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Re: M_Boats: More restoration work on the M-23
by Bruce Ward 01 Jul '14

01 Jul '14

Robbin, great effort to get you boat back in order! I'm working on getting my new to me M 23 Clarity that I got from Jeff. please contact me off list to commiserate about the 23 if you like Sent from my iP

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Re: M_Boats: More restoration work on the M-23
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 29 Jun '14

29 Jun '14

Go Robbin Go! I haven't been following the board to closely lately... kinda busy with the other boat and the Texas 200 stuff....just checked in....WOW you are making great progress...and yes,,,, you know after you get her back sailing again...all the pain will have been worth it! And you know I am qualified to tell you that!!!! :-) Sean M23" Daunltess" M17 #44 Paradox "Scout"

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Musings
by Conbert Benneck 26 Jun '14

26 Jun '14

Hi gang, I wrote this for someone else, but thought that you might find it interesting too. --------------------------------- Your interest in becoming a rag sailor (power boat owners are call stink potters by rag sailors ) will have you opening a new book that leads to a life-time of learning a whole series of new specialty subjects. It starts with the know-how of basic sailing, but as soon as you have mastered that you are off, into a whole new world of sailor-specific topics and knowledge. - Weather, and weather forecasting: and what do weather maps tell you? ... is it safe to undertake the planned trip? .... or should you wait till the front has passed? - Sails: since they are your power source, how can you get the most out of them? Additional sail controls? How do they work, and what do they do for sail shape? - Sail maintenance and repair. If a sail tears you have to be able to fix it. (sailor's palm / sail needles / waxed thread / scissors / sailor's knife) - Anchoring: This is a skill that is hard to learn, because you can't see the bottom where your anchor is looking for a holding spot, but it is _/*not*/_ just drop the anchor and hope for the best, keeping your fingers crossed that the anchor holds. To be safely at anchor, you have to KNOW that your anchor is holding properly. That becomes the art / science of anchoring, gained the hard way.... - Boat maintenance / painting / modifications / improvements. Each requires accumulated knowledge to be applied to the problem at hand. You have to learn knots; and where they are used and why; you have to learn how to splice lines; it is part of being the self-sufficient sailor. - Navigation. Just how do you get from A to B, or is it better to get to B by going via C? Wind directions / tide status: incoming or outgoing? with you or against you? .... GPS is fine, and very useful, but what do you do if the batteries are dead, or if you drop the GPS into the water and it no longer works? What then? That is why you need a chart, a compass, and know how to use them. Fog is something that you encounter on the water. Can you sail / motor in the fog and reach your destination safely? Do you know where you are located, or are you just guessing? Eventually, as you stretch distances and new places you wish to explore you will have to learn to sail at night: what do the flashing lights on buoys tell you? Can you identify lighthouses? It is a step-by-step learning process; the more you sail the more you learn; and the more you know, the further you want to go. - On the water you meet maritime birds: the gulls and terns, the cormorants; and the things living in the water. You see a fin sticking out of the water. What are they? ...or in Florida you may sail with a manatee, or large turtles, or spot alligators sunning themselves on a river bank. - Sailing on a small boat also influences your thinking. You have to ask yourself is this large item I want on the boat worth the storage space it requires? . ..or can I find a smaller version that does the same job better and requires less space? You will find that line of thinking will also apply at home. - Maritime history: That is another subject you find yourself immersed in. It is why Brazil speaks Portuguese and the rest of South America speaks Spanish. Why? Well, back around 1494, Portugal and Spain each were claiming ownership to half the world. It was finally settled by a Treaty of Tordesillas, brokered by the Pope, that gave Spain the western half of the world, and Portugal (who already knew their way out to the East Indies -Indonesia) the eastern half. The line that was drawn through the Atlantic Ocean gave the South American bulge, which is now Brazil to the Portuguese, while what remained became owned by Spain. This is also the reason why other countries went off looking for a route to the East Indies (to get to the very lucrative spice trade - controlled by the Portuguese) -Columbus went west; Henry Hudson went north; someone else tried to go over the top of Russia and got stranded in the winter ice and escaped on foot back to Europe.... They all were trying to get around the Pope's Treaty dividing up the world between Spain and Portugal. They wanted their part of the wealth too. You are thinking of entering a new world through sailing. Open the door, start learning, and enjoy it for your whole lifetime. It is a never ending learning process that is always fun and interesting. Connie -

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Mast light cable
by Rick Davies 24 Jun '14

24 Jun '14

Recently I rebedded the mast tabernacle on my M17. I caulked heavily around the electrical cable coming up through the compression post so that it emerged vertical, held by the caulking. When I raised the mast, however, the cable got caught under the mast lip and shorted out the masthead lights. I lowered and raised the mast again, placing the cable where I thought this wouldn't happen, but was unable to get the mast up without pinching the cable. Never had this problem before, and I wondered if it's something to do locking the cable in a vertical position. Has anyone encountered this problem, and if so, what's the solution? If I need to replace the cable, can I pull it down through the compression post from below? The cable for the cabin lights is in there too, so it doesn't look too easy. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Rick M17 #633 Lynne L

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How to access pictures
by janisaz＠comcast.net 21 Jun '14

