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Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout
by Gary Oberbeck 17 Nov '18

17 Nov '18

two of the guys that invited you to this event - guess which ones? You win a prize ! (Must be present to win) https://www.maricopacountyparks.net/assets/1/15/GalleryMainDimensionId/LP-B…

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Mast slide slot
by Thomas Buzzi 16 Nov '18

16 Nov '18

Monty Sailors, If, for some reason you must alter the factory slot on your mast the aluminum is amazingly maleable. I was going to buy a very expensive slide door but, just for grins (?) decided to close down the length of the slot myself so my gooseneck would not slip out of the mast. First in inserted a piece of oak that was a tight fit into the mast slide such that the bottom of the oak extended as far into the slide opening as I wanted to close it down. Then I took a second block of oak and tapped it with a hammer carefully and ,voila, the slot closed up very nicely. My result was that no matter how much I downhauled on my new mainsail, the boom now stays in the slide tunnel on the aft of the mast. Quick, cheap and fun. Fair winds, Tom B, Monty 17 AS-IS, now splashing around in east central Texas. <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

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Re: M_Boats: 15M v 17M
by brad kurlancheek 15 Nov '18

15 Nov '18

Pete, I own a 15M only - but I can tell how much a difference it was for me going from my 13 foot microcruiser to the M15. In my 13, almost everything is within arm's reach. JUst a slight stretch in one direction or the other, and voila, I had what I needed or could do what I needed. And when I sit one one cockpit side, it's easy for me to rest my heels on the edge of the seat of the other side, and lean back a tad and be happy as a clam. Not so with the M15. I found that to do almost anything, required a whole step one way or the other, and then the stretch. In other words, I had to go get it (poor me!). And when sitting on one cockpit bench my feet did not so comfortably find a resting place right on the other (i'm 5'9, or used to be). They could get there, but it doesn't seem as comfortable. Yes, of course, I much enjoy the lavish cabin space (lavish to me at least) in the M15 as compared to my 13 footer, and appreciate the added storage space, stability and control immensely. It's just that added step or additional reach required to get things done, that sometimes chaffs on me. My point I guess, is, that with regards to your going from a 15 to 17, anticipate that for every movement you used to make in the M15 to accomplish something, doing the same in an M17, will require even a little bit more movement than what you're used to. Good luck. - Brad

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Re: M_Boats: mast slot & reefing (was Re: mastgate (was Re: Reefing (was Re: 15M v 17M))) ; -)
by Dave Scobie 15 Nov '18

