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Re: M_Boats: Monty 17 companion way boards.
by Jon Barber 30 Nov '17

30 Nov '17

Have Bob Eeg make a set for you. On Nov 30, 2017 11:01 AM, <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Starboard for companionway boards (John Schinnerer) 2. Re: Starboard for companionway boards (Thomas Buzzi) 3. Re: Starboard for companionway boards (bownez(a)juno.com) 4. Re: Starboard for companionway boards (Ken W) 5. Re: Starboard for companionway boards (Dave Scobie) 6. Re: Starboard for companionway boards (Gary Oberbeck) 7. Re: Starboard for companionway boards (Mark Dvorscak) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 20:51:14 -0800 From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Starboard for companionway boards Message-ID: <b02c5828-ff7e-4e1a-d491-41f654dbb4b5(a)eco-living.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Hi All, Has anyone here used 3/8" starboard for companionway boards? Or worked with it for anything else? I'm just wondering if it's stiff enough for the span of those boards. I know 1/2" would be. Really need to replace my boards this off-season...would like something totally water/rot/warp proof for the bottom board at least. Turns out the west coast transfer warehouse for King Plastics is about 20 minutes from here, in the north Medford industrial zone. Ironically they can't actually sell me full sheets, they'd have to refer me to a distributor - but they do custom cutting for McMasters-Carr and have a cut-offs ('scrap') pile, cash/check only, that changes week to week. So it's just a matter of waiting for the right leftovers...black or white only though, no fancy colors. cheers, John S. -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 23:06:44 -0600 From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Starboard for companionway boards Message-ID: <CA+TbpAX2jD-=mq=TEkhUoZ+u5T+s2F9Pv6pT3X-M2Qozpqf3Vg(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Bet they would work fine, John. If you get pooped by a whopper of a following sea they might give but you probably would not be out in those kinds of conditions anyway. Be sure to reinstall barrel bolts on the bottom slide to keep it in place during a knockdown. Fair winds, Tom B <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_ source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_ source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:51 PM, John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> wrote: > Hi All, > > Has anyone here used 3/8" starboard for companionway boards? Or worked > with it for anything else? I'm just wondering if it's stiff enough for the > span of those boards. I know 1/2" would be. > Really need to replace my boards this off-season...would like something > totally water/rot/warp proof for the bottom board at least. > > Turns out the west coast transfer warehouse for King Plastics is about 20 > minutes from here, in the north Medford industrial zone. > Ironically they can't actually sell me full sheets, they'd have to refer > me to a distributor - but they do custom cutting for McMasters-Carr and > have a cut-offs ('scrap') pile, cash/check only, that changes week to week. > So it's just a matter of waiting for the right leftovers...black or white > only though, no fancy colors. > > cheers, > John S. > > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 14:33:27 GMT From: "bownez(a)juno.com" <bownez(a)juno.com> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Starboard for companionway boards Message-ID: <20171130.083327.8809.0(a)webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Hello John, I had the lowest dropboard constructed of Starboard for my M23. Rainwater would tend to pool slightly at the base causing delamination of a wood board. The M23 had a 3 piece setup. Worked great, go for it..... Mr. Bones ____________________________________________________________ How To Remove Eye Bags & Lip Lines Fast (Watch) Fit Mom Daily http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5a2016e2ac02d16e21e6fst03vuc ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 07:52:17 -0800 From: Ken W <kww707(a)comcast.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Starboard for companionway boards Message-ID: <A6DBF37C-D568-47D3-A305-D76224FAEF24(a)comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I?ve used it on my M17. It was easy to work with and worked fine. As I recall I had to route the sides a little to clear. I don?t remember on the M17 but on the teak boards on my M15 I installed a 3/4x2? brace board on the inside where the two boards meet. I cut it on a 45 angle so that the boards dropped in nicely and don?t leak. I?m about to replace the 3/8? boards with 1/2? plywood teak. One problem with the starboard is that it is heavy. Ken Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 29, 2017, at 9:06 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Bet they would work fine, John. If you get pooped by a whopper of a > following sea they might give but you probably would not be out in those > kinds of conditions anyway. Be sure to reinstall barrel bolts on the bottom > slide to keep it in place during a knockdown. > Fair winds, > Tom B > > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_ source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_ source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:51 PM, John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> > wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> Has anyone here used 3/8" starboard for companionway boards? Or worked >> with it for anything else? I'm just wondering if it's stiff enough for the >> span of those boards. I know 1/2" would be. >> Really need to replace my boards this off-season...would like something >> totally water/rot/warp proof for the bottom board at least. >> >> Turns out the west coast transfer warehouse for King Plastics is about 20 >> minutes from here, in the north Medford industrial zone. >> Ironically they can't actually sell me full sheets, they'd have to refer >> me to a distributor - but they do custom cutting for McMasters-Carr and >> have a cut-offs ('scrap') pile, cash/check only, that changes week to week. >> So it's just a matter of waiting for the right leftovers...black or white >> only though, no fancy colors. >> >> cheers, >> John S. >> >> >> -- >> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >> -------------------------------------------- >> - Eco-Living - >> Whole Systems Design Services >> People - Place - Learning - Integration >> john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >> http://eco-living.net >> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >> >> ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 09:04:11 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Starboard for companionway boards Message-ID: <CAGjBOA64gKDsPFzbqXX7dYiyu4okmrDKW0ADvsOF0NAM2vMhCQ(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" starboard isn't 'stiff' and, as expected, when it gets warm/hot it gets flexible. the longer the unsupported span the more problems. one thought is to use stiffeners, outside or inside, similar to how this, see picture named 'M17 teak ly with teak stiffeners.jpg' (a new set i've made for an M17 owner). or use marine ply and coat with epoxy and then many coats of varnish (to protect the epoxy from UV). see attached picture named 'M17 meranti ply epoxy and varnish no stiffeners.jpg'. this set is for my M17 #375. this setup will last for years and years. the epoxy & varnish marine ply replaces a older set protected using the same system (and was made using non-marine exterior grade plywood) that lasted 10+ years (even with much neglect). :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - http://www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage 17 #1 - AIR BORN - http://sagemarine.us/sage_17.html :: Sage 15 sloop #001 - ASOLARE - http://sagemarine.us/sage_15.html :: SageCat #000 - SAGECAT - http://sagemarine.us/sagecat.html On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 7:33 AM, bownez(a)juno.com <bownez(a)juno.com> wrote: > Hello John, > > I had the lowest dropboard constructed of Starboard for my M23. Rainwater > would tend to pool slightly at the base causing delamination of a wood > board. > The M23 had a 3 piece setup. > Worked great, go for it..... > > Mr. Bones > ____________________________________________________________ > How To Remove Eye Bags & Lip Lines Fast (Watch) > Fit Mom Daily > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5a2016e2ac02d16e21e6fst03vuc > >

