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Jib hanks question
by John Schinnerer 17 Aug '17

17 Aug '17

Hi all, Broke a jib hank on my 80% jib yesterday. They are all-nylon piston hanks, with the piston angling across the rear of opening from one side, rather than pointing straight forward. Probably OEM on the Reggie Armstrong jib (which might be OEM to the boat itself I think). Any reason anyone knows of to not just replace it (or maybe all of them) with a simpler cheaper slip/twist-on nylon one like these: http://duckworksbbs.com/sailmaking/jibhanks/index.htm ...or equivalent from other suppliers?? thanks, John S. -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com

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Companion way hatch boards
by Jon Barber 17 Aug '17

17 Aug '17

Are they euro ply ? Measured in mm's? 9.5mm about 3/8" / 12.5mm about 1/2"

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Re: M_Boats: Replacing companionway boards - options, advice
by Dan Farrell 16 Aug '17

16 Aug '17

I measured mind about a third of an inch, maybe 3/8 minus some refinishing. Dan Farrell M17 #301 Steve Trapp <stevetrapp(a)Q.com> wrote: >3/8, measured the original teak hatch boards on my 1985 M-15 # 335. >Possibly slightly thinner from scrubbing and teak oil through the years, but >3/8 inch. Maybe the M-17 boards were slightly thicker ? >Steve >M-15 # 335 > >-----Original Message----- >From: John Schinnerer >Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 4:31 PM >To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >Subject: Re: M_Boats: Replacing companionway boards - options, advice > >Thanks - OK, I'll measure again...but I'm pretty sure mine are 1/2". > >I made a bunch of notes on the boat measurements, materials, etc., for >to-do projects, so as not to have to go measure the same thing over and >over when making supplies lists...and the notes say the existing boards >are 1/2". Going sailing tomorrow, I'll double check. >Maybe somewhere in the last 40 years of her life, someone changed that >dimension... > >cheers, >John S. > >On 08/04/2017 10:51 AM, jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org wrote: >> No, they were 3/8. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer >> Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 10:23 AM >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Replacing companionway boards - options, advice >> >> 1974, #38. So maybe that changed - Jerry, were the OEM hatch boards on a >> boat like mine 1/2"? Sure looks like original hatch holder teak pieces. >> >> cheers, >> John S. >> >> On 08/04/2017 10:02 AM, Dave Scobie wrote: >>> John: >>> >>> the boards on my M17 are 3/8". what year is your M17? SWEET PEA is an >>> '83 >>> using the v.2 deck mold (ie, no transom cutout). >>> >>> >>> :: Dave Scobie >>> :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred >>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - http://www.m17-375.webs.com >>> :: Sage 17 #1 - AIR BORN - http://sagemarine.us/sage_17.html >>> :: Sage 15 sloop #001 - ASOLARE - http://sagemarine.us/sage_15.html >>> :: SageCat #000 - SAGECAT - http://sagemarine.us/sagecat.html >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 10:44 AM, John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks...you mean 1/2" teak ply? My boards are 1/2" thick, not 3/8" - >>>> maybe the smaller companionway on the Sage 15 works with 3/8". Too thin >>>> for >>>> mine. >>>> >>>> Mine is one you made, #38, June 1974, back in the day... :-) >>>> >>>> cheers, >>>> John S. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 08/03/2017 03:30 PM, jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org wrote: >>>> >>>>> try contacting Dave Scobie at Sage- he had a big stack of 3/8 teak ply >>>>> that looked pretty good- he uses it in the new 15. Dave has an M-17 >>>>> that >>>>> they can use for a pattern, but you'll probably need to cut the top to >>>>> fit- >>>>> no problem. This assuming that your boat is one that I made- if not, >>>>> there >>>>> might be changes. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer >>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 3:22 PM >>>>> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >>>>> Subject: M_Boats: Replacing companionway boards - options, advice >>>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> I'm contemplating what to use for new companionway boards on my M17. >>>>> It came with some probably previous-owner-made plywood ones that are >>>>> warped enough across their width that they don't line up well any more, >>>>> especially the joint between the middle and top one (3 boards on mine). >>>>> >>>>> What has anyone used for companionway boards? >>>>> >>>>> Looking for experiences anyone has had with various options. >>>>> >>>>> I'm pondering something like Starboard. Anyone had problems with >>>>> sagging/warping in hot weather? Or thermal expansion/contraction? >>>>> >>>>> I am also wondering if the lighter weight Starboard XL would work - >>>>> anyone used that for anything? Mostly it just says it's 30% lighter, >>>>> and >>>>> has "less structural strength." But not clear exactly what that >>>>> means...for this kind of application. >>>>> >>>>> Looking for a reasonable combination of price vs. durability. And low >>>>> maintenance is desirable. >>>>> >>>>> Thus the questions about plastic board products. Oiled teak would look >>>>> gorgeous but I think it would cost a fortune. >>>>> >>>>> thanks, >>>>> John S. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >>>> -------------------------------------------- >>>> - Eco-Living - >>>> Whole Systems Design Services >>>> People - Place - Learning - Integration >>>> john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >>>> http://eco-living.net >>>> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >>>> >>>> >> > >-- >John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >-------------------------------------------- >- Eco-Living - >Whole Systems Design Services >People - Place - Learning - Integration >john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >http://eco-living.net >http://sociocracyconsulting.com > >

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1981 M17
by Manuel Stein 15 Aug '17

15 Aug '17

For sale,1981 M17, sail #330,furling headsail; replace SS rigging 2008,new breaker elect. panel and motor mount 2013; 2004 low hrs. 4hp-long shaft 4-cycle Yama OB; chalky fiber-glass; galvanized trailer/spare tire; $3800. Stored in Carson City, NV. Contact via e-mail or775-298-2481.

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Re: M_Boats: 3.5 motor…yeah, that's the ticket Jazz
by Michael Ray Wisely 15 Aug '17

15 Aug '17

In answer to Jazz's question. I do think the 3.5 longshaft is the ticket. I considered the smaller Honda, but after talking to a mechanic and trying one out (the smaller Honda) on my 17, the Tohatsu 3.5 did more, easier and much quieter, at about the same price point. Also, fun fact: If you get a bigger boat someday, the 3.5 can be modified to a 4, 5 or 6 horse Tohatsu (don't know exact info about this)…with additional costs…of course. Don't know the details, but I have read about it and it was confirmed by my mechanic. Full disclosure…the 7 horse mid 90's Honda that the boat came with was also quiet and had plenty of power, but the vintage didn't make me feel comfortable.

