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Re: M_Boats: M23 has new owner
by bownez＠juno.com 26 Apr '17

26 Apr '17

Congrats on an early launch Henry! My M17 will be coming out of long term storage in June. She is going to need a good bath! Josh Bloom has his refurbished M23 on Mtka. He is slipping at the old Sailor's World. He has repainted the hull a dark blue. Look for him. We'll be in touch..... Bones ____________________________________________________________ Police Urge Americans to Carry This With Them at All Times The Observer http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/590093278769713277107st03vuc

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Re: M_Boats: M23 has new owner
by bownez＠juno.com 25 Apr '17

25 Apr '17

Hello Henry, We are overdue to get our M17's to meet. I wish to definitely plan on an outing this season. Are you still sailing Minnetonka? Bones ____________________________________________________________ Affordable Wireless Plans Set up is easy. Get online in minutes. Starting at only $14.95 per month! www.netzero.net?refcd=nzmem0216

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Re: M_Boats: M23
by bownez＠juno.com 25 Apr '17

25 Apr '17

Safe travels Gerry!! Take care of her, and she'll take care of you...... Bones ____________________________________________________________ 3 Life-Shortening Foods You Should Avoid 3 Harmful Foods http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/58ff4523880ad452365c2st03vuc

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Re: M_Boats: M23 has new owner
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 24 Apr '17

24 Apr '17

Sounds like a 'win - win' from here!! Congratulations to all involved! Have Fun, Go Sail 'em! GO In a message dated 4/24/2017 5:25:36 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, bownez(a)juno.com writes: Fellow Sailors and Monty nuts, I'm happy to report Gerry Wyatt is the new owner of my M23 #75 "Dhana ". He is stepping up from his M17 as I did years ago. Welcome Gerry to the elete M23 club! He is on his way back to Washington with her in tow. As for me, its back to my M17 "Bonita ". Think spring.... Michael "Bones" Bowden Mpls, Mn ____________________________________________________________ Affordable Wireless Plans Set up is easy. Get online in minutes. Starting at only $14.95 per month! www.netzero.net?refcd=nzmem0216

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Re: M_Boats: Stern light mounting location?
by Dan Farrell 24 Apr '17

