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Re: M_Boats: M-15 centerboard woes
by nebwest2＠aol.com 29 Aug '14

29 Aug '14

I'm gonna throw in some observations here that I don't claim to be gospel, just humble,opinion. If the trunk,is what's swelling (vs the board), thinning the board might be a never ending process till you can't do it anymore. Rust never sleeps. Once that process is underway , I think you're boned. If you thin that board ....eventually that trunk will swell more and pinch it again. If it was me (and it has been three times now on three boats)....it's time to bite the bullet and fix the keel. You have got to find out where the water intrusion is happening, remedy that, then get that wet rusted stuff out of there. Its not gonna dry on it's own no matter how many holes you put in it. I even tried pumping compressed air into my 23s keel for a week in single digit AZ humidity. When I finally opened it up it was till a sopping wet mess inside. If you get that stuff out of there, the trunk will come back into shape, or you can use wedges to force it back while reinstalling lead and resin . If the trunk/keel is swelling and not remedied, eventually you can end up with the worse case scenario like my 17 had....where both the trunk and outside of the keel both split wide open. Thinning the board will buy you time but it won't remedy the situation, and you'll end up needing a new board as well. Of course , the statement above is worth exactly what you paid for it! Hang in there...at least you are sailing a Monty, a boat well worth the effort to repair! :-) S Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

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Re: M_Boats: Race to Alaska in M15
by nebwest2＠aol.com 28 Aug '14

28 Aug '14

Well, it's a bit more,complicated than that for me Steven. I 100% agree with you...but here's the difference in this case. This race is a monumental effort mentally, physically, and financially to try and do. Yes, I would love to do "the trip itself", but if the trip was the only reason I was going, well I could have already tried it, or I could try it at a later date...and it would be at a much more relaxed pace. If I went "for the race", then yes, I'd be enjoying the trip but in a totally different way, and pushing pushing pushing ..to do my best. There for sure would be some unpleasantness associated with the physical demand of the race aspect, but testing yourself is what is all about so that's ok, to a point. I just have a hard time with entering a race that I am pretty sure I have no chance at even being competitive in, with the equipment I am able to enter with. If there were "classes" that'd change it up big-time for me. Otherwise....if I think if I was gonna make that trip...I'd want to do it much more comfortably and relaxed. I'm 98% sure I am 100% relatively certain about what I'm gonna do. :-) Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

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Re: M_Boats: Race to Alaska in M15
by nebwest2＠aol.com 28 Aug '14

28 Aug '14

Yeah, Gene would be an outstanding resource! I'm watching how this shapes up. As there are no classes and virtually no rules other than sail or human power only....I'm afraid that nothing I have access to sail would be competitive with some of the groups likely to get involved due to the $10k first prize. There is nothing for second. Right now I am thinking " if I am racing with no chance to win....then I'm, not really racing....I'm really there to experience the trip....and a MUCH slower pace than race pace would be the way to plan that trip. But....not really sure ...I keep flip flopping. If there was actuall a singlehander class and some sort of control on boat size.....like in the everglades challenge....I would be more likely to jump in I think. Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

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Re: M_Boats: Race to Alaska in M15
by nebwest2＠aol.com 26 Aug '14

26 Aug '14

I've been seriously looking at this race as well. Sounds like a hell of an adventure. From what I have researched so far, it sounds like the "human propulsion" aspect can be expected to come into play in a big way. 750 miles is a Long way. Even if you could average better than 4 knots, 24 hours a day ( which you never would even come close to),,,,it would take 7 plus days nonstop...lol. Holy smokes....I thought The Border Run was long at just 100. Or so miles .... This race will test anyone that tries it.....hard. I loaded the charts and currents.....lol...yeah....expect 5 to 6 knot tidal currents in many places. Whoa! More research needed..... Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

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Heave-to
by Nick and Pam Field 26 Aug '14

26 Aug '14

I'm in my second season of summer sailing my Montgomery 17 and have been trying to heave-to so I can reduce sail. I've followed what has worked in the past backing the jib with the rudder over so she heads into the wind but to no avail. My Monty wants to slide off the wind and slip sideways losing all kinds of ground Any pointers what am I doing wrong she really doesn't like her nose to the wind Nick from Maada in Halifax

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M15 #281 for sale
by Alex 25 Aug '14

25 Aug '14

I've enjoyed reading all the posts for the last few years, but truly, I just haven't had enough time in my busy life to use the boat enough. Thought I'd give you guys 1st shot before Craigslist. 1984 off-white w/brown stripe. Original sails in good shape plus genoa, newer running rigging, worn interior, missing potty, comes with an older 2-stroke 4 hp Johnson and original trailer. Ready to sail today! $4500 obo Located in Portland, OR Please PM me if interested. Alex AM7(a)q.com