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Re: M_Boats: 3.5 tohatsu for m17
by Josh ua 14 Aug '17

14 Aug '17

Hi all, Sounds like the tohatsu brand has a nearly universal positive review... Do you think the 3.5hp is excessive for the M15? Theres not much weight difference from 2.5hp motor but i have seen thrust numbers around 90lbs for the 3.5 vs. Somwhere in the 60s for the 2.5. Would the extra thrust be worth the few pounds of extra weight astern? Motoring against a higher headwind in case of a rigging failure eliminating sail power as an option or caught out with wind increasing beyond sail plan or sailor capabilities (injury?) I understand it would be of little advantage against a current since hull speed is hull speed. I guess I am trying to solicit a reason not to go bigger since i can't think of one on my own. On Aug 11, 2017 1:00 PM, <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Electric Motor/ Gas engine (Michael Ray Wisely) 2. M-15 trailer (tom(a)westtexasswimcoaching.com) 3. Re: M-15 trailer (Bob Eeg) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 20:50:56 -0700 From: Michael Ray Wisely <michaelraywisely(a)earthlink.net> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Electric Motor/ Gas engine Message-ID: <F79277C2-FC1A-41DA-9646-51761B927441(a)earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 My 2 cents, I bought a new Tohatsu 3.5 longshaft for my Monty 17 when I owned it. It was the best investment I could have made. The mechanic I took it to for a "seasonal check up" said it they love Tohatsu's because they are the easiest to work on and very reliable. That was my take as well. Never pulled more than Twice in 5 years and with a little tiny 2 gal. tank in the aft compartment (plus some fuel stabilizer) I knew I was good to go on any occasion. At the end of the sail. I would disconnect the tank about 50 ' from the dock and let the engine run out while I put stuff away. After having boats and living aboard for many years, It was a great feeling to have the peace of mind that comes with well thought out equipment that really works?much like Monty's themselves. Electric motors trends are moving right along?but I think it will be years until price and pound for pound, they make sense for a sailor. Former Monty 17 owner?maybe future Sage owner. Michael Ray On Aug 7, 2017, at 11:00 AM, montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com wrote: > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ montgomery_boats > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: electric motor (jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org) > 2. Re: electric motor (jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org) > 3. Re: electric motor (casioqv(a)usermail.com) > 4. Re: electric motor (Rick Davies) > 5. Re: electric motor (Steve Trapp) > 6. Re: electric motor (Lawrence Winiarski) > 7. Re: electric motor (Thomas Buzzi) > 8. Re: electric motor (Thomas Buzzi) > 9. Re: electric motor (Rick Davies) > 10. Re: electric motor (jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org) > 11. Re: electric motor (Steve Trapp) > 12. Re: British Seagull (jslubliner(a)aol.com) > 13. Re: electric motor (John Schinnerer) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2017 12:04:19 -0700 > From: <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> > To: <bkurlancheek(a)gmail.com>, "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor > Message-ID: <7950A99B705D44F2A2237DD6952868C3@CH002914> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; > reply-type=original > > The 15 was designed for a short shaft,. but some complain that it cavitates > when people go fwd, and prefer the long shaft because of that. Not me! > > -----Original Message----- > From: brad kurlancheek > Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2017 10:09 AM > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor > > i've had the same experience, using the cheapie 30 lb thrust > on my monty 15 > > i figure it weighs 10 to 15 lbs, and the battery's about 20 pounds; > plus a 15 watt solar panel > > lately i've been thinking of going instead with a suzuki 2.5; it weighs > 29 pounds - total weight including gas may just be less than the trolling > motor setup > > am just not sure which size shaft to go with - the 15" "short", or the > 20" "long" > > any suggestions or experience with either? i did read the article on > this in the MSOG website - i'd rather go with the "short", but am just > concerned i won't be able to get the prop down low enough so as to > actually be well within the water > > thanks > > On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 2:00 PM, < > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > >> Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ >> montgomery_boats >> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. elect. motor (jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org) >> 2. Re: elect. motor (jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org) >> 3. Re: elect. motor (Timothy JarviMD) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 12:12:50 -0700 >> From: <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> >> To: "'For and abmontgomery forum" >> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: M_Boats: elect. motor >> Message-ID: <DA09D234268849B98883323D0253A4CD@CH002914> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> I know this has been talked about before, but I just got an elect trolling >> motor; a cheapie with 30 lbs thrust, and used it on my Sage 17 at the >> Monterey race (NOT during the race!) last weekend. It did the job >> surprisingly well, and probably pushed the boat at 2 or 1.5 knots in no >> wind. I used it to get out of the marina and towards the starting line >> and it was perfect for that. Probably ran it about a half hour total and >> the when I returned I hooked it up to the charger and it was at 90%. >> Perfect. >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 12:16:54 -0700 >> From: <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> >> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" >> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: elect. motor >> Message-ID: <D746AB336F6E4E5084CBF9DDDAC0CB8F@CH002914> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Correct that to 2 to 2.5 knots! >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org >> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 12:12 PM >> To: 'For and abmontgomery forum >> Subject: M_Boats: elect. motor >> >> I know this has been talked about before, but I just got an elect trolling >> motor; a cheapie with 30 lbs thrust, and used it on my Sage 17 at the >> Monterey race (NOT during the race!) last weekend. It did the job >> surprisingly well, and probably pushed the boat at 2 or 1.5 knots in no >> wind. I used it to get out of the marina and towards the starting line >> and >> it was perfect for that. Probably ran it about a half hour total and the >> when I returned I hooked it up to the charger and it was at 90%. Perfect. >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 15:21:06 -0400 >> From: Timothy JarviMD <tjarvi(a)esnm.us> >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: elect. motor >> Message-ID: >> <CACknUZU41PNHue_Kbp5dR7CGmBNwmiLmBRtv9674xWBm- >> z_XnA(a)mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> Put one and a solar panel on the flush deck. Works well, I agree! >> Had no luck finding a 4 stroke that would fit in the outboard well and not >> have the prop hit the rudder when not even close to hard-over... >> >> On Thursday, July 27, 2017, <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> wrote: >> >>> I know this has been talked about before, but I just got an elect >> trolling >>> motor; a cheapie with 30 lbs thrust, and used it on my Sage 17 at the >>> Monterey race (NOT during the race!) last weekend. It did the job >>> surprisingly well, and probably pushed the boat at 2 or 1.5 knots in no >>> wind. I used it to get out of the marina and towards the starting line >>> and it was perfect for that. Probably ran it about a