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Re: M_Boats: Bones: Flicka resin/date question
by Michael L Bowden 24 Mar '02

24 Mar '02

Hello Scott, I took a quick look through my accumulated Flicka information and I could not find anything which indicated the date PS changed the resin formulation. It has been related to me it was sometime in the late 80's. The point of whether is is more detrimental for a fiberglass hull to sit in saltwater vs freshwater has been hashed about over the years as well. I still have no idea what the answer is. I had pock marks and minor blisters on my M17 hull when I got her in '96. I did a bottom job myself to see first hand what a pain it is. Sanding fiberglass is a nasty job. I applied 8 coats of Interprotect 2000 then 2 coats of Micron CSC. The M23 has Awlgrip on it's hull. I follow your thinking on keeping a trailerable even if you have a "transportable" larger sailboat. That is what I have in mind for my M17. My pipe dream is to have the M23 in Minnesota, and the M17 in the Keys for my "snowbird" winter getaways............someday soon. Later, Bones ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

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Re: M_Boats: New M-23 Sailplan up on the MSOG
by Michael L Bowden 24 Mar '02

24 Mar '02

Hi Doug, I made a kick-up rudder for my M17, Theo put the whole article in the late spring 2000 issue of the now gone Montgomery Newsletter. Do you have copies of the newsletters? I could fax to you the info if you wish. I also have a spare SS cheekplate I could make a template from. Think spring, I am. Bones in Minnesota M17 #92 M23 #75 ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

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Re: M_Boats: Montgomery 23 update and some improvements
by Michael L Bowden 24 Mar '02

24 Mar '02

Many thanks to Bob for mailing me the line drawings for the new M23 Cutter. She looks like a affordable Falmouth Cutter clone. Keep the info coming Bob, you have our attention. Bones ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

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Centerboard trials and tribulations
by Donald Andrew Miller 24 Mar '02

24 Mar '02

> Don, It must have been a replaced cbd, because as far as I'm aware, all the boats up to 1985 had cast iron c'boards. Maybe I'm wrong on this and if so others will surely correct me here. If your board was cast iron, YIKES! Was it? Eugene #354 1982 Yes, it was cast iron. It made quite a thud when it fell to the full down position. When we had it out of the water, it took two guys to hold it up while I climbed into the cockpit and rewinched it. So now the board is up and she's back on the trailer. Also when it was lifted out of the water I could see that the board had not broken, but the retaining pin aft of the board had warped, allowing the centerboard to fall completely. So the rope broke, dropping the cast iron centerboard on the retaining pin, which gave way, and the centerboard fell to rest on only the pivot pin. Fortunately that pin held. >From the archives, last April 12, Jerry M. wrote that on an older Montgomery 17 with the cast iron centerboard (like mine), the board is designed to rest on that pin which has been knocked out. So obvoiuly I need to replace the pin. Let's hope that I didn't foul up the pin hole when I removed the warped pin. dm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/

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Bones: Flicka resin/date question
by Wilsometer＠aol.com 23 Mar '02

23 Mar '02

In a message dated 3/21/02 6:52:57 PM, bownez(a)juno.com writes: << Scott, Looks like you have you have been doing your homework on the Flickas. Ever looked closely at it's bigger brother the Dana? Quite a boat. I have heard similar stories of blister problems on earlier Flickas, I believe pre '88. It was due to resin formulation. A Lake Superior Flicka owner by the name of Sterling Weatherford has his referb story posted on the web. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. Later, Bones >> Hi Bones, Thank you for the follow-up. I 've been aboard a few Dana's, but have yet to sail one. I met Bill Crealock (the designer) once, and we discussed the relative merits of the different 'pocket cruisers' (or tabloid yachts, if you subscribe to Jay Benford's theory that pocket cruisers refer to powerboats only). I like the Dana very much, although I favor the outboard rudder and more plumb bow of the Flicka. At 8000 pounds, I group the Dana more in with the Nor ' Sea 27 and the Falmouth Cutter. All three are trailerable, but not so easily as the Flicka (easy being a very relative term!!), and the price of entry is a little rich for my blood of late (Used Dana's seem to start around the $50K mark, and ramp up quickly depending on age and condition). I would love to be in a position to consider any of the three larger boats, but alas, that is not where I find myself these days. Thanks for bringing up Sterling Weatherford's story regarding hull hydrolyzation and repairs. I discovered this just prior to almost purchasing a 1985 Flicka with some seemingly superficial blisters. I credit him with possibly saving me thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours of work. When I spoke with him, he was quick to point out that not all boats of this period suffered the same maladies, but there is certainly reason to look very carefully. I was interested to hear from you that PSC changed their resin in 1988. I am trying to corroborate this date, as I would like to concentrate my search on newer boats. Could you tell me where you heard the 1988 date? Others I have talked to have said the same thing. Some say it was not until 1989. The factory doesn't seem to know (apparently there is nobody left there from the original days, and now it is under different ownership). As silly as it might seem, I intend to keep my M15 even if I do find a Flicka. I just can't stand to part with it (at least not yet, and while I would likely haul the Flicka to some distant location every few years (Alaska from Seattle/Bellingham is first on the list), I can see popping up to BC or down to the Sea of Cortez on short notice with the M15. There is also lake sailing to consider. Do I understand that you bought an M23? If so, congratulations! I will be eager to hear your further reports! Cheers, Scott Grometer M15 #478, "bebe"

