May 2013 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Re: M_Boats: mast raising on M-23, as easy as NorSea 27?
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 20 May '13

20 May '13

Hey Gang.. yes....I use an A-frame that allows me to do the whole operation singlehanded and under control. The A-frame clamps to the two chainplates and consists of two pipes that go forward to just above the stemhead and then are connected together with 2 U-bolts (one facing up and one facing down.) Two halyard are attached to the top U-bolt and the mainsheet is used to connect to the stemhead and the lower u-bolt. The halyards are then used to raise the A-frame perpendicular to the mast and locked off. The mainsheet then provides more than enough purchase for me to raise the mast by pulling the A-frame back down to the starting position just above the stemhead . I stand at the tabernacle and pull on the mainsheet..this allows me to contol the mast side to side until the shrouds get tight. Actually having the boat ever so slightly leaning to one side when I raise it aids me, in that the mast will want to favor that side in it's sway. This is the side I stand on so the mast can just rest against my hip as it goes up. The A-frame automatically centers the pull on the mast and is not able to sway. I also have an extending mast crutch that allows me to kind of pre-elevate the mast in the rear before I start hoisting it with the mainsheet. The Crutch is a custom aluminum deal I made that fits into a Todd seat post base that is mounted in the aft transverse lazzerette lid. This also doubles as a place to mount a cockpit table. The base of the crutch actually screws into it and then at the tip of the extension section I have three rings that allow me to secure three ratchet straps (one goes left to the dock cleat, one right to the dock cleat and one to a padeye I have mounted in the forward cockpit floor. This stablizes the top of the mast crutch. I lay my mast down aft, rather than the stock setup of going forward with it. I don't like going forward because you get so much weight out in front of the pivot point of the pulpit once the mast is down. I do have to remove the inner shrouds to lay it backwards and I suppose I could rotate the chainplates to alleviate this step, but I have never bothered. I use the velcro cotter pin straps to secure my turnbuckles so it's only a couple of minutes to remove them. I also did not like the amount of pressure on the gooseneck fitting using the boom as the gin pole and laying the mast foward. I don't think that going forward it would be very easy to perfect the system so that you can do it singlehanded. I've been using this system single handed for about 6 years, multiple times a year. It is slower to setup than some systems. I suffered a severe injury to my neck about 9 years ago in a mast raising incident with a Santana 23d which has a very heavy double spreader rig. Not wanting to ever find myself in an Air-E-Vac airplane at 2am again, I probably error on the side of caution and my setup time to many is too long. For me though, it makes me 100% self sufficient and safe. I routinely tow, rig, launch , retrieve , and de-rig solo....and in fact I usually prefer it that way. I will probably step the mast in the next week or two here at home to do some final prep work for the trip to the San Juans. If I do I will try to take some video of the process. I make no claims though that "this is the way to do it". Only that "this is the way I do it". Remember....before you consider copying what I am doing....It's a home made system and the guy that uses it is the same guy that just told you he has injured himself severely in a mast raising incident. LOL

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Jib Height
by George Iemmolo 18 May '13

18 May '13

Ready to splash boat tomorrow broken toggle prevented it today.. While sailing her in the driveway on a test run I noticed that the clew can be any where from flush with the deck (I do not have a Bow Rail) to 3'-4' above the deck. What is the normal height above deck for a working Jib? George Merry Helen II M15 #602

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Future purchase
by Kirk Satterfield 18 May '13

18 May '13

Hello all, My wife and I are in North Carolina, and are considering an M-15 for a future purchase. Is there an owner out there close to our area that we could come and take a "hands on" look at the boat sometime? You know, climb inside, sit in the cockpit, all that sort of thing. Photos of these boats, I think, does not do them justice. Warm regards! “The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.” William Arthur Ward

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Re: M_Boats: Bottom Paint On Montgomery 15
by W David Scobie 16 May '13

