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Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 179, Issue 6
by Jon Barber 17 Jan '18

17 Jan '18

Re: Crew position I am arriving without crew. Would be glad to make a berth on my Monty 17 "Ol'44 available. Let it be known my boat is a work in progress and is not what I would consider to be " Highly tuned". Sails are new and if all goes well I will be hanging a new to me Rudder Craft kick up rudder on the transom. I offer a welcome aboard attitude. Let's go sailing! Jon Barber Modesto, CA Ol'44 Monty 17 209 604 6132 On Jan 16, 2018 11:01 AM, <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ > montgomery_boats > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. 2018 WICR "15 Fleet" or '<17 Fleet' scoring (Gary Oberbeck) > 2. Does anyone need crew for WICR? (Gary Oberbeck) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 12:45:47 -0500 > From: Gary Oberbeck <gilasailr(a)aol.com> > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: M_Boats: 2018 WICR "15 Fleet" or '<17 Fleet' scoring > Message-ID: <160f0a0a10d-1d3e-49f90(a)webjas-vac099.srv.aolmail.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > M-15 and S-15 and P-14/15 sailors 2018 WICR > > > > > If we have 5 boats in the above noted fleet they will qualifiy for their > own scoring/fleet and will not be TLE'd*. > > Scoring for the Overall WICR trophy will still be 'low score' for the > event - both fleets combined and scored as one. > > ALL WrinkleBoats ! (but technically as two fleets) that would be merged > for WICR. We would ask for same start time so you are still racing against > everyone in the '<17' and '>17' fleets. > > > > > *JerryM had an idea ? and since he has so few of those nowadays - I think > we ought to use this one! ;>) > > > > > Jerry pointed out the 'Time Limit Expired' was an issue for the shorter > boats in light air (he really is so thoughtful of you guys!) hence, we will > try this - we need 5 or more boats in order to score the 15's as a separate > fleet. That will all but eliminate the TLE's for the 15 fleet! > > > > > * TLE - Time Limit Expired - Method of keeping the racing start sequence > running in a timely manner - It consists of an arbitrary time limit set by > the Race Committee (R/C) that cuts off finish time for an individual fleet > based on the finish time of the first boat (typically). That first boats > finish time starts a clock- added to the finish time is a specified time > limit -(usually 20 minutes here in the past) ONLY boats that finish within > the TL are scored on' time' (handicap) all others finishing after the TL > are assigned a "TLE" score - SOOO if one were to finish 24 minutes after > the first place boat you would be scored as a 'TLE' - I believe the same > numeric score for all boats finishing after the time expired limit is given > as the 'TLE' boats score (I will check - I am not a scoring guru and have > been surprised by many a 'tie-breaking decision'!). THIS IS WHY we want to > prevent this - it is confusing and not motivating or FUN for the sailors. > > > > > 5 or more 15's and we have 'heads-up' racing and scoring applied to WICR ! > EASY > > > Don't worry - I have made it sound more confusing (I'm not a great > communicator fo' shure!) we will have it all worked out so it is completely > transparent and fact checked!! > > > > > Have Fun - Go Sailing! > > Thank You > > GO > > > Gary Oberbeck > gilasailr(a)aol.com > >

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Does anyone need crew for WICR?
by Gary Oberbeck 13 Jan '18

13 Jan '18

Please contact me if you need crew for Saturday & Sunday. We have a sailor (and M-17 owner) looking for a crew position. Thank You, GO

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2018 WICR "15 Fleet" or '<17 Fleet' scoring
by Gary Oberbeck 13 Jan '18

