steve Trapp wrote:

John,

...

I think I remember from a previous M-boat e-mail that you will be putting your M boat into Puget Sound. Correct? I recommend a galvanized trailer for the salt water, lube the wheel bearing frequently, and rinse it thoroughly with fresh water every time you do a salt water launch or outhaul. Steve M-15 # 335

-----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 6:03 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Strawanza trailer

Thanks Tom B & Dave for your trailer recommendations a while back. TX is a bit far from here though it sounds like a great manufacturer. I will give Mike at Pacific a call. Great to see they have an SF Bay area location, I go there from time to time anyway.

If anyone has other monty trailer maker recommendations more in the northwest (Oregon or Washington for example) that would be great also.

thanks, John S.

On 01/05/2016 12:49 PM, Dave Scobie wrote:

Best West Coast Trailers is Pacific boat trailers in Chino California.

> They > also have a location in NorthBest West Coast Trailers is Pacific boat > trailers in Chino California. They also have a location in Newark > California. Trailers are built and Tino. > > Pacific can make you a Montgomery 17 trailer as they have the > patterns > for > the boat and trailer already. Talk to Mike. Let him know you talked > with me. > > :: Dave Scobie > On Jan 5, 2016 1:18 PM, "John Schinnerer" <john@eco-living.net> > wrote: > > > > --

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John

From San Diego to Vanuatu Island (Marshal Islands.) About 6300 miles in a straight line.

The trailer is from New Zealand. Bob

On 1/5/2016 3:51 PM, Howard Audsley wrote: Howard, As I recall, he was heading for Namibia. Connie

That is the way I remember it but I thought he was going farther than New Zealand. I thought it was Madagascar or some such place?

I also remember you outlined all the modifications made and the fanfare when he left, but never heard what happened or how far he got. Did he ever chronicle the trip?

On Jan 5, 2016, at 1:28 PM, Bob Eeg wrote:

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I have apologized to Tom for my Smart Ass Reply the other day.

Sorry Tom.

I built Strawanza in 2007 for a mid winter crossing of the Pacific Ocean. She did well and he made it just fine.

She's in New Zealand now.........she still looks great.

Be well Bob Eeg 949/489-8227 <image1.JPG>

Sent from my iPad

Hi Rick and others.... Wilhelm lived in Namibia, South Africa and owned a large Ranch and was in the Oil Exploration Business. He would have a boat built or buy one and do solo sails, for fun. Before I met him he sailed an engineless boat thru the Suez Canal into the Red Sea. He gave that boat away. He planned to sail several segments to Namibia, stopping along the way. He left San Diego headed west doing a winter crossing of the Pacific. He pulled into Vanuata 100 days later to rest and wait out Hurricane season in the Indian Ocean. He put the boat on the Hard with the boatyard owned by SUE. He emailed me and called me and we talked a long time. The boat did fine. Two large storms mid ocean. No problems. Waves 40 feet. He had some family and business issues back home. He left to fly home and nobody heard from him again. Sue and I emailed a few times over the years. On an email with Geoff, she said this... Wilhelm the owner left the yacht with me in Vanuatu, (I owned the boatyard there) but never returned. I tried to contact him in many ways, but the address he left was incorrect, I called the police and the yacht club in Namibia, even the Windhoek newspaper and the yacht club, but was unable to find him, so after 4 years of non-payment, the boat was seized, as per terms of contract . I felt something untoward must have happened to him. Cheers, Sue The boat was contained to New Zealand. Be well Bob Eeg [image1.JPG] [image2.JPG] Sent from my iPad On Jan 5, 2016, at 2:30 PM, Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com<mailto:jdavies104@gmail.com>> wrote: Does anyone know exactly where Strawanza sailed? I've heard of her for years, but never heard any details about her travels. Did she sail to New Zealand? Rick M17#633 Lynne L On Tuesday, January 5, 2016, Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats@hotmail.com<mailto:montgomeryboats@hotmail.com>> wrote: I have apologized to Tom for my Smart Ass Reply the other day. Sorry Tom. I built Strawanza in 2007 for a mid winter crossing of the Pacific Ocean. She did well and he made it just fine. She's in New Zealand now.........she still looks great. Be well Bob Eeg 949/489-8227

You're welcome Rick. The owner of the shipyard named SUE moved to New Zealand and took Strawanza with her. She's retired now. Sent from my iPad

On Jan 5, 2016, at 6:58 PM, Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for the update, Bob. Always wondered what happened. Mysterious ending. Wonder why she was sent to New Zealand?

Rick M17 #633 Lynne L

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On Tuesday, January 5, 2016, Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hi Rick and others....

