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Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used.
by Doug 14 Aug '22

14 Aug '22

New member here from Bend, OR. just bought a Montgomery 15. ⁣Sent from BlueMail

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Gel coat restoration
by Edward Epifani 10 Jan '21

10 Jan '21

Hey Skippers, Anyone have experience with M15-23 gelcoat restoration ? My boat previously was a Dream Boat: she sat in the sun while the owner mostly dreamed. My impression is that JM used very good technique/ materials, the damage seems minimal compared to what I’ve seen on equivalent age sun stored boats. So I’d describe the oxidation as light/moderate. I’m looking at a shurhold polish/ buffer. I’m well aware of the danger of over zealous circular polishing, seems more likely with lapstrake hull form. The Shurhold is orbital and smaller. Also would love to hear about nonskid cleaning/ restoration experience. Ed Epifani M15 ‘83, #200 something Sent from my iPhone

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Montgomery 15 Companion Way Hatch Cover
by Bruce LaLonde 31 Dec '20

31 Dec '20

I am the owner of an older M15 and when I slide my companion way hatch cover open it does not slide smoothly. It sounds as though it is sliding on grit and I can see where it is wearing through the gel coat. Is there something that the hatch cover is to be sliding on? Or should this be lubricated in some fashion?

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Navigation lights M15
by Jim Sadler 28 Dec '20

28 Dec '20

Do any of you skippers have your navigation (red and green) lights installed on top of the mast? It seems to be illegal when powering when the steaming light is on . I thought the steaming light was to be above the navigation lights. Also are deck mounted navigation lights installed at 112/2 = 56 (not 90) deg off Hull CL? I am outfitting Pelican to navigate in the steamer lanes off Channel Islands. The container ship needs to see me in time to change course. LOL Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

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Re: M_Boats: Merry Christmas
by bownez＠juno.com 26 Dec '20

26 Dec '20

Hello Larry and all the wrinkle boaters! Yes, my San Juan adventure in 2005 will always be treasured! What an experience to helm a BCC for 8 days! Remember spotting those Orcas in Haro Straight? Miss my M17 and M23, but they are in good hands and being enjoyed.... Be safe, and be well all. Michael "Bones" Bowden Mpls ____________________________________________________________ Sponsored by https://www.newser.com/?utm_source=part&utm_medium=uol&utm_campaign=rss_tag… Trumps Issue Christmas Message http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5fe5ed55371f66d544958st03vuc1 Guy Gave Homeless Man a Dollar. Then Things Got Good http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5fe5ed555a9d06d544958st03vuc2 Once Again, a Possible Jetpack Sighting 3K Feet Up http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5fe5ed557e2b26d544958st03vuc3

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M15 cockpit drains
by David Grah 26 Dec '20

26 Dec '20

For what it is worth, I have a hard time imagining adding additional cockpit drains making sense on a Montgomery 15. The stock drain does a fine job of getting rid of normal water. If you were going to be sailing where you would be getting the cockpit filled with water, I think it would make more sense to do something to reduce the volume of the cockpit to something the stock drain could handle. It's a great boat just the way it is and, if you were going to do work on the boat, I am not sure a different cockpit drain should be very high on the list. David GrahBishop CaliforniaMontgomery 15 Message: 1 Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2020 00:31:47 +0000 From: Jim Sadler <jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com> To: "montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: M15 cockpit drains Message-ID: <BY5PR13MB3859FD129CCCE1DF676FADC9D5DB0(a)BY5PR13MB3859.namprd13.prod.outlook.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Any of you skipper added cockpit drains? What is the best way? The stern or thru haul? Merry Christmas Capt Jim

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Merry Christmas
by Conbert Benneck 26 Dec '20

26 Dec '20

As the oldest member of the clan, who hasn't been on the water in years, let me pass on a tid-bit, from the Admirable who has been sailing the Elysian Seas in our M15 LEPPO since May 2019. She told me that when she reached the Pearly Gates, St. Peter welcomed her, and gave her our old M15 so that she could have new Heavenly sailing Adventures. It was ship-shape, provisioned, and ready to sail new seas. It could sail locally, or you could point the bow at the horizon and explore new distant realms. M-sailors will find that on the Elysian Seas, all courses to your destinations are broad reaches; there are many little delightful harbors, with good holding ground for overnight anchoring, - and your anchor will never drag. The weather cooperates, with just enough variation to keep you on your toes, and ads zest to the daily sailing experience. For your present Earthly sailing, I would like to wish you fair winds; always a hands-breadth of water under your keel; and good holding grounds for your anchor. Happy Sailing, Connie

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Merry Christmas
by Larry Yake 26 Dec '20