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Re: M_Boats: Starboard for companionway boards
by bownez＠juno.com 30 Nov '17

30 Nov '17

Hello John, I had the lowest dropboard constructed of Starboard for my M23. Rainwater would tend to pool slightly at the base causing delamination of a wood board. The M23 had a 3 piece setup. Worked great, go for it..... Mr. Bones ____________________________________________________________ How To Remove Eye Bags & Lip Lines Fast (Watch) Fit Mom Daily http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5a2016e2ac02d16e21e6fst03vuc

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Color hulls?
by AM Middleriverstudio 26 Nov '17

26 Nov '17

Does anyone know if any M boats were manufactured with colored gel coat? I've seen a green hull, and was curious if that was factory or painted. thx a

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Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 177, Issue 5
by Selannie Tyc 16 Nov '17

16 Nov '17

Michael, I’ll take that jib, it may be better than the one I’ve got. AND, I’m in minneapolis! No shipping. AL Oltman > On Nov 16, 2017, at 1:00 PM, montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com wrote: > > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. FREE M17 jib (bownez(a)juno.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2017 13:58:37 GMT > From: "bownez(a)juno.com" <bownez(a)juno.com> > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: M_Boats: FREE M17 jib > Message-ID: <20171116.075837.13313.0(a)webmail11.vgs.untd.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > Hello fellow listers, > > I have recently acquired a used M17 110 jib from a sailing friend that no longer owns his boat. > It has some holes in it from some gnawing critter, but looks to be repairable. > It has bronze hanks, a few small battons, and the sail bag has the North brand printed on it. > > Free for the asking, for repair or parts, simply pay for shipping to you. > I'm in zip code 55417, Mpls. > > At your service. > > Michael "Bones" Bowden > > M17 #92 > ____________________________________________________________ > I Felt Like A Snake That Had Swallowed A Watermelon > Activated You > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5a0d99ca68ab319ca2613st04vuc > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > ------------------------------ > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 177, Issue 5 > ************************************************