21 Jun '14

Have been reading this blog for a couple of years now, but have never been able to access any pictures submitted. This may be another technie issue, but any suggestions are appreciated. Janis Montgomery 17 ----- Original Message ----- From: "montgomery boats-request" montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com To: "montgomery boats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2014 7:48:53 AM Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 136, Issue 8 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Got the centerboard down! (Dave Scobie) 2. Pocket Yacht Palooza Re: Do I need new sails (stevetrapp) 3. Thru-Hull drilling (Ronald McNeil) 4. Re: Thru-Hull drilling (Sandy) 5. Re: Thru-Hull drilling (Larry Yake) 6. Re: Got the centerboard down! (wcampion(a)aol.com) 7. Re: Thru-Hull drilling (Ronald McNeil) 8. Re: Thru-Hull drilling (Dave Scobie) 9. Re: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails (Thomas Buzzi) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 19:52:33 -0600 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Got the centerboard down! Message-ID: <CAGjBOA4p9DH=g8uLhtQH0Jc1J9bqmC1jrJJghQGoM23q6oY44g(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 The pin isn't really tapered, it may have been peined on the starboard side after it was put into the boat. Pound out the rotation pin port to starboard. Put the pin back in starboard to port. Be sure to support the board as you remove the pin. This will make it easier to get the pin out. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA :: Former M15 owner On Jun 15, 2014 7:47 PM, "Tyler Backman" <casioqv(a)usermail.com> wrote: > I got the stuck centerboard on my M15 out with a puller (see photos) based > on a design by Jim Sadler. The board was really stuck, and hammering down a > rod from the top did nothing. Rusting seems to have drastically increased > it's thickness. I wish I had tried this puller right from the beginning. > > Now which way do I hammer out the pivot pin? Does it matter? I heard once > that it's tapered on one end, but I don't know which. > > Sincerely, > Tyler > '81 M15 #157 "Defiant" > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 19:09:25 -0700 From: "stevetrapp" <stevetrapp(a)q.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Pocket Yacht Palooza Re: Do I need new sails Message-ID: <93AC2150E1C8434B9A5144A80B22E481@STEVEEW> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Klaas, Checked my British Columbia map and see that you're on the Strait of Georgia on the Vancouver side. There is an active M-boat community to your south, on Puget Sound. I suggest visiting the Pocket Yacht Palooza at Port Townsend on July 19 - 20. You could sail, or drive around, or take the Victoria Ferry across. There will be other M-boaters there with their boats, as well as vendors, probably including sail makers. I plan to drive, too far from the South end of Puget Sound to sail my M-15. Steve M-15 # 335 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Klaas" <santaklaas(a)telus.net> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 6:02 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails > Thanks to all that replied to my question about geting new sails . Someone > asked where I sail and I'm living and sailing out of Richmond B.C. so I > hope to find a local sailmaker . > Thanks once again to all that answered > KLaas > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> > To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 4:17 PM > Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 136, Issue 6 > > >> Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Do I need new sails (jerry montgomery) >> 2. Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails >> (stevetrapp) >> 3. Re: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails >> (Thomas Buzzi) >> 4. Re: Do I need new sails (Thomas Buzzi) >> 5. Re: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails >> (Rich Makela) >> 6. Mast gates (Thomas Buzzi) >> 7. Re: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails >> (Thomas Buzzi) >> 8. Re: Mast gates (Dave Scobie) >> 9. Re: Mast gates (Thomas Buzzi) >> 10. Re: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails >> (Dave Scobie) >> 11. Re: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails >> (Dave Scobie) >> 12. Re: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails >> (Thomas Buzzi) >> 13. Re: Do I need new sails (Daniel Rich) >> 14. Re: Mast gates (Rick Davies) >> 15. Re: Do I need new sails (Dave Scobie) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 11:27:47 -0700 >> From: "jerry montgomery" <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> >> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" >> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails >> Message-ID: <E9520C239F8148D8B9ED117C279EB144@jerryws10> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format="flowed"; charset="windows-1252"; >> reply-type="original" >> >> All the 15's that I made had the same rig. i can't speak for more recent >> production. I've heard that masts are longer now, but I haven't measured >> one. >> >> jerry >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Daniel Rich" <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> >> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" >> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 9:29 AM >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails >> >> >> Yup. You need new sails. And sails for the M15 are quite reasonably >> priced. >> I got mine from JudyB at Hyde. She did a fantastic job. Measurements are >> key, as all these older M boats can have some slight differences. New >> sails >> change the boat so much you won?t believe it. >> >> Which reminds me, Judy, I owe you some money and some sails! >> >> >> >> Daniel Rich >> M15 #208 "Kestrel" >> danielgrich(a)gmail.com >> >> >> >> On Jun 15, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Klaas <santaklaas(a)telus.net> wrote: >> >>> Hi I know this question has been asked before But can't recall the advise >>> that was given. So here it is: I have a 1985 M15 for about 3 years and I >>> just started noticing that the main hangs down about 4 inches at the >>> back. >>> Is this normal or are my 29 year old sails done for and I need new sails? >>> Also where can I find out the sail dimensions for my 1985 M15 is there a >>> web page somewhere ?? >>> Thanks >>> Klaas >> >> >> >> -- >> I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. >> SPAMfighter has removed 11081 of my spam emails to date. >> Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len >> >> Do you have a slow PC? Try a Free scan >> http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 11:28:55 -0700 >> From: "stevetrapp" <stevetrapp(a)q.com> >> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" >> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: M_Boats: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new >> sails >> Message-ID: <176546BFFE574B578D72B66BC94EBCE6@STEVEEW> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; >> reply-type=original >> >> I have been getting "Delivery Status Notification" >> indicating that what I send to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >> is not working, but I also get replies from M-boat folks like you, so I >> guess it really is working. I do not understand the techy stuff involved. >> I think if I get replies the techy stuff is doing something. Frankly I do >> not trust a lot of techy stuff, which is among the reasons I like my M-15, >> not much techy stuff to do with it or to go wrong. >> Steve >> M-15 # 335 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> >> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" >> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 9:47 AM >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails >> >> >> Daniel, >> As long as you are considering new sails, look into having the main made >> as >> a loose footed one. The tack and clew will have to be reinforced more than >> the usual and you will need to install a bit better mechanical advantage >> on >> the outhaul fittings as you will be using it to trim the draft on the main >> but the boost in performance is said to be considerable. I am looking at >> new sails for the M17 I have and am seriously considering going the loose >> footed route. >> Please reply to this email as I have concerns that my missives to this >> website are not getting through to anybody. >> Thanks, >> Tom B, M17, 1978 >> >> >> On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Yup. You need new sails. And sails for the M15 are quite reasonably >>> priced. I got mine from JudyB at Hyde. She did a fantastic job. >>> Measurements are key, as all these older M boats can have some slight >>> differences. New sails change the boat so much you won?t believe it. >>> >>> Which reminds me, Judy, I owe you some money and some sails! >>> >>> >>> >>> Daniel Rich >>> M15 #208 "Kestrel" >>> danielgrich(a)gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jun 15, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Klaas <santaklaas(a)telus.net> wrote: >>> >>> > Hi I know this question has been asked before But can't recall the >>> advise that was given. So here it is: I have a 1985 M15 for about 3 years >>> and I just started noticing that the main hangs down about 4 inches at >>> the >>> back. Is this normal or are my 29 year old sails done for and I need new >>> sails? Also where can I find out the sail dimensions for my 1985 M15 is >>> there a web page somewhere ?? >>> > Thanks >>> > Klaas >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 14:26:18 -0500 >> From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new >> sails >> Message-ID: >> <CA+TbpAWzhwg4xaBTTVHaHh2A3-LcCXQqzX7rFiHda3BTvToACw(a)mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> Thanks for the feedback Steve. Ditto on the "techy stuff". I also get the >> xmissions trouble notification stuff. Very perturbing since this in one of >> my favorite sites to kibitz on. >> Tom B. very low tech M17 #258 >> >> >> On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 1:28 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> wrote: >> >>> I have been getting "Delivery Status Notification" >>> indicating that what I send to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >>> is not working, but I also get replies from M-boat folks like you, so I >>> guess it really is working. I do not understand the techy stuff >>> involved. >>> I think if I get replies the techy stuff is doing something. Frankly I >>> do >>> not trust a lot of techy stuff, which is among the reasons I like my >>> M-15, >>> not much techy stuff to do with it or to go wrong. >>> Steve >>> M-15 # 335 >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Buzzi" >>> <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> >>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman. >>> xmission.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 9:47 AM >>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails >>> >>> >>> Daniel, >>> As long as you are considering new sails, look into having the main made >>> as >>> a loose footed one. The tack and clew will have to be reinforced more >>> than >>> the usual and you will need to install a bit better mechanical advantage >>> on >>> the outhaul fittings as you will be using it to trim the draft on the >>> main >>> but the boost in performance is said to be considerable. I am looking at >>> new sails for the M17 I have and am seriously considering going the loose >>> footed route. >>> Please reply to this email as I have concerns that my missives to this >>> website are not getting through to anybody. >>> Thanks, >>> Tom B, M17, 1978 >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Yup. You need new sails. And sails for the M15 are quite reasonably >>>> priced. I got mine from JudyB at Hyde. She did a fantastic job. >>>> Measurements are key, as all these older M boats can have some slight >>>> differences. New sails change the boat so much you won?t believe it. >>>> >>>> Which reminds me, Judy, I owe you some money and some sails! