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Re: M_Boats: M17 boom.
by Dave Scobie 05 Jan '14

05 Jan '14

Stanley. I'm confused as you also sent me an email that said your main has a bolt rope at the foot? :: Dave Scobie :: M17 375 SWEET PEA Ezbumm <stanpfa(a)pacbell.net> wrote: >Yes > >Sent from my iPhone > >On Jan 5, 2014, at 7:43 AM, Dave Scobie <wdscobie(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >> Stanley: >> >> Is your main loose footed? >> >> >> :: Dave Scobie >> :: m17 #375 SWEET PEA >> >> ---- >> In its past life, my new-to-me 1976 M17's boom snapped in two and was welded >> back together. The repair seems solid but the aesthetics have been >> compromised. What was the original boom section and is it still available? >> If not, what would be a suitable replacement? I'm in New England so Dwyer >> is actually a good option for me. Their DM-3 section is a close match, but >> it appears they only sell it as a mast section and do not carry boom ends or >> goosenecks for it. The DM-2 looks a little too flimsy. That leaves the >> DM-275, which should be stout enough but has an elliptical instead of a >> teardrop section. Thoughts? >

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Re: M_Boats: M17 boom.
by Dave Scobie 05 Jan '14

05 Jan '14

Stanley: Is your main loose footed? :: Dave Scobie :: m17 #375 SWEET PEA ---- In its past life, my new-to-me 1976 M17's boom snapped in two and was welded back together. The repair seems solid but the aesthetics have been compromised. What was the original boom section and is it still available? If not, what would be a suitable replacement? I'm in New England so Dwyer is actually a good option for me. Their DM-3 section is a close match, but it appears they only sell it as a mast section and do not carry boom ends or goosenecks for it. The DM-2 looks a little too flimsy. That leaves the DM-275, which should be stout enough but has an elliptical instead of a teardrop section. Thoughts?

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looking for an M15 Mast Extrusion on the West Coast
by Thom Loftus 05 Jan '14

05 Jan '14

Hi Everyone. M15 owner in San Francisco here. I'm trying to figure out if I can purchase a replacement mast extrusion for my M15 from a spar maker on the West Coast of the US. Basically, the Dwyer M-4 but without the $200 shipping cost from Connecticut. On the advice of Svensen's Marine in Alameda, I've tried Ballenger Spars in Watsonville, CA (nothing that small) as well as Lefeill in LA (they could only suggest Dwyer for a boat as small as a Monty 15). Any tips or advice appreciated. I just can't believe that Dwyer is the only company in the US that can provide me with a mast. Shipping cost aside, I'd love to not have to go with Dwyer as their customer service has been terrible for me in the past. Thanks, Thom San Francisco

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Older M17 rudder measurements needed
by Tom Smith 24 Dec '13

24 Dec '13

I have the original rudder from a mid-70s M17 I used to own. It's the fixed rudder where the blade undershoots the keel. Just for the hell of it I'm refurbishing it and re-installing the pintals so they will line up correctly with the gudgeons on the transom of my early 90s M17. I have both the stock and IdaSailor rudders and know the downside of a fixed rudder, but one can't have too many rudders, can one? I'm interested to know how much gap there is between the top of the rudder's undershot blade and the keel. Anybody know that measurement off hand? Thanks. Tom Smith t _/\_

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New Rudder thoughts
by jaredprindle 23 Dec '13

23 Dec '13

I'm aiming this question to Jerry since he was the designer but anyone...feel free. I'm making a new rudder for my M12. The old one is great but I'm making a fold up one and I'd still like to keep the original. I like learning these things so that's part of the reason too. It's fun messing with splinters and fumes. Anyway, I was going to make something along the lines of a Naca 0012 as that seems to be a popular foil - not to racey but not a pig either. Measuring the original rudder it doesn't look naca anything but the thickness to chord length ratio seems really small...about 8.5%. Literature suggests that this rudder may stale alot without constant attention. I never felt that way about it while using it so I guess I'm just looking for some clarification or understanding. Any thoughts on this? Considering the wood I'm using is a little thinner then what I wanted my rudder may end up closer to a 10% ratio. Again thoughts? Ok, I know, I know that all this detail really doesn't matter since there's no M12 class to be racing against and my dad has said it's pretty hard to screw up a rudder. I'm happy to know the tolerances are fairly forgiving but I'd still like to understand the theory for doing it right and even understand what and why behind the original rudder design. Thanks Jared

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Montgomery 15 Ladder Installation
by David Grah 20 Dec '13

20 Dec '13

I think there was some recent discussion about ladders on a Montgomery 15. As outlined at this link, for several years I used a removable ladder on the boat. About a year ago put in a permanent ladder. After using the new ladder a bunch this summer, I can say I couldn't be happier with it and the installation. http://pages.suddenlink.net/davidgrah/Ladder.pdf David Grah Bishop California Montgomery 15 Sky

