January 2014 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Basic Questions from an M17 Newbie
by Henry Rodriguez 29 Jan '14

29 Jan '14

1) For you performance oriented sailors, what is the best way to get luff tension in a blow, assuming a multi-part tackle or cascade on each: do you use a downhaul on the sliding gooseneck or Cunningham tackle on the sail? Both? I don't see a point in using a winch for halyard tension on a small boat; a winch takes two hands, a tackle only one. Does anyone use a fixed gooseneck? 2) At some point, if the money gods smile on me, I would like to replace the sails. Tanbark, of course, to match Chiquita and two of my dinghies! ;-) It would be nice to have a headsail for every wind condition but, considering that money IS an object, what headsails would you consider most important? I know this depends on the type of sailing but I like to sail in all conditions from light to heavy. I prefer heavy air. I have a couple of storm jibs of different sizes that should work on the M17. I don't race (yet) so no Mylar or tape drive sails for me. But I do not like to go slower than I have to. What is the best all around, general use jib? 110% ? 135% ? And what would you recommend for a light air sail: a 150% genoa or a 150% or larger nylon drifter? As for spinnakers, if and when I can afford one it will probably be an asymmetrical. 3) Mainsail: loose foot, shelf foot, or standard? I plan on either a 4:1 or 6:1 outhaul, preferably internal. If not a loose foot, bolt rope in the boom or slugs? -- Henry https://picasaweb.google.com/heinzir

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Re: M_Boats: Mast Raising System
by Rich Makela 28 Jan '14