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Daniel Rich >>>> M15 #208 "Kestrel" >>>> danielgrich(a)gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jun 15, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Klaas <santaklaas(a)telus.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> > Hi I know this question has been asked before But can't recall the >>>> advise that was given. So here it is: I have a 1985 M15 for about 3 >>>> years >>>> and I just started noticing that the main hangs down about 4 inches at >>>> the >>>> back. Is this normal or are my 29 year old sails done for and I need new >>>> sails? Also where can I find out the sail dimensions for my 1985 M15 is >>>> there a web page somewhere ?? >>>> > Thanks >>>> > Klaas >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 14:43:43 -0500 >> From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails >> Message-ID: >> <CA+TbpAVHZcVh=583xS+yCUnMrT5M3-atPfkHQQJkRgZ7O920Fg(a)mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> Daniel, >> thanks for the performance report. >> Tom B >> >> >> On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I have the new sails. They are loose footed, and that is the way to go. >>> Much more control of the trim, and just looks pretty too. The Hyde sails >>> are really well made, and have fittings on them that would work for a >>> larger boat. Truly well done. I also have draft stripes on them to help >>> me >>> visualize shape. >>> >>> My message was a bit confusing because what happened when I ordered my >>> sails is that the main fit perfectly, but the jib was too big. We just >>> messed up on the detail needed for the measurements. JudyB was terrific, >>> and remade the jib for me. I also got a 90 and a 128 percent jib. I still >>> have to send her back the ones that don?t fit, and I got an extra sail so >>> I >>> want to pay her for that. >>> >>> Daniel >>> On Jun 15, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> > Daniel, >>> > As long as you are considering new sails, look into having the main >>> > made >>> as >>> > a loose footed one. The tack and clew will have to be reinforced more >>> than >>> > the usual and you will need to install a bit better mechanical >>> > advantage >>> on >>> > the outhaul fittings as you will be using it to trim the draft on the >>> main >>> > but the boost in performance is said to be considerable. I am looking >>> > at >>> > new sails for the M17 I have and am seriously considering going the >>> > loose >>> > footed route. >>> > Please reply to this email as I have concerns that my missives to this >>> > website are not getting through to anybody. >>> > Thanks, >>> > Tom B, M17, 1978 >>> > >>> > >>> > On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> >> Yup. You need new sails. And sails for the M15 are quite reasonably >>> >> priced. I got mine from JudyB at Hyde. She did a fantastic job. >>> >> Measurements are key, as all these older M boats can have some slight >>> >> differences. New sails change the boat so much you won?t believe it. >>> >> >>> >> Which reminds me, Judy, I owe you some money and some sails! >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Daniel Rich >>> >> M15 #208 "Kestrel" >>> >> danielgrich(a)gmail.com >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Jun 15, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Klaas <santaklaas(a)telus.net> wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> Hi I know this question has been asked before But can't recall the >>> >> advise that was given. So here it is: I have a 1985 M15 for about 3 >>> years >>> >> and I just started noticing that the main hangs down about 4 inches at >>> the >>> >> back. Is this normal or are my 29 year old sails done for and I need >>> >> new >>> >> sails? Also where can I find out the sail dimensions for my 1985 M15 >>> >> is >>> >> there a web page somewhere ?? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Klaas >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 15:29:06 -0500 >> From: "Rich Makela" <richmak(a)makelaperformance.com> >> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" >> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new >> sails >> Message-ID: <003601cf88d8$7686c150$639443f0$(a)makelaperformance.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> I received a Delivery Status Notification for the message I sent just >> after noon today. The Delivery Status Notification arrived a few minutes >> after my message showed up on the forum. The message comes from >> system-user(a)mms.mycricket.com . I had the same thing happen on June 4. >> I've never seen this kind of thing before. A Google search revealed that >> mms.mycrickiet.com may not even be a legitimate URL. >> >> Rich Makela >> M-17 #233 - Harmony >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: montgomery_boats >> [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas >> Buzzi >> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 2:26 PM >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails >> >> Thanks for the feedback Steve. Ditto on the "techy stuff". I also get the >> xmissions trouble notification stuff. Very perturbing since this in one of >> my favorite sites to kibitz on. >> Tom B. very low tech M17 #258 >> >> >> On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 1:28 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> wrote: >> >>> I have been getting "Delivery Status Notification" >>> indicating that what I send to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >>> is not working, but I also get replies from M-boat folks like you, so >>> I guess it really is working. I do not understand the techy stuff >>> involved. >>> I think if I get replies the techy stuff is doing something. Frankly >>> I do not trust a lot of techy stuff, which is among the reasons I like >>> my M-15, not much techy stuff to do with it or to go wrong. >>> Steve >>> M-15 # 335 >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Buzzi" >>> <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> >>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman. >>> xmission.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 9:47 AM >>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails >>> >>> >>> Daniel, >>> As long as you are considering new sails, look into having the main >>> made as a loose footed one. The tack and clew will have to be >>> reinforced more than the usual and you will need to install a bit >>> better mechanical advantage on the outhaul fittings as you will be >>> using it to trim the draft on the main but the boost in performance is >>> said to be considerable. I am looking at new sails for the M17 I have >>> and am seriously considering going the loose footed route. >>> Please reply to this email as I have concerns that my missives to this >>> website are not getting through to anybody. >>> Thanks, >>> Tom B, M17, 1978 >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Yup. You need new sails. And sails for the M15 are quite reasonably >>>> priced. I got mine from JudyB at Hyde. She did a fantastic job. >>>> Measurements are key, as all these older M boats can have some slight >>>> differences. New sails change the boat so much you won?t believe it. >>>> >>>> Which reminds me, Judy, I owe you some money and some sails! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Daniel Rich >>>> M15 #208 "Kestrel" >>>> danielgrich(a)gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jun 15, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Klaas <santaklaas(a)telus.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> > Hi I know this question has been asked before But can't recall the >>>> advise that was given. So here it is: I have a 1985 M15 for about 3 >>>> years and I just started noticing that the main hangs down about 4 >>>> inches at the back. Is this normal or are my 29 year old sails done >>>> for and I need new sails? Also where can I find out the sail >>>> dimensions for my 1985 M15 is there a web page somewhere ?? >>>> > Thanks >>>> > Klaas >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 15:32:56 -0500 >> From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> >> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >> Subject: M_Boats: Mast gates >> Message-ID: >> <CA+TbpAXJgUVtv3GUhbWn9W96GF0O1raKeQGY0WHq+BaHZWq=yQ(a)mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> After getting the brochure about the Mastgate product line of products I >> was surprised to find that the mastgate itself is held in place with just >> shock cord. Has anybody installed one of these and found it to withstand >> the various strains and pressures placed upon it such that it didn't dent >> or pop out of place or malfunction in any other fashion? >> Would like to hear about your experiences with this product. >> Thanks, >> Tom B >> M17, #258 >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 15:37:01 -0500 >> From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new >> sails >> Message-ID: >> <CA+TbpAUcjLj3D1DBsTwz4dAq6AnPAoVPGqdUs4fqrdPGqHMgAQ(a)mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> Rich, >> I just went through the process of unsubscribing and resubscribing to >> this >> site to try to clear up this kind of problem. Annoying to say the least. >> Do you think there is some sort of hacking or just plain mucking around >> going on?? >> I also just sent in a request to the members concerning the "Mastgate" >> product being all it is claimed to be. Be interesting to see if that shows >> up and how it goes. >> Tom B >> >> >> On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Rich Makela >> <richmak(a)makelaperformance.