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Aft skeg for Montgomery 17
by Thomas Buzzi 26 Jul '14

26 Jul '14

After looking at the pics on Sean Mullilgan's site and seeing that horrendous crack in his aft skeg and noticing a hairline crack in mine just below where the skeg fairs into the hull, I would like to know just what is inside the skeg and why, short of slamming into the bottom, a hull would crack like that? Is it at all connected to the expanding ballast type situation in the centerboard housing? Any information about this would be most appreciated. Tom B, Mont 17 #258, 1977

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Montys sail the Cruiser Challenge....
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 26 Jul '14

26 Jul '14

To see this post w/pics...click this link to see it on the Trailersailor Montgomery Board.. http://forum.trailersailor.com/post.php?id=1387943 copy without pictures below: Over the last week I had a number of photos shared with me from Cruiser Challenge XV in Monterey. We were kinda disapointed to see that we were the only stock M17 that signed up for this year's event. The CC is great fun and I hope next year more stock monty 17 driviers will return to the event. It is a great gathering of friends and a fantastic time on the water and off. Congrats to Dan Phy and Dave Bacon for a first place finish in the small boat fleet aboard Dan's well traveled and beautiful "Six".....and to Paul Bear and Stan Susman aboard the highly modified M17 "Paintboy". They were moved into the big boat fleet due to "Paintboy's" incredible speed and track record, and still took home a 1st place. It was great fun getting ol #44 back on the water again. Big thanks to Bob at Montgomery Boats for helping me make it happen. You may remember that about 3 months ago, 44's keel looked like the photo on the bottom. I had just enough time to get her together, standing the rig for the first time the day before we left for Monterey, and Larry and I floated her/tuned her/sailed her for the first time on Monterey Bay Friday afternoon before the Sat race. She's was as stock as they come, even still sporting wire/rope halyards with no winches. She's still got a long way to go , but just getting her out sailing was a huge milestone in her recovery. Hopefully next year she'll be looking a little better. Of course I also gotta thank my bud and Co-skipper Larry, who drove all the way down from Washington to partake in the shenanigans. So...if you have an Mboat "stocker" and want to come have a great time at an absolutely fantastic and beautiful sailing venue in July....consider going to the Monterey Cruiser Challenge. It's a great time. A few pics of the fun.... (photos shared by Don Person and Neil Dorf...Thanks guys) (although she is hull #44, we had Larry's main from Corndog flying showing #200, along with two new headsails from Harry at Elliot/Pattison) http://forum.trailersailor.com/post.php?id=1387943

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junk rig on an M15
by Thomas Nixon 26 Jul '14

26 Jul '14

Has anyone tried a junk rig on a Montgomery 15? I have boat #191, and I am coming to sailing in my late sixties. Consequently I'd rather stay off the foredeck in difficult weather if I can. (My intended sailing grounds are San Francisco Bay and Tomales Bay.) After reading several books, notably Annie Hill's Voyaging on a Small Income and Hasler and McLeod's Practical Junk Rig, I'm convinced that a junk rig might extend my sailing life. And I think it would go nicely on an M15; but I'm wondering if anyone has experimented with it before and figured out mast placement and mounting etc. Thanks, Tom Nixon M15 #191

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Re: M_Boats: Now What Have I Gotten Myself Into? Major Transom Repair
by bownez＠juno.com 18 Jul '14

18 Jul '14

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Aviation Fuel
by David Grah 17 Jul '14

17 Jul '14

I ran out of gas in my 1963 Triumph TR4 and the airport when there flying my 1950 Cessna 170. I put some 100 low lead aviation fuel in the car to get home. It smelled like a plane and ran fine but by the time I got home the gasket on the fuel bowl had swelled, warped, and allowed the gas to leak out profusely. This suggests to me that aviation gas is not always harmless. David Grah Bishop California Montgomery 15 Serial 369 Sky Sent from my iPhone

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Outboard motor placement
by David Grah 15 Jul '14