28 Jan '14

Rick (and Bones), When I refer to the mainsheet I mean the whole assembly, including the blocks. With the bottom rounded the mast goes up easily, and I don't need to use a winch. As far as I know there is nothing special about the whisker pole. I'll take photos when we're done with winter. That may be a while - it's 15 below zero at the moment. Rich -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rick Davies Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 8:34 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: subject ? 1979 M17--She Will Be Mine Thanks, Rich. That seems like a pretty simple setup. Do you run the mainsheet through a block on the bow? And do you need a winch and crank to pull on the mainsheet? Seems like it must take a lot of tension to get the mast started up. Would appreciate some pix when the weather warms up (if it ever does this year). Rick M17 #633 Lynne L On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 11:50 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> wrote: > You guys have long concluded the discussion about the recently > bought > M-17 and moved on to the question of raising the mast. Why not change > the subject line to the subject you're actually discussing? Would be > easier for some of us to follow. > Steve > M-15 # 335 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rich Makela" <richmak(a)makelaperformance.com> > To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 8:32 PM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: 1979 M17--She Will Be Mine > > > >A few photos would be the best solution, but I'm in Minnesota and the > >boat is in a barn for the winter. I'll do my best to describe my setup. > > > > First, I devised my system to work either on the trailer or on the > water. I > > fasten one end of the whisker pole to a spinnaker pole ring at the > bottom of > > the mast. I use the main sheet, with the bottom end attached where > > the > jib > > tack normally attaches, to provide the mechanical advantage. The > > other > end > > of the main sheet attaches to the outer end of the whisker pole, > > along > with > > the jib halyard leading from the masthead. I run lines from the > > outer > end > > of the whisker pole to holes in the toe rails to provide > > side-to-side support to keep the whisker pole centered. I would > > have to wait until spring to report the exact position of the > > attachment to the toe rails, > but > > it is a foot or so aft of the base of the mast. The position must > > be > such > > as to maintain reasonably constant tension throughout the raising > process. > > > > I pull on the main sheet to raise the mast. I've rounded off the > > aft portion of the bottom of the mast so that it rolls easily as the > > mast > rises > > from horizontal to vertical. Depending on the length of your main > sheet, it > > may be necessary at the end to crank down on the jib halyard to get > > the > mast > > all the way to vertical. I need to apply enough tension at the end > > to enable me to connect the forestay. I leave the backstay alone to > preserve > > the fore-and-aft position of the mast. > > > > I would be happy to take pictures in May, but this is the best can > > do at > the > > moment. > > > > Rich Makela > > M-17 #233 - Harmony > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com > > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of > > Rick Davies > > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 5:56 AM > > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: 1979 M17--She Will Be Mine > > > > Rich, > > > > I'm reaching the age where I could use some help raising the mast. > > Coud > you > > give some more details of your setup? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Rick > > M17 #633 > > Lynne L > > > > On Sunday, January 26, 2014, Rich Makela > > <richmak(a)makelaperformance.com> > > wrote: > > > >> Gilbert, > >> > >> On my 1977 M-17 I use a whisker pole as part of the mast raising system. > >> It > >> attaches to a spinnaker pole ring at the bottom of the mast > >> installed specifically for that purpose. > >> > >> Rich Makela > >> M-17 #233 - Harmony > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;> > >> [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com > >> <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Gilbert Landin > >> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 6:09 PM > >> To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: 1979 M17--She Will Be Mine > >> > >> Henry, I noticed a gin pole for raising the mast, where does the > >> foot of the pole rest? > >> > >> Gilbert > >> > >> 1974 M-17 > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;> > >> [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com > >> <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Henry Rodriguez > >> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 11:56 PM > >> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;> > >> Subject: M_Boats: 1979 M17--She Will Be Mine > >> > >> Thanks all for the replies and encouragement. I wrote a check for > >> $2k today and will pay the rest when my friend brings her down from > >> up north. > >> It could be as soon as two weeks. > >> > >> I know I got a great deal but you will probably gasp when you find > >> out > how > >> much my friend Jay paid for her: $200!! That's a two with only two > >> zeroes after it! And that included an old air cooled > >> (lawn-mower-on-a-stick) 5hp outboard. For another $100 the previous > >> owner gave him several boxes of equipment, including a brand new > >> Plastimo bulkhead compass (never installed), a brand new Danforth > >> anchor with chain and rope rode, and some other stuff I can't > >> remember. Jay knows he could easily get $4-6k for the boat so I'm > >> happy to get it for $2500. He had a business deal fall through and > >> needs the money. He may not buy the Halman after all. > >> > >> The transom had a slight crack that apparently widened a bit when > >> the rudder grounded when Jay was sailing her this fall. He said he > >> started the repair; looks like there's some fiberglass work in my > >> future. I plan on fixing that first and then working on the > >> exterior and rigging. I'll worry about the interior later. I have > >> studied all of the pictures, project descriptions, and links on the > >> MSOG site but I'm sure I'll be back asking lots of questions. > >> > >> Gary O., I remember you and your boat very well from the HPCC. I > >> took some pictures of your boat but now that I'm about to become a > >> Montgomery owner I wish I had taken more. I would love to see more > >> detailed pictures of your deck and cockpit layout. I like the > >> split-tail main sheet rigging and might try that on my new boat > >> (she needs a name!) I get the same effect on Chiquita by using a > >> dual main sheet arrangement with an independent tackle coming from > >> each corner of the transom. Using the windward sheet allows me to > >> get the boom to the center without too much downward pull. A > >> cascaded vang controls twist with enough power to bend the boom. > >> > >> I don't even have the boat yet and I'm considering doing some > >> custom rigging. I've got it bad! And I have a two page list of > >> projects to complete on Chiquita that I haven't even started yet. > >> No rest for the wicked! > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Henry > >> https://picasaweb.google.com/heinzir > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2013.0.3462 / Virus Database: 3681/7038 - Release Date: > > 01/27/14 > > >

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1979 M17--She Will Be Mine
by Henry Rodriguez 28 Jan '14

28 Jan '14

Thanks all for the replies and encouragement. I wrote a check for $2k today and will pay the rest when my friend brings her down from up north. It could be as soon as two weeks. I know I got a great deal but you will probably gasp when you find out how much my friend Jay paid for her: $200!! That's a two with only two zeroes after it! And that included an old air cooled (lawn-mower-on-a-stick) 5hp outboard. For another $100 the previous owner gave him several boxes of equipment, including a brand new Plastimo bulkhead compass (never installed), a brand new Danforth anchor with chain and rope rode, and some other stuff I can't remember. Jay knows he could easily get $4-6k for the boat so I'm happy to get it for $2500. He had a business deal fall through and needs the money. He may not buy the Halman after all. The transom had a slight crack that apparently widened a bit when the rudder grounded when Jay was sailing her this fall. He said he started the repair; looks like there's some fiberglass work in my future. I plan on fixing that first and then working on the exterior and rigging. I'll worry about the interior later. I have studied all of the pictures, project descriptions, and links on the MSOG site but I'm sure I'll be back asking lots of questions. Gary O., I remember you and your boat very well from the HPCC. I took some pictures of your boat but now that I'm about to become a Montgomery owner I wish I had taken more. I would love to see more detailed pictures of your deck and cockpit layout. I like the split-tail main sheet rigging and might try that on my new boat (she needs a name!) I get the same effect on Chiquita by using a dual main sheet arrangement with an independent tackle coming from each corner of the transom. Using the windward sheet allows me to get the boom to the center without too much downward pull. A cascaded vang controls twist with enough power to bend the boom. I don't even have the boat yet and I'm considering doing some custom rigging. I've got it bad! And I have a two page list of projects to complete on Chiquita that I haven't even started yet. No rest for the wicked! -- Henry https://picasaweb.google.com/heinzir