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Oars/Sweeps for M17?
by seable＠lava.net 17 Dec '13

17 Dec '13

Howzit from Kaneohe Bay? I’m dangerously close to splashing my restored ‘91 M17 and have options for AUX power; but must wonder if anyone has thought to / or successfully applied oars & locks to the cockpit combings. Or even a transom sweep??? Just checking! We just need to clear our lee shore reef, before we can sail to weather and beyond. Best ideas will be rewarded with an invitation to come over and crew! AloooHa! Mele Kalikimaka e Hauoli Makahiki Hou! Philipp @ SE’ABLE 808- 247-8497 seable(a)lava.net

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Re: M_Boats: New Member
by SALGLESSER＠aol.com 17 Dec '13

17 Dec '13

I'm with Doug. Good idea to have a permanent user friendly boarding ladder on a small sailboat. It can be very difficult to get back onto a small sailboat if one falls off. Clothing, shock, etc. all make it harder to get back onboard. Just placing your foot into the lowest rung of the ladder can be difficult. On the Sage 17, a boarding ladder is standard equipment as we believe it is a life saving piece of equipment. sal In a message dated 12/17/2013 9:01:51 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, doug1kelch(a)gmail.com writes: Kevin, Put in a permanent swim ladder as it is an essential safety item. If you ever fall overboard you cannot get back on board without it. In the cold spring waters where you sail hypothermia is deadly within a very short time. You are incapcitated well before you die, thus ensuring your death. :-) If you want, I can send you instructions on how to install a transom mounted ladder without cutting large holes and installing inspection ports. Thanks Doug Kelch Seas the Day M15 G #310 Doug On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 8:32 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> wrote: > Kevin, > I managed to lift my M-15 off the trailer using a 4X4 aft of the > keel/center board housing, a floor jack and jack stands. Next time I will > pay the fee for the boat lift at the local boat yard. > I think West Marine (the big box store for boat stuff on the West > Coast) carries a rope ladder that be tossed over the transom so you will > not need to drill holes in your M-15. Set your hook before go swimming, > my M-15 drifted on the current faster than I could keep up to swimming, > and I was a triathalon swimmer at the time. > Good luck > Steve > M-15 # 335 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kearns, Kevin P" <kkearns(a)pitt.edu> > To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 11:55 AM > Subject: M_Boats: New Member > > > Hi Everyone, > > In the spring I purchased a 1993 Montgomery 15 in near mint condition. I > enjoyed sailing her all summer on Lake Arthur about 40 miles north of > Pittsburgh. I've sailed nearly all my life and have owned several boats > (Flying Scot, C Scow, Capri 22, O'Day Daysailer, Compac 16). I'm really > very pleased with the M-15. She is all that I hoped for and more. I'm > looking forward to following posts on the forum and learning more about my > boat. > > I have two questions: > > > 1. I'd like to raise the boat off the trailer (just a few inches > would do) to apply antifouling paint to the portion of the hull that rests > on the trailer bunks. I saw a few pictures that involved lifting the > entire trailer, then bracing the boat and dropping the trailer. I don't > feel comfortable doing that. Does anyone have another idea? I may just go > to a marina and rent a lift. > > > 2. I want to swim off the boat, but I'm really reluctant to drill > holes in the transom for a permanent swim ladder. Can anyone recommend one > of those removable ladders that hook over the rear coaming? > > Thanks. As I look out my office window at the grey Pittsburgh winter, my > thoughts turn to sailing. > > Best wishes, > Kevin Kearns > Pittsburgh, PA > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3462 / Virus Database: 3658/6923 - Release Date: 12/15/13 > >

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Re: M_Boats: Oars/Sweeps for M17?
by bownez＠juno.com 16 Dec '13

16 Dec '13

I have a sweep for my M17. The few times I experimented, all I did was fishtail back and forth with little forward motion. I think it can work, I just don't have the correct swagger.... Bones ____________________________________________________________ How Cruise Lines Fill All Those Unsold Cabins? (HINT: You will want to book a cruise after you read this...) http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/52afd0bc10f3e50bb51efst04vuc

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Re: M_Boats: Gotta love these fireside chats; sorry M-boats don't make good ice boats!
by nebwest2＠aol.com 15 Dec '13

15 Dec '13

Seable says...."So if you have had enough slaloms under London Bridge...."???? Sean Says.... Heck No!!! We haven't!!! LOL The slaloms will continue! 2015 Bigger and Better than ever!:-) I'd LOVE to sail there!....I just don't want to SAIL (to) there! LOL Unfortunately the highway that my 65mph trailersailor travels on to get to it's next cruising destination is apparently still under construction! :-)Sean

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