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December 2020
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Good morning fellow sailors,
Here is an excellent idea that will make a wonderful Christmas present
for yourself or any sailor firends
Happy holidays,
Connie
-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Clever
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2020 11:21:47 +0100
From: benneck(a)gmx.de
To: 'Conbert Benneck' <chbenneck(a)gmail.com>
Dad,
This is one of those „Why didn’t I think of that” devices:
https://newatlas.com/marine/seearch-wearable-inflatable-open-water-rescue/?…
<https://newatlas.com/marine/seearch-wearable-inflatable-open-water-rescue/?…>
Gerhard
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Stern mounted boarding ladders are considered a very poor choice by open water sailors. Grabbing on to the stern of a boat moving through the water after a capsize is going to pivot the boat downwind, likely filling the sail and making the boat take off, furthering the difficulty of re-boarding, or making it impossible. For those considering re-entry options after a capsize or unintended going overboard, Howard Rice and John Welsford have devised an ingenious system for SCAMP using straps for re-entry. Anyone at any age should be able to easily re-enter a Monty with an adaptation of this system. These guys are ocean sailors on small boats, they know what they are talking about.
https://youtu.be/uv6ia0gU5Js
https://youtu.be/jGOvKT-ryq0
www.rustyknorr.weebly.com
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> 1. Fwd: Clever (Conbert Benneck)
> 2. Re: Fwd: Clever (Edward Epifani)
> 3. Re: Fwd: Clever (Edward Epifani)
> 4. Re: Fwd: Clever (casioqv(a)usermail.com)
> 5. Re: Fwd: Clever - safety plans (John Schinnerer)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 10:16:24 -0600
> From: Conbert Benneck <chbenneck(a)gmail.com>
> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>
> Subject: M_Boats: Fwd: Clever
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> Good morning fellow sailors,
>
>
> Here is an excellent idea? that will make a wonderful Christmas present
> for yourself or any sailor firends
>
> Happy holidays,
>
> Connie
>
>
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: Clever
> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2020 11:21:47 +0100
> From: benneck(a)gmx.de
> To: 'Conbert Benneck' <chbenneck(a)gmail.com>
>
>
>
> Dad,
>
> This is one of those ?Why didn?t I think of that? devices:
>
> https://newatlas.com/marine/seearch-wearable-inflatable-open-water-rescue/?…
> <https://newatlas.com/marine/seearch-wearable-inflatable-open-water-rescue/?…>
>
>
> Gerhard
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 16:42:00 +0000
> From: Edward Epifani <edepifani(a)hotmail.com>
> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>
> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: Clever
> Message-ID:
> <MWHPR18MB13423975A45ADF51A6BD7B8AB2F30(a)MWHPR18MB1342.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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> Certainly begs the question: what are Montgomery sailor?s rescue plans...
> Both solo and companion sailing?
> Have you practiced?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 2, 2020, at 8:16 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Good morning fellow sailors,
>>
>>
>> Here is an excellent idea that will make a wonderful Christmas present for yourself or any sailor firends
>>
>> Happy holidays,
>>
>> Connie
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Subject: Clever
>> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2020 11:21:47 +0100
>> From: benneck(a)gmx.de
>> To: 'Conbert Benneck' <chbenneck(a)gmail.com>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dad,
>>
>> This is one of those ?Why didn?t I think of that? devices:
>>
>> https://newatlas.com/marine/seearch-wearable-inflatable-open-water-rescue/?… <https://newatlas.com/marine/seearch-wearable-inflatable-open-water-rescue/?…>
>>
>> Gerhard
>>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 16:48:07 +0000
> From: Edward Epifani <edepifani(a)hotmail.com>
> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>
> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: Clever
> Message-ID:
> <MWHPR18MB13426E3F418681757AD554FDB2F30(a)MWHPR18MB1342.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> A grim aside, I?ve known three mariners who drowned while moored at docks, having no plans to re-enter their boats in the event of falling overboard. Two armed deadlift pretty much impossible for anyone advanced in age.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 2, 2020, at 8:42 AM, Edward Epifani <edepifani(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Certainly begs the question: what are Montgomery sailor?s rescue plans...
>> Both solo and companion sailing?
>> Have you practiced?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>>> On Dec 2, 2020, at 8:16 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Good morning fellow sailors,
>>>
>>>
>>> Here is an excellent idea that will make a wonderful Christmas present for yourself or any sailor firends
>>>
>>> Happy holidays,
>>>
>>> Connie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>> Subject: Clever
>>> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2020 11:21:47 +0100
>>> From: benneck(a)gmx.de
>>> To: 'Conbert Benneck' <chbenneck(a)gmail.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dad,
>>>
>>> This is one of those ?Why didn?t I think of that? devices:
>>>
>>> https://newatlas.com/marine/seearch-wearable-inflatable-open-water-rescue/?… <https://newatlas.com/marine/seearch-wearable-inflatable-open-water-rescue/?…>
>>>
>>> Gerhard
>>>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 09:02:23 -0800 (PST)
> From: casioqv(a)usermail.com
> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>
> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: Clever
> Message-ID:
> <467051894.14998114.1606928543768.JavaMail.zimbra(a)usermail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Good question! I need to add a permanent swim ladder to my M15, but haven't installed one yet. That said, I always sail clipped in with a harness, and put out a removable swim ladder when at anchor. These days, 99% of my sailing is with my 3 year old son, and we both always wear a life jacket and clip in unless inside the cabin. I added a large stainless bow eye just under the companionway step for clipping in the cockpit, and use a dockline from the bow cleat to the stern cleat if I need to go forward... however there is never really a need to go forward in an M15 if you have a jib downhaul.