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from: Nancy Lau
by Nancy Lau 24 Aug '14

24 Aug '14

Sup montgomery http://ba2.casd.sk/length.php?ypghcbqz2595kv nancylauprescott(a)gmail.com

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M-15 FOR SALE
by judy casino 24 Aug '14

24 Aug '14

Dear Group Members, I am reluctantly selling my beautiful M-15, Spirit. She is a 2007 model I purchased new. She has a 2007 Honda long-shaft, also purchased new. Boat, engine, sails (main and jib), and trailer are all in pristine, like-new condition. If anyone in the group is interested, I can be reached at jratesq(a)yahoo.com or 858-793-0379. I live in San Diego, California. Best, Ron Casino P.S. I also placed an ad on craiglist on 8-20-14 at 3:06 p.m. with photos.

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Cleaning and refinishing teak brightwork
by Daniel Rich 23 Aug '14

23 Aug '14

Montypals: My teak brightwork is looking rather sorry on my M15. I think it had some kind of cetol coating on it. In any event it is quite weathered. I would like to clean it up and finish it if possible. Doesn’t need to look showroom great, but some help here. So, what is the process? Do I chemical clean it first somehow? And then regarding sanding it, I assume I mask the areas off and hand sand somehow? What is the process there, and what kind of sand paper? Finally, when properly prepped, what would be a simple coating to paint on there? I have never done anything like this before. By the way, recent short blog post in Kestrel at my usual place. New sails though! http://danielsailingandcycling.wordpress.com/2014/08/20/sailing-in-my-favor… Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich(a)gmail.com

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Re: M_Boats: Race to Alaska in M15
by Mark Dvorscak 23 Aug '14

23 Aug '14

Sound reasoning Sean. I 2nd your motion (as if that means anything). I'd love to do that trip as a small group cruise, pushing it a little maybe but still enjoying the trip. For me, just getting there would be a win. Mark M23 & M15 Sent from my U.S. Cellular® smartphone "nebwest2(a)aol.com via montgomery_boats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Over the last few years I've done a 50 mile endurance run in my Paradox, two 100 mileor so coastal race runs in my M23, the approx 200 mile Texas 200 in the Paradox, and three 100-200 mile cruises in the San Jaun and Gulf Islands. I've looked at this trip quite a bit. "Scout", my Paradox, would definitely be a better choice for this trip and I am confident it is doable in her or my M17. But after giving it a couple days thought and talking with some sailors I really respect and who are experienced (everyone has opinions....lol) the question arose....what is the goal? If winning is the goal (and this race is setup so the race is OVER after the first vessel arrives and claims the $10,000 prize) then neither of these two boats seems to me to be the choice as neither can be very efficiently driven under human power. Yes I have yulohed and paddles the Paradox many miles but it's not easy and counter current would yield me immobile. Driving the Monty would be worse. IF the goal was "just making the trip", the adventure, and not the race.....well then I think I would lean towards at least taking a motor, if not using it....slowing down and enjoying the trip, rather doing it in what promises to be probably two weeks or more of hard core go go go. >I think the expedition paddle boats that are skillfully navigated by iron men, will be able to penetrate north even against some of the currents by finding eddies and staying right against shore. This would be hard to compete with. >So since I've tackled a 50, 100, and 200 miles trips...probably the best plan of action for me would be a more reasonable jump in distance to 300....rather than 750. Anyone following this small boat adventure sailing world knows the king of the longer one's is the Everglades Challenge, 300 miles. I think that's where I am going to concentrate my efforts. Maybe after doing that...and gaining that experience, if this 750 challenge is still going , I could try it then. One thing I have learned in all these events is this: you can read about it and recite book knowledge till you're blue in the face, but the real teacher is doing the prep work, pushing off the dock, getting out there and gutting it out, testing your boat, skills, mental state, and physical conditioning. All 4 need to be ready to go...a break down in any one ends the trip. Much of the stuff I "thought" I knew prior to participating in the longer runs, turned out to be stuff that sounds good, but in real practice you realize that they guy that came up with this advice must have never tried it. LOL. With that in mind...I think I could learn a ton from the Watertribe group just as I did from the Texas 200 gang. > Of course I ALWAYS reserve the right to change my mind...but for today....I'm thinking I'm gonna watch this first 750 closely and see what shakes out, and continue to build my small boat voyaging skills incrementally. If I was closer geographically I might entertain jumping in on the Victoria leg, but driving 3000 miles to sail 40 is too crazy...even for me. Or .....or at least ....that's today's plan. LOL >Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone > >

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