13 Jan '18

M-15 and S-15 and P-14/15 sailors 2018 WICR If we have 5 boats in the above noted fleet they will qualifiy for their own scoring/fleet and will not be TLE'd*. Scoring for the Overall WICR trophy will still be 'low score' for the event - both fleets combined and scored as one. ALL WrinkleBoats ! (but technically as two fleets) that would be merged for WICR. We would ask for same start time so you are still racing against everyone in the '<17' and '>17' fleets. *JerryM had an idea 🤔 and since he has so few of those nowadays - I think we ought to use this one! ;>) Jerry pointed out the 'Time Limit Expired' was an issue for the shorter boats in light air (he really is so thoughtful of you guys!) hence, we will try this - we need 5 or more boats in order to score the 15's as a separate fleet. That will all but eliminate the TLE's for the 15 fleet! * TLE - Time Limit Expired - Method of keeping the racing start sequence running in a timely manner - It consists of an arbitrary time limit set by the Race Committee (R/C) that cuts off finish time for an individual fleet based on the finish time of the first boat (typically). That first boats finish time starts a clock- added to the finish time is a specified time limit -(usually 20 minutes here in the past) ONLY boats that finish within the TL are scored on' time' (handicap) all others finishing after the TL are assigned a "TLE" score - SOOO if one were to finish 24 minutes after the first place boat you would be scored as a 'TLE' - I believe the same numeric score for all boats finishing after the time expired limit is given as the 'TLE' boats score (I will check - I am not a scoring guru and have been surprised by many a 'tie-breaking decision'!). THIS IS WHY we want to prevent this - it is confusing and not motivating or FUN for the sailors. 5 or more 15's and we have 'heads-up' racing and scoring applied to WICR ! EASY Don't worry - I have made it sound more confusing (I'm not a great communicator fo' shure!) we will have it all worked out so it is completely transparent and fact checked!! Have Fun - Go Sailing! Thank You GO Gary Oberbeck gilasailr(a)aol.com

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2018 WICR and WrinkleBoat Ran-Tan
by Gary Oberbeck 12 Jan '18

12 Jan '18

2018 WrinkleBoat Ran-Tan & WICR gilasailr 9 Jan 2018, 1:45 PM | Views: 0 Fellow Sailors, Please find link to the above noted regatta at Lake Pleasant Arizona. http://www.arizonayachtclub.org/racing Go to the section marked 'Birthday Regatta/Leukemia Cup' for Notice of Race, Sailing Instructions and Course Maps. This is the event that spawned the WICR - named by a past competitor and winning solo skipper, for the "WrinkleBoat Intergalactic Championship Regatta" (we could not use the name Nat'l/World/ or U.S. championships due to conflict with USSailing and ISAF) We sail 3 +/- course races on Saturday, a 'round the islands' race on Sunday and have dinners and general Ran-Tan activities Frida/Sat/Sunday evenings. If anyone is interested in Cruising at the Lake - I will be happy to show you around on either Friday or Monday - there are some nice and interesting locations - Very little traffic at the Lake in February - some beautiful scenery and wildlife is out and about. Info has been a bit slow in coming around but the AzYC is working hard to get the news out for this event. Those of you that have been to the WICR are invited again as are ALL WrinkleBoat sailors! 2+ days of sail racing and or cruising with like minded sailors and a broad spectrum of boats. Sages, Montgomerys and this year a 'somewhat' modified P-14 of fame, notoriety and great interest, & 'PaintBoy' the wonder 17, are slated to sail! I know this is short notice but - if the snow and cold have got you jonesing for some sailing - check it out. Our Fearless Leader, the multi-talented designer/builder/sailor - Mr. Jerry Montgomery will be our Guest of Honor along with personalities of 'different' skills - maybe a sailmaker or two, a 'painter' and an aerodynamicist have expressed intentions of sailing this weekend. (we could use a Doctor for sure!) Arizona in the winter is a very special place - high and low elevations are in their prime at this time of the year - make a trip of it! Great boats - Better people! We can't gaurantee the weather but - no snow or other natural disasters are likely to interfere with the Ran-Tan in this part of the country! If you have any questions email me at gilasailr at aol.com or call 602 703-SAIL Thanks for your time - Hope to see many new sailors and ALL the 'Old' ones there! GO M-17T 'Tiny Purple Fishes' PS - I'll be crewing this year and some 'out-of-towners' will be sailing sail #354. a couple years ago in light air...sometimes it's breezy .....sometimes its lazy.