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I received a Delivery Status Notification for the message I sent just >>> after noon today. The Delivery Status Notification arrived a few minutes >>> after my message showed up on the forum. The message comes from >>> system-user(a)mms.mycricket.com . I had the same thing happen on June 4. >>> I've never seen this kind of thing before. A Google search revealed >>> that >>> mms.mycrickiet.com may not even be a legitimate URL. >>> >>> Rich Makela >>> M-17 #233 - Harmony >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: montgomery_boats [mailto: >>> montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi >>> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 2:26 PM >>> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new >>> sails >>> >>> Thanks for the feedback Steve. Ditto on the "techy stuff". I also get the >>> xmissions trouble notification stuff. Very perturbing since this in one >>> of >>> my favorite sites to kibitz on. >>> Tom B. very low tech M17 #258 >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 1:28 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> wrote: >>> >>> > I have been getting "Delivery Status Notification" >>> > indicating that what I send to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >>> > is not working, but I also get replies from M-boat folks like you, so >>> > I guess it really is working. I do not understand the techy stuff >>> involved. >>> > I think if I get replies the techy stuff is doing something. Frankly >>> > I do not trust a lot of techy stuff, which is among the reasons I like >>> > my M-15, not much techy stuff to do with it or to go wrong. >>> > Steve >>> > M-15 # 335 >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Buzzi" >>> > <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> >>> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman. >>> > xmission.com> >>> > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 9:47 AM >>> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails >>> > >>> > >>> > Daniel, >>> > As long as you are considering new sails, look into having the main >>> > made as a loose footed one. The tack and clew will have to be >>> > reinforced more than the usual and you will need to install a bit >>> > better mechanical advantage on the outhaul fittings as you will be >>> > using it to trim the draft on the main but the boost in performance is >>> > said to be considerable. I am looking at new sails for the M17 I have >>> > and am seriously considering going the loose footed route. >>> > Please reply to this email as I have concerns that my missives to this >>> > website are not getting through to anybody. >>> > Thanks, >>> > Tom B, M17, 1978 >>> > >>> > >>> > On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> > Yup. You need new sails. And sails for the M15 are quite reasonably >>> >> priced. I got mine from JudyB at Hyde. She did a fantastic job. >>> >> Measurements are key, as all these older M boats can have some slight >>> >> differences. New sails change the boat so much you won?t believe it. >>> >> >>> >> Which reminds me, Judy, I owe you some money and some sails! >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Daniel Rich >>> >> M15 #208 "Kestrel" >>> >> danielgrich(a)gmail.com >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Jun 15, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Klaas <santaklaas(a)telus.net> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> > Hi I know this question has been asked before But can't recall the >>> >> advise that was given. So here it is: I have a 1985 M15 for about 3 >>> >> years and I just started noticing that the main hangs down about 4 >>> >> inches at the back. Is this normal or are my 29 year old sails done >>> >> for and I need new sails? Also where can I find out the sail >>> >> dimensions for my 1985 M15 is there a web page somewhere ?? >>> >> > Thanks >>> >> > Klaas >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 8 >> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 14:37:58 -0600 >> From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mast gates >> Message-ID: >> <CAGjBOA4Q218LcOFramzoPAuRirtL8wUq90toEzmzrdzqbAQVEQ(a)mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> I installed one on Sal's and Gail's m15 a couple of years ago when I built >> them a new standing rig. It has worked just fine. >> >> I have also installed the mastgate on a half dozen sage 17's and all are >> working fine. I'm installing a mastgate on a brand new sage 17 in the next >> couple of weeks. >> >> Give Tom a call, or email, and he can describe the system in detail. Very >> easy to install, and it works great. >> >> :: Dave Scobie >> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA >> :: Former M15 owner >> On Jun 15, 2014 2:33 PM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> After getting the brochure about the Mastgate product line of products I >>> was surprised to find that the mastgate itself is held in place with just >>> shock cord. Has anybody installed one of these and found it to withstand >>> the various strains and pressures placed upon it such that it didn't dent >>> or pop out of place or malfunction in any other fashion? >>> Would like to hear about your experiences with this product. >>> Thanks, >>> Tom B >>> M17, #258 >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 9 >> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 15:40:40 -0500 >> From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mast gates >> Message-ID: >> <CA+TbpAUQmdbx9vS_VciSb0tPLKfJfS_T9VZ5gyiXMqXxwB=B_w(a)mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> Thanks, Dave, >> Good news. Guess that goes on my "todo" list. >> Tom B >> >> >> On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I installed one on Sal's and Gail's m15 a couple of years ago when I >>> built >>> them a new standing rig. It has worked just fine. >>> >>> I have also installed the mastgate on a half dozen sage 17's and all are >>> working fine. I'm installing a mastgate on a brand new sage 17 in the >>> next >>> couple of weeks. >>> >>> Give Tom a call, or email, and he can describe the system in detail. Very >>> easy to install, and it works great. >>> >>> :: Dave Scobie >>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA >>> :: Former M15 owner >>> On Jun 15, 2014 2:33 PM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> > After getting the brochure about the Mastgate product line of products >>> > I >>> > was surprised to find that the mastgate itself is held in place with >>> > just >>> > shock cord. Has anybody installed one of these and found it to >>> > withstand >>> > the various strains and pressures placed upon it such that it didn't >>> > dent >>> > or pop out of place or malfunction in any other fashion? >>> > Would like to hear about your experiences with this product. >>> > Thanks, >>> > Tom B >>> > M17, #258 >>> > >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 10 >> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 14:41:45 -0600 >> From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new >> sails >> Message-ID: >> <CAGjBOA6AZxX6TknXEnBT85D=tWZcwPZNix3GkGxXuOpLJ0aMxw(a)mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> This error message relates to problems with this older listproc software >> and newer email provider protocols (such as yahoo.com, gmail.com, AOL.com) >> are using. I had to give up using yahoo.com email and use Gmail. It has >> worked .... mostly. >> >> :: Dave Scobie >> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA >> :: Former M15 owner >> On Jun 15, 2014 2:37 PM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Rich, >>> I just went through the process of unsubscribing and resubscribing to >>> this >>> site to try to clear up this kind of problem. Annoying to say the least. >>> Do you think there is some sort of hacking or just plain mucking around >>> going on?? >>> I also just sent in a request to the members concerning the "Mastgate" >>> product being all it is claimed to be. Be interesting to see if that >>> shows >>> up and how it goes. >>> Tom B >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Rich Makela < >>> richmak(a)makelaperformance.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> > I received a Delivery Status Notification for the message I sent just >>> > after noon today. The Delivery Status Notification arrived a few >>> > minutes >>> > after my message showed up on the forum. The message comes from >>> > system-user(a)mms.mycricket.com . I had the same thing happen on June 4. >>> > I've never seen this kind of thing before. A Google search revealed >>> that >>> > mms.mycrickiet.com may not even be a legitimate URL. >>> > >>> > Rich Makela >>> > M-17 #233 - Harmony >>> > >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: montgomery_boats [mailto: >>> > montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas >>> > Buzzi >>> > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 2:26 PM >>> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >>> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new >>> sails >>> > >>> > Thanks for the feedback Steve. Ditto on the "techy stuff". I also get >>> > the >>> > xmissions trouble notification stuff. Very perturbing since this in one >>> of >>> > my favorite sites to kibitz on. >>> > Tom B. very low tech M17 #258 >>> > >>> > >>> > On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 1:28 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> wrote: >>> > >>> > > I have been getting "Delivery Status Notification" >>> > > indicating that what I send to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >>> > > is not working, but I also get replies from M-boat folks like you, so >>> > > I guess it really is working. I do not understand the techy stuff >>> > involved. >>> > > I think if I get replies the techy stuff is doing something. Frankly >>> > > I do not trust a lot of techy stuff, which is among the reasons I >>> > > like >>> > > my M-15, not much techy stuff to do with it or to go wrong. >>> > > Steve >>> > > M-15 # 335 >>> > > >>> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Buzzi" >>> > > <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> >>> > > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman. >>> > > xmission.com> >>> > > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 9:47 AM >>> > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Daniel, >>> > > As long as you are considering new sails, look into having the main >>> > > made as a loose footed one. The tack and clew will have to be >>> > > reinforced more than the usual and you will need to install a bit >>> > > better mechanical advantage on the outhaul fittings as you will be >>> > > using it to trim the draft on the main but the boost in performance >>> > > is >>> > > said to be considerable. I am looking at new sails for the M17 I have >>> > > and am seriously considering going the loose footed route. >>> > > Please reply to this email as I have concerns that my missives to >>> > > this >>> > > website are not getting through to anybody. >>> > > Thanks, >>> > > Tom B, M17, 1978 >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> >>> > > wrote: >>> > > >>> > > Yup. You need new sails. And sails for the M15 are quite reasonably >>> > >> priced. I got mine from JudyB at Hyde. She did a fantastic job. >>> > >> Measurements are key, as all these older M boats can have some >>> > >> slight >>> > >> differences. New sails change the boat so much you won?t believe it. >>> > >> >>> > >> Which reminds me, Judy, I owe you some money and some sails! >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> Daniel Rich >>> > >> M15 #208 "Kestrel" >>> > >> danielgrich(a)gmail.com >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> On Jun 15, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Klaas <santaklaas(a)telus.net> wrote: >>> > >> >>> > >> > Hi I know this question has been asked before But can't recall the >>> > >> advise that was given. So here it is: I have a 1985 M15 for about 3 >>> > >> years and I just started noticing that the main hangs down about 4 >>> > >> inches at the back. Is this normal or are my 29 year old sails done >>> > >> for and I need new sails? Also where can I find out the sail >>> > >> dimensions for my 1985 M15 is there a web page somewhere ?? >>> > >> > Thanks >>> > >> > Klaas >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 11 >> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 14:47:15 -0600 >> From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new >> sails >> Message-ID: >> <CAGjBOA71SWmohrAbq89Hw5CFEfSO=Ez1ziYA-VdHGixMF_nv6g(a)mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> And as an example, the email I sent just a bit ago about the mastgate was >> listed as being 'unable to deliver' ... though it was delivered. >> >> :: Dave Scobie >> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA >> :: Former M15 owner >> On Jun 15, 2014 2:41 PM, "Dave Scobie" <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> This error message relates to problems with this older listproc software >>> and newer email provider protocols (such as yahoo.com, gmail.com, >>> AOL.com) are using. I had to give up using yahoo.com email and use Gmail. >>> It has worked .... mostly. >>> >>> :: Dave Scobie >>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA >>> :: Former M15 owner >>> On Jun 15, 2014 2:37 PM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Rich, >>>> I just went through the process of unsubscribing and resubscribing to >>>> this >>>> site to try to clear up this kind of problem. Annoying to say the >>>> least. >>>> Do you think there is some sort of hacking or just plain mucking around >>>> going on?? >>>> I also just sent in a request to the members concerning the "Mastgate" >>>> product being all it is claimed to be. Be interesting to see if that >>>> shows >>>> up and how it goes. >>>> Tom B >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Rich Makela < >>>> richmak(a)makelaperformance.