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Montgomery 15 Ventilation
by David Grah 30 Jan '15

30 Jan '15

We had a great trip to the Bahia de Los Angeles area of Baja California last October with our Montgomery 15. Although we'd sailed - and slept - in warm temperatures before, one uncomfortable part of the trip for me was lack of ventilation down by my feet in the bow of the boat at night. Maybe it was just not being used to the humidity, but my feet were dying for even a little bit of air! I figure I could improve ventilation with a fan circulating air in the cabin or with a vent through the deck near the bow. I wondered if anyone in this group has worked through this issue before. Ideas and suggestions appreciated! David Grah Bishop - California Montgomery 15 - Sky

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Forward ventilation
by Thomas Buzzi 30 Jan '15

30 Jan '15

David, A small deck wind scoop placed somewhere out of the way (not much room on an M15 deck) with a second scoop mounted directly below it which would direct the air towards the end of the v-berth might work. Tom B,Mont 17 #258

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Re: M_Boats: Mast rake
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 29 Jan '15

29 Jan '15

Tom, Safety Warning - ALWAYS pin/secure clevis pins and t-bolts when adjusting rigging - do not 'adjust - sail - then I 'll pin them when I like it' ALL connections should be secured. (If you have a furler with a rigid foil this does not apply in exactly the manner - you need a tighter than usual forestay to allow the foil to rotate) Your mast rake is determined largely by the length of your forestay. The backstay will allow for the tensioning of the forestay (once the sail is up load is shared between sail and stay) headsail luff and a bit of bend induced to the mast (by virtue of compression - this is one reason the spreaders are angled aft from the mast). The trick or sweet spot is to determine the proper amount of rake while having correct headsail tension and backstay tension for the conditions at the moment - this is akin to asking me to play the violin. Too much rake = poor helm (weather) Too much headsail halyard tension = draft too far forward in headsail (narrow trim groove less power) Too much backstay tension = induced mast bend - mainsail flattens (narrow trim groove less power) If you can sail on the 'ideal day'-steady breeze prevalent in your area- lengthen your forestay to the maximum safe length or add a toggle to the turnbuckle - hoist the proper headsail for the conditions and tension halyard to correct amount for conditions - horizontal wrinkles at luff in light air - (never a vertical wrinkle at luff), remove the slack from the backstay (adjustable set-up is much easier to accomplish this) and lightly tension the backstay without imparting additional VISIBLE tension on the headsail luff (keep the wrinkles in there!) outhaul full on - vang on so 2nd batten parallel to boom, check weather/lee helm at tiller and adjust as needed to achieve light weather helm. Excess halyard or backstay tension may result in overloading the headsail luff and damaging the sail - get the RAKE dialed in then 'hang the headsail' on the forestay so that it may be sailed with light thru heavier luff tension - DO NOT carry the load completely on the headsail luff. The trick is getting the length of the forestay right to achieve this. Sounds easy, (it is) but may be time consuming - remember to start at the front of the boat and work your way aft. Too much weather helm - move rig forward = shorten the forestay a small amount rinse - repeat - rinse - repeat - when you are happy with the amount of weather helm - pin forestay turnbuckle/toggle combination and release excess tension from backstay. The backstay may be lengthened drastically when sailing on very broad reach or run with DRAMATIC speed improvement (tip of our mast moves forward >2.5 feet and boat accelerates like crazy) - backstay needs to have large range of adjustment to incur that much movement - well worth it if you are tired of sailing slowly on a run! Keep Mainsail trimmed to about 6" off the leeward shroud on a run. Make the investment in taking the time to get it set-up right and trimming becomes SOO easy - boat in balance and fast! Well worth it! Have Fun, Go Sailing GO In a message dated 1/29/2015 10:02:28 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com writes: After reading several articles about mast rake and how to achieve it, there seems to be two different ways to do it. One, the backstay tensioner, the second using a jib halyard winch setup on the cabin top. Not sure how that second method works but I include it here to hopefully get some ideas from others on this site. I can go either way at this point in rerigging my M-17 for better weather in March. Second issue, Jerry has spoken about using a small jib track mounted on the cabin top for jib sheets for an 80% high cut jib for tacking into 20 knot winds. He suggested a 12-14% angle on the sheeting. I am not sure which elements of the rig to use in determining that 12-14% angle. I don't want to drill a lot of extra holes in the deck by mistake so any help with this would be much appreciated. Thanks for any ideas on these matters. Fair winds, Tom B, M-17, #258