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Re: M_Boats: 1979 M17--She Will Be Mine
by bownez＠juno.com 28 Jan '14

28 Jan '14

Rich, I take it you have a very beefy whiskerpole. (a hemmm) Might you have the model number? Is it a Forespar item? Bones ____________________________________________________________ Fast, Secure, NetZero 4G Mobile Broadband. Try it. http://www.netzero.net/?refcd=NZINTISP0512T4GOUT2

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Sails
by Todd Bradley 28 Jan '14

28 Jan '14

Hi Everybody, I am hoping to get some feedback regarding headsail size for my 23'. I do not currently have a headsail and am trying to determine the best size to start with as I eventually build a sail inventory. I will be doing most of my sailing on my local lake (Folsom). Where winds vary from 0 to 8 knots and then days with 8 to 15 knot winds. I will eventual get it up to Tahoe and down into SF bay where the winds will be stronger. I have spoken to a few other sailing folks and I am thinking of Starting with a 135 Genoa. What are others using? Do you think a 135 is a good place to start? Thanks in advance for any of your input! Todd Bradley M-23 #86

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Re: M_Boats: Sails
by bownez＠juno.com 26 Jan '14

26 Jan '14

Robbin, Now you got me anxious to try that old 150 you kindly shipped to me!! No boating here for a while.... Bones M23 #75 ____________________________________________________________ Do THIS before eating carbs (every time) 1 EASY tip to increase fat-burning, lower blood sugar & decrease fat storage http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/52e26ee1a2e7b6ee120dcst04vuc

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Re: M_Boats: Sails
by bownez＠juno.com 26 Jan '14

26 Jan '14

Jerry, Didn't you race an M23 on Leech Lake in Minnesota years ago? Bones ____________________________________________________________ Want to place your ad here? Advertise on United Online http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/52e31dbc2db1e1dbc3157st04vuc

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Re: M_Boats: 1979 M17--She Will Be Mine
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 25 Jan '14

25 Jan '14

Henry, - that is the kind of 'wicked' that keeps one out of trouble! Good for you and the crew. Next time I go to the boat I will take some pictures of the deck and related rigging. ---shaking head in disbelief --$200. ---------- have a 'wicked bunch of fun' playing with the new boat! Take Care, Have Fun, Go Sailing! GO In a message dated 1/25/2014 7:50:54 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com writes: > Thanks all for the replies and encouragement. I wrote a check for $2k > today and will pay the rest when my friend brings her down from up north. > It could be as soon as two weeks. > > I know I got a great deal but you will probably gasp when you find out how > much my friend Jay paid for her: $200!! That's a two with only two

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Re: M_Boats: 1979 M17--She Will Be Mine
by bownez＠juno.com 25 Jan '14

25 Jan '14

Good work Henry! You are headed for a busy spring..... The sailboat supply houses are going to love you... I may have a few pictures of Gary's boat if you would like me to send them. Ate you looking for a replacement outboard as well? Bones ____________________________________________________________ How to Sleep Like a Rock Obey this one natural trick to fall asleep and stay asleep all night. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/52e3cca14005c4ca161b7st03vuc

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On-line marine equipment resources
by Tom Smith 24 Jan '14

24 Jan '14

What outfits do you guys use for ordering bits and pieces (and why)? I'll go first: I order quite a bit from www.fisheriessupply.com. Good help on the phone (I usually talk to somebody before ordering) and the prices are okay. Certainly better than you-know-who. t _/\_

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