26 Dec '20

Things have been quiet on the list for a while now. Let me be the first to wish all my good M boat friends here on this great list a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Special greetings to all the San Juan Rendezvous alumni. We had some great times on those cruises and I still treasure those memories we made together. Someday maybe we'll do it again. Until then, best wishes for the new year. May it be MUCH better than the last one! Larry Y M17 CornDog

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M15 cockpit drains
by Jim Sadler 26 Dec '20

26 Dec '20

Any of you skipper added cockpit drains? What is the best way? The stern or thru haul? Merry Christmas Capt Jim Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

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Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 214, Issue 2
by Jon Barber 11 Dec '20

11 Dec '20

Copy that. Never liked the idea of a stern mounted boarding ladder. The backstay is right in the way. When I sailed with the Nor Cal Potters Bay Area Messabout I devised a similar reentry sling in my 17. I used orange ratchet straps minus the ratchet and hung them from the perforated aluminum sheet rail older Monty17's have. I made two loops on each side, gathering them loosely with zip ties. I was able to test them with the boat on the trailer to determine how low they should hang. I didn't need to try them in earnest, thankfully. I now tether up whenever I sail. An aside on the same subject. I had dog tags made, one side has my name and address, the other my wife's name and phone number. Just in case. Jon Barber Monty17 Ol'44 On Thu, Dec 3, 2020, 11:00 AM <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Capsize recover/re-entry (Rusty Knorr) > 2. Re: Capsize recover/re-entry (Dave Scobie) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 12:00:08 -0800 > From: Rusty Knorr <rustyinafrica(a)yahoo.com> > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: M_Boats: Capsize recover/re-entry > Message-ID: <FDCD41FE-A856-4C36-9273-BB0E17DB5F0D(a)yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Stern mounted boarding ladders are considered a very poor choice by open > water sailors. Grabbing on to the stern of a boat moving through the water > after a capsize is going to pivot the boat downwind, likely filling the > sail and making the boat take off, furthering the difficulty of > re-boarding, or making it impossible. For those considering re-entry > options after a capsize or unintended going overboard, Howard Rice and > John Welsford have devised an ingenious system for SCAMP using straps for > re-entry. Anyone at any age should be able to easily re-enter a Monty with > an adaptation of this system. These guys are ocean sailors on small boats, > they know what they are talking about. > > https://youtu.be/uv6ia0gU5Js > > https://youtu.be/jGOvKT-ryq0 > > > www.rustyknorr.weebly.com > > > On Dec 2, 2020, at 11:00 AM, > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com wrote: > > > > ?Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Fwd: Clever (Conbert Benneck) > > 2. Re: Fwd: Clever (Edward Epifani) > > 3. Re: Fwd: Clever (Edward Epifani) > > 4. Re: Fwd: Clever (casioqv(a)usermail.com) > > 5. Re: Fwd: Clever - safety plans (John Schinnerer) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 10:16:24 -0600 > > From: Conbert Benneck <chbenneck(a)gmail.com> > > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > Subject: M_Boats: Fwd: Clever > > Message-ID: <9dd0e3e5-a517-6672-3a8b-5e02ab9b74e8(a)gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > > > Good morning fellow sailors, > > > > > > Here is an excellent idea? that will make a wonderful Christmas present > > for yourself or any sailor firends > > > > Happy holidays, > > > > Connie > > > > > > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > > Subject: Clever > > Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2020 11:21:47 +0100 > > From: benneck(a)gmx.de > > To: 'Conbert Benneck' <chbenneck(a)gmail.com> > > > > > > > > Dad, > > > > This is one of those ?Why didn?t I think of that? devices: > > > > > https://newatlas.com/marine/seearch-wearable-inflatable-open-water-rescue/?… > > < > https://newatlas.com/marine/seearch-wearable-inflatable-open-water-rescue/?…> > > > > > > > Gerhard > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 16:42:00 +0000 > > From: Edward Epifani <edepifani(a)hotmail.com> > > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: Clever > > Message-ID: > > < > MWHPR18MB13423975A45ADF51A6BD7B8AB2F30(a)MWHPR18MB1342.namprd18.prod.outlook.com > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Certainly begs the question: what are Montgomery sailor?s rescue plans... > > Both solo and companion sailing? > > Have you practiced? > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Dec 2, 2020, at 8:16 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >> Good morning fellow sailors, > >> > >> > >> Here is an excellent idea that will make a wonderful Christmas present > for yourself or any sailor firends > >> > >> Happy holidays, > >> > >> Connie > >> > >> > >> > >> -------- Forwarded Message -------- > >> Subject: Clever > >> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2020 11:21:47 +0100 > >> From: benneck(a)gmx.de > >> To: 'Conbert Benneck' <chbenneck(a)gmail.com> > >> > >> > >> > >> Dad, > >> > >> This is one of those ?Why didn?t I think of that? devices: > >> > >> > https://newatlas.com/marine/seearch-wearable-inflatable-open-water-rescue/?