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Registration fees
by Lawrence Winiarski 21 Apr '21

21 Apr '21

So the stupid Oregon registration fee is $100. I'm tired of paying it along with all the other fees (launch fee, park fee, county fee fee, forest pass fee, invasive species fee, snowpark fee) Can I just register my boat in Panama or Liberia like the big ships? They go up the Columbia all the time......

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Fees
by Jon Barber 20 Apr '21

20 Apr '21

To play, you gotta pay. Can we please keep politics out of this forum? Thank you, Jon Barber Monty17 Ol'44

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Re: M17 on Craigslist
by bownez＠juno.com 09 Apr '21

09 Apr '21

Hi Larry, I'd say $10K is a very fair price for a beautifully maintained M17 with new sails and a small Honda..... Someone is going to get a fine boat....Life is short...go sailing and fulfil your dreams... Mr. Bones ____________________________________________________________ Choose to be safer online. Opt-in to Cyber Safety with NortonLifeLock. Plans starting as low as $6.95 per month.* https://store.netzero.net/account/showService.do?serviceId=nz-nLifeLock&utm…

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M17 on Craigslist
by Larry Yake 08 Apr '21

08 Apr '21

https://spokane.craigslist.org/boa/d/fairfield-montgomery-17-sailboat/73033… Just spotted this on the Spokane Craigslist. Not my ad, but I know the boat. This was Tom Smith's boat, whom those of you who are long timers on this list may remember. He passed away about a year and a half ago. His wife is selling the boat. This is a very clean well maintained boat. One of the last, if not the very last boat made by Jerry. She's not selling it cheap, but this boat is in excellent condition. A rare chance to get a like new M17.

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Re: M17 motor selection
by bownez＠juno.com 06 Apr '21

06 Apr '21

Hi Listers, Keep in mind too that an outboard with an alternator/charging coil that the current output in dependent on engine RPM. If you are simply idling along, you are not putting much current back into your house battery. FYI Mr. Bones Ex M-boater ____________________________________________________________ Choose to be safer online. Opt-in to Cyber Safety with NortonLifeLock. Plans starting as low as $6.95 per month.* https://store.netzero.net/account/showService.do?serviceId=nz-nLifeLock&utm…

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Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 218, Issue 6
by Jon Barber 06 Apr '21