15 Nov '18

Tyler: The low slot location is a PITA!! Makes the boat harder rig and reef. There seems to have been a Mboat owner move to change to the 'low slot' sometime in the past as both SWEET PEA and SCRED (my M15) were converted. IMO it is not a good modification. Once modified you CANNOT go back as putting in the old, correct, slot requires re-bending and aluminum gives you one bend not two! Re-bending will likely result in breaking off the luff groove area of the slot. Using the reefing method I have described the main halyard never leaves your hand. The halyard also never gets so slack as to flop around and possibly get wrapped up in the starboard side shroud. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 1:22 PM <casioqv(a)usermail.com wrote: > Hi Dave, > > How would you compare the setup of having the slot below the boom to > having a mast gate? I'm trying to decide which to do for my M15. Moving the > slot is much easier and cheaper since the factory M15 slot was just pried > open and can be set back with a rubber mallet. > > Tow annoying things that can happen when reefing my M15 are the slugs > falling out of the slot, and loosing the mainsheet up in the shrouds. To > fix the latter I'm thinking to get a slightly longer main halyard so I can > fix the end near the cleat, and it can't get lost. I don't want the popular > modern setup of having the main halyard at the cockpit, because it's just > one extra thing to rig for a daysail, one extra hole in the deck, etc. > > Sincerely, > Tyler > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "scoobscobie" <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 12:47:20 PM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: mastgatr (was Re: Reefing (was Re: 15M v 17M) > > I use a slot stop on SWEET PEA to keep the gooseneck from falling out the > 'bottom of the mast slot'. Never had issue with the boom sliding down and > knocking the stop out of the track. The stop as a metal washer, nylon > washwasher and a wingnut. > > When reefed the gooseneck is supported by the halyard being in opposition > to the tack line. > > Wonder what is happening with your boat's mast and/or stop that causes it > to slip? > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: M6'8" #650 > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 12:37 PM <swwheatley(a)comcast.net wrote: > > > The mast slot on my M17 was moved below the boom too and, ironically, > that > > is exactly why I use a reefing hook instead of the o.e. tack line setup. > > The tack lines do not support the boom so the mainsheet pulls it down and > > the sliding gooseneck comes out of the slot--not good when you're sailing > > solo in high winds and choppy seas. In theory, I could prevent that with > > one of those track stop devices, but in practice I have to tighten the > > track stop with a set of pliers before it can resist the considerable > > downward force generated by the mainsheet--hand tightening simply will > not > > work. With the reefing hook, the boom is automatically supported by > halyard > > tension on the mainsail luff--problem solved. Or you could convert to a > > fixed gooseneck. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com> > On > > Behalf Of Dave Scobie > > Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 2:00 PM > > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < > > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: mastgatr (was Re: Reefing (was Re: 15M v 17M) > > > > John. > > > > Contact Tom at mastgates.com He can make one for you. > > > > I just stack the slugs on SWEET PEA as a prior owner closed the slot and > > moved it to below, yes below, the boom. > > > > :: Dave Scobie > > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > > :: M6'8" #650 > > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 10:52 AM John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net > wrote: > > > > > Forgot to say...if anyone has any examples of fixing this issue... > > > > > > My larger reefing problem is that my mast has a big (4" or more) > > > cutaway in the sail track for slugs to go in - probably because the > > > original sail was boltrope not slugs. > > > And there's no "gate" on it that I can close. So reefing is a PITA at > > > the tack because lowering main means taking out slug stop above > > > cutaway, some slugs come out, some need to go below stop, I've got to > > > feed them back in one side or another, then put the stop back in. > > > > > > With tack lines I won't have to lower main quite as far so maybe one > > > less slug to deal with. > > > > > > But really I need to fabricate a gate for that area so there's no need > > > for the slug stop, the slugs stay in and just stack up as low as > > possible. > > > > > > That's the challenge with the tack lines - on a 2nd reef the tack > > > cringle may be sitting on a big stack of slugs, can't come down > > > towards the boom as far as one might like. > > > > > > cheers, > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17
by Gary Oberbeck 13 Nov '18

13 Nov '18

Ed, I think Dave is referring to a M-15 traveler? If you have a M-17 - there are many types of travelers - can you post a photo of the hardware you have ? We can get it figured from the photo. Thanks, Gary O.M-17 Sail# 354 - 'Tiny Purple Fishes' (one of a few that has had the traveler removed!) -----Original Message----- From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wed, Nov 7, 2018 10:52 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17 Ed. The traveler is a 1/4" line with a block similar to a Harken #2649 (rope traveler block). I don't have the length of the line, but it needs to be set so when you pull the mainsheet tight the aft end of the boom is just at the aft quarter (tighter makes the boat sail worse - I've found many M15s where the main is oversheeted because of a too short mainsheet traveler). A M15 owner can share the length. The tie an 8-knot in one end. Run line through one of the transom holes (by the aft end of the combing); run line through the block, run line through the second (opposite) transom hole and tie an 8-knot. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 6:46 AM Edward Cazier <edward.cazier(a)gmail.com wrote: > Greetings all - I have a 1981 Montgomery 17 (Scooby Doo - sail #888) that > has been recently repainted (need to create a page and upload photos - she > looks great!). Unfortunately, the boat yard that did the work returned > several elements of the rigging in a chaotic state. I have been able to > fix all of the chaos, except for the traveler. Would someone send a photo > / direct me to a page on the Montgomery website with a photo of the correct > rigging for the traveler? > > Thanks, > > Ed >

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15M vs 17M
by Peter Zimowsky 12 Nov '18

12 Nov '18

Hi: I’ve been debating getting a bigger boat but I love my M15 for ease of stepping the mast, launching and sailing solo. The only thing I would like is a larger living space for cruising the San Juan Islands. So we’re talking about sailing solo in the M15 about 30 days at my home reservoir and then 7 days in the San Juans. Is it worth going to a larger boat for those seven days? And, is an M17 easy to handle solo? Thanks for the input. There’s always a debate among sailors about going to a larger boat. Good winds, Pete Winter Sky (Zimowsky) outdoors writer and photographer www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors "Be with Tahlequah" Talhequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family.