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Re: M_Boats: Montgomery Net Politically Correct Grammar
by Conbert H Benneck 23 Mar '02

23 Mar '02

Joe, Winston was correct! On PWCs: Whilest on a Caribbean cruise a year ago, I had the opportunity to try one of those PWC things. The sun shone: water was warm: and I must admit I had a ball trying it out. The acceleration was awesome, and I never did get over about 3/4 throttle, because by then I was going at a speed and jumping over wavelets where I thought, discretion is the better part of valor, and throttled back. My do those PWCs go............ Awesome! But what do you do with it????? Go around in figure eights, or circles; make waves and jump over them? Annoying everyone else with the noise, and waves you make????? .....and it didn't even have a cup holder! It was nice to try it out, but I'll take my M15 anytime. It may take me a lot longer to get from A to B, but I'll get there in a much pleasanter and quieter manner. PWCs may excite the hormones; but M15s satisfy the soul. Connie ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

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Re: M_Boats: New member [s]
by daideo＠webtv.net 23 Mar '02

23 Mar '02

Ahhhh, Cherri, this , or that, was only a tongue-in-cheek thingie. Sure not meant to get someones `ire` up. Didn`t know we had to be so proper when on board. As far as being directed at women, relax please. It seems as your intuition was knocked off center, maybe because of some strange thing in the [cyber] air. No offence was meant, certainly none sent. Musta been just not seen that way. That `quote` at the bottom was a joke from `Steven Wright`, whos humor is bar none, the most cerebral around. Also, the quotes [at the bottom] are changed by me from time to time, depending on my mood. What might someone say if a quote is from Lenin, or Mao. God forbid ! If you had a question as to my feminine stand, maybe email me off-site. Instead of on a sailing site. ~`still grammar-challenged`~ Just looked over my last email, didn`t look all that threating to me. Just kiddin round a bit. Snowin here, & spring fell in yesterday. Brrrrrrr, kinda chilly all round huh ? `T` " If a man speaks in the forest, and there`s no women to hear him,is he still wrong" S.W.

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Re: M_Boats: New member [s]
by Mark Pavuk 23 Mar '02

23 Mar '02

If a tree falls in the forest and there is no one to hear it, it still makes a sound due to the wave patterns set up by the impact. "There's no women"is incorrect whether or not any of the anal retentive, grammar-loving sailors are up and running or not, as harsh a reality as that may be. If the original quote had not been aimed at women in general, however, grace may have kept me from responding. Grammar-challenged or not, I'm sure you have many wonderful character traits, especially if you like Montgomerys. Cherri ---------- >From: daideo(a)webtv.net >To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >Subject: Re: M_Boats: New member [s] >Date: Thu, Mar 21, 2002, 10:04 AM > >If a guy makes an incorrect use of grammar, in this group, and there >isn`t anyone up & running, could there be a small possibility that he >could be right just once ??? >Thank you. >FROM: >A grammar-challenged guy. >Terry > > >" If a man speaks in the forest, and there`s no women to hear him,is he >still wrong" S.W. > > >_______________________________________________ >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: Centerboard trials and tribulations
by Larry Yake 23 Mar '02

23 Mar '02

Jerry, I think that would be great if you could build some boards. How do we reach you to respond privately? Larry

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Re: M_Boats: Centerboard trials and tribulations
by Larry Yake 23 Mar '02

23 Mar '02

Seems there is always someone having problems with one of the old cast iron centerboards. My boat has the same problems and I'll be working on it soon. It would sure be beneficial to a great many of us if a suitable replacement could be created. I was surprised to learn the newer M17's board is so much lighter. Is the weight difference made up in the keel? Could a lighter board be used on an older model? I realize the board on the newer boats won't fit the older models, but if a lighter weight model could be made to replace the cast iron, without too much loss of performance or stiffness, it sure would be a lot easier to handle. Also, earlier discussions speculated on the possibility of getting a professional to build some boards if there was enough interest. Count me in. Larry Y. M17, #200 Tullamore

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