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Got the centerboard down!
by Tyler Backman 17 Jun '14

17 Jun '14

I got the stuck centerboard on my M15 out with a puller (see photos) based on a design by Jim Sadler. The board was really stuck, and hammering down a rod from the top did nothing. Rusting seems to have drastically increased it's thickness. I wish I had tried this puller right from the beginning. Now which way do I hammer out the pivot pin? Does it matter? I heard once that it's tapered on one end, but I don't know which. Sincerely, Tyler '81 M15 #157 "Defiant"

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Fw: Re Pocket Yacht Palooza Re: Do I need new sails (stevetrapp)
by Klaas 16 Jun '14

16 Jun '14

----- Original Message ----- From: Klaas To: stevetrapp(a)q.com Sent: Monday, June 16, 2014 8:37 AM Subject: Re Pocket Yacht Palooza Re: Do I need new sails (stevetrapp) Hi Steve I wish I could go to the Townsend Palooza.But I have a art show up here that I'm involved in and can't get out of , this is the second year it's worked out this way . I have meet Marty Loken and Tom and Bob all of the Townsend Pocket yachters at the Montague Harbour meet at the begining of this month , great bunch of guys . I'm hopeing to make the Sucia Is meet the week before the Palooza Klaas M-15 # 321 Tadpole Message: 2 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 19:09:25 -0700 From: "stevetrapp" <stevetrapp(a)q.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <> Subject: M_Boats: Pocket Yacht Palooza Re: Do I need new sails Message-ID: <93AC2150E1C8434B9A5144A80B22E481@STEVEEW> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Klaas, Checked my British Columbia map and see that you're on the Strait of Georgia on the Vancouver side. There is an active M-boat community to your south, on Puget Sound. I suggest visiting the Pocket Yacht Palooza at Port Townsend on July 19 - 20. You could sail, or drive around, or take the Victoria Ferry across. There will be other M-boaters there with their boats, as well as vendors, probably including sail makers. I plan to drive, too far from the South end of Puget Sound to sail my M-15. Steve M-15 # 335

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Thanks
by Thomas Buzzi 16 Jun '14

16 Jun '14

For your time to reply to my Mastgate query. This club resource is a great way to vet items before purchasing. If I ever sell my M17 I will add to the list of qualities a "very active support group on the web". Fair winds, Tom B. M17 #258, 1978

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Thru-Hull drilling
by Ronald McNeil 16 Jun '14

16 Jun '14

Hi, I need to add another through hull fitting to my M17 for a new bilge pump hose exit. I need to drill a 1" hole for my 3/4" fitting. I have a 1" wood drill bit but I'm afraid it will not make a clean cut. I looked in Home Depot and seen a 1" bit similar to a bit that you would use to drill out a door handle but the teeth were not close together so again I think it will cause some chipping. Can anyone confirm my doubts or suggest a type of bit to use.. Thanks, Ron McNeil M17/Jackpot/#675

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Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails
by Klaas 16 Jun '14