Wilhelm lived in Namibia, South Africa and owned a large Ranch and was in the Oil Exploration Business. He would have a boat built or buy one and do solo sails, for fun. Before I met him he sailed an engineless boat thru the Suez Canal into the Red Sea. He gave that boat away.

He planned to sail several segments to Namibia, stopping along the way. He left San Diego headed west doing a winter crossing of the Pacific. He pulled into Vanuata 100 days later to rest and wait out Hurricane season in the Indian Ocean. He put the boat on the Hard with the boatyard owned by SUE. He emailed me and called me and we talked a long time. The boat did fine. Two large storms mid ocean. No problems. Waves 40 feet.

He had some family and business issues back home. He left to fly home and nobody heard from him again.

Sue and I emailed a few times over the years. On an email with Geoff, she said this...

Wilhelm the owner left the yacht with me in Vanuatu, (I owned the boatyard there) but never returned. I tried to contact him in many ways, but the address he left was incorrect, I called the police and the yacht club in Namibia, even the Windhoek newspaper and the yacht club, but was unable to find him, so after 4 years of non-payment, the boat was seized, as per terms of contract . I felt something untoward must have happened to him. Cheers, Sue

The boat was contained to New Zealand.

Be well

Bob Eeg

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[image2.JPG] Sent from my iPad

On Jan 5, 2016, at 2:30 PM, Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com <javascript:;><mailto:jdavies104@gmail.com <javascript:;>>> wrote:

Does anyone know exactly where Strawanza sailed? I've heard of her for years, but never heard any details about her travels. Did she sail to New Zealand?

Rick M17#633 Lynne L

On Tuesday, January 5, 2016, Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats@hotmail.com <javascript:;><mailto:montgomeryboats@hotmail.com <javascript:;>>> wrote:

I have apologized to Tom for my Smart Ass Reply the other day.

Sorry Tom.

I built Strawanza in 2007 for a mid winter crossing of the Pacific Ocean. She did well and he made it just fine.

She's in New Zealand now.........she still looks great.

Be well Bob Eeg 949/489-8227

John: the first M17 rudders (like REALLY low hull numbers) was partially balanced and could not be 'lifted'. the later boat, built by Jerry, had a solid mahogany rudder that slides on a rod. when in the up position the rudder can be mounted and the boat launched and retrieved (rudder up is the same depth as the shoal keel). this 'sliding sold mahogany' rudder is superior to any after-market rudder or any 'kickup' rudder for it's shape, control and simplicity. -- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 6:53 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:

I just noticed something curious in this pic Bob posted of Strawanza a while back (attached). Specifically, the rudder - it is well clear of the ground, with boat sitting level on trailer. Trailer doesn't look significantly higher than the usual M17 trailer. In any case from this side view it looks like rudder depth is about even with keel depth. Maybe a tiny bit deeper.

Maybe it's the sliding rod rudder, but I can see the top is still nearly down where it would be when fully down. Not more than a few inches up, if at all.

My rudder is way longer than this. Can't put it on boat on trailer even with front of trailer almost to the ground. I know mine goes way deeper than my keel. I couldn't even put it on at a launch ramp dock one place last fall, too shallow by 3-6".

Bob, can you shed any light on this difference? Anyone else?

thanks, John S.

On 01/05/2016 11:28 AM, Bob Eeg wrote:

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Great, There should be a hole about 5/8 diameter somewhere near the top forward part of your rudder. Run a line through that hole and secure it to an eye on one side of your transom with a cleat on the other side of the transom. Then all you need to do is pull on the free end of the line and the rudder will pop right up. Once it is up you cleat off the line and there you have it..To lower the rudder once you are launched, just uncleat the line and let the rudder slide down the rod. My Monty built in 74 had that and it is a very handy hookup. Position the eye and cleat that hold the hoisting line about 6 inches either side of the rudder on top of your transom. Tom B <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 11:05 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:

How do you guys secure it in the up position? I think this is what I have. ..

Jazz On Jan 20, 2016 4:00 PM, "Dave Scobie" <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:

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John:

the first M17 rudders (like REALLY low hull numbers) was partially balanced and could not be 'lifted'. the later boat, built by Jerry, had a solid mahogany rudder that slides on a rod. when in the up position the rudder can be mounted and the boat launched and retrieved (rudder up is the same depth as the shoal keel). this 'sliding sold mahogany' rudder is superior to any after-market rudder or any 'kickup' rudder for it's shape, control and simplicity.