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Re: M_Boats: '82 M15 centerboard stuck
by Dave Scobie 12 Nov '18

12 Nov '18

You need to figure out if it is the board of the keel ballast. Look at the keel. Is it uniform in shape Port and syarboat? Bulges? Signs of rust wearing? Is the centerboard uniform in shape? Bulges? Signs of weeping rust? Did the board go down easily? Has it been 'getting snug' over time? If no to these questions it is unlikely that it just rusting ballast as it isn't like the rust suddenly explands in hours. Sometimes things get into the truck and jam the board. Small sticks, tree bits and people's in the cockpit and then falling into the cockpit drain can casue the issue you describe. See the MSOGphotosite.com for descriptions of dropping the M15 centerboard - search 'centerboard'. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Sun, Nov 11, 2018, 11:43 AM matthew bowers <offeringgoddesses(a)gmail.com wrote: > Hi folks, > > I am looking for a used/new center board for a 1982 M15. I m not sure I > need one but the last sail it refused to retract so I had to force it in as > I pulled onto the trailer. Any advice on repair or where to obtain one > would be great. > > Thanks, > Matthew in NM >

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Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 189, Issue 4
by matthew bowers 11 Nov '18

11 Nov '18

Hi folks, I am looking for a used/new center board for a 1982 M15. I m not sure I need one but the last sail it refused to retract so I had to force it in as I pulled onto the trailer. Any advice on repair or where to obtain one would be great. Thanks, Matthew in NM > On Nov 11, 2018, at 12:00 PM, montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com wrote: > > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. 15M vs 17M (Peter Zimowsky) > 2. Re: 15M vs 17M (John Schinnerer) > 3. Re: 15M vs 17M (Peter Zimowsky) > 4. Re: 15M vs 17M (Larry Yake) > 5. Re: 15M vs 17M (casioqv(a)usermail.com) > 6. Re: 15M vs 17M (Dave Scobie) > 7. Re: 15M vs 17M (Peter Zimowsky) > 8. Educational videos at UK Sails Ireland - some good ones! > (Gary Oberbeck) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 12:25:21 -0700 > From: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz(a)mac.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: M_Boats: 15M vs 17M > Message-ID: <1713C42E-FF87-419A-A0BB-F9977257C906(a)mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hi: > I?ve been debating getting a bigger boat but I love my M15 for ease of stepping the mast, launching and sailing solo. The only thing I would like is a larger living space for cruising the San Juan Islands. So we?re talking about sailing solo in the M15 about 30 days at my home reservoir and then 7 days in the San Juans. Is it worth going to a larger boat for those seven days? > And, is an M17 easy to handle solo? > Thanks for the input. There?s always a debate among sailors about going to a larger boat. > Good winds, > > > Pete Winter Sky > (Zimowsky) > > outdoors writer and photographer > www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> > Twitter: @zimosoutdoors > > > "Be with Tahlequah" > Talhequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 12:07:46 -0800 > From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: 15M vs 17M > Message-ID: <0bb023d9-da5d-02a2-6689-bcb7e473ec00(a)eco-living.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > I find my M17 easy enough to handle solo, in most ways that come readily > to mind. > > It got even easier this past season (what little time I got in) with the > addition of a reefing furler for the jib, and main halyard led to cockpit. > > In terms of sailing solo, it's just a big heavy sloop-rig dinghy really > (that's a compliment Jerry :-) > And pretty nimble for its size & weight I'd say. > > I don't use it for day-sailing off the trailer on a regular basis, it's > more overhead to rig up and down than I usually want to spend on that. > But I could - it's not particularly complicated, just takes some time & > attention. The furler adds a bit to that, but then pays off big time on > the water in variable wind conditions. > > I've only seen an M15 rig up & down a time or two, but it seems to take > almost as long. > > I could imagine cruising solo on an M15 for a while. Not for long at all > with two people. > > If I already had an M15, and the balance of use you describe, I'd > probably stick with the M15. But if you were going to do significantly > more cruising...especially not solo - it might be worth switching. > > Some folks here cruise with two on an M15 repeatedly, so they can speak > to how that works for them. > > I'm 6' 3" tall so that is a factor. The M15 v-berth is actually a few > inches longer than the M17. But there's no space for anything but lying > down inside the cabin (for me anyhow). And I find the M15 cockpit a bit > knees-to-chin also. I appreciate the (relative) spaciousness of both the > cockpit and cabin on my M17. > > And, you can tow the M15 with most anything. You need at least one step > up from "most anything" in