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> > I received a Delivery Status Notification for the message I sent just >>>> > after noon today. The Delivery Status Notification arrived a few >>>> minutes >>>> > after my message showed up on the forum. The message comes from >>>> > system-user(a)mms.mycricket.com . I had the same thing happen on June >>>> > 4. >>>> > I've never seen this kind of thing before. A Google search revealed >>>> that >>>> > mms.mycrickiet.com may not even be a legitimate URL. >>>> > >>>> > Rich Makela >>>> > M-17 #233 - Harmony >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>> > From: montgomery_boats [mailto: >>>> > montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas >>>> Buzzi >>>> > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 2:26 PM >>>> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >>>> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new >>>> sails >>>> > >>>> > Thanks for the feedback Steve. Ditto on the "techy stuff". I also get >>>> the >>>> > xmissions trouble notification stuff. Very perturbing since this in >>>> > one >>>> of >>>> > my favorite sites to kibitz on. >>>> > Tom B. very low tech M17 #258 >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 1:28 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > > I have been getting "Delivery Status Notification" >>>> > > indicating that what I send to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >>>> > > is not working, but I also get replies from M-boat folks like you, >>>> > > so >>>> > > I guess it really is working. I do not understand the techy stuff >>>> > involved. >>>> > > I think if I get replies the techy stuff is doing something. >>>> > > Frankly >>>> > > I do not trust a lot of techy stuff, which is among the reasons I >>>> > > like >>>> > > my M-15, not much techy stuff to do with it or to go wrong. >>>> > > Steve >>>> > > M-15 # 335 >>>> > > >>>> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Buzzi" >>>> > > <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> >>>> > > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman. >>>> > > xmission.com> >>>> > > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 9:47 AM >>>> > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > Daniel, >>>> > > As long as you are considering new sails, look into having the main >>>> > > made as a loose footed one. The tack and clew will have to be >>>> > > reinforced more than the usual and you will need to install a bit >>>> > > better mechanical advantage on the outhaul fittings as you will be >>>> > > using it to trim the draft on the main but the boost in performance >>>> > > is >>>> > > said to be considerable. I am looking at new sails for the M17 I >>>> > > have >>>> > > and am seriously considering going the loose footed route. >>>> > > Please reply to this email as I have concerns that my missives to >>>> > > this >>>> > > website are not getting through to anybody. >>>> > > Thanks, >>>> > > Tom B, M17, 1978 >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Daniel Rich >>>> > > <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> >>>> > > wrote: >>>> > > >>>> > > Yup. You need new sails. And sails for the M15 are quite reasonably >>>> > >> priced. I got mine from JudyB at Hyde. She did a fantastic job. >>>> > >> Measurements are key, as all these older M boats can have some >>>> > >> slight >>>> > >> differences. New sails change the boat so much you won?t believe >>>> > >> it. >>>> > >> >>>> > >> Which reminds me, Judy, I owe you some money and some sails! >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> Daniel Rich >>>> > >> M15 #208 "Kestrel" >>>> > >> danielgrich(a)gmail.com >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> On Jun 15, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Klaas <santaklaas(a)telus.net> wrote: >>>> > >> >>>> > >> > Hi I know this question has been asked before But can't recall >>>> > >> > the >>>> > >> advise that was given. So here it is: I have a 1985 M15 for about 3 >>>> > >> years and I just started noticing that the main hangs down about 4 >>>> > >> inches at the back. Is this normal or are my 29 year old sails done >>>> > >> for and I need new sails? Also where can I find out the sail >>>> > >> dimensions for my 1985 M15 is there a web page somewhere ?? >>>> > >> > Thanks >>>> > >> > Klaas >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 12 >> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 16:06:23 -0500 >> From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new >> sails >> Message-ID: >> <CA+TbpAX3pO8Vm0K0Snjsj7kVOhaLvq_qU9xO5tTEKtUEiikXWg(a)mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> Yes, Dave, I got that message. Fun. >> Tom B >> >> >> On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 3:47 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> And as an example, the email I sent just a bit ago about the mastgate was >>> listed as being 'unable to deliver' ... though it was delivered. >>> >>> :: Dave Scobie >>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA >>> :: Former M15 owner >>> On Jun 15, 2014 2:41 PM, "Dave Scobie" <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> > This error message relates to problems with this older listproc >>> > software >>> > and newer email provider protocols (such as yahoo.com, gmail.com, >>> > AOL.com) are using. I had to give up using yahoo.com email and use >>> Gmail. >>> > It has worked .... mostly. >>> > >>> > :: Dave Scobie >>> > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA >>> > :: Former M15 owner >>> > On Jun 15, 2014 2:37 PM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> > >>> >> Rich, >>> >> I just went through the process of unsubscribing and resubscribing to >>> >> this >>> >> site to try to clear up this kind of problem. Annoying to say the >>> least. >>> >> Do you think there is some sort of hacking or just plain mucking >>> >> around >>> >> going on?? >>> >> I also just sent in a request to the members concerning the "Mastgate" >>> >> product being all it is claimed to be. Be interesting to see if that >>> shows >>> >> up and how it goes. >>> >> Tom B >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Rich Makela < >>> >> richmak(a)makelaperformance.com> >>> >> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> > I received a Delivery Status Notification for the message I sent >>> >> > just >>> >> > after noon today. The Delivery Status Notification arrived a few >>> >> minutes >>> >> > after my message showed up on the forum. The message comes from >>> >> > system-user(a)mms.mycricket.com . I had the same thing happen on June >>> 4. >>> >> > I've never seen this kind of thing before. A Google search >>> >> > revealed >>> >> that >>> >> > mms.mycrickiet.com may not even be a legitimate URL. >>> >> > >>> >> > Rich Makela >>> >> > M-17 #233 - Harmony >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > -----Original Message----- >>> >> > From: montgomery_boats [mailto: >>> >> > montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas >>> >> Buzzi >>> >> > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 2:26 PM >>> >> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >>> >> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new >>> >> sails >>> >> > >>> >> > Thanks for the feedback Steve. Ditto on the "techy stuff". I also >>> >> > get >>> >> the >>> >> > xmissions trouble notification stuff. Very perturbing since this in >>> one >>> >> of >>> >> > my favorite sites to kibitz on. >>> >> > Tom B. very low tech M17 #258 >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 1:28 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> >>> >> > wrote: >>> >> > >>> >> > > I have been getting "Delivery Status Notification" >>> >> > > indicating that what I send to >>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >>> >> > > is not working, but I also get replies from M-boat folks like you, >>> so >>> >> > > I guess it really is working. I do not understand the techy stuff >>> >> > involved. >>> >> > > I think if I get replies the techy stuff is doing something. >>> Frankly >>> >> > > I do not trust a lot of techy stuff, which is among the reasons I >>> like >>> >> > > my M-15, not much techy stuff to do with it or to go wrong. >>> >> > > Steve >>> >> > > M-15 # 335 >>> >> > > >>> >> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Buzzi" >>> >> > > <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> >>> >> > > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" >>> >> > > <montgomery_boats@mailman. >>> >> > > xmission.com> >>> >> > > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 9:47 AM >>> >> > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > Daniel, >>> >> > > As long as you are considering new sails, look into having the >>> >> > > main >>> >> > > made as a loose footed one. The tack and clew will have to be >>> >> > > reinforced more than the usual and you will need to install a bit >>> >> > > better mechanical advantage on the outhaul fittings as you will be >>> >> > > using it to trim the draft on the main but the boost in >>> >> > > performance >>> is >>> >> > > said to be considerable. I am looking at new sails for the M17 I >>> have >>> >> > > and am seriously considering going the loose footed route. >>> >> > > Please reply to this email as I have concerns that my missives to >>> this >>> >> > > website are not getting through to anybody. >>> >> > > Thanks, >>> >> > > Tom B, M17, 1978 >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Daniel Rich < >>> danielgrich(a)gmail.com> >>> >> > > wrote: >>> >> > > >>> >> > > Yup. You need new sails. And sails for the M15 are quite >>> >> > > reasonably >>> >> > >> priced. I got mine from JudyB at Hyde. She did a fantastic job. >>> >> > >> Measurements are key, as all these older M boats can have some >>> slight >>> >> > >> differences. New sails change the boat so much you won?t believe >>> it. >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> Which reminds me, Judy, I owe you some money and some sails! >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> Daniel Rich >>> >> > >> M15 #208 "Kestrel" >>> >> > >> danielgrich(a)gmail.com >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> On Jun 15, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Klaas <santaklaas(a)telus.net> wrote: >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> > Hi I know this question has been asked before But can't recall >>> the >>> >> > >> advise that was given. So here it is: I have a 1985 