… > < > https://newatlas.com/marine/seearch-wearable-inflatable-open-water-rescue/?…> > > >> > >> Gerhard > >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 16:48:07 +0000 > > From: Edward Epifani <edepifani(a)hotmail.com> > > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: Clever > > Message-ID: > > < > MWHPR18MB13426E3F418681757AD554FDB2F30(a)MWHPR18MB1342.namprd18.prod.outlook.com > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > A grim aside, I?ve known three mariners who drowned while moored at > docks, having no plans to re-enter their boats in the event of falling > overboard. Two armed deadlift pretty much impossible for anyone advanced in > age. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Dec 2, 2020, at 8:42 AM, Edward Epifani <edepifani(a)hotmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >> Certainly begs the question: what are Montgomery sailor?s rescue > plans... > >> Both solo and companion sailing? > >> Have you practiced? > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>>> On Dec 2, 2020, at 8:16 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >>> > >>> Good morning fellow sailors, > >>> > >>> > >>> Here is an excellent idea that will make a wonderful Christmas > present for yourself or any sailor firends > >>> > >>> Happy holidays, > >>> > >>> Connie > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -------- Forwarded Message -------- > >>> Subject: Clever > >>> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2020 11:21:47 +0100 > >>> From: benneck(a)gmx.de > >>> To: 'Conbert Benneck' <chbenneck(a)gmail.com> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Dad, > >>> > >>> This is one of those ?Why didn?t I think of that? devices: > >>> > >>> > https://newatlas.com/marine/seearch-wearable-inflatable-open-water-rescue/?… > < > https://newatlas.com/marine/seearch-wearable-inflatable-open-water-rescue/?…> > > >>> > >>> Gerhard > >>> > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 09:02:23 -0800 (PST) > > From: casioqv(a)usermail.com > > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: Clever > > Message-ID: > > <467051894.14998114.1606928543768.JavaMail.zimbra(a)usermail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > > Good question! I need to add a permanent swim ladder to my M15, but > haven't installed one yet. That said, I always sail clipped in with a > harness, and put out a removable swim ladder when at anchor. These days, > 99% of my sailing is with my 3 year old son, and we both always wear a life > jacket and clip in unless inside the cabin. I added a large stainless bow > eye just under the companionway step for clipping in the cockpit, and use a > dockline from the bow cleat to the stern cleat if I need to go forward... > however there is never really a need to go forward in an M15 if you have a > jib downhaul. > > > > When racing in calm conditions with experienced crew and a lot of other > competitors and spectators around, I will forego the harness and tether so > it doesn't slow me down. Also, I *can* enter an M15 using my own strength > without a ladder, largely because I'm heavy enough to roll the boat to near > the waterline. > > > > Sincerely, > > Tyler > > '81 M15 #157 S/V Defiant > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Edward Epifani" <edepifani(a)hotmail.com> > > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 8:42:00 AM > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: Clever > > > > Certainly begs the question: what are Montgomery sailor?s rescue plans... > > Both solo and companion sailing? > > Have you practiced? > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Dec 2, 2020, at 8:16 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >> Good morning fellow sailors, > >> > >> > >> Here is an excellent idea that will make a wonderful Christmas present > for yourself or any sailor firends > >> > >> Happy holidays, > >> > >> Connie > >> > >> > >> > >> -------- Forwarded Message -------- > >> Subject: Clever > >> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2020 11:21:47 +0100 > >> From: benneck(a)gmx.de > >> To: 'Conbert Benneck' <chbenneck(a)gmail.com> > >> > >> > >> > >> Dad, > >> > >> This is one of those ?Why didn?t I think of that? devices: > >> > >> > https://newatlas.com/marine/seearch-wearable-inflatable-open-water-rescue/?… > < > https://newatlas.com/marine/seearch-wearable-inflatable-open-water-rescue/?…> > > >> > >> Gerhard > >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 09:55:12 -0800 > > From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> > > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: Clever - safety plans > > Message-ID: <78fed254-1eb4-8e64-e1e4-bd196be0baca(a)eco-living.