December 2013 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Little Breeze M15
by Michael Mann 18 Nov '15

18 Nov '15

Hi, My name is Michael Mann and in 1982, I sailed the Montgomery 15, Little Breeze from CA to Hawaii. I see on the web site that she has been rescued by new owners in Hawaii and I would love to correspond with them. I am currently sailing on a container ship headed for Honolulu and would welcome the chance to make contact. Thanks for any info. Michael Mann

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New Member
by Kearns, Kevin P 06 Jan '14

06 Jan '14

Hi Everyone, In the spring I purchased a 1993 Montgomery 15 in near mint condition. I enjoyed sailing her all summer on Lake Arthur about 40 miles north of Pittsburgh. I've sailed nearly all my life and have owned several boats (Flying Scot, C Scow, Capri 22, O'Day Daysailer, Compac 16). I'm really very pleased with the M-15. She is all that I hoped for and more. I'm looking forward to following posts on the forum and learning more about my boat. I have two questions: 1. I'd like to raise the boat off the trailer (just a few inches would do) to apply antifouling paint to the portion of the hull that rests on the trailer bunks. I saw a few pictures that involved lifting the entire trailer, then bracing the boat and dropping the trailer. I don't feel comfortable doing that. Does anyone have another idea? I may just go to a marina and rent a lift. 2. I want to swim off the boat, but I'm really reluctant to drill holes in the transom for a permanent swim ladder. Can anyone recommend one of those removable ladders that hook over the rear coaming? Thanks. As I look out my office window at the grey Pittsburgh winter, my thoughts turn to sailing. Best wishes, Kevin Kearns Pittsburgh, PA

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Older M17 rudder measurements needed
by Tom Smith 25 Dec '13

25 Dec '13

I have the original rudder from a mid-70s M17 I used to own. It's the fixed rudder where the blade undershoots the keel. Just for the hell of it I'm refurbishing it and re-installing the pintals so they will line up correctly with the gudgeons on the transom of my early 90s M17. I have both the stock and IdaSailor rudders and know the downside of a fixed rudder, but one can't have too many rudders, can one? I'm interested to know how much gap there is between the top of the rudder's undershot blade and the keel. Anybody know that measurement off hand? Thanks. Tom Smith t _/\_

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New Rudder thoughts
by jaredprindle 23 Dec '13

23 Dec '13

I'm aiming this question to Jerry since he was the designer but anyone...feel free. I'm making a new rudder for my M12. The old one is great but I'm making a fold up one and I'd still like to keep the original. I like learning these things so that's part of the reason too. It's fun messing with splinters and fumes. Anyway, I was going to make something along the lines of a Naca 0012 as that seems to be a popular foil - not to racey but not a pig either. Measuring the original rudder it doesn't look naca anything but the thickness to chord length ratio seems really small...about 8.5%. Literature suggests that this rudder may stale alot without constant attention. I never felt that way about it while using it so I guess I'm just looking for some clarification or understanding. Any thoughts on this? Considering the wood I'm using is a little thinner then what I wanted my rudder may end up closer to a 10% ratio. Again thoughts? Ok, I know, I know that all this detail really doesn't matter since there's no M12 class to be racing against and my dad has said it's pretty hard to screw up a rudder. I'm happy to know the tolerances are fairly forgiving but I'd still like to understand the theory for doing it right and even understand what and why behind the original rudder design. Thanks Jared

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Montgomery 15 Ladder Installation
by David Grah 20 Dec '13

20 Dec '13

I think there was some recent discussion about ladders on a Montgomery 15. As outlined at this link, for several years I used a removable ladder on the boat. About a year ago put in a permanent ladder. After using the new ladder a bunch this summer, I can say I couldn't be happier with it and the installation. http://pages.suddenlink.net/davidgrah/Ladder.pdf David Grah Bishop California Montgomery 15 Sky

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Oars/Sweeps for M17?
by seable＠lava.net 17 Dec '13

17 Dec '13

Howzit from Kaneohe Bay? I’m dangerously close to splashing my restored ‘91 M17 and have options for AUX power; but must wonder if anyone has thought to / or successfully applied oars & locks to the cockpit combings. Or even a transom sweep??? Just checking! We just need to clear our lee shore reef, before we can sail to weather and beyond. Best ideas will be rewarded with an invitation to come over and crew! AloooHa! Mele Kalikimaka e Hauoli Makahiki Hou! Philipp @ SE’ABLE 808- 247-8497 seable(a)lava.net

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Re: M_Boats: New Member
by SALGLESSER＠aol.com 17 Dec '13