06 Apr '21

Each place has call for different needs. I sail frequently on SF Bay and I time my departures with the tides. Swimming upstream is never recommended. I sometimes stow my 27# motor under the cockpit sole to lower the center of gravity. The small motor is easily stowed while under way. When moored it is put away, out of sight, out of mind. I appreciate the lively conversation on all topics here. I think this thread began with the strength of the M17 transom to withstand loads imparted by motor mounts and ladders. Does a cantilever effect caused by a motor offset 1ft aft add extra leverage to this equation? I know every M boat does not have a notch so moot point in many instances. The 2hp swivels 360 and gives full power in reverse. I can "park" my boat with great confidence and not worry about shift linkage. Air cooled means no impeller service or sucking crud into the "cooling system". I fire it up in the garage before each trailered outing so I am reasonably sure it will work when I get to the ramp. The whole covid sailing season saw me launch 9 times; each time I refined my launch procedure and refined my gear/supply list. On my first outing this year I felt for the first time that I had nearly everything in its place, and left most of the things I did not need at home. Your boat has to work for you! Thanks again for the lively conversation! Jon Barber Monty17 Ol'44 On Mon, Apr 5, 2021, 12:20 PM <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or > body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Keep it simple (Peter Zimowsky) > 2. Motors and currents (Mark Dvorscak) > 3. Re: M17 motor selection (Dave Scobie) > 4. Re: Motors and currents (Sam) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 12:35:02 -0600 > From: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz(a)mac.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: Keep it simple > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <E812802F-F960-4B16-950A-015526FDF0BA(a)mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hi all: > I worry about the currents in the San Juan’s and the need for the 4 horse. > But I will investigate getting smaller motor > Pete > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 5, 2021, at 08:18, Jon Barber <brbrbarber(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Why do you have a 75# outboard on a Monty 17? My 2 hp pushes my boat > easily > > at 4kts, 1/2 throttle. Its plenty of motor. It weighs 27# and keeps the > aft > > of the boat light and out or the water. The motor stays in the garage > till > > I leave on a trip. When leaving I clamp it to the transom where it stays > > for the duration. To tow, I rotate the motor to the"reverse" position so > > it can't move up. > > > > I launch many times in a season and not having to deal with the motor > each > > time saves me a lot of trouble. I also changed to the Rudder Craft rudder > > with the extendable Mast support for the same reason. When I arrive at > the > > marina the rudder is in place and I am also ready to raise my mast. > Lately > > I have been rigging and unrigging after I launch. I find it safer to do > so > > when the deck is not so high from the parking lot. > > > > I also like no fuel tank in the cockpit. Nothing underfoot. > > > > On a sail in the delta there was much water hyacinth tangling up on > motors. > > Because my motor is mounted directly to to transom, the prop is closer > and > > within reach to clear of obstructions. > > > > Keep it simple! > > > > Jon Barber > > Monty 17 > > Ol'44 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 12:06:49 -0700 > From: Mark Dvorscak <mdvorscak56(a)gmail.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Motors and currents > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: > <CAA3iV0J1hN09eUXhnvSw1opopS+n6F5gPuDQc= > Wc36SjdDM1ug(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > On my M23 there are definitely places in the San Juan Islands where I can > barely make 0.2 kts head way against the current with a Honda 9.9 at full > throttle (and other places where I would never even attempt to go against > the current). Obviously there is a large difference between boats here, but > a 2 hp motor on an M17 or even an M15 would probably have a similarly > difficult time. Usually one can plan a course to coincide with the currents > but occasionally you have the dilemma of choosing which location you will > have to buck the current (or choose an alternate destination). > > My 2¢ only. Others with M17 or M15 experience in the Islands may have > better information. > > Mark Dvorscak > M23 > M15 > Former M17 > > On Mon, Apr 5, 2021, 11:35 Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > > Hi all: > > I worry about the currents in the San Juan’s and the need for the 4 > horse. > > But I will investigate getting smaller motor > > Pete > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Apr 5, 2021, at 08:18, Jon Barber <brbrbarber(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Why do you have a 75# outboard on a Monty 17? My 2 hp pushes my boat > > easily > > > at 4kts, 1/2 throttle. Its plenty of motor. It weighs 27# and keeps the > > aft > > > of the boat light and out or the water. The motor stays in the garage > > till > > > I leave on a trip. When leaving I clamp it to the transom where it > stays > > > for the duration. To tow, I rotate the motor to the"reverse" position > so > > > it can't move up. > > > > > > I launch many times in a season and not having to deal with the motor > > each > > > time saves me a lot of trouble. I also changed to the Rudder Craft > rudder > > > with the extendable Mast support for the same reason. When I arrive at > > the > > > marina the rudder is in place and I am also ready to raise my mast. > > Lately > > > I have been rigging and unrigging after I launch. I find it safer to do > > so > > > when the deck is not so high from the parking lot. > > > > > > I also like no fuel tank in the cockpit. Nothing underfoot. > > > > > > On a sail in the delta there was much water hyacinth tangling up on > > motors. > > > Because my motor is mounted directly to to transom, the prop is closer > > and > > > within reach to clear of obstructions. > > > > > > Keep it simple! > > > > > > Jon Barber > > > Monty 17 > > > Ol'44 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 12:15:52 -0700 > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: M17 motor selection > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: > < > CAGjBOA5raq86sZgAzVv0MHnaMHKRkMsy2N6FGQ75mjGoRmEnrg(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > IMO 4HP motor is a great size for a cruising M17s. A 