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On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 6:53 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:

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I just noticed something curious in this pic Bob posted of Strawanza a while back (attached). Specifically, the rudder - it is well clear of the ground, with boat sitting level on trailer. Trailer doesn't look significantly higher than the usual M17 trailer. In any case from this side view it looks like rudder depth is about even with keel depth. Maybe a tiny bit deeper.

Maybe it's the sliding rod rudder, but I can see the top is still nearly down where it would be when fully down. Not more than a few inches up, if at all.

My rudder is way longer than this. Can't put it on boat on trailer even with front of trailer almost to the ground. I know mine goes way deeper than my keel. I couldn't even put it on at a launch ramp dock one place last fall, too shallow by 3-6".

Bob, can you shed any light on this difference? Anyone else?

thanks, John S.

On 01/05/2016 11:28 AM, Bob Eeg wrote:

-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -

Jazz The rudder has a hole (see photo) that a fixed line from an eyestrap on the top of the transome, runs down, thru the hole and back up to a Cam Cleat. Pull the line and the rudder slides up About 12 inches or so. Cleat it off. Here's a photo of the normal wood rudder and 2 generations of the Ida Sailor rudder that Gary Hyde provided. (Thanks Gary) New wood rudders are available at Royce Boat Shop in Newport Beach. His number is (949) 280-8849. Yes, JO boat works in Texas does excellent work as well. Bob (949) 489-8227

On 01/20/2016 06:00 PM, Dave Scobie wrote:

John:

the first M17 rudders (like REALLY low hull numbers) was partially balanced and could not be 'lifted'.

Aha! That would be me...Pajarita is #38. And my rudder is slightly balanced, yes. And deep as heck! And only two pintles/gudgeons.

the later boat, built by Jerry, had a solid mahogany rudder that slides on a rod. when in the up position the rudder can be mounted and the boat launched and retrieved (rudder up is the same depth as the shoal keel). this 'sliding sold mahogany' rudder is superior to any after-market rudder or any 'kickup' rudder for it's shape, control and simplicity.

Yep, I've heard that described here before...sounds great, but where do I get one nowadays? :-) DIY I guess - anyone here have the slide-up rudder and could post some pictures? I see there was some more descriptions in other recent posts on this thread. And, still wondering about Strawanza's rudder length (depth). It is clearly not as deep as mine, looks even or barely below fixed keel in the photo, and clearly not slid up more than 4-6 inches, if at all (if it is even a slide-up). cheers, John S. -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com

Well, Jazzy, Try to survive your ordeal in Hawaii. Stay with this website and you might make it through back to your new ride. 😉 Fair winds, Tom B <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 3:46 AM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:

I think I have a slide up, 3 gudgeons. I will try to post a pic when I get home next week. I'm stoked to verify as I've just been enlightened by this thread! But for now I'm forced to vacation in Oahu without my new ride :( Jazz On Jan 21, 2016 10:12 PM, "John Schinnerer" <john@eco-living.net> wrote:

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John:

the first M17 rudders (like REALLY low hull numbers) was partially balanced and could not be 'lifted'.

Aha! That would be me...Pajarita is #38. And my rudder is slightly balanced, yes. And deep as heck! And only two pintles/gudgeons.

the later boat, built by Jerry, had a solid

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mahogany rudder that slides on a rod. when in the up position the rudder can be mounted and the boat launched and retrieved (rudder up is the same depth as the shoal keel). this 'sliding sold mahogany' rudder is superior to any after-market rudder or any 'kickup' rudder for it's shape, control and simplicity.

Yep, I've heard that described here before...sounds great, but where do I get one nowadays? :-) DIY I guess - anyone here have the slide-up rudder and could post some pictures? I see there was some more descriptions in other recent posts on this thread.

And, still wondering about Strawanza's rudder length (depth). It is clearly not as deep as mine, looks even or barely below fixed keel in the photo, and clearly not slid up more than 4-6 inches, if at all (if it is even a slide-up).

cheers, John S.

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Dave, That was my next question. Thanks for sharing all your invaluable knowledge about these boats. Tom B <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 5:41 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:

John.

John Owens of JOwoodworks can make you a rudder.

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John:

the first M17 rudders (like REALLY low hull numbers) was partially balanced and could not be 'lifted'.

Aha! That would be me...Pajarita is #38. And my rudder is slightly balanced, yes. And deep as heck! And only two pintles/gudgeons.

the later boat, built by Jerry, had a solid

...

mahogany rudder that slides on a rod. when in the up position the rudder can be mounted and the boat launched and retrieved (rudder up is the same depth as the shoal keel). this 'sliding sold mahogany' rudder is superior to any after-market rudder or any 'kickup' rudder for it's shape, control and simplicity.