M15 for about >>> >> > >> 3 >>> >> > >> years and I just started noticing that the main hangs down about >>> >> > >> 4 >>> >> > >> inches at the back. Is this normal or are my 29 year old sails >>> >> > >> done >>> >> > >> for and I need new sails? Also where can I find out the sail >>> >> > >> dimensions for my 1985 M15 is there a web page somewhere ?? >>> >> > >> > Thanks >>> >> > >> > Klaas >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 13 >> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 14:38:16 -0700 >> From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails >> Message-ID: <-7787852396803548498@unknownmsgid> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> Interesting. My 1981 is a stock boat with 3 owners including me. Judy >> got the sail plans from you, but the jib was 6 inches too long! >> >> Daniel >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jun 15, 2014, at 11:27 AM, jerry montgomery >>> <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> wrote: >>> >>> All the 15's that I made had the same rig. i can't speak for more recent >>> production. I've heard that masts are longer now, but I haven't measured >>> one. >>> >>> jerry >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Daniel Rich" <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> >>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" >>> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 9:29 AM >>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails >>> >>> >>> Yup. You need new sails. And sails for the M15 are quite reasonably >>> priced. >>> I got mine from JudyB at Hyde. She did a fantastic job. Measurements are >>> key, as all these older M boats can have some slight differences. New >>> sails >>> change the boat so much you won?t believe it. >>> >>> Which reminds me, Judy, I owe you some money and some sails! >>> >>> >>> >>> Daniel Rich >>> M15 #208 "Kestrel" >>> danielgrich(a)gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Jun 15, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Klaas <santaklaas(a)telus.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi I know this question has been asked before But can't recall the >>>> advise >>>> that was given. So here it is: I have a 1985 M15 for about 3 years and I >>>> just started noticing that the main hangs down about 4 inches at the >>>> back. >>>> Is this normal or are my 29 year old sails done for and I need new >>>> sails? >>>> Also where can I find out the sail dimensions for my 1985 M15 is there a >>>> web page somewhere ?? >>>> Thanks >>>> Klaas >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. >>> SPAMfighter has removed 11081 of my spam emails to date. >>> Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len >>> >>> Do you have a slow PC? Try a Free scan >>> http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 14 >> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 17:57:07 -0400 >> From: Rick Davies <jdavies104(a)gmail.com> >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mast gates >> Message-ID: >> <CA+0OvVjppPn+nVB5xcZ9-tDbnsa28TEdZ_t-qi4ecstap2-FOQ(a)mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> Tom, >> >> I've had one installed for a couple of seasons and it works great. The >> shock cord did lose some of it's zing after a while and I had to tighten >> it >> up, but it's been fine since. I was dubious myself at first, and do carry >> a spare bit of cord just in case, but it's held up well, and it sure beats >> futzing with a sail stop, and it lets me keep the sail on the boom with a >> cover. The buttons that cover the knots in the cord, however, don't stay >> on, so I just don't use them. >> >> Good luck, >> >> Rick >> M17 #633 >> Lynne L >> >> On Sunday, June 15, 2014, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> After getting the brochure about the Mastgate product line of products I >>> was surprised to find that the mastgate itself is held in place with just >>> shock cord. Has anybody installed one of these and found it to withstand >>> the various strains and pressures placed upon it such that it didn't dent >>> or pop out of place or malfunction in any other fashion? >>> Would like to hear about your experiences with this product. >>> Thanks, >>> Tom B >>> M17, #258 >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 15 >> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 17:16:59 -0600 >> From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails >> Message-ID: >> <CAGjBOA502LzidiwL1FMX3-Jow9PWfC15mr39YsSXwXvjiqkktg(a)mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> Klaas, the likely cause for your clew is lower than the tack is the luff >> bolt rope has shrunk. original sails to a Jerry built boat ... any M15 >> built by Jerry ... are in need of replacement. >> >> another sailmaker is Harry at Elliott/Pattison Sailmakers - >> >> www.ep*sails*.com >> >> >> Harry is the OEM loft for the current Mboats. >> >> be sure to measure your boat before ordering sails ... there are >> variations. some of these could be caused by prior owner's. i've built >> new standing rigs for four M15s. two different measurements for four >> different boats. all boats built by Jerry. >> >> a sail cleaning/conditioning service will not fix a blown out sail. such >> a >> service is good for cleaning a in good condition sail, say one less than >> 10 >> or so years old. no amount of conditioning can 'save' a 20+ year old >> sail. >> >> order a new main with a loose foot. with improved outhaul hardware >> attached to the boom much MUCH more sail control. >> >> besides a loose foot i recommend the main have two reef points. the >> working jib, about 128%, is a good working headsail. with a double reefed >> tucked in and the working jib (128%) the boat is good to a bit over 20 >> kts. >> >> new sails are like 'turbo charging' your boat. she will sail faster, >> closer to the wind, and heel less. >> >> >> -- >> :: Dave Scobie >> :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred >> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com >> >> >>>> On Jun 15, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Klaas <santaklaas(a)telus.net> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Hi I know this question has been asked before But can't recall the >>> advise >>> >> that was given. So here it is: I have a 1985 M15 for about 3 years and >>> >> I >>> >> just started noticing that the main hangs down about 4 inches at the >>> back. >>> >> Is this normal or are my 29 year old sails done for and I need new >>> sails? >>> >> Also where can I find out the sail dimensions for my 1985 M15 is there >>> >> a >>> >> web page somewhere ?? >>> >> Thanks >>> >> Klaas >>> > >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> montgomery_boats mailing list >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >> https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> >> Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 136, Issue 6 >> ************************************************ > > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 20:54:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Ronald McNeil <ronaldwmcneil(a)yahoo.com> To: "montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Thru-Hull drilling Message-ID: <1402890864.51517.YahooMailNeo(a)web163605.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi, I need to add another through hull fitting to my M17 for a new bilge pump hose exit. I need to drill a 1" hole for my 3/4" fitting. I have a 1" wood drill bit but I'm afraid it will not make a clean cut. I looked in Home Depot and seen a 1" bit similar to a bit that you would use to drill out a door handle but the teeth were not close together so again I think it will cause some chipping.? Can anyone confirm my doubts or suggest a type of bit to use.. Thanks, Ron McNeil M17/Jackpot/#675 ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 00:12:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Sandy <sandyal55(a)aol.com> To: ronaldwmcneil(a)yahoo.com, montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Thru-Hull drilling Message-ID: <8D157305C28E431-FC4-39724(a)webmail-d254.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" When using a hole saw, you drill from one side and the pilot drill penetrates the other side. Then switch sides, and drill from the. opposite side. That way you won't splinter the fibreglass. -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sun, Jun 15, 2014 4:54 pm Subject: M_Boats: Thru-Hull drilling Hi, I need to add another through hull fitting to my M17 for a new bilge pump hose exit. I need to drill a 1" hole for my 3/4" fitting. I have a 1" wood drill bit but I'm afraid it will not make a clean cut. I looked in Home Depot and seen a 1" bit similar to a bit that you would use to drill out a door handle but the teeth were not close together so again I think it will cause some chipping. Can anyone confirm my doubts or suggest a type of bit to use.. Thanks, Ron McNeil M17/Jackpot/#675 ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 21:36:33 -0700 From: Larry Yake <larryyake(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Thru-Hull drilling Message-ID: <CANjZbon+xH54H5wLdyrYD3=3qmmvK_m4N__=+tiLJKKJgS37yA(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Also, drill the first part of the hole in reverse. The teeth won't grab and chip the gel coat but will score a nice smooth groove. Do both sides this way before drilling on through. Larry Y M17 CornDog On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 9:12 PM, Sandy via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > When using a hole saw, you drill from one side and the pilot drill > penetrates the other side. Then switch sides, and drill from the. opposite > side. That way you won't splinter the fibreglass. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Sun, Jun 15, 2014 4:54 pm > Subject: M_Boats: Thru-Hull drilling > > > > Hi, I need to add another through hull fitting to my M17 for a new bilge > pump > hose exit. I need to drill a 1" hole for my 3/4" fitting. I have a 1" wood > drill > bit but I'm afraid it will not make a clean cut. I looked in Home Depot > and seen > a 1" bit similar to a bit that you would use to drill out a door handle > but the > teeth were not close together so again I think it will cause some chipping. > Can anyone confirm my doubts or suggest a type of bit to use.. > > Thanks, > Ron McNeil > M17/Jackpot/#675 > > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 07:55:28 -0400 (EDT) From: wcampion(a)aol.com To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Got the centerboard down! Message-ID: <8D157710061BFDC-2E68-6BF(a)webmail-d294.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Nice pics Tyler. It appears, once again, necessity is the mother of invention!! Nice and effective design Jim. I will file this away for future (I really hope not) reference. Skip Campion M-15 #201 M-5.8 #24 -----Original Message----- From: Tyler Backman <casioqv(a)usermail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sun, Jun 15, 2014 9:47 pm Subject: M_Boats: Got the centerboard down! I got the stuck centerboard on my M15 out with a puller (see photos) based on a design by Jim Sadler. The board was really stuck, and hammering down a rod from the top did nothing. Rusting seems to have drastically increased it's thickness. I wish I had tried this puller right from the beginning. Now which way do I hammer out the pivot pin? Does it matter? I heard once that it's tapered on one end, but I don't know which. Sincerely, Tyler '81 M15 #157 "Defiant" ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 07:14:55 -0700 From: Ronald McNeil <ronaldwmcneil(a)yahoo.