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > > > Safety plans & furnishings... > > > > My M17 has a transom mounted swim ladder, normally stowed folded but I > > can deploy it from in the water if needed. Just a flimsy snap strap and > > one worn out bungee ball cord keep it stowed upright. > > > > I'm wearing my PFD at all times while under way, which is a well > > fitting, properly fitted, paddling/sailing designed, > > always-ready-to-float-you PFD, not an inflatable. > > I also usually wear it when I'm scampering around the boat & dock > > setting up to head out...just in case, to avoid being like the > > unfortunate mariners who drowned when tied to a dock or mooring. > > > > I could never feel as safe wearing an inflatable. I worry about boating > > friends who use them. So much can go wrong on the way overboard (or long > > before...did the cartridge leak? Is the mechanism working? etc.) that > > will render it unlikely to get inflated after one hits the water. > > > > Plus when inflated they are bulky and obstructive, like the old > > horse-collar "life jackets" - whereas with a well designed & fitted > > paddle/sail PFD one can swim half-decently (if one is at least a > > half-decent swimmer :-), and they are less obstructive when re-entering > > a boat from the water. > > > > cheers, > > John > > > > > > > >> On 12/2/20 9:02 AM, casioqv(a)usermail.com wrote: > >> Good question! I need to add a permanent swim ladder to my M15, but > haven't installed one yet. That said, I always sail clipped in with a > harness, and put out a removable swim ladder when at anchor. These days, > 99% of my sailing is with my 3 year old son, and we both always wear a life > jacket and clip in unless inside the cabin. I added a large stainless bow > eye just under the companionway step for clipping in the cockpit, and use a > dockline from the bow cleat to the stern cleat if I need to go forward... > however there is never really a need to go forward in an M15 if you have a > jib downhaul. > >> > >> When racing in calm conditions with experienced crew and a lot of other > competitors and spectators around, I will forego the harness and tether so > it doesn't slow me down. Also, I *can* enter an M15 using my own strength > without a ladder, largely because I'm heavy enough to roll the boat to near > the waterline. > >> > >> Sincerely, > >> Tyler > >> '81 M15 #157 S/V Defiant > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Edward Epifani" <edepifani(a)hotmail.com> > >> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > >> Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 8:42:00 AM > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: Clever > >> > >> Certainly begs the question: what are Montgomery sailor?s rescue > plans... > >> Both solo and companion sailing? > >> Have you practiced? > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>>> On Dec 2, 2020, at 8:16 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >>> > >>> Good morning fellow sailors, > >>> > >>> > >>> Here is an excellent idea that will make a wonderful Christmas > present for yourself or any sailor firends > >>> > >>> Happy holidays, > >>> > >>> Connie > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -------- Forwarded Message -------- > >>> Subject: Clever > >>> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2020 11:21:47 +0100 > >>> From: benneck(a)gmx.de > >>> To: 'Conbert Benneck' <chbenneck(a)gmail.com> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Dad, > >>> > >>> This is one of those ?Why didn?t I think of that? devices: > >>> > >>> > https://newatlas.com/marine/seearch-wearable-inflatable-open-water-rescue/?… > < > https://newatlas.com/marine/seearch-wearable-inflatable-open-water-rescue/?… > > > >>> > >>> Gerhard > >>> > >> > > > > -- > > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > > -------------------------------------------- > > - Eco-Living - > > Whole Systems Design Services > > People - Place - Learning - Integration > > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > > http://eco-living.net > > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Subject: Digest Footer > > > > _______________________________________________ > > montgomery_boats mailing list > > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 214, Issue 1 > > ************************************************ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 12:18:51 -0800 > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > To: Rusty Knorr <rustyinafrica(a)yahoo.com>, For and about Montgomery > Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Capsize recover/re-entry > Message-ID: > < > CAGjBOA4aE2G-1NVWPzLAGr7LEvDwR8NUcX0NMUfNwLodRueHbg(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > What Rusty wrote are good points and for high seas very true. > > Howard's system, I would agree, could be adapted to a Mboat (as long as > there are no lifelines). > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M6'8" #650 > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ > > > On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 12:01 PM Rusty Knorr via montgomery_boats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > > Stern mounted boarding ladders are considered a very poor choice by open > > water sailors. Grabbing on to the stern of a boat moving through the > water > > after a capsize is going to pivot the boat downwind, likely filling the > > sail and making the boat take off, furthering the difficulty of > > re-boarding, or making it impossible. For those considering re-entry > > options after a capsize or unintended going overboard, Howard Rice and > > John Welsford have devised an ingenious system for SCAMP using straps for > > re-entry. Anyone at any age should be able to easily re-enter a Monty > with > > an adaptation of this system. These guys are ocean sailors on small > boats, > > they know what they are talking about. > > > > https://youtu.be/uv6ia0gU5Js > > > > https://youtu.be/jGOvKT-ryq0 > > > > > > www.rustyknorr.weebly.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > ------------------------------ > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 214, Issue 2 > ************************************************ >

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