HP and brakes to tow an M17. > > Hope that helps...if you have more specific questions feel free to ask. > > cheers, > John > > > On 11/10/2018 11:25 AM, Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats wrote: >> Hi: >> I?ve been debating getting a bigger boat but I love my M15 for ease of stepping the mast, launching and sailing solo. The only thing I would like is a larger living space for cruising the San Juan Islands. So we?re talking about sailing solo in the M15 about 30 days at my home reservoir and then 7 days in the San Juans. Is it worth going to a larger boat for those seven days? >> And, is an M17 easy to handle solo? >> Thanks for the input. There?s always a debate among sailors about going to a larger boat. >> Good winds, >> >> >> Pete Winter Sky >> (Zimowsky) >> >> outdoors writer and photographer >> www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> >> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors >> >> >> "Be with Tahlequah" >> Talhequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family. >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 17:15:23 -0700 > From: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz(a)mac.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: 15M vs 17M > Message-ID: <DE5C1B93-37C7-4A7F-BB0D-81A6804FCB7E(a)mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Great info. Really appreciate you taking the time to answer my questions. My M15 keeps looking better and better. > Pete > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Nov 10, 2018, at 13:07, John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> wrote: >> >> I find my M17 easy enough to handle solo, in most ways that come readily to mind. >> >> It got even easier this past season (what little time I got in) with the addition of a reefing furler for the jib, and main halyard led to cockpit. >> >> In terms of sailing solo, it's just a big heavy sloop-rig dinghy really (that's a compliment Jerry :-) >> And pretty nimble for its size & weight I'd say. >> >> I don't use it for day-sailing off the trailer on a regular basis, it's more overhead to rig up and down than I usually want to spend on that. But I could - it's not particularly complicated, just takes some time & attention. The furler adds a bit to that, but then pays off big time on the water in variable wind conditions. >> >> I've only seen an M15 rig up & down a time or two, but it seems to take almost as long. >> >> I could imagine cruising solo on an M15 for a while. Not for long at all with two people. >> >> If I already had an M15, and the balance of use you describe, I'd probably stick with the M15. But if you were going to do significantly more cruising...especially not solo - it might be worth switching. >> >> Some folks here cruise with two on an M15 repeatedly, so they can speak to how that works for them. >> >> I'm 6' 3" tall so that is a factor. The M15 v-berth is actually a few inches longer than the M17. But there's no space for anything but lying down inside the cabin (for me anyhow). And I find the M15 cockpit a bit knees-to-chin also. I appreciate the (relative) spaciousness of both the cockpit and cabin on my M17. >> >> And, you can tow the M15 with most anything. You need at least one step up from "most anything" in HP and brakes to tow an M17. >> >> Hope that helps...if you have more specific questions feel free to ask. >> >> cheers, >> John >> >> >>> On 11/10/2018 11:25 AM, Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats wrote: >>> Hi: >>> I?ve been debating getting a bigger boat but I love my M15 for ease of stepping the mast, launching and sailing solo. The only thing I would like is a larger living space for cruising the San Juan Islands. So we?re talking about sailing solo in the M15 about 30 days at my home reservoir and then 7 days in the San Juans. Is it worth going to a larger boat for those seven days? >>> And, is an M17 easy to handle solo? >>> Thanks for the input. There?s always a debate among sailors about going to a larger boat. >>> Good winds, >>> Pete Winter Sky >>> (Zimowsky) >>> outdoors writer and photographer >>> www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> >>> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors >>> "Be with Tahlequah" >>> Talhequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family. >> >> -- >> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >> -------------------------------------------- >> - Eco-Living - >> Whole Systems Design Services >> People - Place - Learning - Integration >> john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >> http://eco-living.net >> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 17:29:49 -0800 > From: Larry Yake <larryyake(a)gmail.com> > To: rapidz(a)mac.com, For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: 15M vs 17M > Message-ID: > <CANjZbo=z+ucwHJOicnEpiifxJ3ngocUcQzk5h1iv965HXBcKeg(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > For what it's worth, when we were having the Montgomery San Juan Rendezvous > on an annual basis, every sailor, except one, that came with a M15 their > first year