24 Apr '17

Ah, good call! Starboard seems like a good idea ( why didn't I think of that?) And I bet much more appropriate then wood. A small chunk would probably be cheap, too. As for the requirements,just because I'm irrationally into colored lights, I'll beg to differ. As far as I can tell, per International and inland navigation rules, rule 22c, vessels less than 12 meters in length, the Stern light, along with masthead, towing, or all-round, is required to be visible to 2 nautical miles. Sidelights are 1 nmi. Granted, since m17s are less than 7 meters in length, they might arguably fall under the contingency in 25d, having ready at hand a light to show "in sufficient time to prevent collision", but it seems unfair to call it impractical to show the standard lights on an m17. Maybe I've misinterpreted this? I'm genuinely curious. Not that I think it would ever actually come up, of course. How would the coast guard even measure that? Dan Farrell M17 #301 John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> wrote: >The CG only cares that the light is visible as required for the boat >it's on; they don't care how it's mounted. For our little boats, 1 NM is >all that's required. > >I cut a wedge from a piece of 1" kingboard/starboard - in fact from the >scrap piece that Dave Scobie generously sent me many many months ago. > >More detail - I measured the diameter of the light base (same Perko you >have probably) and then cut a wedge from rectangular stock with that >diagonal measure on a table saw. >Then I took that and cut a round out of it using an appropriately large >hole saw (on a drill press, which made it easier to keep the cut >perpendicular to what will be the top face of the material). > >End result - round wedge that tapers from 1" to zero, diameter about >1/8" bigger than the light base. > >I just need to pull the light off and re-mount with the wedge under it. >I'll mount the wedge with small machine bolts thru the coaming. Light >will screw back onto top of wedge. > >The 1" thickness doesn't quite give enough angle to get the light >perfectly horizontal I don't think, but it's close enough. Some 5/4 teak >or mahogany would be enough to fully level it up probably. > >FWIW I'm re-mounting my front navigation light (Perko dome bow light) on >a round of the same material, replacing a cracked and weathered to death >piece of teak previously used to raise the light up off the deck a bit. >That was easier, I just cut a round from the same stock with the same >hole saw, but no need to cut the wedge/taper first. > >cheers, >John S. > >On 04/22/2017 10:31 AM, Dan Farrell wrote: >> The downward angle seems like a valid concern. That hardly seems coast guard approved ( though they primarily concern them selves with flare expiration and PFDs from what I've experienced). More importantly, hard to expect someone to see it from 2 nautical miles away, and that might be unsafe. >> >> I was thinking the same thing, but I'm having trouble thinking of how to form the wedge. A block of wood and some sandpaper is one option, but it seems like hard work to get the angle and curve right. I was thinking of trying to cut a mold from a yogurt cup and making an epoxy plug, thinking the cup would be easy to form. That seems like a lot of work too. Don't have any yogurt cups anyway; maybe I should just start sanding :). >> >> Did you think of any clever solutions? >> >> Dan Farrell >> M17 #301 >> >> John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> wrote: >> >>> My 74 M17 came with a Perko dome type stern light mounted on the >>> down-sloping part of the port side coaming near the stern. >>> >>> You can see a similar mounting in some of the pics of "transom rebuild" >>> for "Monita" on the MSOGPhoto site. >>> >>> Side visibility of the light is probably fine. >>> Visibility of the light would be reduced more directly astern because of >>> the downward slope of the mounting surface. >>> >>> I will soon be re-mounting mine on a wedge that will level it up (or >>> nearly so). It looks like that was done on "Monita" also, from one of >>> the pics further along in the transom rebuild...? >>> >>> I thought about switching to a transom mounted one, but given my >>> starting point just leveling it up with a wedge mount seems like most >>> return for least effort. The wiring's already there, the holes are >>> already there, and no issues with rudder and/or motor mount reducing >>> visible angles. >>> >>> cheers, >>> John S. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 04/22/2017 07:38 AM, Dan Farrell wrote: >>>> Hi folks, >>>> >>>> My m17 came with no Stern light, and I'd like to add one. I can't figure out where the best location would be - the aft end of the coming seems like it would be a great spot if it was flat. A vertical mount on the transom would be another option. >>>> >>>> I'm curious if any list readers have done this and where they put the light, and if they regret their decisions :). >>>> >>>> I'm >>>> >>>> Dan Farrell >>>> M17 #301 >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >>> -------------------------------------------- >>> - Eco-Living - >>> Whole Systems Design Services >>> People - Place - Learning - Integration >>> john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >>> http://eco-living.net >>> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >>> > >-- >John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >-------------------------------------------- >- Eco-Living - >Whole Systems Design Services >People - Place - Learning - Integration >john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >http://eco-living.net >http://sociocracyconsulting.com >

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M23 has new owner
by bownez＠juno.com 24 Apr '17

24 Apr '17

Fellow Sailors and Monty nuts, I'm happy to report Gerry Wyatt is the new owner of my M23 #75 "Dhana ". He is stepping up from his M17 as I did years ago. Welcome Gerry to the elete M23 club! He is on his way back to Washington with her in tow. As for me, its back to my M17 "Bonita ". Think spring.... Michael "Bones" Bowden Mpls, Mn ____________________________________________________________ Affordable Wireless Plans Set up is easy. Get online in minutes. Starting at only $14.95 per month! www.netzero.net?refcd=nzmem0216

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Monty 17 rigging specs
by Jon Barber 23 Apr '17

23 Apr '17

Can anyone tell me where to find the rigging specs for a Monty 17. I saw it online somewhere but lost track of it. Had several pages of info re all connection points for hardware, shroud lengths, jiffy reefing attachment points, etc. Anyone? Thanks Jon Barber Monty 17 #044