3.5-HP will work just > as well. > > A 2/2.3/2.5 is fine for 70% of what one will experience. > > Anything bigger than 4HP is just more that doesn't help ... especially with > current. The displacement hull design means you hit max speed and then > done. More horses doesn't help. > > HP can assist in wind and to a less extent waves. > > The problem now is there are no new build true 4HP motors. All are > repowered 6HP blocks - so heavy! The old Yamaha 4HP was a true 4HP block. > It has been discontinued for years. > > A long, 20", shaft motor is needed on all Jerry's 15 & 17 designs, the 15" > standard shaft motors will cavitate easily in a slight chop. > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M6'8" #650 > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new > site! > > > On Mon, Apr 5, 2021, 11:35 AM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > > Hi all: > > I worry about the currents in the San Juan’s and the need for the 4 > horse. > > But I will investigate getting smaller motor > > Pete > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Apr 5, 2021, at 08:18, Jon Barber <brbrbarber(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Why do you have a 75# outboard on a Monty 17? My 2 hp pushes my boat > > easily > > > at 4kts, 1/2 throttle. Its plenty of motor. It weighs 27# and keeps the > > aft > > > of the boat light and out or the water. The motor stays in the garage > > till > > > I leave on a trip. When leaving I clamp it to the transom where it > stays > > > for the duration. To tow, I rotate the motor to the"reverse" position > so > > > it can't move up. > > > > > > I launch many times in a season and not having to deal with the motor > > each > > > time saves me a lot of trouble. I also changed to the Rudder Craft > rudder > > > with the extendable Mast support for the same reason. When I arrive at > > the > > > marina the rudder is in place and I am also ready to raise my mast. > > Lately > > > I have been rigging and unrigging after I launch. I find it safer to do > > so > > > when the deck is not so high from the parking lot. > > > > > > I also like no fuel tank in the cockpit. Nothing underfoot. > > > > > > On a sail in the delta there was much water hyacinth tangling up on > > motors. > > > Because my motor is mounted directly to to transom, the prop is closer > > and > > > within reach to clear of obstructions. > > > > > > Keep it simple! > > > > > > Jon Barber > > > Monty 17 > > > Ol'44 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 12:19:08 -0700 > From: Sam <shunter(a)gmail.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: Motors and currents > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: > < > CAFU+JX8RURrF1S4GiUOVD-_LDLUrn75C8uAv4NJp2xPQYRCCpg(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > My understanding is that Hull Speed dictates maximum speed with respect to > water, no matter engine size on a displacement hull (but if anyone gets an > M boat up on a plane please post a video on YouTube, I want to see that!). > > It doesn't matter how big a motor you have on the back of your Montgomery, > it isn't going to go faster (with respect to ground) than hull speed > against a current. For the M15 that is about 4.87 knots ( > http://www.msog.org/specs/race_ratings.cfm) if the current is 4.8 knots > or > better you aren't going that direction! > > Now, if the wind is blowing against you, that's a whole different question, > but with any luck, the sails will be able to help :) > > > Sam > > > On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 12:07 PM Mark Dvorscak <mdvorscak56(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > On my M23 there are definitely places in the San Juan Islands where I can > > barely make 0.2 kts head way against the current with a Honda 9.9 at full > > throttle (and other places where I would never even attempt to go against > > the current). Obviously there is a large difference between boats here, > but > > a 2 hp motor on an M17 or even an M15 would probably have a similarly > > difficult time. Usually one can plan a course to coincide with the > currents > > but occasionally you have the dilemma of choosing which location you will > > have to buck the current (or choose an alternate destination). > > > > My 2¢ only. Others with M17 or M15 experience in the Islands may have > > better information. > > > > Mark Dvorscak > > M23 > > M15 > > Former M17 > > > > On Mon, Apr 5, 2021, 11:35 Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats < > > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > > > > Hi all: > > > I worry about the currents in the San Juan’s and the need for the 4 > > horse. > > > But I will investigate getting smaller motor > > > Pete > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > On Apr 5, 2021, at 08:18, Jon Barber <brbrbarber(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Why do you have a 75# outboard on a Monty 17? My 2 hp pushes my boat > > > easily > > > > at 4kts, 1/2 throttle. Its plenty of motor. It weighs 27# and keeps > the > > > aft > > > > of the boat light and out or the water. The motor stays in the garage > > > till > > > > I leave on a trip. When leaving I clamp it to the transom where it > > stays > > > > for the duration. To tow, I rotate the motor to the"reverse" > position > > so > > > > it can't move up. > > > > > > > > I launch many times in a season and not having to deal with the motor > > > each > > > > time saves me a lot of trouble. I also changed to the Rudder Craft > > rudder > > > > with the extendable Mast support for the same reason. When I arrive > at > > > the > > > > marina the rudder is in place and I am also ready to raise my mast. > > > Lately > > > > I have been rigging and unrigging after I launch. I find it safer to > do > > > so > > > > when the deck is not so high from the parking lot. > > > > > > > > I also like no fuel tank in the cockpit. Nothing underfoot. > > > > > > > > On a sail in the delta there was much water hyacinth tangling up on > > > motors. > > > > Because my motor is mounted directly to to transom, the prop is > closer > > > and > > > > within reach to clear of obstructions. > > > > > > > > Keep it simple! > > > > > > > > Jon Barber > > > > Monty 17 > > > > Ol'44 > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list -- montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > To unsubscribe send an email to > montgomery_boats-leave(a)mailman.xmission.com > %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > ------------------------------ > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 218, Issue 6 > ************************************************ >