15 Jul '14

Reading the discussion about motors prompts me to again share an experience I had last year at Lake Powell in my Montgomery 15 which uses a Honda 2 horsepower motor. It was a very windy day with gusts forecast in excess of 45 miles per hour. Seeing the spray blown high into the air makes me think the wind could have been as forecast. We were trying to work our way to weather and were motoring up the main channel of the lake. Waves had up to a mile of fetch so were a factor but were not huge. I had the motor clamped in straight ahead position and had the centerboard up and found that at full throttle I was unable to stay on course into the wind. I did not have enough rudder authority. So, we turned downwind and found a place to stay overnight until the wind died down. I wish I had thought to put the centerboard down because I think that could have helped the steering. I did try turning the motor some and that did help me steer but also put me at the very back of the boat where I was not otherwise useful. I am not sure exactly what to take away from this experience and I would not want a different motor for my Montgomery 15, but it is something I always think about when these discussions about motors come up. With many things, acceptable performance is not dictated by typical conditions but the worse ones that might be experienced. David Grah Bishop California Montgomery 15 Sky PS: My son and I are headed to Santa Cruz Island out of Santa Barbara next Wednesday for two nights if anyone is going to be in the area. Message: 3 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 18:55:24 -0500 From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Outboard motor placement Message-ID: <CA+TbpAVF8908s=rxtmV-tf__UQ7bLgNjGSyOagNU5xkn+8rQzg(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Thanks one and all for the quick feedback. I guess I will shop for a 4 hp ob to put in the cutout in the transom and keep it locked up otherwise. Fair winds, Tom B ------------------------------

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Fwd: Thomas Buzzi V-berth/deck joint
by Keith Diehl 13 Jul '14

13 Jul '14

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: V-berth/deck joint Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 15:01:39 -0500 From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Dave, Here is a picture of the situation in my v-berth. I don't have a closeup lens so I don't know if this will do any good. I looked for a cross section of the joint on a Msog site but there isn't one. Any advice here would be much appreciated. Tom B

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Deck repair
by Thomas Buzzi 13 Jul '14

13 Jul '14

After removing the water damaged balsa core from the underside of my forward deck I found that the balsa actually went beyond the inside surface of the v-berth walls. So now I have 1/4 inch gap between the underside of the foredeck and the top of the v-berth walls. The top of the v-berth hull liner has an inward turned flange about a half inch wide. Beneath that seems to be some sort of fairing material which fills in the otherwise sharp corner formed by the hull liner where it would meet the underside of the deck. It looks like I can butter up with thickened epoxy and slide some 1/4 core material into the area formerly filled in with balsa core outboard of the v-berth walls. Can I fiberglass/epoxy this to the 1/2 inch inward turned flange I found? I am trying to tie this all together for strength but am not sure how to proceed at this point. Anyone with experience doing this repair out there have any advice on this? Thanks, Tom B

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Outboard motor placement
by Thomas Buzzi 13 Jul '14

13 Jul '14

Thanks for the first person expereinnce on the Thames River in Conn. I know those conditions myself first hand and from what you describe of the loading of the M17 I feel MUCH better about settling on a 3.5 which I can buy locally for my M17. I had been concerned about getting home in choppy water with a headwind of 20knots which happens down here in Rockport, Tx. quite a bit but I think with a storm jib and the 3.5 I will be covered here as well as can be hoped for. Tom B, M17 #258

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Outboard motor placement
by Thomas Buzzi 13 Jul '14

13 Jul '14

After seeing the dilemma that Henry is facing I want to make double sure I don't inadvertently duplicate the conditions with my ob. Can the ob be left in the cutout in the transom while traveling down the road? Can it be left on an ob motor bracket that is properly through bolted on the transom? I bought a 6hp tohatsu ob for the boat but found I could not handle the 60 pound weight with my bad shoulders trying to lift it onto the ob motor bracket and it just fit in the transom cut out but would require all steering done with the rudder. I am looking for a smaller motor now. Thanks for any info forwarded. Tom B, Mont. 17 #258, 1978

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