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Thru-Hull drilling Message-ID: <1402928095.6663.YahooMailNeo(a)web163605.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks Larry this helps. Regards, Ron On Sunday, June 15, 2014 9:38 PM, Larry Yake <larryyake(a)gmail.com> wrote: Also, drill the first part of the hole in reverse. The teeth won't grab and chip the gel coat but will score a nice smooth groove. Do both sides this way before drilling on through. Larry Y M17 CornDog On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 9:12 PM, Sandy via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > When using a hole saw, you drill from one side and the pilot drill > penetrates the other side. Then switch sides, and drill from the. opposite > side. That way you won't splinter the fibreglass. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Sun, Jun 15, 2014 4:54 pm > Subject: M_Boats: Thru-Hull drilling > > > > Hi, I need to add another through hull fitting to my M17 for a new bilge > pump > hose exit. I need to drill a 1" hole for my 3/4" fitting. I have a 1" wood > drill > bit but I'm afraid it will not make a clean cut. I looked in Home Depot > and seen > a 1" bit similar to a bit that you would use to drill out a door handle > but the > teeth were not close together so again I think it will cause some chipping. > Can anyone confirm my doubts or suggest a type of bit to use.. > > Thanks, > Ron McNeil > M17/Jackpot/#675 > > ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 08:37:01 -0600 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> To: Ronald McNeil <ronaldwmcneil(a)yahoo.com>, For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Thru-Hull drilling Message-ID: <CAGjBOA4Du6ciESRaNSj3d8CtcrwBYhskdEWGwNZSmn=we6x9UA(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Ron: the hole saws we use in the shop are made by Lenox. link below so you can see pictures of the 'saws' - http://www.lenoxtools.com/pages/lenox-hole-saws.aspx use a hole saw for anything larger than 1/2". follow instructions for drilling hole as already shared by Sandy and Larry. -- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com > On Sunday, June 15, 2014 9:38 PM, Larry Yake <larryyake(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Also, drill the first part of the hole in reverse. The teeth won't grab and > chip the gel coat but will score a nice smooth groove. Do both sides this > way before drilling on through. > > Larry Y > M17 CornDog > > > On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 9:12 PM, Sandy via montgomery_boats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > > When using a hole saw, you drill from one side and the pilot drill > > penetrates the other side. Then switch sides, and drill from the. > opposite > > side. That way you won't splinter the fibreglass. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Sent: Sun, Jun 15, 2014 4:54 pm > > > > > > > > Hi, I need to add another through hull fitting to my M17 for a new bilge > > pump > > hose exit. I need to drill a 1" hole for my 3/4" fitting. I have a 1" > wood > > drill > > bit but I'm afraid it will not make a clean cut. I looked in Home Depot > > and seen > > a 1" bit similar to a bit that you would use to drill out a door handle > > but the > > teeth were not close together so again I think it will cause some > chipping. > > Can anyone confirm my doubts or suggest a type of bit to use.. > > > > Thanks, > > Ron McNeil > > M17/Jackpot/#675 > > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 09:48:22 -0500 From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails Message-ID: <CA+TbpAVqmkJ_iY_MO_DUHORMK_3AynP6ST+kQfXqhSYG-y5q9Q(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Yes, good to hear this "list proc" stuff is there. I was afraid my computer just didn't like me anymore. Tom B, M17 #258 On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Becky Belding <becky(a)beckybelding.com> wrote: > I also get a message at times from ?system-user(a)mms.mycricket.com? ...but > turns out my post may show up anyway? > > I am glad you mentioned this! I wasn?t sure what to do about it. > > > > > > Becky > > 1985 M17 "Grace" > > #393 > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats [mailto: > montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 2:06 PM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails > > > > Yes, Dave, I got that message. Fun. > > Tom B > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 3:47 PM, Dave Scobie < <mailto: > scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > And as an example, the email I sent just a bit ago about the mastgate > > > was listed as being 'unable to deliver' ... though it was delivered. > > > > > > :: Dave Scobie > > > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA > > > :: Former M15 owner > > > On Jun 15, 2014 2:41 PM, "Dave Scobie" < <mailto:scoobscobie@gmail.com> > scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > This error message relates to problems with this older listproc > > > > software and newer email provider protocols (such as yahoo.com, > > > > gmail.com, > > > > AOL.com) are using. I had to give up using yahoo.com email and use > > > Gmail. > > > > It has worked .... mostly. > > > > > > > > :: Dave Scobie > > > > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA > > > > :: Former M15 owner > > > > On Jun 15, 2014 2:37 PM, "Thomas Buzzi" < <mailto: > thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > >> Rich, > > > >> I just went through the process of unsubscribing and resubscribing > > > >> to this site to try to clear up this kind of problem. Annoying to > > > >> say the > > > least. > > > >> Do you think there is some sort of hacking or just plain mucking > > > >> around going on?? > > > >> I also just sent in a request to the members concerning the "Mastgate" > > > >> product being all it is claimed to be. Be interesting to see if > > > >> that > > > shows > > > >> up and how it goes. > > > >> Tom B > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Rich Makela < > > > >> <mailto:richmak@makelaperformance.com> richmak(a)makelaperformance.com > > > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > I received a Delivery Status Notification for the message I sent > > > >> > just after noon today. The Delivery Status Notification arrived > > > >> > a few > > > >> minutes > > > >> > after my message showed up on the forum. The message comes from > > > >> > <mailto:system-user@mms.mycricket.com> > system-user(a)mms.mycricket.com . I had the same thing happen on > > > >> > June > > > 4. > > > >> > I've never seen this kind of thing before. A Google search > > > >> > revealed > > > >> that > > > >> > mms.mycrickiet.com may not even be a legitimate URL. > > > >> > > > > >> > Rich Makela > > > >> > M-17 #233 - Harmony > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > -----Original Message----- > > > >> > From: montgomery_boats [mailto: > > > >> > <mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> > montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of > > > >> > Thomas > > > >> Buzzi > > > >> > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 2:26 PM > > > >> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > > > >> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need > > > >> > new > > > >> sails > > > >> > > > > >> > Thanks for the feedback Steve. Ditto on the "techy stuff". I also > > > >> > get > > > >> the > > > >> > xmissions trouble notification stuff. Very perturbing since this > > > >> > in > > > one > > > >> of > > > >> > my favorite sites to kibitz on. > > > >> > Tom B. very low tech M17 #258 > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 1:28 PM, stevetrapp < <mailto: > stevetrapp(a)q.com> stevetrapp(a)q.com> wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > > I have been getting "Delivery Status Notification" > > > >> > > indicating that what I send to > > > <mailto:montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > > >> > > is not working, but I also get replies from M-boat folks like > > > >> > > you, > > > so > > > >> > > I guess it really is working. I do not understand the techy > > > >> > > stuff > > > >> > involved. > > > >> > > I think if I get replies the techy stuff is doing something. > > > Frankly > > > >> > > I do not trust a lot of techy stuff, which is among the reasons > > > >> > > I > > > like > > > >> > > my M-15, not much techy stuff to do with it or to go wrong. > > > >> > > Steve > > > >> > > M-15 # 335 > > > >> > > > > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Buzzi" > > > >> > > < <mailto:thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> > > > >> > > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats@mailman. > > > >> > > xmission.com> > > > >> > > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 9:47 AM > > > >> > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Daniel, > > > >> > > As long as you are considering new sails, look into having the > > > >> > > main made as a loose footed one. The tack and clew will have to > > > >> > > be reinforced more than the usual and you will need to install > > > >> > > a bit better mechanical advantage on the outhaul fittings as > > > >> > > you will be using it to trim the draft on the main but the > > > >> > > boost in performance > > > is > > > >> > > said to be considerable. I am looking at new sails for the M17 > > > >> > > I > > > have > > > >> > > and am seriously considering going the loose footed route. > > > >> > > Please reply to this email as I have concerns that my missives > > > >> > > to > > > this > > > >> > > website are not getting through to anybody. > > > >> > > Thanks, > > > >> > > Tom B, M17, 1978 > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Daniel Rich < > > > <mailto:danielgrich@gmail.com> danielgrich(a)gmail.com> > > > >> > > wrote: > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Yup. You need new sails. And sails for the M15 are quite > > > >> > > reasonably > > > >> > >> priced. I got mine from JudyB at Hyde. She did a fantastic job. > > > >> > >> Measurements are key, as all these older M boats can have some > > > slight > > > >> > >> differences. New sails change the boat so much you won?t > > > >> > >> believe > > > it. > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> Which reminds me, Judy, I owe you some money and some sails! > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> Daniel Rich > > > >> > >> M15 #208 "Kestrel" > > > >> > >> <mailto:danielgrich@gmail.com> danielgrich(a)gmail.com > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> On Jun 15, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Klaas < <mailto: > santaklaas(a)telus.net> santaklaas(a)telus.net> wrote: > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > Hi I know this question has been asked before But can't > > > >> > >> > recall > > > the > > > >> > >> advise that was given. So here it is: I have a 1985 M15 for > > > >> > >> about 3 years and I just started noticing that the main hangs > > > >> > >> down about 4 inches at the back. Is this normal or are my 29 > > > >> > >> year old sails done for and I need new sails? Also where can I > > > >> > >> find out the sail dimensions for my 1985 M15 is there a web page > somewhere ?? > > > >> > >> > Thanks > > > >> > >> > Klaas > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! ------------------------------ End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 136, Issue 8 ************************************************