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Mast rake
by Thomas Buzzi 29 Jan '15

29 Jan '15

After reading several articles about mast rake and how to achieve it, there seems to be two different ways to do it. One, the backstay tensioner, the second using a jib halyard winch setup on the cabin top. Not sure how that second method works but I include it here to hopefully get some ideas from others on this site. I can go either way at this point in rerigging my M-17 for better weather in March. Second issue, Jerry has spoken about using a small jib track mounted on the cabin top for jib sheets for an 80% high cut jib for tacking into 20 knot winds. He suggested a 12-14% angle on the sheeting. I am not sure which elements of the rig to use in determining that 12-14% angle. I don't want to drill a lot of extra holes in the deck by mistake so any help with this would be much appreciated. Thanks for any ideas on these matters. Fair winds, Tom B, M-17, #258

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Re: M_Boats: Where ? Re: Montgomery 17 for sale
by bownez＠juno.com 29 Jan '15

29 Jan '15

Hi Larry, That practicality issue does come up from time to time...... Of course the key here is to always be on the water, mast or no mast. Quite a challenge in parch dry CA. Wishing you the best.... Bones ____________________________________________________________ How Old Men Tighten Skin 63 Year Old Man Shares DIY Skin Tightening Method You Can Do From Home http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/54ca3a41232893a417eacst02vuc

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Re: M_Boats: Where ? Re: Montgomery 17 for sale
by bownez＠juno.com 29 Jan '15

29 Jan '15

Hi Jerry, I remember you telling me about racing an M23 in the Leech Lake regatta. I also remember you commenting on how much you enjoyed tasting our state fish, the beautiful and rather illusive walleye. If you wish to sail Leech again and don't feel like hauling your Sage all the way to the midwest, we can always do it with my old reliable 1976 M17! You could show me how to properly rake the mast......I do have a back stay tensioner.... Thanks, Bones ____________________________________________________________ How Old Men Tighten Skin 63 Year Old Man Shares DIY Skin Tightening Method You Can Do From Home http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/54ca398a214a2398a3b28st03vuc

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Re: M_Boats: Boom Height
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 28 Jan '15

28 Jan '15

Of course - - - - I forgot to measure it last time I was up there to 'button up' - Will get to it early next week I believe. If you don't hear from me - yell in my direction!! Take Care, Have Fun, GO In a message dated 1/28/2015 6:47:56 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, heinzir(a)gmail.com writes: Gary, Could you give me a measurement of the correct height for a fixed gooseneck above the base of the mast? Thanks! -- Henry https://picasaweb.google.com/heinzir

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Re: M_Boats: 2010 M17 for sale
by vfpid＠verizon.net 28 Jan '15

28 Jan '15

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Re: M_Boats: Where ? Re: Montgomery 17 for sale
by bownez＠juno.com 28 Jan '15

28 Jan '15

These are great boat buying/retrieving stories. I flew from Mpls to Vegas to inspect my M23 on Lake Mead. Fell in love at first sight and bought her. Flew back with a friend (old truck driver) 2 months later, rented a U-haul truck, loaded her on her trailer after checking all the wheel bearings, and 3 days later we were back in Mn for her new home. My M17 was much closer, only 250 miles away. (On Superior). Sailboats Inc was a dealer on Montgomery boats back in the 70's, so we do have a number of 15s and 17s around here. Bones ____________________________________________________________ How Old Men Tighten Skin 63 Year Old Man Shares DIY Skin Tightening Method You Can Do From Home http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/54c8ee6d731196e6d3dacst03vuc

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Boom Height
by Henry Rodriguez 28 Jan '15

28 Jan '15

Gary, Could you give me a measurement of the correct height for a fixed gooseneck above the base of the mast? Thanks! -- Henry https://picasaweb.google.com/heinzir

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