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Keep it simple
by Jon Barber 05 Apr '21

05 Apr '21

Why do you have a 75# outboard on a Monty 17? My 2 hp pushes my boat easily at 4kts, 1/2 throttle. Its plenty of motor. It weighs 27# and keeps the aft of the boat light and out or the water. The motor stays in the garage till I leave on a trip. When leaving I clamp it to the transom where it stays for the duration. To tow, I rotate the motor to the"reverse" position so it can't move up. I launch many times in a season and not having to deal with the motor each time saves me a lot of trouble. I also changed to the Rudder Craft rudder with the extendable Mast support for the same reason. When I arrive at the marina the rudder is in place and I am also ready to raise my mast. Lately I have been rigging and unrigging after I launch. I find it safer to do so when the deck is not so high from the parking lot. I also like no fuel tank in the cockpit. Nothing underfoot. On a sail in the delta there was much water hyacinth tangling up on motors. Because my motor is mounted directly to to transom, the prop is closer and within reach to clear of obstructions. Keep it simple! Jon Barber Monty 17 Ol'44

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Window Glazing Material
by Rob Bultman 05 Apr '21

05 Apr '21

Hello Folks, I have a leaky port window on my 1977 M17. These windows have the two-part aluminum frame with the exterior frame holding the "glass" and an inner frame which screws into the exterior frame from the inside, holding the window in place. I managed to get the window out of the hull and the "glass" out of the frame. The window glazing that holds the glass to the frame is very brittle and in one location completely gone. The exterior frame that holds the glass has a single cut in the frame that allowed the window to be removed with a little force applied to open frame. I'm looking for a replacement for the window glazing. Is there a recommended source for this? Would something like this work? https://www.amazon.com/Gray-Glazing-Vinyl-Glass-Thickness/dp/B00O8ZUM6K?th=1 I also saw this kit from Catalina. https://www.catalinadirect.com/shop-by-boat/catalina-25/hatches-ports/gaske… If the glazing is not a watertight seal and some sealant is still required, I don't know how I could seal it without making a huge mess, given that the window frame is a single piece with the one slit. At this point I'd like to retain the original aluminum frames and window, but I'm open to suggestions. I've seen the replacement project on Audasea on the photo site. I saw another (non-M boat) where spacers were used to push the window away from the outer edge and butyl caulk used as glazing and sealant in the space created by the spaces. (I think the spacers were temporary.) Thanks in advance for responses. Regards, Rob M17 FIN

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Honda 2hp
by Jon Barber 03 Apr '21

03 Apr '21

Why do you have a 75# outboard on a Monty 17? My 2 hp pushes my boat easily at 4kts, 1/2 throttle. Its plenty of motor. It weighs 27# and keeps the aft of the boat light and out or the water. The motor stays in the garage till I leave on a trip. When leaving I clamp it to the transom where it stays for the duration. To tow, I rotate the motor to the"reverse" position so it can't move up. I launch many times in a season and not having to deal with the motor each time saves me a lot of trouble. I also changed to the Rudder Craft rudder with the extendable Mast support for the same reason. When I arrive at the marina the rudder is in place and I am also ready to raise my mast. Lately I have been rigging and unrigging after I launch. I find it safer to do so when the deck is not so high from the parking lot. I also like no fuel tank in the cockpit. Nothing underfoot. On a sail in the delta there was much water hyacinth tangling up on motors. Because my motor is mounted directly to to transom, the prop is closer and within reach to clear of obstructions. Keep it simple! Jon Barber Monty 17 Ol'44

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outboard motor on transom
by Peter Zimowsky 03 Apr '21

03 Apr '21

HI: I probably put this under the wrong subject line. Anyway, Normally I leave my 75-pound 4-stroke, 4-horse outboard on the transom all the time for the short trips to the lake (14 miles round trip; once a week). However, when I do my cruises in the San Juans, it’s 600 miles over the Blues and Cascades. I have been leaving the motor on the transom. Is that unwise? The motor is too heavy for me to put it on the motor rack on my boat trailer and keep taking it on and off. Any ideas? I’m I damaging the outboard motor rack on the transom. It seems to be tight; no damage after 5 years of this practice. I’m thinking of tradings the Merc in for a lighter motor. Pete WinterSky (Zimowsky) San Juan Islander lost inland - an old salty stuck in the sagebrush outdoors writer and photographer Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pzimowsky <https://www.facebook.com/pzimowsky> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"

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