16 Jun '14

Thanks to all that replied to my question about geting new sails . Someone asked where I sail and I'm living and sailing out of Richmond B.C. so I hope to find a local sailmaker . Thanks once again to all that answered KLaas ----- Original Message ----- From: <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 4:17 PM Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 136, Issue 6 > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Do I need new sails (jerry montgomery) > 2. Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails > (stevetrapp) > 3. Re: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails > (Thomas Buzzi) > 4. Re: Do I need new sails (Thomas Buzzi) > 5. Re: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails > (Rich Makela) > 6. Mast gates (Thomas Buzzi) > 7. Re: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails > (Thomas Buzzi) > 8. Re: Mast gates (Dave Scobie) > 9. Re: Mast gates (Thomas Buzzi) > 10. Re: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails > (Dave Scobie) > 11. Re: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails > (Dave Scobie) > 12. Re: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails > (Thomas Buzzi) > 13. Re: Do I need new sails (Daniel Rich) > 14. Re: Mast gates (Rick Davies) > 15. Re: Do I need new sails (Dave Scobie) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 11:27:47 -0700 > From: "jerry montgomery" <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails > Message-ID: <E9520C239F8148D8B9ED117C279EB144@jerryws10> > Content-Type: text/plain; format="flowed"; charset="windows-1252"; > reply-type="original" > > All the 15's that I made had the same rig. i can't speak for more recent > production. I've heard that masts are longer now, but I haven't measured > one. > > jerry > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daniel Rich" <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 9:29 AM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails > > > Yup. You need new sails. And sails for the M15 are quite reasonably > priced. > I got mine from JudyB at Hyde. She did a fantastic job. Measurements are > key, as all these older M boats can have some slight differences. New > sails > change the boat so much you won?t believe it. > > Which reminds me, Judy, I owe you some money and some sails! > > > > Daniel Rich > M15 #208 "Kestrel" > danielgrich(a)gmail.com > > > > On Jun 15, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Klaas <santaklaas(a)telus.net> wrote: > >> Hi I know this question has been asked before But can't recall the advise >> that was given. So here it is: I have a 1985 M15 for about 3 years and I >> just started noticing that the main hangs down about 4 inches at the >> back. >> Is this normal or are my 29 year old sails done for and I need new sails? >> Also where can I find out the sail dimensions for my 1985 M15 is there a >> web page somewhere ?? >> Thanks >> Klaas > > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > SPAMfighter has removed 11081 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > Do you have a slow PC? Try a Free scan > http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 11:28:55 -0700 > From: "stevetrapp" <stevetrapp(a)q.com> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new > sails > Message-ID: <176546BFFE574B578D72B66BC94EBCE6@STEVEEW> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; > reply-type=original > > I have been getting "Delivery Status Notification" > indicating that what I send to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > is not working, but I also get replies from M-boat folks like you, so I > guess it really is working. I do not understand the techy stuff involved. > I think if I get replies the techy stuff is doing something. Frankly I do > not trust a lot of techy stuff, which is among the reasons I like my M-15, > not much techy stuff to do with it or to go wrong. > Steve > M-15 # 335 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 9:47 AM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails > > > Daniel, > As long as you are considering new sails, look into having the main made > as > a loose footed one. The tack and clew will have to be reinforced more than > the usual and you will need to install a bit better mechanical advantage > on > the outhaul fittings as you will be using it to trim the draft on the main > but the boost in performance is said to be considerable. I am looking at > new sails for the M17 I have and am seriously considering going the loose > footed route. > Please reply to this email as I have concerns that my missives to this > website are not getting through to anybody. > Thanks, > Tom B, M17, 1978 > > > On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Yup. You need new sails. And sails for the M15 are quite reasonably >> priced. I got mine from JudyB at Hyde. She did a fantastic job. >> Measurements are key, as all these older M boats can have some slight >> differences. New sails change the boat so much you won?t believe it. >> >> Which reminds me, Judy, I owe you some money and some sails! >> >> >> >> Daniel Rich >> M15 #208 "Kestrel" >> danielgrich(a)gmail.com >> >> >> >> On Jun 15, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Klaas <santaklaas(a)telus.net> wrote: >> >> > Hi I know this question has been asked before But can't recall the >> advise that was given. So here it is: I have a 1985 M15 for about 3 years >> and I just started noticing that the main hangs down about 4 inches at >> the >> back. Is this normal or are my 29 year old sails done for and I need new >> sails? Also where can I find out the sail dimensions for my 1985 M15 is >> there a web page somewhere ?? >> > Thanks >> > Klaas >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 14:26:18 -0500 > From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new > sails > Message-ID: > <CA+TbpAWzhwg4xaBTTVHaHh2A3-LcCXQqzX7rFiHda3BTvToACw(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Thanks for the feedback Steve. Ditto on the "techy stuff". I also get the > xmissions trouble notification stuff. Very perturbing since this in one of > my favorite sites to kibitz on. > Tom B. very low tech M17 #258 > > > On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 1:28 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> wrote: > >> I have been getting "Delivery Status Notification" >> indicating that what I send to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >> is not working, but I also get replies from M-boat folks like you, so I >> guess it really is working. I do not understand the techy stuff >> involved. >> I think if I get replies the techy stuff is doing something. Frankly I >> do >> not trust a lot of techy stuff, which is among the reasons I like my >> M-15, >> not much techy stuff to do with it or to go wrong. >> Steve >> M-15 # 335 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Buzzi" >> <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> >> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman. >> xmission.com> >> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 9:47 AM >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails >> >> >> Daniel, >> As long as you are considering new sails, look into having the main made >> as >> a loose footed one. The tack and clew will have to be reinforced more >> than >> the usual and you will need to install a bit better mechanical advantage >> on >> the outhaul fittings as you will be using it to trim the draft on the >> main >> but the boost in performance is said to be considerable. I am looking at >> new sails for the M17 I have and am seriously considering going the loose >> footed route. >> Please reply to this email as I have concerns that my missives to this >> website are not getting through to anybody. >> Thanks, >> Tom B, M17, 1978 >> >> >> On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Yup. You