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Do I need new sails
by Klaas 18 Jun '14

18 Jun '14

Hi I know this question has been asked before But can't recall the advise that was given. So here it is: I have a 1985 M15 for about 3 years and I just started noticing that the main hangs down about 4 inches at the back. Is this normal or are my 29 year old sails done for and I need new sails? Also where can I find out the sail dimensions for my 1985 M15 is there a web page somewhere ?? Thanks Klaas

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Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails
by Bruce Ward 18 Jun '14

18 Jun '14

Klass, check out Rose Sailmakers in Duncan, BC Sent from my iPad

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Re: M_Boats: Got the centerboard down!
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 17 Jun '14

17 Jun '14

Barrier coat (epoxy as InterLux 2000/2001 or similar) will work well if it is inside the trunk - adheres well too. Check with PaintBoy - Stan - he can give u good advice too. GO In a message dated 6/17/2014 12:08:22 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, scoobscobie(a)gmail.com writes: good news that the new board fits ... means the ballast isn't rusting! for the repairs to the trunk and the bottom of the centerboard trunk: gel coat is doing two things - * looks nice * protects the fiberglass & resin from rubbing and UV the BIG thing is protecting from UV. epoxy, or the resin used to make the boat, and fiberglass are not UV stable. unprotected surfaces that 'see the sun' will break down. so you _must_ cover the epoxy fixes that are 'external and see sun' with something. deep inside the trunk will not see sun (the lower part may). if you are not worried about rubbing from the board over your 'upper trunk patch' i wouldn't cover. the exterior stuff at the bottom of the trunk and keel can be covered with - * gel coat (in the amounts you need can be difficult to find for a 'home fixer') * an exterior boat paint (from Interlux for example) * exterior grade oil based house paint (yes, this is what many home boat builders use) be sure to correctly prep the patch so the product you choose to cover it will 'stick'. this involves cleaning off the epoxy blush, removing any wax (yes, even an old boat may have some mold release wax on the surface) and sanding to assure a strong mechanical bond. personal preference on how close the color match matches and how pretty a surface. -- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Tyler Backman <casioqv(a)usermail.com> wrote: > Good idea on the test fit, the new board fits with plenty of clearance. In > some spots the old centerboard is nearly twice the width of the new one, > and it's seams are burst almost all the way around. > > The damage to the inside of the trunk looks much worse than I thought on > closer inspection. I will need to patch a fairly large panel reaching up > into the narrow slot. I think I can do it with the right tools, especially > a long dremel extension cable. I'll just cut the bad fiberglass out, bevel > the edges with the dremel, and then lay new cloth up there with a long > putty knife. Then I can sand it back flush to the original clearances. > > Is it necessary to paint the epoxy repairs after I'm done even if the boat > will be exclusively trailered? If so, any suggestions on the type of paint > to use? I loaned my Don Casey book to my dad! > > Tyler > '81 M15 #157 "Defiant" > > On Jun 16, 2014, at 3:50 PM, Dave Scobie wrote: > > > i recommend you confirm the fit of the new centerboard before filling the > > crack and the gouge. if the keel ballast is swelling best to know before > > you move forward on the repairs. > > >

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Got the centerboard down!
by Tyler Backman 17 Jun '14

17 Jun '14

I got the stuck centerboard on my M15 out with a puller (see photos) based on a design by Jim Sadler. The board was really stuck, and hammering down a rod from the top did nothing. Rusting seems to have drastically increased it's thickness. I wish I had tried this puller right from the beginning. Now which way do I hammer out the pivot pin? Does it matter? I heard once that it's tapered on one end, but I don't know which. Sincerely, Tyler '81 M15 #157 "Defiant"

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Fw: Re Pocket Yacht Palooza Re: Do I need new sails (stevetrapp)
by Klaas 16 Jun '14

16 Jun '14

----- Original Message ----- From: Klaas To: stevetrapp(a)q.com Sent: Monday, June 16, 2014 8:37 AM Subject: Re Pocket Yacht Palooza Re: Do I need new sails (stevetrapp) Hi Steve I wish I could go to the Townsend Palooza.But I have a art show up here that I'm involved in and can't get out of , this is the second year it's worked out this way . I have meet Marty Loken and Tom and Bob all of the Townsend Pocket yachters at the Montague Harbour meet at the begining of this month , great bunch of guys . I'm hopeing to make the Sucia Is meet the week before the Palooza Klaas M-15 # 321 Tadpole Message: 2 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 19:09:25 -0700 From: "stevetrapp" <stevetrapp(a)q.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <> Subject: M_Boats: Pocket Yacht Palooza Re: Do I need new sails Message-ID: <93AC2150E1C8434B9A5144A80B22E481@STEVEEW> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Klaas, Checked my British Columbia map and see that you're on the Strait of Georgia on the Vancouver side. There is an active M-boat community to your south, on Puget Sound. I suggest visiting the Pocket Yacht Palooza at Port Townsend on July 19 - 20. You could sail, or drive around, or take the Victoria Ferry across. There will be other M-boaters there with their boats, as well as vendors, probably including sail makers. I plan to drive, too far from the South end of Puget Sound to sail my M-15. Steve M-15 # 335

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