was in a M17 the next time they came. > > On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 4:16 PM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > >> Great info. Really appreciate you taking the time to answer my questions. >> My M15 keeps looking better and better. >> Pete >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Nov 10, 2018, at 13:07, John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> wrote: >>> >>> I find my M17 easy enough to handle solo, in most ways that come readily >> to mind. >>> >>> It got even easier this past season (what little time I got in) with the >> addition of a reefing furler for the jib, and main halyard led to cockpit. >>> >>> In terms of sailing solo, it's just a big heavy sloop-rig dinghy really >> (that's a compliment Jerry :-) >>> And pretty nimble for its size & weight I'd say. >>> >>> I don't use it for day-sailing off the trailer on a regular basis, it's >> more overhead to rig up and down than I usually want to spend on that. But >> I could - it's not particularly complicated, just takes some time & >> attention. The furler adds a bit to that, but then pays off big time on the >> water in variable wind conditions. >>> >>> I've only seen an M15 rig up & down a time or two, but it seems to take >> almost as long. >>> >>> I could imagine cruising solo on an M15 for a while. Not for long at all >> with two people. >>> >>> If I already had an M15, and the balance of use you describe, I'd >> probably stick with the M15. But if you were going to do significantly more >> cruising...especially not solo - it might be worth switching. >>> >>> Some folks here cruise with two on an M15 repeatedly, so they can speak >> to how that works for them. >>> >>> I'm 6' 3" tall so that is a factor. The M15 v-berth is actually a few >> inches longer than the M17. But there's no space for anything but lying >> down inside the cabin (for me anyhow). And I find the M15 cockpit a bit >> knees-to-chin also. I appreciate the (relative) spaciousness of both the >> cockpit and cabin on my M17. >>> >>> And, you can tow the M15 with most anything. You need at least one step >> up from "most anything" in HP and brakes to tow an M17. >>> >>> Hope that helps...if you have more specific questions feel free to ask. >>> >>> cheers, >>> John >>> >>> >>>> On 11/10/2018 11:25 AM, Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats wrote: >>>> Hi: >>>> I?ve been debating getting a bigger boat but I love my M15 for ease of >> stepping the mast, launching and sailing solo. The only thing I would like >> is a larger living space for cruising the San Juan Islands. So we?re >> talking about sailing solo in the M15 about 30 days at my home reservoir >> and then 7 days in the San Juans. Is it worth going to a larger boat for >> those seven days? >>>> And, is an M17 easy to handle solo? >>>> Thanks for the input. There?s always a debate among sailors about going >> to a larger boat. >>>> Good winds, >>>> Pete Winter Sky >>>> (Zimowsky) >>>> outdoors writer and photographer >>>> www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> >>>> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors >>>> "Be with Tahlequah" >>>> Talhequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer >> of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial >> issues to the world to help us save your Orca family. >>> >>> -- >>> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >>> -------------------------------------------- >>> - Eco-Living - >>> Whole Systems Design Services >>> People - Place - Learning - Integration >>> john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >>> http://eco-living.net >>> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >>> >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 18:13:48 -0800 (PST) > From: casioqv(a)usermail.com > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: 15M vs 17M > Message-ID: > <1739973547.245683.1541902428521.JavaMail.zimbra(a)usermail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > I think the M15 is faster to rig, especially solo. It usually takes me about 30 mins from arriving at the ramp to sailing away from the dock. I also like the large bed for two tall adults... I have done week long cruises with 2 adults in good weather with my M15 and found it very comfortable, but I never could do the same in my Catalina 22- because the bunks we all too small for me (6'2) to sleep well. However, I have never cruised or tried to sleep in an M17. > > Sincerely, > Tyler > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2018 4:15:23 PM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: 15M vs 17M > > Great info. Really appreciate you taking the time to answer my questions. My M15 keeps looking better and better. > Pete > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Nov 10, 2018, at 13:07, John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> wrote: >> >> I find my M17 easy enough to handle solo, in most ways that come readily to mind. >> >> It got even easier this past season (what little time I got in) with the addition of a reefing furler for the