half hour total >>> and >>> the when I returned I hooked it up to the charger and it was at 90%. >>> Perfect. >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> montgomery_boats mailing list >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >> https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> >> Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 173, Issue 21 >> ************************************************* >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2017 12:08:03 -0700 > From: <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> > To: <bkurlancheek(a)gmail.com>, "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor > Message-ID: <3ECFC1BC957342B1A71A0AB9686537A7@CH002914> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; > reply-type=original > > You're right about the weight of the battery (mine's a lot heavier than > that), but the weight can go forward and low in the boat rather than hi and > over the transom. Any weight up hi is anti ballast; down low it becomes > ballast. > > -----Original Message----- > From: brad kurlancheek > Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2017 10:09 AM > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor > > i've had the same experience, using the cheapie 30 lb thrust > on my monty 15 > > i figure it weighs 10 to 15 lbs, and the battery's about 20 pounds; > plus a 15 watt solar panel > > lately i've been thinking of going instead with a suzuki 2.5; it weighs > 29 pounds - total weight including gas may just be less than the trolling > motor setup > > am just not sure which size shaft to go with - the 15" "short", or the > 20" "long" > > any suggestions or experience with either? i did read the article on > this in the MSOG website - i'd rather go with the "short", but am just > concerned i won't be able to get the prop down low enough so as to > actually be well within the water > > thanks > > On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 2:00 PM, < > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > >> Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ >> montgomery_boats >> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. elect. motor (jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org) >> 2. Re: elect. motor (jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org) >> 3. Re: elect. motor (Timothy JarviMD) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 12:12:50 -0700 >> From: <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> >> To: "'For and abmontgomery forum" >> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: M_Boats: elect. motor >> Message-ID: <DA09D234268849B98883323D0253A4CD@CH002914> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> I know this has been talked about before, but I just got an elect trolling >> motor; a cheapie with 30 lbs thrust, and used it on my Sage 17 at the >> Monterey race (NOT during the race!) last weekend. It did the job >> surprisingly well, and probably pushed the boat at 2 or 1.5 knots in no >> wind. I used it to get out of the marina and towards the starting line >> and it was perfect for that. Probably ran it about a half hour total and >> the when I returned I hooked it up to the charger and it was at 90%. >> Perfect. >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 12:16:54 -0700 >> From: <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> >> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" >> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: elect. motor >> Message-ID: <D746AB336F6E4E5084CBF9DDDAC0CB8F@CH002914> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Correct that to 2 to 2.5 knots! >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org >> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 12:12 PM >> To: 'For and abmontgomery forum >> Subject: M_Boats: elect. motor >> >> I know this has been talked about before, but I just got an elect trolling >> motor; a cheapie with 30 lbs thrust, and used it on my Sage 17 at the >> Monterey race (NOT during the race!) last weekend. It did the job >> surprisingly well, and probably pushed the boat at 2 or 1.5 knots in no >> wind. I used it to get out of the marina and towards the starting line >> and >> it was perfect for that. Probably ran it about a half hour total and the >> when I returned I hooked it up to the charger and it was at 90%. Perfect. >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 15:21:06 -0400 >> From: Timothy JarviMD <tjarvi(a)esnm.us> >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: elect. motor >> Message-ID: >> <CACknUZU41PNHue_Kbp5dR7CGmBNwmiLmBRtv9674xWBm- >> z_XnA(a)mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> Put one and a solar panel on the flush deck. Works well, I agree! >> Had no luck finding a 4 stroke that would fit in the outboard well and not >> have the prop hit the rudder when not even close to hard-over... >> >> On Thursday, July 27, 2017, <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> wrote: >> >>> I know this has been talked about before, but I just got an elect >> trolling >>> motor; a cheapie with 30 lbs thrust, and used it on my Sage 17 at the >>> Monterey race (NOT during the race!) last weekend. It did the job >>> surprisingly well, and probably pushed the boat at 2 or 1.5 knots in no >>> wind. I used it to get out of the marina and towards the starting line >>> and it was perfect for that. Probably ran it about a half hour total >>> and >>> the when I returned I hooked it up to the charger and it was at 90%. >>> Perfect. >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> montgomery_boats mailing list >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >> https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> >> Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 173, Issue 21 >> ************************************************* >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2017 15:30:56 -0700 (PDT) > From: casioqv(a)usermail.com > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor > Message-ID: > <1912092728.1619086.1502058656662.JavaMail.zimbra(a)usermail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > If really want a light motor, none of the newer ones compare well to any of the old 2-stroke 2hp motors that can be found cheap nowadays. I really like my 19lb Yamaha 2hp, but used to have a Cruise'N'Carry that only weighed 12 lbs, but was much lower quality and louder than the Yamaha. > > Tyler > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "brad kurlancheek" <bkurlancheek(a)gmail.com> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman. xmission.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 10:09:08 AM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor > > i've had the same experience, using the cheapie 30 lb thrust > on my monty 15 > > i figure it weighs 10 to 15 lbs, and the battery's about 20 pounds; > plus a 15 watt solar panel > > lately i've been thinking of going instead with a suzuki 2.5; it weighs > 29 pounds - total weight including gas may just be less than the trolling > motor setup > > am just not sure which size shaft to go with - the 15" "short", or the > 20" "long" > > any suggestions or experience with either? i did read the article on > this in the MSOG website - i'd rather go with the "short", but am just > concerned i won't be able to get the prop down low enough so as to > actually be well within the water > > thanks > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2017 23:54:03 +0000 > From: Rick Davies <jdavies104(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor > Message-ID: > <CA+0OvVjLk7qvEbO5mURizAd3NsFdxLujp5xtE+QQ=R5BxWQdLg(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Reminds me of the British Seagull that I used for years in the 60s to power > my 24 ft Rainbow sloop ?. Sold it with the boat and it may still be > running somewhere. > > Rick > M17 #633 > Lynne L > > On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 6:31 PM <casioqv(a)usermail.com> wrote: > >> If really want a light motor, none of the newer ones compare well to any >> of the old 2-stroke 2hp