need new sails. And sails for the M15 are quite reasonably >>> priced. I got mine from JudyB at Hyde. She did a fantastic job. >>> Measurements are key, as all these older M boats can have some slight >>> differences. New sails change the boat so much you won?t believe it. >>> >>> Which reminds me, Judy, I owe you some money and some sails! >>> >>> >>> >>> Daniel Rich >>> M15 #208 "Kestrel" >>> danielgrich(a)gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jun 15, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Klaas <santaklaas(a)telus.net> wrote: >>> >>> > Hi I know this question has been asked before But can't recall the >>> advise that was given. So here it is: I have a 1985 M15 for about 3 >>> years >>> and I just started noticing that the main hangs down about 4 inches at >>> the >>> back. Is this normal or are my 29 year old sails done for and I need new >>> sails? Also where can I find out the sail dimensions for my 1985 M15 is >>> there a web page somewhere ?? >>> > Thanks >>> > Klaas >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 14:43:43 -0500 > From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails > Message-ID: > <CA+TbpAVHZcVh=583xS+yCUnMrT5M3-atPfkHQQJkRgZ7O920Fg(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Daniel, > thanks for the performance report. > Tom B > > > On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> I have the new sails. They are loose footed, and that is the way to go. >> Much more control of the trim, and just looks pretty too. The Hyde sails >> are really well made, and have fittings on them that would work for a >> larger boat. Truly well done. I also have draft stripes on them to help >> me >> visualize shape. >> >> My message was a bit confusing because what happened when I ordered my >> sails is that the main fit perfectly, but the jib was too big. We just >> messed up on the detail needed for the measurements. JudyB was terrific, >> and remade the jib for me. I also got a 90 and a 128 percent jib. I still >> have to send her back the ones that don?t fit, and I got an extra sail so >> I >> want to pay her for that. >> >> Daniel >> On Jun 15, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > Daniel, >> > As long as you are considering new sails, look into having the main >> > made >> as >> > a loose footed one. The tack and clew will have to be reinforced more >> than >> > the usual and you will need to install a bit better mechanical >> > advantage >> on >> > the outhaul fittings as you will be using it to trim the draft on the >> main >> > but the boost in performance is said to be considerable. I am looking >> > at >> > new sails for the M17 I have and am seriously considering going the >> > loose >> > footed route. >> > Please reply to this email as I have concerns that my missives to this >> > website are not getting through to anybody. >> > Thanks, >> > Tom B, M17, 1978 >> > >> > >> > On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> >> Yup. You need new sails. And sails for the M15 are quite reasonably >> >> priced. I got mine from JudyB at Hyde. She did a fantastic job. >> >> Measurements are key, as all these older M boats can have some slight >> >> differences. New sails change the boat so much you won?t believe it. >> >> >> >> Which reminds me, Judy, I owe you some money and some sails! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Daniel Rich >> >> M15 #208 "Kestrel" >> >> danielgrich(a)gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 15, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Klaas <santaklaas(a)telus.net> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Hi I know this question has been asked before But can't recall the >> >> advise that was given. So here it is: I have a 1985 M15 for about 3 >> years >> >> and I just started noticing that the main hangs down about 4 inches at >> the >> >> back. Is this normal or are my 29 year old sails done for and I need >> >> new >> >> sails? Also where can I find out the sail dimensions for my 1985 M15 >> >> is >> >> there a web page somewhere ?? >> >>> Thanks >> >>> Klaas >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 15:29:06 -0500 > From: "Rich Makela" <richmak(a)makelaperformance.com> > To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new > sails > Message-ID: <003601cf88d8$7686c150$639443f0$(a)makelaperformance.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > I received a Delivery Status Notification for the message I sent just > after noon today. The Delivery Status Notification arrived a few minutes > after my message showed up on the forum. The message comes from > system-user(a)mms.mycricket.com . I had the same thing happen on June 4. > I've never seen this kind of thing before. A Google search revealed that > mms.mycrickiet.com may not even be a legitimate URL. > > Rich Makela > M-17 #233 - Harmony > > > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas > Buzzi > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 2:26 PM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails > > Thanks for the feedback Steve. Ditto on the "techy stuff". I also get the > xmissions trouble notification stuff. Very perturbing since this in one of > my favorite sites to kibitz on. > Tom B. very low tech M17 #258 > > > On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 1:28 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> wrote: > >> I have been getting "Delivery Status Notification" >> indicating that what I send to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >> is not working, but I also get replies from M-boat folks like you, so >> I guess it really is working. I do not understand the techy stuff >> involved. >> I think if I get replies the techy stuff is doing something. Frankly >> I do not trust a lot of techy stuff, which is among the reasons I like >> my M-15, not much techy stuff to do with it or to go wrong. >> Steve >> M-15 # 335 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Buzzi" >> <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> >> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman. >> xmission.com> >> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 9:47 AM >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails >> >> >> Daniel, >> As long as you are considering new sails, look into having the main >> made as a loose footed one. The tack and clew will have to be >> reinforced more than the usual and you will need to install a bit >> better mechanical advantage on the outhaul fittings as you will be >> using it to trim the draft on the main but the boost in performance is >> said to be considerable. I am looking at new sails for the M17 I have >> and am seriously considering going the loose footed route. >> Please reply to this email as I have concerns that my missives to this >> website are not getting through to anybody. >> Thanks, >> Tom B, M17, 1978 >> >> >> On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Yup. You need new sails. And sails for the M15 are quite reasonably >>> priced. I got mine from JudyB at Hyde. She did a fantastic job. >>> Measurements are key, as all these older M boats can have some slight >>> differences. New sails change the boat so much you won?t believe it. >>> >>> Which reminds me, Judy, I owe you some money and some sails! >>> >>> >>> >>> Daniel Rich >>> M15 #208 "Kestrel" >>> danielgrich(a)gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jun 15, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Klaas <santaklaas(a)telus.net> wrote: >>> >>> > Hi I know this question has been asked before But can't recall the >>> advise that was given. So here it is: I have a 1985 M15 for about 3 >>> years and I just started noticing that the main hangs down about 4 >>> inches at the back. Is this normal or are my 29 year old sails done >>> for and I need new sails? Also where can I find out the sail >>> dimensions for my 1985 