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FREE M17 jib
by bownez＠juno.com 16 Nov '17

16 Nov '17

Hello fellow listers, I have recently acquired a used M17 110 jib from a sailing friend that no longer owns his boat. It has some holes in it from some gnawing critter, but looks to be repairable. It has bronze hanks, a few small battons, and the sail bag has the North brand printed on it. Free for the asking, for repair or parts, simply pay for shipping to you. I'm in zip code 55417, Mpls. At your service. Michael "Bones" Bowden M17 #92 ____________________________________________________________ I Felt Like A Snake That Had Swallowed A Watermelon Activated You http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5a0d99ca68ab319ca2613st04vuc

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Re: M_Boats: Color hulls?
by bownez＠juno.com 08 Nov '17

08 Nov '17

My 1976 hull #92 is light yellow. I have seen a darker yellow (Corndog), blue, red, and white. Mr. Bones ____________________________________________________________ 1 Simple Trick Removes Eye Bags & Lip Lines in Seconds Fit Mom Daily http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5a030b103f113b105443st04vuc

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Re: M_Boats: getting heavier
by thomaspbuzzi 03 Nov '17

03 Nov '17

Steve,Maybe "Weight watchers" for outboards??Tom B. in Rockport, Tx. Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message --------From: Steve Trapp <stevetrapp(a)Q.com> Date: 11/3/17 6:07 PM (GMT-06:00) To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: getting heavier Snow on the ground this A.M. reminded me that winter is coming. Took my outboard motor from my M-15 into a local outboard shop to get it winterized today. The motor is getting heavier, putting on weight. A guy needs to watch those things, they will sneak up on you and get heavier as you get older. Come to think about it, I used to do the winterizing myself, but not anymore. Steve M-15 # 335 South Puget Sound

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Road rash?
by Henry Rodriguez 03 Nov '17

03 Nov '17

Dave Scobie, Just curious: With all of the thousands of miles you drive towing a boat, have you had any problems with stone chips and dings on the boats? Have you done anything to prevent this or has it not been a problem? Henry -- Sent from Gmail Mobile on Windows 10 phone

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Re: M_Boats: Season finale adventures, and "hove to" on main
by Dan Farrell 17 Oct '17