motors that can be found cheap nowadays. I really >> like my 19lb Yamaha 2hp, but used to have a Cruise'N'Carry that only >> weighed 12 lbs, but was much lower quality and louder than the Yamaha. >> >> Tyler >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "brad kurlancheek" <bkurlancheek(a)gmail.com> >> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 10:09:08 AM >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor >> >> i've had the same experience, using the cheapie 30 lb thrust >> on my monty 15 >> >> i figure it weighs 10 to 15 lbs, and the battery's about 20 pounds; >> plus a 15 watt solar panel >> >> lately i've been thinking of going instead with a suzuki 2.5; it weighs >> 29 pounds - total weight including gas may just be less than the trolling >> motor setup >> >> am just not sure which size shaft to go with - the 15" "short", or the >> 20" "long" >> >> any suggestions or experience with either? i did read the article on >> this in the MSOG website - i'd rather go with the "short", but am just >> concerned i won't be able to get the prop down low enough so as to >> actually be well within the water >> >> thanks >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2017 18:12:51 -0700 > From: "Steve Trapp" <stevetrapp(a)Q.com> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor > Message-ID: <58D9E51D629E44959B12126D2D26C773@HPPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; > reply-type=original > > Good to read that I am not the only guy hanging on to my old 2 stroke > outboard for my M-15. Ain't the latest technology, but it, like the boat, > have long been paid for. > Steve > M-15 # 335 > > -----Original Message----- > From: casioqv(a)usermail.com > Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 3:30 PM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor > > If really want a light motor, none of the newer ones compare well to any of > the old 2-stroke 2hp motors that can be found cheap nowadays. I really like > my 19lb Yamaha 2hp, but used to have a Cruise'N'Carry that only weighed 12 > lbs, but was much lower quality and louder than the Yamaha. > > Tyler > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "brad kurlancheek" <bkurlancheek(a)gmail.com> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 10:09:08 AM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor > > i've had the same experience, using the cheapie 30 lb thrust > on my monty 15 > > i figure it weighs 10 to 15 lbs, and the battery's about 20 pounds; > plus a 15 watt solar panel > > lately i've been thinking of going instead with a suzuki 2.5; it weighs > 29 pounds - total weight including gas may just be less than the trolling > motor setup > > am just not sure which size shaft to go with - the 15" "short", or the > 20" "long" > > any suggestions or experience with either? i did read the article on > this in the MSOG website - i'd rather go with the "short", but am just > concerned i won't be able to get the prop down low enough so as to > actually be well within the water > > thanks > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2017 01:46:22 +0000 (UTC) > From: Lawrence Winiarski <lawrence_winiarski(a)yahoo.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>, "bkurlancheek(a)gmail.com" > <bkurlancheek(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor > Message-ID: <1593431667.804766.1502070382350(a)mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > Anyone have an example for a mount for a gas _and_ a trolling motor side-by-side? > Like an adapter to those spring-up mounts to make the mount top into a "T" ? > > > > > > From: "jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org" <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> > To: bkurlancheek(a)gmail.com; For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 12:11 PM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor > > You're right about the weight of the battery (mine's a lot heavier than > that),? but the weight can go forward and low in the boat rather than hi and > over the transom.? Any weight up hi is anti ballast; down low it becomes > ballast. > > -----Original Message----- > From: brad kurlancheek > Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2017 10:09 AM > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor > > i've had the same experience, using the cheapie 30 lb thrust > on my monty 15 > > i figure it weighs 10 to 15 lbs, and the battery's about 20 pounds; > plus a 15 watt solar panel > > lately i've been thinking of going instead with a suzuki 2.5; it weighs > 29 pounds - total weight including gas may just be less than the trolling > motor setup > > am just not sure which size shaft to go with - the 15" "short", or the > 20" "long" > > any suggestions or experience with either?? i did read the article on > this in the MSOG website - i'd rather go with the "short", but am just > concerned i won't be able to get the prop down low enough so as to > actually be well within the water > > thanks > > On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 2:00 PM, < > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > >> Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to >> ? ? ? ? montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> ? ? ? ? https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ >> montgomery_boats >> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> ? ? ? ? montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> ? ? ? ? montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> ? ? 1. elect. motor (jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org) >> ? ? 2. Re: elect. motor (jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org) >> ? ? 3. Re: elect. motor (Timothy JarviMD) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 12:12:50 -0700 >> From: <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> >> To: "'For and abmontgomery forum" >> ? ? ? ? <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: M_Boats: elect. motor >> Message-ID: <DA09D234268849B98883323D0253A4CD@CH002914> >> Content-Type: text/plain;? ? ? charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> I know this has been talked about before, but I just got an elect trolling >> motor; a cheapie with 30 lbs thrust, and used it on my Sage 17 at the >> Monterey race (NOT during the race!) last weekend.? It did the job >> surprisingly well, and probably pushed the boat at 2 or 1.5 knots in no >> wind.? I used it to get out of the marina and towards the starting line >> and it was perfect for that.? Probably ran it about a half hour total and >> the when I returned I hooked it up to the charger and it was at 90%. >> Perfect. >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 12:16:54 -0700 >> From: <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> >> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" >> ? ? ? ? <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: elect. motor >> Message-ID: <D746AB336F6E4E5084CBF9DDDAC0CB8F@CH002914> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> ? ? ? ? reply-type=original >> >> Correct that to 2 to 2.5 knots! >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org >> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 12:12 PM >> To: 'For and abmontgomery forum >> Subject: M_Boats: elect. motor >> >> I know this has been talked about before, but I just got an elect trolling >> motor; a cheapie with 30 lbs thrust, and used it on my Sage 17 at the >> Monterey race (NOT during the race!) last weekend.? It did the job >> surprisingly well, and probably pushed the boat at 2 or 1.5 knots in no >> wind.? I used it to get out of the marina and towards the starting line >> and >> it was perfect for that.? Probably ran it about a half hour total and the >> when I returned I hooked it up to the charger and it was at 90%.? Perfect. >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 15:21:06 -0400 >> From: Timothy JarviMD <tjarvi(a)esnm.us> >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >> ? ? ? ? <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: elect. motor >> Message-ID: >> ? ? ? ? <CACknUZU41PNHue_Kbp5dR7CGmBNwmiLmBRtv9674xWBm- >> z_XnA(a)mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> Put one and a solar panel on the flush deck. Works well, I agree! >> Had no luck finding a 4 stroke that would fit in the outboard well and not >> have the prop hit the rudder when not even close to hard-over... >> >> On Thursday, July 27, 2017, <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> wrote: >> >>> I know this has been talked about before, but I just got an elect >> trolling >>> motor; a cheapie with 30 lbs thrust, and used it on my Sage 17 at the >>> Monterey race (NOT during the race!) last weekend.? It did the job >>> surprisingly well, and probably pushed the boat at 2 or 1.5 knots in no >>> wind.? I used it to get out of the marina and towards the starting line >>> and it was perfect for that.? Probably ran it about a half hour total >>> and >>> the when I returned I hooked it up to the charger and it was at 90%. >>> Perfect. >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> montgomery_boats mailing list >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >> https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> >> Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 173, Issue 21 >> ************************************************* >> > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2017 21:55:27 -0500 > From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor > Message-ID: > <CA+TbpAV2RmVz6W-XTFgVDMtypOpNfbVtY6yoXt908Ncf+xGRvw(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Yeah, Steve, I sure would hang on tight to that ole 2 hp two stroke. They > are very hard to find now a days. > Bought a 3.5 Tohatsu for my 17 and it weighs 40 pounds but it runs fine. > > On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 8:12 PM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> wrote: > >> Good to read that I am not the only guy hanging on to my old 2 stroke >> outboard for my M-15. Ain't the latest technology, but it, like the boat, >> have long been paid for. >> Steve >> M-15 # 335 >> >> -----Original Message----- From: casioqv(a)usermail.com >> Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 3:30 PM >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor >> >> If really want a light motor, none of the newer ones compare well to any >> of the old 2-stroke 2hp motors that can be found cheap nowadays. I really >> like my 19lb Yamaha 2hp, but used to have a Cruise'N'Carry that only >> weighed 12 lbs, but was much lower quality and louder than the Yamaha. >> >> Tyler >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "brad kurlancheek" <bkurlancheek(a)gmail.com> >> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmis >> sion.com> >> Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 10:09:08 AM >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor >> >> i've had the same experience, using the cheapie 30 lb thrust >> on my monty 15 >> >> i figure it weighs 10 to 15 lbs, and the battery's about 20 pounds; >> plus a 15 watt solar panel >> >> lately i've been thinking of going instead with a suzuki 2.5; it weighs >> 29 pounds - total weight including gas may just be less than the trolling >> motor setup >> >> am just not sure which size shaft to go with - the 15" "short", or the >> 20" "long" >> >> any suggestions or experience with either? i did read the article on >> this in the MSOG website - i'd rather go with the "short", but am just >> concerned i won't be able to get the prop down low enough so as to >> actually be well within the water >> >> thanks >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2017 21:56:49 -0500 > From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor > Message-ID: > <CA+TbpAWM5x_pviSq0ohhjk7eiQZBg-He+D-hwGpUJSGOeDDqTA(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > I remember those Seagulls. Always seemed like they forgot half the engine > when they put them together. > > On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 6:54 PM, Rick Davies <jdavies104(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Reminds me of the British Seagull that I used for years in the 60s to power >> my 24 ft Rainbow sloop ?. Sold it with the boat and it may still be >> running somewhere. >> >> Rick >> M17 #633 >> Lynne L >> >> On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 6:31 PM <casioqv(a)usermail.com> wrote: >> >>> If really want a light motor, none of the newer ones compare well to any >>> of the old 2-stroke 2hp motors that can be found cheap nowadays. I really >>> like my 19lb Yamaha 2hp, but used to have a Cruise'N'Carry that only >>> weighed 12 lbs, but was much lower quality and louder than the Yamaha. >>> >>> Tyler >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "brad kurlancheek" <bkurlancheek(a)gmail.com> >>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < >>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 10:09:08 AM >>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor >>> >>> i've had the same experience, using the cheapie 30 lb thrust >>> on my monty 15 >>> >>> i figure it weighs 10 to 15 lbs, and the battery's about 20 pounds; >>> plus a 15 watt solar panel >>> >>> lately i've been thinking of going instead with a suzuki 2.5; it weighs >>> 29 pounds - total weight including gas may just be less than the trolling >>> motor setup >>> >>> am just not sure which size shaft to go with - the 15" "short", or the >>> 20" "long" >>> >>> any suggestions or experience with either? i did read the article on >>> this in the MSOG website - i'd rather go with the "short", but am just >>> concerned i won't be able to get the prop down low enough so as to >>> actually be well within the water >>> >>> thanks >>> >>> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2017 12:38:31 +0000 > From: Rick Davies <jdavies104(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor > Message-ID: > <CA+0OvVjw_yO2s9E0kTQSqbYNBc3BN6XxZqU_+kuhAs4qAri_4A(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Just the bare essentials ?. > > Rick > M17 #633 > Lynne L > > On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 10:57 PM Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> I remember those Seagulls. Always seemed like they forgot half the engine >> when they put them together. >> >> On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 6:54 PM, Rick Davies <jdavies104(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Reminds me of the British Seagull that I used for years in the 60s to >> power >>> my 24 ft Rainbow sloop ?. Sold it with the boat and it may still be >>> running somewhere. >>> >>> Rick >>> M17 #633 >>> Lynne L >>> >>> On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 6:31 PM <casioqv(a)usermail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> If really want a light motor, none of the newer ones compare well to >> any >>>> of the old 2-stroke 2hp motors that can be found cheap nowadays. I >> really >>>> like my 19lb Yamaha 2hp, but used to have a Cruise'N'Carry that only >>>> weighed 12 lbs, but was much lower quality and louder than the Yamaha. >>>> >>>> Tyler >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "brad kurlancheek" <bkurlancheek(a)gmail.com> >>>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < >>>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >>>> Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 10:09:08 AM >>>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor >>>> >>>> i've had the same experience, using the cheapie 30 lb thrust >>>> on my monty 15 >>>> >>>> i figure it weighs 10 to 15 lbs, and the battery's about 20 pounds; >>>> plus a 15 watt solar panel >>>> >>>> lately i've been thinking of going instead with a suzuki 2.5; it weighs >>>> 29 pounds - total weight including gas may just be less than the >> trolling >>>> motor setup >>>> >>>> am just not sure which size shaft to go with - the 15" "short", or the >>>> 20" "long" >>>> >>>> any suggestions or experience with either? i did read the article on >>>> this in the MSOG website - i'd rather go with the "short", but am just >>>> concerned i won't be able to get the prop down low enough so as to >>>> actually be well within the water >>>> >>>> thanks >>>> >>>> >>> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2017 08:20:25 -0700 > From: <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor > Message-ID: <8E53B161591F4B389569803CC7431A18@CH002914> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; > reply-type=original > > I had one of the big Seagulls on as Balboa 20- it always ran altho it took > constant fiddling. Left an oil slick wherever it went. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick Davies > Sent: Monday, August 07, 2017 5:38 AM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor > > Just the bare essentials ?. > > Rick > M17 #633 > Lynne L > > On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 10:57 PM Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> I remember those Seagulls. Always seemed like they forgot half the engine >> when they put them together. >> >> On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 6:54 PM, Rick Davies <jdavies104(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Reminds me of the British Seagull that I used for years in the 60s to >> power >>> my 24 ft Rainbow sloop ?. Sold it with the boat and it may still be >>> running somewhere. >>> >>> Rick >>> M17 #633 >>> Lynne L >>> >>> On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 6:31 PM <casioqv(a)usermail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> If really want a light motor, none of the newer ones compare well to >> any >>>> of the old 2-stroke 2hp motors that can be found cheap nowadays. I >> really >>>> like my 19lb Yamaha 2hp, but used to have a Cruise'N'Carry that only >>>> weighed 12 lbs, but was much lower quality and louder than the Yamaha. >>>> >>>> Tyler >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "brad kurlancheek" <bkurlancheek(a)gmail.com> >>>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < >>>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >>>> Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 10:09:08 AM >>>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor >>>> >>>> i've had the same experience, using the cheapie 30 lb thrust >>>> on my monty 15 >>>> >>>> i figure it weighs 10 to 15 lbs, and the battery's about 20 pounds; >>>> plus a 15 watt solar panel >>>> >>>> lately i've been thinking of going instead with a suzuki 2.5; it >>>> weighs >>>> 29 pounds - total weight including gas may just be less than the >> trolling >>>> motor setup >>>> >>>> am just not sure which size shaft to go with - the 15" "short", or the >>>> 20" "long" >>>> >>>> any suggestions or experience with either? i did read the article on >>>> this in the MSOG website - i'd rather go with the "short", but am just >>>> concerned i won't be able to get the prop down low enough so as to >>>> actually be well within the water >>>> >>>> thanks >>>> >>>> >>> >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2017 18:12:51 -0700 > From: "Steve Trapp" <stevetrapp(a)Q.com> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor > Message-ID: <7695EB4D41614BCD86AD5C48B47F9B55@HPPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; > reply-type=original > > Good to read that I am not the only guy hanging on to my old 2 stroke > outboard for my M-15. Ain't the latest technology, but it, like the boat, > have long been paid for. > Steve > M-15 # 335 > > -----Original Message----- > From: casioqv(a)usermail.com > Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 3:30 PM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor > > If really want a light motor, none of the newer ones compare well to any of > the old 2-stroke 2hp motors that can be found cheap nowadays. I really like > my 19lb Yamaha 2hp, but used to have a Cruise'N'Carry that only weighed 12 > lbs, but was much lower quality and louder than the Yamaha. > > Tyler > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "brad kurlancheek" <bkurlancheek(a)gmail.com> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 10:09:08 AM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor > > i've had the same experience, using the cheapie 30 lb thrust > on my monty 15 > > i figure it weighs 10 to 15 lbs, and the battery's about 20 pounds; > plus a 15 watt solar panel > > lately i've been thinking of going instead with a suzuki 2.5; it weighs > 29 pounds - total weight including gas may just be less than the trolling > motor setup > > am just not sure which size shaft to go with - the 15" "short", or the > 20" "long" > > any suggestions or experience with either? i did read the article on > this in the MSOG website - i'd rather go with the "short", but am just > concerned i won't be able to get the prop down low enough so as to > actually be well within the water > > thanks > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2017 13:37:02 -0400 > From: "jslubliner(a)aol.com" <jslubliner(a)aol.com> > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: British Seagull > Message-ID: <15dbdc57c36-c04-3070(a)webjas-vaa007.srv.aolmail.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > My M-17FD (Coyote) came to me from Jerry, through a legendary list of Arizona Sailors -with a Seagull lightweight. Those of you have not experienced this legendary opportunity need to simulate to understand: > > Imagine a very early gas lawn mower, with non-recoil starter rope. Place this in a small outhouse on a warm day and after mixing gas/oil and pouring half of it on your arm and hand, pull and rewind the starter rope 75 times. When it starts, inhale the gas/oil mixture until you can no longer see the outboard through the blue haze. Oh, for full effect, do this with your head below your knees... > > Google British Seagull Outboard for more information. There is an 8 minute video of an older British gentleman demonstrating his Seagull in a trash can. Wonderful. Missing footage of his discussion with his wife after the demo would be classic as well. Directly behind (down wind) from his demo is a full clothes line, receiving a full dose of the smoke from the gas/oil mixture. > > John in Tucson > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jerry <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman. xmission.com> > Sent: Mon, Aug 7, 2017 8:23 am > Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor > > I had one of the big Seagulls on as Balboa 20- it always ran altho it took > constant fiddling. Left an oil slick wherever it went. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick Davies > Sent: Monday, August 07, 2017 5:38 AM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor > > Just the bare essentials ?. > > Rick > M17 #633 > Lynne L > > On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 10:57 PM Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> I remember those Seagulls. Always seemed like they forgot half the engine >> when they put them together. >> >> On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 6:54 PM, Rick Davies <jdavies104(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Reminds me of the British Seagull that I used for years in the 60s to >> power >>> my 24 ft Rainbow sloop ?. Sold it with the boat and it may still be >>> running somewhere. >>> >>> Rick >>> M17 #633 >>> Lynne L >>> >>> On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 6:31 PM <casioqv(a)usermail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> If really want a light motor, none of the newer ones compare well to >> any >>>> of the old 2-stroke 2hp motors that can be found cheap nowadays. I >> really >>>> like my 19lb Yamaha 2hp, but used to have a Cruise'N'Carry that only >>>> weighed 12 lbs, but was much lower quality and louder than the Yamaha. >>>> >>>> Tyler >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "brad kurlancheek" <bkurlancheek(a)gmail.com> >>>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < >>>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >>>> Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 10:09:08 AM >>>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor >>>> >>>> i've had the same experience, using the cheapie 30 lb thrust >>>> on my monty 15 >>>> >>>> i figure it weighs 10 to 15 lbs, and the battery's about 20 pounds; >>>> plus a 15 watt solar panel >>>> >>>> lately i've been thinking of going instead with a suzuki 2.5; it >>>> weighs >>>> 29 pounds - total weight including gas may just be less than the >> trolling >>>> motor setup >>>> >>>> am just not sure which size shaft to go with - the 15" "short", or the >>>> 20" "long" >>>> >>>> any suggestions or experience with either? i did read the article on >>>> this in the MSOG website - i'd rather go with the "short", but am just >>>> concerned i won't be able to get the prop down low enough so as to >>>> actually be well within the water >>>> >>>> thanks >>>> >>>> >>> >> > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2017 10:53:36 -0700 > From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor > Message-ID: <a03b9909-87e8-6793-4721-0b92c60dbc4c(a)eco-living.