M15 is there a web page somewhere ?? >>> > Thanks >>> > Klaas >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 15:32:56 -0500 > From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: M_Boats: Mast gates > Message-ID: > <CA+TbpAXJgUVtv3GUhbWn9W96GF0O1raKeQGY0WHq+BaHZWq=yQ(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > After getting the brochure about the Mastgate product line of products I > was surprised to find that the mastgate itself is held in place with just > shock cord. Has anybody installed one of these and found it to withstand > the various strains and pressures placed upon it such that it didn't dent > or pop out of place or malfunction in any other fashion? > Would like to hear about your experiences with this product. > Thanks, > Tom B > M17, #258 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 15:37:01 -0500 > From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new > sails > Message-ID: > <CA+TbpAUcjLj3D1DBsTwz4dAq6AnPAoVPGqdUs4fqrdPGqHMgAQ(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Rich, > I just went through the process of unsubscribing and resubscribing to > this > site to try to clear up this kind of problem. Annoying to say the least. > Do you think there is some sort of hacking or just plain mucking around > going on?? > I also just sent in a request to the members concerning the "Mastgate" > product being all it is claimed to be. Be interesting to see if that shows > up and how it goes. > Tom B > > > On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Rich Makela > <richmak(a)makelaperformance.com> > wrote: > >> I received a Delivery Status Notification for the message I sent just >> after noon today. The Delivery Status Notification arrived a few minutes >> after my message showed up on the forum. The message comes from >> system-user(a)mms.mycricket.com . I had the same thing happen on June 4. >> I've never seen this kind of thing before. A Google search revealed >> that >> mms.mycrickiet.com may not even be a legitimate URL. >> >> Rich Makela >> M-17 #233 - Harmony >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: montgomery_boats [mailto: >> montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi >> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 2:26 PM >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new >> sails >> >> Thanks for the feedback Steve. Ditto on the "techy stuff". I also get the >> xmissions trouble notification stuff. Very perturbing since this in one >> of >> my favorite sites to kibitz on. >> Tom B. very low tech M17 #258 >> >> >> On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 1:28 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> wrote: >> >> > I have been getting "Delivery Status Notification" >> > indicating that what I send to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >> > is not working, but I also get replies from M-boat folks like you, so >> > I guess it really is working. I do not understand the techy stuff >> involved. >> > I think if I get replies the techy stuff is doing something. Frankly >> > I do not trust a lot of techy stuff, which is among the reasons I like >> > my M-15, not much techy stuff to do with it or to go wrong. >> > Steve >> > M-15 # 335 >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Buzzi" >> > <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> >> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman. >> > xmission.com> >> > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 9:47 AM >> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails >> > >> > >> > Daniel, >> > As long as you are considering new sails, look into having the main >> > made as a loose footed one. The tack and clew will have to be >> > reinforced more than the usual and you will need to install a bit >> > better mechanical advantage on the outhaul fittings as you will be >> > using it to trim the draft on the main but the boost in performance is >> > said to be considerable. I am looking at new sails for the M17 I have >> > and am seriously considering going the loose footed route. >> > Please reply to this email as I have concerns that my missives to this >> > website are not getting through to anybody. >> > Thanks, >> > Tom B, M17, 1978 >> > >> > >> > On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> > >> > Yup. You need new sails. And sails for the M15 are quite reasonably >> >> priced. I got mine from JudyB at Hyde. She did a fantastic job. >> >> Measurements are key, as all these older M boats can have some slight >> >> differences. New sails change the boat so much you won?t believe it. >> >> >> >> Which reminds me, Judy, I owe you some money and some sails! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Daniel Rich >> >> M15 #208 "Kestrel" >> >> danielgrich(a)gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 15, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Klaas <santaklaas(a)telus.net> wrote: >> >> >> >> > Hi I know this question has been asked before But can't recall the >> >> advise that was given. So here it is: I have a 1985 M15 for about 3 >> >> years and I just started noticing that the main hangs down about 4 >> >> inches at the back. Is this normal or are my 29 year old sails done >> >> for and I need new sails? Also where can I find out the sail >> >> dimensions for my 1985 M15 is there a web page somewhere ?? >> >> > Thanks >> >> > Klaas >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 14:37:58 -0600 > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mast gates > Message-ID: > <CAGjBOA4Q218LcOFramzoPAuRirtL8wUq90toEzmzrdzqbAQVEQ(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I installed one on Sal's and Gail's m15 a couple of years ago when I built > them a new standing rig. It has worked just fine. > > I have also installed the mastgate on a half dozen sage 17's and all are > working fine. I'm installing a mastgate on a brand new sage 17 in the next > couple of weeks. > > Give Tom a call, or email, and he can describe the system in detail. Very > easy to install, and it works great. > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA > :: Former M15 owner > On Jun 15, 2014 2:33 PM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> After getting the brochure about the Mastgate product line of products I >> was surprised to find that the mastgate itself is held in place with just >> shock cord. Has anybody installed one of these and found it to withstand >> the various strains and pressures placed upon it such that it didn't dent >> or pop out of place or malfunction in any other fashion? >> Would like to hear about your experiences with this product. >> Thanks, >> Tom B >> M17, #258 >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 15:40:40 -0500 > From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mast gates > Message-ID: > <CA+TbpAUQmdbx9vS_VciSb0tPLKfJfS_T9VZ5gyiXMqXxwB=B_w(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Thanks, Dave, > Good news. Guess that goes on my "todo" list. > Tom B > > > On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> I installed one on Sal's and Gail's m15 a couple of years ago when I >> built >> them a new standing rig. It has worked just fine. >> >> I have also installed the mastgate on a half dozen sage 17's and all are >> working fine. I'm installing a mastgate on a brand new sage 17 in the >> next >> couple of weeks. >> >> Give Tom a call, or email, and he can describe the system in detail. Very >> easy to install, and it works great. >> >> :: Dave Scobie >> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA >> :: Former M15 owner >> On Jun 15, 2014 2:33 PM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > After getting the brochure about the Mastgate product line of products >> > I >> > was surprised to find that the mastgate itself is held in place with >> > just >> > shock cord. Has anybody installed one of these and found it to >> > withstand >> > the various strains and pressures placed upon it such that it didn't >> > dent >> > or pop out of place or malfunction in any other fashion? >> > Would like to hear about your experiences with this product. >> > Thanks, >> > Tom B >> > M17, #258 >> > >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 14:41:45 -0600 > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new > sails > Message-ID: > <CAGjBOA6AZxX6TknXEnBT85D=tWZcwPZNix3GkGxXuOpLJ0aMxw(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > This error message relates to problems with this older listproc software > and newer email provider protocols (such as yahoo.com, gmail.com, AOL.com) > are using. I had to give up using yahoo.com email and use Gmail. It has > worked .... mostly. > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA > :: Former M15 owner > On Jun 15, 2014 2:37 PM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Rich, >> I just went through the process of unsubscribing and resubscribing to >> this >> site to try to clear up this kind of problem. Annoying to say the least. >> Do you think there is some sort of hacking or just plain mucking around >> going on?? >> I also just sent in a request to the members concerning the "Mastgate" >> product being all it is claimed to be. Be interesting to see if that >> shows >> up and how it goes. >> Tom B >> >> >> On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Rich Makela < >> richmak(a)makelaperformance.com> >> wrote: >> >> > I received a Delivery Status Notification for the message I sent just >> > after noon today. The Delivery Status Notification arrived a few >> > minutes >> > after my message showed up on the forum. The message comes from >> > system-user(a)mms.mycricket.com . I had the same thing happen on June 4. >> > I've never seen this kind of thing before. A Google search revealed >> that >> > mms.mycrickiet.com may not even be a legitimate URL. >> > >> > Rich Makela >> > M-17 #233 - Harmony >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: montgomery_boats [mailto: >> > montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas >> > Buzzi >> > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 2:26 PM >> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new >> sails >> > >> > Thanks for the feedback Steve. Ditto on the "techy stuff". I also get >> > the >> > xmissions trouble notification stuff. Very perturbing since this in one >> of >> > my favorite sites to kibitz on. >> > Tom B. very low tech M17 #258 >> > >> > >> > On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 1:28 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> wrote: >> > >> > > I have been getting "Delivery Status Notification" >> > > indicating that what I send to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >> > > is not working, but I also get replies from M-boat folks like you, so >> > > I guess it really is working. I do not understand the techy stuff >> > involved. >> > > I think if I get replies the techy stuff is doing something. Frankly >> > > I do not trust a lot of techy stuff, which is among the reasons I >> > > like >> > > my M-15, not much techy stuff to do with it or to go wrong. >> > > Steve >> > > M-15 # 335 >> > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Buzzi" >> > > <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> >> > > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman. >> > > xmission.com> >> > > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 9:47 AM >> > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails >> > > >> > > >> > > Daniel, >> > > As long as you are considering new sails, look into having the main >> > > made as a loose footed one. The tack and clew will have to be >> > > reinforced more than the usual and you will need to install a bit >> > > better mechanical advantage on the outhaul fittings as you will be >> > > using it to trim the draft on the main but the boost in performance >> > > is >> > > said to be considerable. I am looking at new sails for the M17 I have >> > > and am seriously considering going the loose footed route. >> > > Please reply to this email as I have concerns that my missives to >> > > this >> > > website are not getting through to anybody. >> > > Thanks, >> > > Tom B, M17, 1978 >> > > >> > > >> > > On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > > Yup. You need new sails. And sails for the M15 are quite reasonably >> > >> priced. I got mine from JudyB at Hyde. She did a fantastic job. >> > >> Measurements are key, as all these older M boats can have some >> > >> slight >> > >> differences. New sails change the boat so much you won?t believe it. >> > >> >> > >> Which reminds me, Judy, I owe you some money and some sails! >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> Daniel Rich >> > >> M15 #208 "Kestrel" >> > >> danielgrich(a)gmail.com >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> On Jun 15, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Klaas <santaklaas(a)telus.net> wrote: >> > >> >> > >> > Hi I know this question has been asked before But can't recall the >> > >> advise that was given. So here it is: I have a 1985 M15 for about 3 >> > >> years and I just started noticing that the main hangs down about 4 >> > >> inches at the back. Is this normal or are my 29 year old sails done >> > >> for and I need new sails? Also where can I find out the sail >> > >> dimensions for my 1985 M15 is there a web page somewhere ?? >> > >> > Thanks >> > >> > Klaas >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 14:47:15 -0600 > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new > sails > Message-ID: > <CAGjBOA71SWmohrAbq89Hw5CFEfSO=Ez1ziYA-VdHGixMF_nv6g(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > And as an example, the email I sent just a bit ago about the mastgate was > listed as being 'unable to deliver' ... though it was delivered. > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA > :: Former M15 owner > On Jun 15, 2014 2:41 PM, "Dave Scobie" <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> This error message relates to problems with this older listproc software >> and newer email provider protocols (such as yahoo.com, gmail.com, >> AOL.com) are using. I had to give up using yahoo.com email and use Gmail. >> It has worked .... mostly. >> >> :: Dave Scobie >> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA >> :: Former M15 owner >> On Jun 15, 2014 2:37 PM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Rich, >>> I just went through the process of unsubscribing and resubscribing to >>> this >>> site to try to clear up this kind of problem. Annoying to say the >>> least. >>> Do you think there is some sort of hacking or just plain mucking around >>> going on?? >>> I also just sent in a request to the members concerning the "Mastgate" >>> product being all it is claimed to be. Be interesting to see if that >>> shows >>> up and how it goes. >>> Tom B >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Rich Makela < >>> richmak(a)makelaperformance.