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Re: M_Boats: WIRC
by Jon Barber 11 Jan '18

11 Jan '18

WIRC I hope there will be enough wind to make sailing interesting and counter the usual amount of "hot air". But seriously, I am looking forward to meeting all the other pseudo lap strake boat sailors and learning more about my boat, rig tuning and racing (at which I am a novice). Special thanks to those who offered to help retrieve a new rudder for my boat in So cal. As my lovely wife pointed out, if I modify my route and go thru LA, I could pick it up myself. The seller also has a new 100% headsail for a P19 or Sanibel17 available for $375 obo. Sail is posted on Craigslist la . If I knew how I would include a link to that Craigslist page. See you in AZ, Jon Barber Ol'44 Montgomery17 Modesto, CA On Jan 11, 2018 11:01 AM, <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. 2018 WICR and WrinkleBoat Ran-Tan (David Grah) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 19:26:53 +0000 (UTC) From: David Grah <d_b_grah(a)yahoo.com> To: For and About Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: 2018 WICR and WrinkleBoat Ran-Tan Message-ID: <199436691.586103.1515612413447(a)mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 This event is a great time! We hope to be able to attend this year. David GrahBishop CaliforniaMontgomery 15 Message: 1 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2018 16:51:52 -0500 From: Gary Oberbeck <gilasailr(a)aol.com> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: 2018 WICR and WrinkleBoat Ran-Tan Message-ID: <160dce87c9d-171d-b477(a)webjas-vab161.srv.aolmail.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 2018 WrinkleBoat Ran-Tan & WICR gilasailr 9 Jan 2018, 1:45 PM | Views: 0 Fellow Sailors, Please find link to the above noted regatta at Lake Pleasant Arizona. http://www.arizonayachtclub.org/racing Go to the section marked 'Birthday Regatta/Leukemia Cup' for Notice of Race, Sailing Instructions and Course Maps. This is the event that spawned the WICR - named by a past competitor and winning solo skipper, for the "WrinkleBoat Intergalactic Championship Regatta" (we could not use the name Nat'l/World/ or U.S. championships due to conflict with USSailing and ISAF) We sail 3 +/- course races on Saturday, a 'round the islands' race on Sunday and have dinners and general Ran-Tan activities Frida/Sat/Sunday evenings. If anyone is interested in Cruising at the Lake - I will be happy to show you around on either Friday or Monday - there are some nice and interesting locations - Very little traffic at the Lake in February - some beautiful scenery and wildlife is out and about. Info has been a bit slow in coming around but the AzYC is working hard to get the news out for this event. Those of you that have been to the WICR are invited again as are ALL WrinkleBoat sailors! 2+ days of sail racing and or cruising with like minded sailors and a broad spectrum of boats. Sages, Montgomerys and this year a 'somewhat' modified P-14 of fame, notoriety and great interest, & 'PaintBoy' the wonder 17, are slated to sail! I know this is short notice but - if the snow and cold have got you jonesing for some sailing - check it out. Our Fearless Leader, the multi-talented designer/builder/sailor - Mr. Jerry Montgomery will be our Guest of Honor along with personalities of 'different' skills - maybe a sailmaker or two, a 'painter' and an aerodynamicist have expressed intentions of sailing this weekend. (we could use a Doctor for sure!) Arizona in the winter is a very special place - high and low elevations are in their prime at this time of the year - make a trip of it! Great boats - Better people! We can't gaurantee the weather but - no snow or other natural disasters are likely to interfere with the Ran-Tan in this part of the country! If you have any questions email me at gilasailr at aol.com or call 602 703-SAIL Thanks for your time - Hope to see many new sailors and ALL the 'Old' ones there! GO M-17T 'Tiny Purple Fishes' PS - I'll be crewing this year and some 'out-of-towners' will be sailing sail #354. a couple years ago in light air...sometimes it's breezy .....sometimes its lazy. ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! ------------------------------ End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 179, Issue 3 ************************************************

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2018 WICR and WrinkleBoat Ran-Tan
by David Grah 10 Jan '18