Yep, I've heard that described here before...sounds great, but where do I get one nowadays? :-) DIY I guess - anyone here have the slide-up rudder and could post some pictures? I see there was some more descriptions in other recent posts on this thread.

And, still wondering about Strawanza's rudder length (depth). It is clearly not as deep as mine, looks even or barely below fixed keel in the photo, and clearly not slid up more than 4-6 inches, if at all (if it is even a slide-up).

cheers, John S.

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Rick, Yeah, my next project will be turning all the extra rudders into a windmill to pump water on the back lawn.😩🤔 <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 9:08 AM, Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote:

Tom,

You're going to have quite a collection of rudders!

Rick M17 #633 Lynne L

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John.

John Owens of JOwoodworks can make you a rudder.

:: Dave Scobie On Jan 22, 2016 3:12 AM, "John Schinnerer" <john@eco-living.net> wrote:

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On 01/20/2016 06:00 PM, Dave Scobie wrote:

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John:

the first M17 rudders (like REALLY low hull numbers) was partially balanced and could not be 'lifted'.

Aha! That would be me...Pajarita is #38. And my rudder is slightly balanced, yes. And deep as heck! And only two pintles/gudgeons.

the later boat, built by Jerry, had a solid

...

mahogany rudder that slides on a rod. when in the up position the rudder can be mounted and the boat launched and retrieved (rudder up is the same depth as the shoal keel). this 'sliding sold mahogany' rudder is superior to any after-market rudder or any 'kickup' rudder for it's shape, control and simplicity.

Yep, I've heard that described here before...sounds great, but where do I get one nowadays? :-) DIY I guess - anyone here have the slide-up rudder and could post some pictures? I see there was some more descriptions in other recent posts on this thread.

And, still wondering about Strawanza's rudder length (depth). It is clearly not as deep as mine, looks even or barely below fixed keel in the photo, and clearly not slid up more than 4-6 inches, if at all (if it is even a slide-up).

cheers, John S.

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I'd like to rig mine to clear two feet of snow off my driveway. 😊

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Rick M17 #633 Lynne L

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John.

John Owens of JOwoodworks can make you a rudder.

:: Dave Scobie On Jan 22, 2016 3:12 AM, "John Schinnerer" <john@eco-living.net <javascript:;>> wrote:

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On 01/20/2016 06:00 PM, Dave Scobie wrote:

> John: > > the first M17 rudders (like REALLY low hull numbers) was partially > balanced > and could not be 'lifted'. >

Aha! That would be me...Pajarita is #38. And my rudder is slightly balanced, yes. And deep as heck! And only two pintles/gudgeons.

the later boat, built by Jerry, had a solid > mahogany rudder that slides on a rod. when in the up position the rudder > can be mounted and the boat launched and retrieved (rudder up is the same > depth as the shoal keel). this 'sliding sold mahogany' rudder is superior > to any after-market rudder or any 'kickup' rudder for it's shape, control > and simplicity. >

Yep, I've heard that described here before...sounds great, but where do I get one nowadays? :-) DIY I guess - anyone here have the slide-up rudder and could post some pictures? I see there was some more descriptions in other recent posts on this thread.

And, still wondering about Strawanza's rudder length (depth). It is clearly not as deep as mine, looks even or barely below fixed keel in the photo, and clearly not slid up more than 4-6 inches, if at all (if it is even a slide-up).

cheers, John S.

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John, I also have the tiller that goes with the sliding rudder. Rick M17 #633 Lynne L On Friday, January 22, 2016, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:

On 01/20/2016 06:00 PM, Dave Scobie wrote:

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John:

the first M17 rudders (like REALLY low hull numbers) was partially balanced and could not be 'lifted'.

Aha! That would be me...Pajarita is #38. And my rudder is slightly balanced, yes. And deep as heck! And only two pintles/gudgeons.

the later boat, built by Jerry, had a solid

...

mahogany rudder that slides on a rod. when in the up position the rudder can be mounted and the boat launched and retrieved (rudder up is the same depth as the shoal keel). this 'sliding sold mahogany' rudder is superior to any after-market rudder or any 'kickup' rudder for it's shape, control and simplicity.

Yep, I've heard that described here before...sounds great, but where do I get one nowadays? :-) DIY I guess - anyone here have the slide-up rudder and could post some pictures? I see there was some more descriptions in other recent posts on this thread.

And, still wondering about Strawanza's rudder length (depth). It is clearly not as deep as mine, looks even or barely below fixed keel in the photo, and clearly not slid up more than 4-6 inches, if at all (if it is even a slide-up).

cheers, John S.

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