16 May '13

Scott: good news that you had little difficulty with the gel coat bubbles and making the boat's bottom smooth once again. don't use silicone on your boat. the only silicone should be used to bed the cabin windows (the stock windows). in the case of the windows the silicone acts as a gasket and will not 'eat' the Lexan. silicone isn't a good adhesive and very easily comes 'unattached' to whatever you thought you stuck in place (which is why the stock M15 windows are really held in place by bolts). _after_ the centerboard pin is back in place bed the ends with 3M 4200 or Sikaflex 291. using 3M 5200 (or similar) will require 'chipping' if you ever again need to service the board/pennant. :: Dave Scobie --- On Thu, 5/16/13, Scott Larson <salarson2(a)comcast.net> wrote: > I found that the little bubbles on > the bottom just sanded smooth without > even going through the gelcoat. I think my procedure > to paint the bottom > will be to suspend the boat using straps to first > paint the CB trunk side > and bottom (And loosen the stuck CB). When that dries, > I will mask that and > rest the boat on its keel and keep it from tipping sideways > using the chain > plates and rear cleats. Then I will paint the rest of > the bottom. > > As for the CB bolt. Should I dig the silicone out of > the bolt hole? If I > do, do I need to cover it with anything? If so, would > that marine fairing > compound that works sort of like Bondo work? If I used > that, would it be > possible to chip it out at a later date (Without damaging > the keel) to > service the centerboard? > > Scott Larson >

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Re: M_Boats: Bottom Paint On Montgomery 15
by Scott Larson 16 May '13

16 May '13

I found that the little bubbles on the bottom just sanded smooth without even going through the gelcoat. I think my procedure to paint the bottom will be to suspend the boat using straps to first paint the CB trunk side and bottom (And loosen the stuck CB). When that dries, I will mask that and rest the boat on its keel and keep it from tipping sideways using the chain plates and rear cleats. Then I will paint the rest of the bottom. As for the CB bolt. Should I dig the silicone out of the bolt hole? If I do, do I need to cover it with anything? If so, would that marine fairing compound that works sort of like Bondo work? If I used that, would it be possible to chip it out at a later date (Without damaging the keel) to service the centerboard? Scott Larson

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Another test - please ignore
by Keith Diehl from Droid 16 May '13

16 May '13

I made some changes to my ISP account and worry when I see no list traffic for a day. Just testing. Keith Diehl Cottonwood Heights, UT (Sent from my DROID -- thus explaining the typos:)

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cover for M15
by David Grah 14 May '13

14 May '13

I liked the cover in Dave Scobie's photos but have to admit I am very happy with my $35 tarp and would probably take it over the cover in the photos. It fits pretty well, stays on in high winds, and covers most of the hull. Almost as good as a garage, if you ask me. Hopefully I have successfully attached a photo of it. David Grah Bishop California Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 13:58:42 -0700 From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: cover for M15 Message-ID: <518D5F82.90907(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Montypals: I want a nice cover for my M15. So, I emailed the Sailor's Tailor, but they don't have a pattern for the M15. They would need to have the boat. Not possible, since they are in Ohio, and I am in California! (Well, I know Dan Phy could do it, but that is another story...) So, where can I go in the SF Bay Area to get a nice cover? I am tired of the $50 tarp I use. Daniel M15 Kestrel

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Test message - please ignore
by Keith Diehl from Droid 14 May '13

14 May '13

Keith Diehl Cottonwood Heights, UT (Sent from my DROID -- thus explaining the typos:)

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MANISHEET TRAVELER
by George Iemmolo 13 May '13

13 May '13

I previously asked about the length of the Mainsheet Traveler but can't remember the answer I received. I believe it was 7' but am not sure. As I am ready t cut line tomorrow I am asking again for input from this knowledge group of Montgomery sailors. George Merry Helen II #602

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Surge brakes
by Daniel Rich 13 May '13

13 May '13

Have any of you added surge braking to your pacific trailer for an M15? Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich(a)gmail.com

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