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Re: M_Boats: Stern light mounting location?
by Dan Farrell 23 Apr '17

23 Apr '17

Thanks Tom, As-is looks great with that light, but I have a dome type from perko and was hoping to use that. You have given me some ideas though with regards to mounting - is that HDPE? Might be easier to make a wedge out of that then wood. Dan Farrell M17 #301 Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> wrote: >Hi Dan, >They make a flush mount sternlight that will attach to the transom. But I >was concerned that with it set onto the transom it would not be visible >through the 180 degree quadrant due to the rudder, ladder and ob >obstructing the light for other boats to see. So I mounted mine on top of >the port quarter coaming. I have a picture of the setup in the MSOG >photosite under boat name "AS-IS". That gets it up high enough to be much >more visible. To do the wiring I added 6" access ports to the cockpit >coaming both port and starboard. These two are pictured in my photo layout >at the MSOG photosite. >I also changed out all my lights from the incandescent types to the LED >type which use much less electricity. >Fair winds, >Tom B. >ps, after doing all that, I think, all things considered I would have gone >with the transom light and risked being run down by some cigarette boat >piloted by a guy three sheets to the wind.

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Re: M_Boats: Stern light mounting location?
by Dan Farrell 23 Apr '17

23 Apr '17

The downward angle seems like a valid concern. That hardly seems coast guard approved ( though they primarily concern them selves with flare expiration and PFDs from what I've experienced). More importantly, hard to expect someone to see it from 2 nautical miles away, and that might be unsafe. I was thinking the same thing, but I'm having trouble thinking of how to form the wedge. A block of wood and some sandpaper is one option, but it seems like hard work to get the angle and curve right. I was thinking of trying to cut a mold from a yogurt cup and making an epoxy plug, thinking the cup would be easy to form. That seems like a lot of work too. Don't have any yogurt cups anyway; maybe I should just start sanding :). Did you think of any clever solutions? Dan Farrell M17 #301 John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> wrote: >My 74 M17 came with a Perko dome type stern light mounted on the >down-sloping part of the port side coaming near the stern. > >You can see a similar mounting in some of the pics of "transom rebuild" >for "Monita" on the MSOGPhoto site. > >Side visibility of the light is probably fine. >Visibility of the light would be reduced more directly astern because of >the downward slope of the mounting surface. > >I will soon be re-mounting mine on a wedge that will level it up (or >nearly so). It looks like that was done on "Monita" also, from one of >the pics further along in the transom rebuild...? > >I thought about switching to a transom mounted one, but given my >starting point just leveling it up with a wedge mount seems like most >return for least effort. The wiring's already there, the holes are >already there, and no issues with rudder and/or motor mount reducing >visible angles. > >cheers, >John S. > > > >On 04/22/2017 07:38 AM, Dan Farrell wrote: >> Hi folks, >> >> My m17 came with no Stern light, and I'd like to add one. I can't figure out where the best location would be - the aft end of the coming seems like it would be a great spot if it was flat. A vertical mount on the transom would be another option. >> >> I'm curious if any list readers have done this and where they put the light, and if they regret their decisions :). >> >> I'm >> >> Dan Farrell >> M17 #301 >> > >-- >John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >-------------------------------------------- >- Eco-Living - >Whole Systems Design Services >People - Place - Learning - Integration >john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >http://eco-living.net >http://sociocracyconsulting.com >

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Stern light mounting location?
by Dan Farrell 22 Apr '17

22 Apr '17

Hi folks, My m17 came with no Stern light, and I'd like to add one. I can't figure out where the best location would be - the aft end of the coming seems like it would be a great spot if it was flat. A vertical mount on the transom would be another option. I'm curious if any list readers have done this and where they put the light, and if they regret their decisions :). I'm Dan Farrell M17 #301

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