10 Jan '18

This event is a great time! We hope to be able to attend this year. David GrahBishop CaliforniaMontgomery 15 Message: 1 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2018 16:51:52 -0500 From: Gary Oberbeck <gilasailr(a)aol.com> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: 2018 WICR and WrinkleBoat Ran-Tan Message-ID: <160dce87c9d-171d-b477(a)webjas-vab161.srv.aolmail.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 2018 WrinkleBoat Ran-Tan & WICR gilasailr 9 Jan 2018, 1:45 PM | Views: 0 Fellow Sailors, Please find link to the above noted regatta at Lake Pleasant Arizona. http://www.arizonayachtclub.org/racing Go to the section marked 'Birthday Regatta/Leukemia Cup' for Notice of Race, Sailing Instructions and Course Maps. This is the event that spawned the WICR - named by a past competitor and winning solo skipper, for the "WrinkleBoat Intergalactic Championship Regatta" (we could not use the name Nat'l/World/ or U.S. championships due to conflict with USSailing and ISAF) We sail 3 +/- course races on Saturday, a 'round the islands' race on Sunday and have dinners and general Ran-Tan activities Frida/Sat/Sunday evenings. If anyone is interested in Cruising at the Lake - I will be happy to show you around on either Friday or Monday - there are some nice and interesting locations - Very little traffic at the Lake in February - some beautiful scenery and wildlife is out and about. Info has been a bit slow in coming around but the AzYC is working hard to get the news out for this event. Those of you that have been to the WICR are invited again as are ALL WrinkleBoat sailors! 2+ days of sail racing and or cruising with like minded sailors and a broad spectrum of boats. Sages, Montgomerys and this year a 'somewhat' modified P-14 of fame, notoriety and great interest, & 'PaintBoy' the wonder 17, are slated to sail! I know this is short notice but - if the snow and cold have got you jonesing for some sailing - check it out. Our Fearless Leader, the multi-talented designer/builder/sailor - Mr. Jerry Montgomery will be our Guest of Honor along with personalities of 'different' skills - maybe a sailmaker or two, a 'painter' and an aerodynamicist have expressed intentions of sailing this weekend. (we could use a Doctor for sure!) Arizona in the winter is a very special place - high and low elevations are in their prime at this time of the year - make a trip of it! Great boats - Better people! We can't gaurantee the weather but - no snow or other natural disasters are likely to interfere with the Ran-Tan in this part of the country! If you have any questions email me at gilasailr at aol.com or call 602 703-SAIL Thanks for your time - Hope to see many new sailors and ALL the 'Old' ones there! GO M-17T 'Tiny Purple Fishes' PS - I'll be crewing this year and some 'out-of-towners' will be sailing sail #354. a couple years ago in light air...sometimes it's breezy .....sometimes its lazy.

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New Montgomery 15 Video
by David Grah 01 Jan '18

01 Jan '18

Well, that's embarrassing. I know very well the lake's name is Jackson, but somehow blocked that out working on the video! I'll fix it soon. Thanks, John. Message: 1Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2017 14:47:42 -0800 From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: New Montgomery 15 Video Message-ID: <4ecc60f7-4c36-9810-edd4-691359cb8158(a)eco-living.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Very nice! Will have to get my M17 up there some day. Want to get to Flathead lake which is (relatively speaking) in the vicinity. I think you mean Jackson lake, which is the big lake there at the Tetons, it's not actually called Teton lake...unless the name got changed recently? cheers, John S.

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Re: M_Boats: Battery weight (was: Skookum Wood Interior)
by bownez＠juno.com 31 Dec '17

31 Dec '17

Randy and All, Coming from years of field service in the UPS power supply business, I can attest to the performance and longevity of AGM batteries. They will easily last 5 years IF floated correctly (charged at no more than a tenth of it's amp-hour rating and a cut-off voltage of 14.1 VDC) and assuming the battery from a quality manufacturer was purchased. The brands I used and recommended are: C + D Dynasty (Johnson Control) Yuasa-Enersys Panasonic GNB Never buy cheap batteries, or ones with old date codes. As the Brits say, it's false economy. I use a 31ah AGM in my M17, I used a group 24 in my M23. I have a 30 watt solar panel and regulator. I'm following the Lithium discussion as well, the jury is still out. They need to prove themselves in the field, where reputations are years in the making. Happy New Year, it's a chilly one here in Mn. Mr. Bones ____________________________________________________________ The Unusual Link Between Alzheimer's and Coconut Oil (Watch) Memory Repair Protocol http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5a47a743ec12427430755st02vuc

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New Montgomery 15 Video
by David Grah 30 Dec '17

30 Dec '17

Here is a video from a sailing trip a few years ago. Happy holidays Montgomery sailors! David Grah https://youtu.be/-cVrCPoYdFM

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Skookum Wood Interior
by brad kurlancheek 29 Dec '17

29 Dec '17

Wow - that is just an incredible job you did on the cabin. Inspiring! Re: http://msogphotosite.com/Scripts/StoryTechnical/storytechnicaldetail.php?id… Here fwiw is my little effort at it, for installing wood panels onto the cabin sides - M15, on page 8. http://nockamixonsailclub.org/sites/default/files/TheCompassDecember2017.pdf

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