>
> When racing in calm conditions with experienced crew and a lot of other competitors and spectators around, I will forego the harness and tether so it doesn't slow me down. Also, I *can* enter an M15 using my own strength without a ladder, largely because I'm heavy enough to roll the boat to near the waterline.
>
> Sincerely,
> Tyler
> '81 M15 #157 S/V Defiant
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Edward Epifani" <edepifani(a)hotmail.com>
> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 8:42:00 AM
> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: Clever
>
> Certainly begs the question: what are Montgomery sailor?s rescue plans...
> Both solo and companion sailing?
> Have you practiced?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 2, 2020, at 8:16 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Good morning fellow sailors,
>>
>>
>> Here is an excellent idea that will make a wonderful Christmas present for yourself or any sailor firends
>>
>> Happy holidays,
>>
>> Connie
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Subject: Clever
>> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2020 11:21:47 +0100
>> From: benneck(a)gmx.de
>> To: 'Conbert Benneck' <chbenneck(a)gmail.com>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dad,
>>
>> This is one of those ?Why didn?t I think of that? devices:
>>
>> https://newatlas.com/marine/seearch-wearable-inflatable-open-water-rescue/?… <https://newatlas.com/marine/seearch-wearable-inflatable-open-water-rescue/?…>
>>
>> Gerhard
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 09:55:12 -0800
> From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net>
> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com
> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: Clever - safety plans
> Message-ID: <78fed254-1eb4-8e64-e1e4-bd196be0baca(a)eco-living.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> Safety plans & furnishings...
>
> My M17 has a transom mounted swim ladder, normally stowed folded but I
> can deploy it from in the water if needed. Just a flimsy snap strap and
> one worn out bungee ball cord keep it stowed upright.
>
> I'm wearing my PFD at all times while under way, which is a well
> fitting, properly fitted, paddling/sailing designed,
> always-ready-to-float-you PFD, not an inflatable.
> I also usually wear it when I'm scampering around the boat & dock
> setting up to head out...just in case, to avoid being like the
> unfortunate mariners who drowned when tied to a dock or mooring.
>
> I could never feel as safe wearing an inflatable. I worry about boating
> friends who use them. So much can go wrong on the way overboard (or long
> before...did the cartridge leak? Is the mechanism working? etc.) that
> will render it unlikely to get inflated after one hits the water.
>
> Plus when inflated they are bulky and obstructive, like the old
> horse-collar "life jackets" - whereas with a well designed & fitted
> paddle/sail PFD one can swim half-decently (if one is at least a
> half-decent swimmer :-), and they are less obstructive when re-entering
> a boat from the water.
>
> cheers,
> John
>
>
>
>> On 12/2/20 9:02 AM, casioqv(a)usermail.com wrote:
>> Good question! I need to add a permanent swim ladder to my M15, but haven't installed one yet. That said, I always sail clipped in with a harness, and put out a removable swim ladder when at anchor. These days, 99% of my sailing is with my 3 year old son, and we both always wear a life jacket and clip in unless inside the cabin. I added a large stainless bow eye just under the companionway step for clipping in the cockpit, and use a dockline from the bow cleat to the stern cleat if I need to go forward... however there is never really a need to go forward in an M15 if you have a jib downhaul.
>>
>> When racing in calm conditions with experienced crew and a lot of other competitors and spectators around, I will forego the harness and tether so it doesn't slow me down. Also, I *can* enter an M15 using my own strength without a ladder, largely because I'm heavy enough to roll the boat to near the waterline.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Tyler
>> '81 M15 #157 S/V Defiant
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Edward Epifani" <edepifani(a)hotmail.com>
>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 8:42:00 AM
>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: Clever
>>
>> Certainly begs the question: what are Montgomery sailor?s rescue plans...
>> Both solo and companion sailing?
>> Have you practiced?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>>> On Dec 2, 2020, at 8:16 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Good morning fellow sailors,
>>>
>>>
>>> Here is an excellent idea that will make a wonderful Christmas present for yourself or any sailor firends
>>>
>>> Happy holidays,
>>>
>>> Connie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>> Subject: Clever
>>> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2020 11:21:47 +0100
>>> From: benneck(a)gmx.de
>>> To: 'Conbert Benneck' <chbenneck(a)gmail.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dad,
>>>
>>> This is one of those ?Why didn?t I think of that? devices:
>>>
>>> https://newatlas.com/marine/seearch-wearable-inflatable-open-water-rescue/?… <https://newatlas.com/marine/seearch-wearable-inflatable-open-water-rescue/?…>
>>>
>>> Gerhard
>>>
>>
>
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