17 Dec '13

I'm with Doug. Good idea to have a permanent user friendly boarding ladder on a small sailboat. It can be very difficult to get back onto a small sailboat if one falls off. Clothing, shock, etc. all make it harder to get back onboard. Just placing your foot into the lowest rung of the ladder can be difficult. On the Sage 17, a boarding ladder is standard equipment as we believe it is a life saving piece of equipment. sal In a message dated 12/17/2013 9:01:51 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, doug1kelch(a)gmail.com writes: Kevin, Put in a permanent swim ladder as it is an essential safety item. If you ever fall overboard you cannot get back on board without it. In the cold spring waters where you sail hypothermia is deadly within a very short time. You are incapcitated well before you die, thus ensuring your death. :-) If you want, I can send you instructions on how to install a transom mounted ladder without cutting large holes and installing inspection ports. Thanks Doug Kelch Seas the Day M15 G #310 Doug On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 8:32 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> wrote: > Kevin, > I managed to lift my M-15 off the trailer using a 4X4 aft of the > keel/center board housing, a floor jack and jack stands. Next time I will > pay the fee for the boat lift at the local boat yard. > I think West Marine (the big box store for boat stuff on the West > Coast) carries a rope ladder that be tossed over the transom so you will > not need to drill holes in your M-15. Set your hook before go swimming, > my M-15 drifted on the current faster than I could keep up to swimming, > and I was a triathalon swimmer at the time. > Good luck > Steve > M-15 # 335 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kearns, Kevin P" <kkearns(a)pitt.edu> > To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 11:55 AM > Subject: M_Boats: New Member > > > Hi Everyone, > > In the spring I purchased a 1993 Montgomery 15 in near mint condition. I > enjoyed sailing her all summer on Lake Arthur about 40 miles north of > Pittsburgh. I've sailed nearly all my life and have owned several boats > (Flying Scot, C Scow, Capri 22, O'Day Daysailer, Compac 16). I'm really > very pleased with the M-15. She is all that I hoped for and more. I'm > looking forward to following posts on the forum and learning more about my > boat. > > I have two questions: > > > 1. I'd like to raise the boat off the trailer (just a few inches > would do) to apply antifouling paint to the portion of the hull that rests > on the trailer bunks. I saw a few pictures that involved lifting the > entire trailer, then bracing the boat and dropping the trailer. I don't > feel comfortable doing that. Does anyone have another idea? I may just go > to a marina and rent a lift. > > > 2. I want to swim off the boat, but I'm really reluctant to drill > holes in the transom for a permanent swim ladder. Can anyone recommend one > of those removable ladders that hook over the rear coaming? > > Thanks. As I look out my office window at the grey Pittsburgh winter, my > thoughts turn to sailing. > > Best wishes, > Kevin Kearns > Pittsburgh, PA > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3462 / Virus Database: 3658/6923 - Release Date: 12/15/13 > >

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Re: M_Boats: Oars/Sweeps for M17?
by bownez＠juno.com 17 Dec '13

17 Dec '13

I have a sweep for my M17. The few times I experimented, all I did was fishtail back and forth with little forward motion. I think it can work, I just don't have the correct swagger.... Bones ____________________________________________________________ How Cruise Lines Fill All Those Unsold Cabins? (HINT: You will want to book a cruise after you read this...) http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/52afd0bc10f3e50bb51efst04vuc

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Re: M_Boats: Gotta love these fireside chats; sorry M-boats don't make good ice boats!
by nebwest2＠aol.com 15 Dec '13

15 Dec '13

Seable says...."So if you have had enough slaloms under London Bridge...."???? Sean Says.... Heck No!!! We haven't!!! LOL The slaloms will continue! 2015 Bigger and Better than ever!:-) I'd LOVE to sail there!....I just don't want to SAIL (to) there! LOL Unfortunately the highway that my 65mph trailersailor travels on to get to it's next cruising destination is apparently still under construction! :-)Sean

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WICR/Potter Invitational AYC Birthday Regatta - It is TIME TO REGISTER! NOW!
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 14 Dec '13

14 Dec '13

Fwd - from Emory Heisler at AYC - they would like us to register - Sign up as 'Wrinkleboat fleet' -Please state the type/ model boat so we can get your rating assigned. Thank You. Garu O ____________________________________ From: emory.heisler(a)gmail.com To: AYC_Fleet_Captains(a)yahoogroups.com Sent: 12/13/2013 10:29:46 P.M. US Mountain Standard Tim Subj: AYC Birthday Regatta - It is TIME TO REGISTER! NOW! 1. Click this link to sign up. https://www.regonline.com/birthdayregatta 2. Camping/RV spots are available for you to reserve – call Pleasant Harbor RV at (602) 269-0077. Tell ‘em, “I’m with Arizona Yacht Club!!” 3. DISCOUNT hotel, $99/night…rate expires 12/25/2013…get ‘er done before Santa comes! http://tinyurl.com/2014-ayc-bdr-hotel 4. Raise funds for Leukemia Lymphoma Society!!! _You can set up your fundraising page here. _ (https://www.leukemiacup.org/M360Registration/populateSignUp.action) Fleet Captains, please forward to your regional fleet representatives! See you in January!!! Emory Emory Heisler PHONE: (602) 679 0462 EMAIL: _Emory.Heisler(a)gmail.com_ (mailto:Emory.Heisler@gmail.com) ARIZONA YACHT CLUB BIRTHDAY REGATTA & LEUKEMIA CUP: Jan. 17-18-19, 2014 http://arizonayachtclub.org/ayc-bdr/

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