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Suzuki's own website doesn't show a 20" shaft for their 2.5 hp, only 15". > > Oddly, onlineoutboards.com now does show a 20" shaft option for the > Suzuki 2.5 hp (didn't last time I looked some moths ago). > > But their Honda 2.3 page still also says Honda has the only 20" shaft > model in that power range. > > If Suzuki now does have a 20" shaft 2.5 hp, it's a much cheaper price > than the Honda, and similar weight. But water cooled, so more > maintenance than the air-cooled Honda. > > cheers, > John S. > > On 08/06/2017 10:09 AM, brad kurlancheek wrote: >> i've had the same experience, using the cheapie 30 lb thrust >> on my monty 15 >> >> i figure it weighs 10 to 15 lbs, and the battery's about 20 pounds; >> plus a 15 watt solar panel >> >> lately i've been thinking of going instead with a suzuki 2.5; it weighs >> 29 pounds - total weight including gas may just be less than the trolling >> motor setup >> >> am just not sure which size shaft to go with - the 15" "short", or the >> 20" "long" >> >> any suggestions or experience with either? i did read the article on >> this in the MSOG website - i'd rather go with the "short", but am just >> concerned i won't be able to get the prop down low enough so as to >> actually be well within the water >> >> thanks >> >> On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 2:00 PM, < >> montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: >> >>> Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to >>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ >>> montgomery_boats >>> >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. elect. motor (jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org) >>> 2. Re: elect. motor (jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org) >>> 3. Re: elect. motor (Timothy JarviMD) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 12:12:50 -0700 >>> From: <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> >>> To: "'For and abmontgomery forum" >>> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >>> Subject: M_Boats: elect. motor >>> Message-ID: <DA09D234268849B98883323D0253A4CD@CH002914> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> >>> I know this has been talked about before, but I just got an elect trolling >>> motor; a cheapie with 30 lbs thrust, and used it on my Sage 17 at the >>> Monterey race (NOT during the race!) last weekend. It did the job >>> surprisingly well, and probably pushed the boat at 2 or 1.5 knots in no >>> wind. I used it to get out of the marina and towards the starting line >>> and it was perfect for that. Probably ran it about a half hour total and >>> the when I returned I hooked it up to the charger and it was at 90%. >>> Perfect. >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 12:16:54 -0700 >>> From: <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> >>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" >>> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: elect. motor >>> Message-ID: <D746AB336F6E4E5084CBF9DDDAC0CB8F@CH002914> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >>> reply-type=original >>> >>> Correct that to 2 to 2.5 knots! >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org >>> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 12:12 PM >>> To: 'For and abmontgomery forum >>> Subject: M_Boats: elect. motor >>> >>> I know this has been talked about before, but I just got an elect trolling >>> motor; a cheapie with 30 lbs thrust, and used it on my Sage 17 at the >>> Monterey race (NOT during the race!) last weekend. It did the job >>> surprisingly well, and probably pushed the boat at 2 or 1.5 knots in no >>> wind. I used it to get out of the marina and towards the starting line >>> and >>> it was perfect for that. Probably ran it about a half hour total and the >>> when I returned I hooked it up to the charger and it was at 90%. Perfect. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 3 >>> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 15:21:06 -0400 >>> From: Timothy JarviMD <tjarvi(a)esnm.us> >>> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >>> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: elect. motor >>> Message-ID: >>> <CACknUZU41PNHue_Kbp5dR7CGmBNwmiLmBRtv9674xWBm- >>> z_XnA(a)mail.gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >>> >>> Put one and a solar panel on the flush deck. Works well, I agree! >>> Had no luck finding a 4 stroke that would fit in the outboard well and not >>> have the prop hit the rudder when not even close to hard-over... >>> >>> On Thursday, July 27, 2017, <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> wrote: >>> >>>> I know this has been talked about before, but I just got an elect >>> trolling >>>> motor; a cheapie with 30 lbs thrust, and used it on my Sage 17 at the >>>> Monterey race (NOT during the race!) last weekend. It did the job >>>> surprisingly well, and probably pushed the boat at 2 or 1.5 knots in no >>>> wind. I used it to get out of the marina and towards the starting line >>>> and it was perfect for that. Probably ran it about a half hour total and >>>> the when I returned I hooked it up to the charger and it was at 90%. >>>> Perfect. >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Subject: Digest Footer >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> montgomery_boats mailing list >>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >>> https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >>> >>> Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 173, Issue 21 >>> ************************************************* >>> > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > ------------------------------ > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 174, Issue 4 > ************************************************ ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 04:19:21 -0700 From: <tom(a)westtexasswimcoaching.com> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: M-15 trailer Message-ID: <20170811041921.03ec89b6710f9fd582c5319ab4b7df 72.255d7452eb.wbe(a)email21.godaddy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/list/montgomery_boats. en.html/attachments/20170811/cbd01dc2/attachment.html> ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 13:05:59 +0000 From: Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-15 trailer Message-ID: <BN6PR17MB1522B892A46578C2BCC43EC9B7890@BN6PR17MB1522. namprd17.prod.outlook.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Tom.... Curious of make and model of your new trailer.... And how much? Thanks Bob Sent from my iPad On Aug 11, 2017, at 4:20 AM, "tom(a)westtexasswimcoaching.com<mailto:tom@ westtexasswimcoaching.com>" <tom(a)westtexasswimcoaching.com<mailto:tom@ westtexasswimcoaching.com>> wrote: I bought a new trailer for my M-15. Does anybody want the old one? Everything works. It's in Amarillo TX. Tom Harris M-15 141 ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! ------------------------------ End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 174, Issue 7 ************************************************