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> > I received a Delivery Status Notification for the message I sent just >>> > after noon today. The Delivery Status Notification arrived a few >>> minutes >>> > after my message showed up on the forum. The message comes from >>> > system-user(a)mms.mycricket.com . I had the same thing happen on June >>> > 4. >>> > I've never seen this kind of thing before. A Google search revealed >>> that >>> > mms.mycrickiet.com may not even be a legitimate URL. >>> > >>> > Rich Makela >>> > M-17 #233 - Harmony >>> > >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: montgomery_boats [mailto: >>> > montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas >>> Buzzi >>> > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 2:26 PM >>> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >>> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new >>> sails >>> > >>> > Thanks for the feedback Steve. Ditto on the "techy stuff". I also get >>> the >>> > xmissions trouble notification stuff. Very perturbing since this in >>> > one >>> of >>> > my favorite sites to kibitz on. >>> > Tom B. very low tech M17 #258 >>> > >>> > >>> > On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 1:28 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> wrote: >>> > >>> > > I have been getting "Delivery Status Notification" >>> > > indicating that what I send to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >>> > > is not working, but I also get replies from M-boat folks like you, >>> > > so >>> > > I guess it really is working. I do not understand the techy stuff >>> > involved. >>> > > I think if I get replies the techy stuff is doing something. >>> > > Frankly >>> > > I do not trust a lot of techy stuff, which is among the reasons I >>> > > like >>> > > my M-15, not much techy stuff to do with it or to go wrong. >>> > > Steve >>> > > M-15 # 335 >>> > > >>> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Buzzi" >>> > > <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> >>> > > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman. >>> > > xmission.com> >>> > > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 9:47 AM >>> > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Daniel, >>> > > As long as you are considering new sails, look into having the main >>> > > made as a loose footed one. The tack and clew will have to be >>> > > reinforced more than the usual and you will need to install a bit >>> > > better mechanical advantage on the outhaul fittings as you will be >>> > > using it to trim the draft on the main but the boost in performance >>> > > is >>> > > said to be considerable. I am looking at new sails for the M17 I >>> > > have >>> > > and am seriously considering going the loose footed route. >>> > > Please reply to this email as I have concerns that my missives to >>> > > this >>> > > website are not getting through to anybody. >>> > > Thanks, >>> > > Tom B, M17, 1978 >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Daniel Rich >>> > > <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> >>> > > wrote: >>> > > >>> > > Yup. You need new sails. And sails for the M15 are quite reasonably >>> > >> priced. I got mine from JudyB at Hyde. She did a fantastic job. >>> > >> Measurements are key, as all these older M boats can have some >>> > >> slight >>> > >> differences. New sails change the boat so much you won?t believe >>> > >> it. >>> > >> >>> > >> Which reminds me, Judy, I owe you some money and some sails! >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> Daniel Rich >>> > >> M15 #208 "Kestrel" >>> > >> danielgrich(a)gmail.com >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> On Jun 15, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Klaas <santaklaas(a)telus.net> wrote: >>> > >> >>> > >> > Hi I know this question has been asked before But can't recall >>> > >> > the >>> > >> advise that was given. So here it is: I have a 1985 M15 for about 3 >>> > >> years and I just started noticing that the main hangs down about 4 >>> > >> inches at the back. Is this normal or are my 29 year old sails done >>> > >> for and I need new sails? Also where can I find out the sail >>> > >> dimensions for my 1985 M15 is there a web page somewhere ?? >>> > >> > Thanks >>> > >> > Klaas >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 16:06:23 -0500 > From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new > sails > Message-ID: > <CA+TbpAX3pO8Vm0K0Snjsj7kVOhaLvq_qU9xO5tTEKtUEiikXWg(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Yes, Dave, I got that message. Fun. > Tom B > > > On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 3:47 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> And as an example, the email I sent just a bit ago about the mastgate was >> listed as being 'unable to deliver' ... though it was delivered. >> >> :: Dave Scobie >> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA >> :: Former M15 owner >> On Jun 15, 2014 2:41 PM, "Dave Scobie" <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > This error message relates to problems with this older listproc >> > software >> > and newer email provider protocols (such as yahoo.com, gmail.com, >> > AOL.com) are using. I had to give up using yahoo.com email and use >> Gmail. >> > It has worked .... mostly. >> > >> > :: Dave Scobie >> > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA >> > :: Former M15 owner >> > On Jun 15, 2014 2:37 PM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> Rich, >> >> I just went through the process of unsubscribing and resubscribing to >> >> this >> >> site to try to clear up this kind of problem. Annoying to say the >> least. >> >> Do you think there is some sort of hacking or just plain mucking >> >> around >> >> going on?? >> >> I also just sent in a request to the members concerning the "Mastgate" >> >> product being all it is claimed to be. Be interesting to see if that >> shows >> >> up and how it goes. >> >> Tom B >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Rich Makela < >> >> richmak(a)makelaperformance.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > I received a Delivery Status Notification for the message I sent >> >> > just >> >> > after noon today. The Delivery Status Notification arrived a few >> >> minutes >> >> > after my message showed up on the forum. The message comes from >> >> > system-user(a)mms.mycricket.com . I had the same thing happen on June >> 4. >> >> > I've never seen this kind of thing before. A Google search >> >> > revealed >> >> that >> >> > mms.mycrickiet.com may not even be a legitimate URL. >> >> > >> >> > Rich Makela >> >> > M-17 #233 - Harmony >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> >> > From: montgomery_boats [mailto: >> >> > montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas >> >> Buzzi >> >> > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 2:26 PM >> >> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >> >> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new >> >> sails >> >> > >> >> > Thanks for the feedback Steve. Ditto on the "techy stuff". I also >> >> > get >> >> the >> >> > xmissions trouble notification stuff. Very perturbing since this in >> one >> >> of >> >> > my favorite sites to kibitz on. >> >> > Tom B. very low tech M17 #258 >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 1:28 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> >> >> > wrote: >> >> > >> >> > > I have been getting "Delivery Status Notification" >> >> > > indicating that what I send to >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >> >> > > is not working, but I also get replies from M-boat folks like you, >> so >> >> > > I guess it really is working. I do not understand the techy stuff >> >> > involved. >> >> > > I think if I get replies the techy stuff is doing something. >> Frankly >> >> > > I do not trust a lot of techy stuff, which is among the reasons I >> like >> >> > > my M-15, not much techy stuff to do with it or to go wrong. >> >> > > Steve >> >> > > M-15 # 335 >> >> > > >> >> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Buzzi" >> >> > > <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> >> >> > > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" >> >> > > <montgomery_boats@mailman. >> >> > > xmission.com> >> >> > > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 9:47 AM >> >> > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > Daniel, >> >> > > As long as you are considering new sails, look into having the >> >> > > main >> >> > > made as a loose footed one. The tack and clew will have to be >> >> > > reinforced more than the usual and you will need to install a bit >> >> > > better mechanical advantage on the outhaul fittings as you will be >> >> > > using it to trim the draft on the main but the boost in >> >> > > performance >> is >> >> > > said to be considerable. I am looking at new sails for the M17 I >> have >> >> > > and am seriously considering going the loose footed route. >> >> > > Please reply to this email as I have concerns that my missives to >> this >> >> > > website are not getting through to anybody. >> >> > > Thanks, >> >> > > Tom B, M17, 1978 >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Daniel Rich < >> danielgrich(a)gmail.com> >> >> > > wrote: >> >> > > >> >> > > Yup. You need new sails. And sails for the M15 are quite >> >> > > reasonably >> >> > >> priced. I got mine from JudyB at Hyde. She did a fantastic job. >> >> > >> Measurements are key, as all these older M boats can have some >> slight >> >> > >> differences. New sails change the boat so much you won?t believe >> it. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> Which reminds me, Judy, I owe you some money and some sails! >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> Daniel Rich >> >> > >> M15 #208 "Kestrel" >> >> > >> danielgrich(a)gmail.com >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> On Jun 15, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Klaas <santaklaas(a)telus.net> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > Hi I know this question has been asked before But can't recall >> the >> >> > >> advise that was given. So here it is: I have a 1985 M15 for about >> >> > >> 3 >> >> > >> years and I just started noticing that the main hangs down about >> >> > >> 4 >> >> > >> inches at the back. Is this normal or are my 29 year old sails >> >> > >> done >> >> > >> for and I need new sails? Also where can I find out the sail >> >> > >> dimensions for my 1985 M15 is there a web page somewhere ?? >> >> > >> > Thanks >> >> > >> > Klaas >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 14:38:16 -0700 > From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails > Message-ID: <-7787852396803548498@unknownmsgid> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Interesting. My 1981 is a stock boat with 3 owners including me. Judy > got the sail plans from you, but the jib was 6 inches too long! > > Daniel > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 15, 2014, at 11:27 AM, jerry montgomery >> <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> wrote: >> >> All the 15's that I made had the same rig. i can't speak for more recent >> production. I've heard that masts are longer now, but I haven't measured >> one. >> >> jerry >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Daniel Rich" <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> >> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" >> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 9:29 AM >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails >> >> >> Yup. You need new sails. And sails for the M15 are quite reasonably >> priced. >> I got mine from JudyB at Hyde. She did a fantastic job. Measurements are >> key, as all these older M boats can have some slight differences. New >> sails >> change the boat so much you won?t believe it. >> >> Which reminds me, Judy, I owe you some money and some sails! >> >> >> >> Daniel Rich >> M15 #208 "Kestrel" >> danielgrich(a)gmail.com >> >> >> >>> On Jun 15, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Klaas <santaklaas(a)telus.net> wrote: >>> >>> Hi I know this question has been asked before But can't recall the >>> advise >>> that was given. So here it is: I have a 1985 M15 for about 3 years and I >>> just started noticing that the main hangs down about 4 inches at the >>> back. >>> Is this normal or are my 29 year old sails done for and I need new >>> sails? >>> Also where can I find out the sail dimensions for my 1985 M15 is there a >>> web page somewhere ?? >>> Thanks >>> Klaas >> >> >> >> -- >> I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. >> SPAMfighter has removed 11081 of my spam emails to date. >> Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len >> >> Do you have a slow PC? Try a Free scan >> http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 17:57:07 -0400 > From: Rick Davies <jdavies104(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mast gates > Message-ID: > <CA+0OvVjppPn+nVB5xcZ9-tDbnsa28TEdZ_t-qi4ecstap2-FOQ(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Tom, > > I've had one installed for a couple of seasons and it works great. The > shock cord did lose some of it's zing after a while and I had to tighten > it > up, but it's been fine since. I was dubious myself at first, and do carry > a spare bit of cord just in case, but it's held up well, and it sure beats > futzing with a sail stop, and it lets me keep the sail on the boom with a > cover. The buttons that cover the knots in the cord, however, don't stay > on, so I just don't use them. > > Good luck, > > Rick > M17 #633 > Lynne L > > On Sunday, June 15, 2014, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> After getting the brochure about the Mastgate product line of products I >> was surprised to find that the mastgate itself is held in place with just >> shock cord. Has anybody installed one of these and found it to withstand >> the various strains and pressures placed upon it such that it didn't dent >> or pop out of place or malfunction in any other fashion? >> Would like to hear about your experiences with this product. >> Thanks, >> Tom B >> M17, #258 >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 17:16:59 -0600 > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails > Message-ID: > <CAGjBOA502LzidiwL1FMX3-Jow9PWfC15mr39YsSXwXvjiqkktg(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Klaas, the likely cause for your clew is lower than the tack is the luff > bolt rope has shrunk. original sails to a Jerry built boat ... any M15 > built by Jerry ... are in need of replacement. > > another sailmaker is Harry at Elliott/Pattison Sailmakers - > > www.ep*sails*.com > > > Harry is the OEM loft for the current Mboats. > > be sure to measure your boat before ordering sails ... there are > variations. some of these could be caused by prior owner's. i've built > new standing rigs for four M15s. two different measurements for four > different boats. all boats built by Jerry. > > a sail cleaning/conditioning service will not fix a blown out sail. such > a > service is good for cleaning a in good condition sail, say one less than > 10 > or so years old. no amount of conditioning can 'save' a 20+ year old > sail. > > order a new main with a loose foot. with improved outhaul hardware > attached to the boom much MUCH more sail control. > > besides a loose foot i recommend the main have two reef points. the > working jib, about 128%, is a good working headsail. with a double reefed > tucked in and the working jib (128%) the boat is good to a bit over 20 > kts. > > new sails are like 'turbo charging' your boat. she will sail faster, > closer to the wind, and heel less. > > > -- > :: Dave Scobie > :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com > > >>> On Jun 15, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Klaas <santaklaas(a)telus.net> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi I know this question has been asked before But can't recall the >> advise >> >> that was given. So here it is: I have a 1985 M15 for about 3 years and >> >> I >> >> just started noticing that the main hangs down about 4 inches at the >> back. >> >> Is this normal or are my 29 year old sails done for and I need new >> sails? >> >> Also where can I find out the sail dimensions for my 1985 M15 is there >> >> a >> >> web page somewhere ?? >> >> Thanks >> >> Klaas >> > >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > ------------------------------ > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 136, Issue 6 > ************************************************