17 Oct '17

Awesome, I know those conditions! Great sailing if you have the right amount of canvas.. Last time I saw 20 some mph gusts on my little late, I had my 150 and a full main flying and the wind picked up. I was a little over canvased, but once the reef was in and the lapper on (I typically sail with a 110 on moderate conditions) the boat was galloping to weather. Always nice to tuck in a reef; it means we have enough wind to have fun :) Ah sailing, I miss it already and the snow isn't even flying. Guess I should pull the boat somewhere and go sailing this weekend. Dan Farrell M17 #301 John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> wrote: >Wish I were better at estimating...or had a wind meter. > > From the windy.com forecast and NOAA forecast extrapolations for that >day, and prior experience with lesser wind on the same lake, and times >out with friends elsewhere who did have wind meters...I would guess the >peak gusts were hitting ~25+, and wind varying between 15-20 in between. >They're the kind of lake gusts where the very first burst might be even >more than the duration of the gust, then it backs off for the duration >of the gust, then back to the "prevailing" wind for a while. > >cheers, >John S. > >On 10/14/2017 04:58 PM, Dan Farrell wrote: >> Any idea what the wind speeds might have been? >> >> Dan Farrell >> M17 #301 >> >> John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> wrote: >> >>> You're welcome...the lake and the County park & marina are a great >>> resource - when there's water enough to fill it, at least (this is the >>> first year it got full in last six years; last year it maxed at 70%, >>> this year we still have about 74%; the shallow end of docks goes aground >>> at about 70%). >>> >>> Speaking of Howard Prairie lake, yesterday was the windiest I've ever >>> sailed there. >>> I headed out with the usual 80% jib and first (relatively small) >>> "flattening" reef in main, 'cause it looked like "the usual" winds. >>> >>> But it was more, especially some of the gusts were more intense, and it >>> picked up a bit even. I ended up putting the next reef in the main - the >>> first "full" reef that really takes a bite out of sail area (I've got >>> three reef points - a relatively small one that someone here said was >>> probably a "flattening" reef, and then two more bigger ones). >>> >>> First time I've done that since I got the boat. Definitely made it more >>> manageable. And surprising how fast she still moved along, with the 80% >>> jib still on. >>> >>> cheers, >>> John S. >>> >>> >>> On 10/08/2017 04:35 AM, Burton Lowry wrote: >>>> Hi John S, >>>> >>>> Your mention of Howard Prarie brings back many memories for me, thank you. >>>> >>>> Back in the mid 60's, we would go fishing there in our wooden drift boat >>>> and often come away with all getting nearly full limits of 10 each. Those, >>>> into the smoker. >>>> >>>> Back then, sailboats were a mystery to me but I got involved with the Sea >>>> Scouts, Ship 3, in Medford and learned to sail. (Graduated from Medford >>>> High '72). Now we live in Maine on the coast and have had a number of >>>> boats--now, for sail just a little Montgomery 12. By the way, with the >>>> wind, tide, and currents here the waves are steep--more like a lake than >>>> the Pacific. >>>> >>>> Thanks for the reminder of those days. >>>> >>>> Blessings, >>>> >>>> Burt L. >>>> >>>> On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 1:09 AM, John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> Just to report that I put Pajarita back in the water at Howard Prairie >>>>> lake up in the hills Thursday for a brief while...we're having a last blast >>>>> of mild early fall weather. >>>>> >>>>> First couple days, there were very light winds early afternoon and I >>>>> actually got to use the 150 (Genoa) first time in quite a while. >>>>> >>>>> Yesterday I started with that and then after ghosting for maybe 20 >>>>> minutes, in 15 minutes as lake winds do around here, it reversed and kicked >>>>> up to overpowered... >>>>> So I "hove to" on main, and did a headsail change mid-lake. >>>>> >>>>> I have experimented before with some ideas I've read about how to sort of >>>>> "heave to" on main - it's not like the classic with the backwinded jib. >>>>> It's more of a slightly luffing windward experience. >>>>> Basically, somewhere above beam reach, and, not super close to the wind. >>>>> Rudder set to turn very slightly to windward, and mainsheet a bit soft. >>>>> >>>>> My M17 at least does this quite well, sort of "scalloping" gently to >>>>> windward (with extra sideways drift of course). She loses way as the slight >>>>> rudder turns her to windward, but there's not enough speed or rudder to >>>>> anywhere near come through the wind, so the bow blows off the wind again >>>>> and luffing reduces and she gains just enough way for the rudder to swing >>>>> her gently back to slightly luffing...and so on. >>>>> >>>>> This was gusty conditions, without any complications. I have a bungee & >>>>> jam cleat "tiller holder" and I suspect the flex in the system helps make >>>>> it smoother - the tiller will give some, but then spring back to its >>>>> setting, if a gust suddenly blows the bow off faster or scoots her forward >>>>> faster. >>>>> >>>>> I also wanted to get her out to test having moved the jib sheet cam cleats >>>>> to a better position than where they were when I got her. >>>>> I will post some pix separately to show the modification. >>>>> Suffice to say for now it is WAY better, whether single-handing or with >>>>> passengers, and I still have no idea why some previous owner put those cam >>>>> cleats where they did...! >>>>> >>>>> cheers, >>>>> John S. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >>>>> -------------------------------------------- >>>>> - Eco-Living - >>>>> Whole Systems Design Services >>>>> People - Place - Learning - Integration >>>>> john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >>>>> http://eco-living.net >>>>> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> -- >>> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >>> -------------------------------------------- >>> - Eco-Living - >>> Whole Systems Design Services >>> People - Place - Learning - Integration >>> john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >>> http://eco-living.net >>> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >>> > >-- >John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >-------------------------------------------- >- Eco-Living - >Whole Systems Design Services >People - Place - Learning - Integration >john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >http://eco-living.net >http://sociocracyconsulting.com >

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5 day Monty 15 cruise Choptank
by sheppardtb＠yahoo.com 16 Oct '17

16 Oct '17

Thanks for sharing your sail trip. I was hoping to sail there this fall but couldn't. Maybe next year . Tom. Sent from my iPad

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