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Re: M_Boats: 3.5 tohatsu for m17
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 13 Aug '17

13 Aug '17

Skip, My father had a 5-8 - we used as a dinghy for the family boats when on excursions - Used oars and a 4hp Evinrude and yes it went like a scalded cat - but you need to move forward to get the nose down and then I had no way to reach the outboard tiller/controls - details - Was buckets of fun - have always been looking for the 'shorty' dinghy to use with my M-17. Be careful with an outboard on the little boat - but have FUN! GO M-17 sail# 354 'Tiny Purple Fishes' In a message dated 8/13/2017 12:22:14 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org writes: Are you sure it's one of mine? I made a 5'8" for many years, finally discontinued it as a sailboat because it didn't sail worth beans. The 5-8 was simply a 6-8 with 6" cut off both ends, and the only justification for it was that it fit perfectly over the doghouse on a Westsail 32. The 6-8 was a great boat and as a sailboat was pretty close to being a match for Sabots and El Toros. The 6-8 would plane like crazy with a 4 hp Johnson, altho you didn't hear that here. -----Original Message----- From: Skip Campion via montgomery_boats Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 5:34 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: 3.5 tohatsu for m17 Jerry & John, Thanks for the feedback. It makes sense about fouling up the plugs with such a rich oil mixture. I ended up upgrading my 2-cycle Tohatsu with a 4-cycle, since I felt bad about the oil slick I left behind. The Chesapeake Bay has enough issues without me contributing. Speaking of the Tanaka, I have a Cruise N' Carry 1.5 hanging in the garage. It too is an oil slick waiting to happen. But I'm holding on to it as my planned power source for my latest restoration project. I am restoring a 1972 vintage M-5.5 Montgomery pram. I'm not sure what the intended power source was for this little tug, since it didn't come with oarlocks and it wasn't set up as a sailing pram. I'm hoping to install a pair of oarlocks during the restoration. Of course, I haven't attempted to sit in the dinghy in a rowing position to see if manual propulsion is even possible. There is no cut out under the rear bench for my feet, so my knees might be in the way for rowing? Details, details..........I'll just figure it all out when I get there. lol Besides, since the M-5.5 wasn't in production for long, maybe it wasn't practical for actual use? Jerry, maybe you could jump in and give a brief history of the M-5.5? I once tried to use a trolling motor to power the pram, since it was small & lightweight. Of course, when I added the battery, the water nearly crested the gunwales. I should have just hung that 4hp Evinrude off the back..........it would have been lighter! lol Skip -----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sun, Aug 13, 2017 12:21 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: 3.5 tohatsu for m17 Speaking of tiny light motors...what I've been getting by with on my M17 is a vintage 1980's Tanaka 1.75 (sold under AquaBug brand - they also sold under some other brands I think including their own name). It's a short shaft so even on the pivoting mount I have, would be no good in swell or chop (I lowered the mount board an inch more just to get it low enough to work at all). Needs weight aft in cockpit to keep the exhaust under water (just above prop). Centrifugal clutch, and swivel 180 deg. for reverse. Probably wouldn't last long in salt water, and I wouldn't want to have to trust it on big water far from shelter in any case. Just getting by for now. It's enough to get in and out of a slip if the wind is just the wrong way to sail in/out (usually can sail in/out where she is this month, Howard Prairie lake in S. OR, I have a slip bow into the "usual" wind). And enough to motor back a ways if the wind just totally drops. Haven't measured it but I'd guess it pushes her 3.5-4 knots at just under full throttle. It's a weed whacker with a prop shaft & tiller arm, basically. Simple & light, haven't weighed it but I'm sure it's under 20 lbs, probably 15-17 lbs.. >From my experience with auto motors, ditto what Jerry said, if the motor is built with a specified RPM range, running it continually up near the top of that is not a major issue. It's built for that. It might use a bit more fuel, and be a bit noisier. The old air-cooled VW is a classic example - runs up around 4000+ at freeway speeds, and will do that for a long, long time with basic maintenance and kept from overheating. Those motors were used for industrial applications also, running many days straight at high RPM for many years of service. I'm not saying run at max revs all the time is great. But 7/8 or 9/10 of max revs is not much different, to the motor, than say 2/3 revs. And on 2-strokes, lots of slow running definitely fouls plugs quicker (oil in the fuel mix accumulating faster on plug). Likewise for older cars (carburetor ones) driven only around town, the cylinder heads carbon up quickly without some high speed running to blow it out. The old-days fix was to rev 'em up and slowly pour some water down the carb, the steam would break the carbonization loose. Tohatsu's break-in spec for their small outboards includes running them fairly hard fairly early on - to seat the rings, which won't necessarily seat properly without that. cheers, John S. On 08/12/2017 12:40 AM, jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org wrote: > I don't claim to know what I'm talking about, but I suspect that the > motor doesn't really care how fast it's being run. I grew up with > outboards and I remember carbon problems with motors that were not run > fairly hard. 25s and 40s were as big as they got when I was in hi > school, and when used for water skiing they would last all summer w/o > changing the plugs, but if we did much fishing, new plugs every few days. > > I wish Honda or someone would make a 1 or 1 1/2 that weighed about 20 > lbs. My friend Tom Van Atta in Tucson used to have an ancient 1 1/2 > Johnson; it did fine but it needed full throttle on a 17. I have an old > Johnson leaning against the wall in my living room (!) that I might fix > up some day. A couple of years ago a good-looking young gal (maybe > about 60) came by my shop and asked if I fixed motors. When I said "no" > she gave it to me. It's got the old wind-up rope starter like one I had > when I was a kid. We lived on the Williamette River and in the summer > when the river was low there were many gravel bars; I could change the > sheer pin with my eyes shut. That motor definitely got run wide open, > year after year. Seems like it was 1 hp but I really don't remember > since that was about 70 years ago. I do remember that it was important > to put oil in the gas. > ... -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com

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4hp Evinrude
by Henry Rodriguez 13 Aug '17

13 Aug '17

Tom, I'm fortunate in that I am able to keep Monita on a mooring buoy near my home. I can approach the buoy from any direction depending on which way the wind blows. This means I can always sail on and off the mooring. I never have to use the motor for my regular mooring. But I do need it to back away from the dock or beach when taking the kids swimming, and of course at the ramp. My regular motor is an old Mariner 5hp long shaft that I picked up from a friend of Bones'. It is very light and works well enough but with the single cylinder it vibrates a lot. Nothing like the sewing machine smoothness of a two cylinder Evinrude! Henry -- Sent from Gmail Mobile on Windows 10 phone

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Good Posting Style
by David Grah 12 Aug '17

12 Aug '17

I hope there isn't too much eye rolling when I post this, but when replying to the group good style is to not do it with and entire digest in the body of your reply. It makes for way too much text to wade through to see what people are currently saying. To avoid this, don't reply to a digest or delete the parts that don't apply directly to your posting. Thanks! David GrahBishop CaliforniaMontgomery 15

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Re: M_Boats: Small outboards
by bownez＠juno.com 12 Aug '17

12 Aug '17

I have a 2hp Evenrude "Mate" in the garage. I have had it on 14ft fishing boats, but never on my M17. I has no transmission or neutral, you spin the head to go in reverse. This could make for some anxious moments in a crowded marina. I use a 2001 Yamaha 4 stroke 4hp on the M17, which has been a delightful motor. I was told they are no longer available. Years ago borrowed an antique Johnson 3 hp shortshaft twin from a fishing buddy to test on the M17. It was his dads. It was one of the red ones with a canvas carrying case. A bit on the dirty, smoky side, but I got lots of compliments on the cool, old outboard. Mr. Bones ____________________________________________________________ After Weeks Of Rumors, Joanna Gaines Comes Clean trecommanews.com http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/598effefb7f7d7fef3521st04vuc

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