jib, and main halyard led to cockpit. >> >> In terms of sailing solo, it's just a big heavy sloop-rig dinghy really (that's a compliment Jerry :-) >> And pretty nimble for its size & weight I'd say. >> >> I don't use it for day-sailing off the trailer on a regular basis, it's more overhead to rig up and down than I usually want to spend on that. But I could - it's not particularly complicated, just takes some time & attention. The furler adds a bit to that, but then pays off big time on the water in variable wind conditions. >> >> I've only seen an M15 rig up & down a time or two, but it seems to take almost as long. >> >> I could imagine cruising solo on an M15 for a while. Not for long at all with two people. >> >> If I already had an M15, and the balance of use you describe, I'd probably stick with the M15. But if you were going to do significantly more cruising...especially not solo - it might be worth switching. >> >> Some folks here cruise with two on an M15 repeatedly, so they can speak to how that works for them. >> >> I'm 6' 3" tall so that is a factor. The M15 v-berth is actually a few inches longer than the M17. But there's no space for anything but lying down inside the cabin (for me anyhow). And I find the M15 cockpit a bit knees-to-chin also. I appreciate the (relative) spaciousness of both the cockpit and cabin on my M17. >> >> And, you can tow the M15 with most anything. You need at least one step up from "most anything" in HP and brakes to tow an M17. >> >> Hope that helps...if you have more specific questions feel free to ask. >> >> cheers, >> John >> >> >>> On 11/10/2018 11:25 AM, Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats wrote: >>> Hi: >>> I?ve been debating getting a bigger boat but I love my M15 for ease of stepping the mast, launching and sailing solo. The only thing I would like is a larger living space for cruising the San Juan Islands. So we?re talking about sailing solo in the M15 about 30 days at my home reservoir and then 7 days in the San Juans. Is it worth going to a larger boat for those seven days? >>> And, is an M17 easy to handle solo? >>> Thanks for the input. There?s always a debate among sailors about going to a larger boat. >>> Good winds, >>> Pete Winter Sky >>> (Zimowsky) >>> outdoors writer and photographer >>> www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> >>> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors >>> "Be with Tahlequah" >>> Talhequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family. >> >> -- >> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >> -------------------------------------------- >> - Eco-Living - >> Whole Systems Design Services >> People - Place - Learning - Integration >> john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >> http://eco-living.net >> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 18:26:51 -0800 > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > To: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz(a)mac.com>, For and about Montgomery > Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: 15M vs 17M > Message-ID: > <CAGjBOA6Fzev0LPMAjRHM03x=HUj+iusBgehuyPRPWvpfsdx2Mg(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Peter: > > I've owned and cruised on both the M15 and M17. > > M15 is easier to rig (as many have stated) and the vberth is much more > comfortable than the M17. Using the potty is also easier on the M15. > > M17 is more comfortable in cabin and more storage. > > My longest cruise on the M15 was 9 days. > > I spent 2.5 months on my M17. > > For shorter than a couple of weeks the M15 is hard to beat. M17 works > better for couples and when going for more that a couple of weeks. > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: M6'8" #650 > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > > On Sat, Nov 10, 2018, 11:26 AM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com wrote: > >> Hi: >> I?ve been debating getting a bigger boat but I love my M15 for ease of >> stepping the mast, launching and sailing solo. The only thing I would like >> is a larger living space for cruising the San Juan Islands. So we?re >> talking about sailing solo in the M15 about 30 days at my home reservoir >> and then 7 days in the San Juans. Is it worth going to a larger boat for >> those seven days? >> And, is an M17 easy to handle solo? >> Thanks for the input. There?s always a debate among sailors about going to >> a larger boat. >> Good winds, >> >> >> Pete Winter Sky >> (Zimowsky) >> >> outdoors writer and photographer >> www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> >> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors >> >> >> "Be with Tahlequah" >> Talhequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of >> 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues >> to the world to help us save your Orca family. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 21:15:19 -0700 > From: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz(a)mac.