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Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails
by Daniel Rich 16 Jun '14

16 Jun '14

Interesting. My 1981 is a stock boat with 3 owners including me. Judy got the sail plans from you, but the jib was 6 inches too long! Daniel Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 15, 2014, at 11:27 AM, jerry montgomery <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> wrote: > > All the 15's that I made had the same rig. i can't speak for more recent > production. I've heard that masts are longer now, but I haven't measured > one. > > jerry > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daniel Rich" <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 9:29 AM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails > > > Yup. You need new sails. And sails for the M15 are quite reasonably priced. > I got mine from JudyB at Hyde. She did a fantastic job. Measurements are > key, as all these older M boats can have some slight differences. New sails > change the boat so much you won’t believe it. > > Which reminds me, Judy, I owe you some money and some sails! > > > > Daniel Rich > M15 #208 "Kestrel" > danielgrich(a)gmail.com > > > >> On Jun 15, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Klaas <santaklaas(a)telus.net> wrote: >> >> Hi I know this question has been asked before But can't recall the advise >> that was given. So here it is: I have a 1985 M15 for about 3 years and I >> just started noticing that the main hangs down about 4 inches at the back. >> Is this normal or are my 29 year old sails done for and I need new sails? >> Also where can I find out the sail dimensions for my 1985 M15 is there a >> web page somewhere ?? >> Thanks >> Klaas > > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > SPAMfighter has removed 11081 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > Do you have a slow PC? Try a Free scan http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen > > >

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Looking for a Montgomery 15
by Patricia Weart 15 Jun '14

15 Jun '14

Hi all! I am a newbie to sailing and this group but an oldie on the water (mostly canoes, kayak). I have been interested in sailing for a long time and went to sailing school last year. Think I need a refresher course :) I am looking for a Montgomery 15, somewhat late model (I want the boat to outlast me). Condition matters most but I don't really want an older boat. I seek a well cared for boat that has only been sailed in fresh water. Safety is very important to me, such as the bearings on the trailer being maintained regularly when the trailer is used. I am petite and don't have much upper body strength. Singlehanded stepping the mast easily and singlehanded sailing the boat is a priority. My budget is modest because I haven't really sailed much, so don't want to invest a lot in a boat because I am a beginner. However, I can finally push aside some of the busyness of life in favor of the water. Does anyone out there have a Montgomery 15 for sale or can give me a lead I can follow to find one? I live in upstate NY near Lake Ontario. I will travel for the right boat. BTW, any opinions on the West Wight Potter 15? Bob Eeg scared me with some info he sent about their turtling because of little ballast. So many people own them and love them. The Potter is one of the few boats that I'm also interested in. However, Montgomery seems to trump Potter. Thoughts? Thanks much. Pat

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Mast gates
by Thomas Buzzi 15 Jun '14

15 Jun '14

After getting the brochure about the Mastgate product line of products I was surprised to find that the mastgate itself is held in place with just shock cord. Has anybody installed one of these and found it to withstand the various strains and pressures placed upon it such that it didn't dent or pop out of place or malfunction in any other fashion? Would like to hear about your experiences with this product. Thanks, Tom B M17, #258

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Re: M_Boats: More restoration work on the M-23
by SALGLESSER＠aol.com 15 Jun '14

15 Jun '14

Nicely done. sal In a message dated 6/14/2014 10:47:20 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, todd(a)btbuilders.net writes: Looking good Robbin! Todd Bradley M-23 #86 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Robbin Roddewig Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2014 8:43 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: More restoration work on the M-23 Hi M-boaters, I have the new compression post in place leading to the keel of the boat. And now the deck rebuild is done as well. Solid laminate under the tabernacle that has a custom Stainless plate (thank you emachineshop.com) the spreads the loads evenly to the three sided "post" that leads to the epoxied white oak pad that is resting on the keel. The whole thing is way over engineered but it really did not take too much effort to make sure this will never, ever again be an issue. I am prepping to roll Kiwi grip tomorrow if all goes well. The practice run using the piece of deck I cut out went very well! Pictures of all this at https://picasaweb.google.com/110938325409185510143/M23# May be sailing again on my boat by July! Cheers Robbin

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Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 136, Issue 4
by Keith 13 Jun '14

13 Jun '14

Unsubscribe your old address and re-subscribe with your new at https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: david_hill(a)idg.com Date:06/13/2014 11:03 AM (GMT-05:00) To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 136, Issue 4 How do I change my email address to continue receiving these messages? Thanks, David

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