Sent from my iPad > On Jan 20, 2016, at 9:06 PM, Jazzy wrote: > > How do you guys secure it in the up position? I think this is what I have. > .. > > Jazz >> On Jan 20, 2016 4:00 PM, "Dave Scobie" wrote: >> >> John: >> >> the first M17 rudders (like REALLY low hull numbers) was partially balanced >> and could not be 'lifted'. the later boat, built by Jerry, had a solid >> mahogany rudder that slides on a rod. when in the up position the rudder >> can be mounted and the boat launched and retrieved (rudder up is the same >> depth as the shoal keel). this 'sliding sold mahogany' rudder is superior >> to any after-market rudder or any 'kickup' rudder for it's shape, control >> and simplicity. >> >> >> -- >> :: Dave Scobie >> :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred >> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com >> >> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 6:53 PM, John Schinnerer >> wrote: >> >>> I just noticed something curious in this pic Bob posted of Strawanza a >>> while back (attached). >>> Specifically, the rudder - it is well clear of the ground, with boat >>> sitting level on trailer. Trailer doesn't look significantly higher than >>> the usual M17 trailer. >>> In any case from this side view it looks like rudder depth is about even >>> with keel depth. Maybe a tiny bit deeper. >>> >>> Maybe it's the sliding rod rudder, but I can see the top is still nearly >>> down where it would be when fully down. Not more than a few inches up, if >>> at all. >>> >>> My rudder is way longer than this. Can't put it on boat on trailer even >>> with front of trailer almost to the ground. I know mine goes way deeper >>> than my keel. I couldn't even put it on at a launch ramp dock one place >>> last fall, too shallow by 3-6". >>> >>> Bob, can you shed any light on this difference? Anyone else? >>> >>> thanks, >>> John S. >>> >>> >>> On 01/05/2016 11:28 AM, Bob Eeg wrote: >>> >>> -- >>> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >>> - >>