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: 15M vs 17M > Message-ID: <D196E1E4-DDF6-49C1-8818-A33A43E99B03(a)mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hi folks: > Great discussion on the M15 vs M17. I guess I have to look inside an M17. > Thanks, > > Pete Winter Sky > (Zimowsky) > > outdoors writer and photographer > www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> > Twitter: @zimosoutdoors > > > "Be with Tahlequah" > Talhequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family. > > > > > > >> On Nov 10, 2018, at 7:13 PM, casioqv(a)usermail.com wrote: >> >> I think the M15 is faster to rig, especially solo. It usually takes me about 30 mins from arriving at the ramp to sailing away from the dock. I also like the large bed for two tall adults... I have done week long cruises with 2 adults in good weather with my M15 and found it very comfortable, but I never could do the same in my Catalina 22- because the bunks we all too small for me (6'2) to sleep well. However, I have never cruised or tried to sleep in an M17. >> >> Sincerely, >> Tyler >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2018 4:15:23 PM >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: 15M vs 17M >> >> Great info. Really appreciate you taking the time to answer my questions. My M15 keeps looking better and better. >> Pete >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Nov 10, 2018, at 13:07, John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> wrote: >>> >>> I find my M17 easy enough to handle solo, in most ways that come readily to mind. >>> >>> It got even easier this past season (what little time I got in) with the addition of a reefing furler for the jib, and main halyard led to cockpit. >>> >>> In terms of sailing solo, it's just a big heavy sloop-rig dinghy really (that's a compliment Jerry :-) >>> And pretty nimble for its size & weight I'd say. >>> >>> I don't use it for day-sailing off the trailer on a regular basis, it's more overhead to rig up and down than I usually want to spend on that. But I could - it's not particularly complicated, just takes some time & attention. The furler adds a bit to that, but then pays off big time on the water in variable wind conditions. >>> >>> I've only seen an M15 rig up & down a time or two, but it seems to take almost as long. >>> >>> I could imagine cruising solo on an M15 for a while. Not for long at all with two people. >>> >>> If I already had an M15, and the balance of use you describe, I'd probably stick with the M15. But if you were going to do significantly more cruising...especially not solo - it might be worth switching. >>> >>> Some folks here cruise with two on an M15 repeatedly, so they can speak to how that works for them. >>> >>> I'm 6' 3" tall so that is a factor. The M15 v-berth is actually a few inches longer than the M17. But there's no space for anything but lying down inside the cabin (for me anyhow). And I find the M15 cockpit a bit knees-to-chin also. I appreciate the (relative) spaciousness of both the cockpit and cabin on my M17. >>> >>> And, you can tow the M15 with most anything. You need at least one step up from "most anything" in HP and brakes to tow an M17. >>> >>> Hope that helps...if you have more specific questions feel free to ask. >>> >>> cheers, >>> John >>> >>> >>>> On 11/10/2018 11:25 AM, Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats wrote: >>>> Hi: >>>> I?ve been debating getting a bigger boat but I love my M15 for ease of stepping the mast, launching and sailing solo. The only thing I would like is a larger living space for cruising the San Juan Islands. So we?re talking about sailing solo in the M15 about 30 days at my home reservoir and then 7 days in the San Juans. Is it worth going to a larger boat for those seven days? >>>> And, is an M17 easy to handle solo? >>>> Thanks for the input. There?s always a debate among sailors about going to a larger boat. >>>> Good winds, >>>> Pete Winter Sky >>>> (Zimowsky) >>>> outdoors writer and photographer >>>> www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> >>>> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors >>>> "Be with Tahlequah" >>>> Talhequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family. >>> >>> -- >>> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >>> -------------------------------------------- >>> - Eco-Living - >>> Whole Systems Design Services >>> People - Place - Learning - Integration >>> john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >>> http://eco-living.net >>> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >>> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 17:33:01 +0000 (UTC) > From: Gary Oberbeck <gilasailr(a)aol.com> > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: M_Boats: Educational videos at UK Sails Ireland - some good > ones! > Message-ID: <1079385221.511686.1541957581904(a)mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Enjoy!? ? ?http://www.uksailmakers.com/learning-and-safety-at-sea-videos/ ? ? > GO > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > ------------------------------ > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 189, Issue 4 > ************************************************

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Educational videos at UK Sails Ireland - some good ones!
by Gary Oberbeck 11 Nov '18

11 Nov '18

Enjoy! http://www.uksailmakers.com/learning-and-safety-at-sea-videos/ GO

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Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 189, Issue 2
by Jon Barber 08 Nov '18

08 Nov '18

Yes, upload your photos to the msog photo site. I, too had my Monty 17 painted. It made a huge difference. Jon Barber Monty 17 Ol'44 On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 11:01 AM <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com wrote: > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17 (Edward Cazier) > 2. Re: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17 (Dave Scobie) > 3. Re: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17 (Gary Oberbeck) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 08:45:12 -0600 > From: Edward Cazier <edward.cazier(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17 > Message-ID: > <CAN2YRjnajjst5r3AaS= > TGewFd1kOagYtKuJRGBLWAh3+9Sk00w(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Greetings all - I have a 1981 Montgomery 17 (Scooby Doo - sail #888) that > has been recently repainted (need to create a page and upload photos - she > looks great!). Unfortunately, the boat yard that did the work returned > several elements of the rigging in a chaotic state. I have been able to > fix all of the chaos, except for the traveler. Would someone send a photo > / direct me to a page on the Montgomery website with a photo of the correct > rigging for the traveler? > > Thanks, > > Ed > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 08:25:46 -0800 > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17 > Message-ID: > < > CAGjBOA4-2wGNUnS_LS7Hk62pER3ee6JckuxwFJFsKOjf0AVG6w(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Ed. > > The traveler is a 1/4" line with a block similar to a Harken #2649 (rope > traveler block). I don't have the length of the line, but it needs to be > set so when you pull the mainsheet tight the aft end of the boom is just at > the aft quarter (tighter makes the boat sail worse - I've found many M15s > where the main is oversheeted because of a too short mainsheet traveler). > A M15 owner can share the length. > > The tie an 8-knot in one end. Run line through one of the transom holes > (by the aft end of the combing); run line through the block, run line > through the second (opposite) transom hole and tie an 8-knot. > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: M6'8" #650 > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > > On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 6:46 AM Edward Cazier <edward.cazier(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > Greetings all - I have a 1981 Montgomery 17 (Scooby Doo - sail #888) that > > has been recently repainted (need to create a page and upload photos - > she > > looks great!). Unfortunately, the boat yard that did the work returned > > several elements of the rigging in a chaotic state. I have been able to > > fix all of the chaos, except for the traveler. Would someone send a > photo > > / direct me to a page on the Montgomery website with a photo of the > correct > > rigging for the traveler? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ed > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 18:52:15 +0000 (UTC) > From: Gary Oberbeck <gilasailr(a)aol.com> > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17 > Message-ID: <1848513726.1141426.1541616735358(a)mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Ed,?I think Dave is referring to a M-15 traveler? > If you have a M-17 - there are many types of travelers - can you post a > photo of the hardware you have ? We can get it figured from the photo. > Thanks, > Gary O.M-17 Sail# 354 - 'Tiny Purple Fishes'? (one of a few that has had > the traveler removed!) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Wed, Nov 7, 2018 10:52 am > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17 > > Ed. > > The traveler is a 1/4" line with a block similar to a Harken #2649 (rope > traveler block).? I don't have the length of the line, but it needs to be > set so when you pull the mainsheet tight the aft end of the boom is just at > the aft quarter (tighter makes the boat sail worse - I've found many M15s > where the main is oversheeted because of a too short mainsheet traveler). > A M15 owner can share the length. > > The tie an 8-knot in one end.? Run line through one of the transom holes > (by the aft end of the combing); run line through the block, run line > through the second (opposite) transom hole and tie an 8-knot. > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: M6'8" #650 > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > > On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 6:46 AM Edward Cazier <edward.cazier(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > Greetings all - I have a 1981 Montgomery 17 (Scooby Doo - sail #888) that > > has been recently repainted (need to create a page and upload photos - > she > > looks great!).? Unfortunately, the boat yard that did the work returned > > several elements of the rigging in a chaotic state.? I have been able to > > fix all of the chaos, except for the traveler.? Would someone send a > photo > > / direct me to a page on the Montgomery website with a photo of the > correct > > rigging for the traveler? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ed > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > ------------------------------ > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 189, Issue 2 > ************************************************ >

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