January 2013 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Little Breeze M15
by Michael Mann 18 Nov '15

18 Nov '15

Hi, My name is Michael Mann and in 1982, I sailed the Montgomery 15, Little Breeze from CA to Hawaii. I see on the web site that she has been rescued by new owners in Hawaii and I would love to correspond with them. I am currently sailing on a container ship headed for Honolulu and would welcome the chance to make contact. Thanks for any info. Michael Mann

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replacement windows
by Bonnie Kostka 15 Aug '13

15 Aug '13

A while back someone mentioned where to buy replacement widows, Did anyone buy them & where did they buy them? Bonnie M15

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Montgomery Sailboats are in high demand
by Bob Eeg 15 Jul '13

15 Jul '13

And are built with top-notch quality. There is nothing in the market place faster, better built and as good looking as a Montgomery Sailboat. I don't run a factory; I run a very small boatshop. I built to order on a boat by boat basis. I do a lot of custom work when asked. Bronze ports, Stainless ports, extra ballast, Custom electrical systems, Idasailor rudders, anchoring packages..etc. This work is labor intensive. Quality takes time. I have 3 employees. These people are highly experienced in Laminating, construction, assembly and finish. Woodworking and other skills result in a absolutely beautiful sailing vessel. I use the best sails the best rigging, the best custom stainless fasteners..and yes....(laughing) the best cushions. This last 15 months have been EXTREMELY busy; hiring new help was impossible because all the good people are gone. We had a tremendous BACKLOG and we caught a break only when Pacific Seacraft employees (let go) began filtering into our shop looking for work. We did add some additional crew in the Laminating Shop and because of that we are caught up. Pacific Seacrafts Bankruptcy was good for us. Bad for the dozens of good people who are out of work. The FIRST question of anyone buying a new boat should be 'How is the construction quality'? First and foremost that is the most important issue. I can say that everyone has experienced and will continue to experience a BACKLOG of orders; especially if the boat is as popular as a Montgomery Sailboat. When we had an 8 month backlog and I actually turned down 2 M_17 orders so we could catch our breath. It is impossible to work any harder or any faster. Now that were caught up we can get back to our normal 50-70 days (depending on model and options). Also custom work really adds to the production time. One beautiful M_17 we did we cut the V berth out of and installed an oval bulkhead, custom shelves and inline potti area; with 4 bronze ports she is an amazing boat, but custom work takes time. Expect delays if you go radical on the interior. (I think BONES has a photo of that one...) We are really one of the only builders that entertain changes and options to satisfy the customer. This new Passagemaker M_17 were building (and installing a windvane on tomorrow) is going to be amazing. Other actual boat factories that produce boats for DEALERS (that Tod mentioned) like Precision and Compac are built on Factory Production lines for a large Dealership Network. Dealers who have these boats in stock can supply them right away. But ask for major changes on a future production boat and the wait will be many months. International Marine builds boats faster with more employees but those boats are piss poor sailers (upwind) and many arrive with a list of problems that are pathetic. That's not me. So try not to focus on the TIME factor. We can only go so fast. Hiring additional help is not an option because by the time you train someone the season gets slow and you have to lay them off. I can't do that. I have people that have been with me for 20 years; I keep us small and efficient on purpose. So be surprised if we hit the delivery time; which we do quite often. Be a little disappointed when we miss it; but get over it when you see your boat. Dozens of you know me; you've arrived to see me rig your boat, pack you up and shake your hand. (Heck...Gary Hyde even brought me a bottle of wine..!..Thanks Gary.!) One man bought a new M_15 from us and a new M_17 a year later.! The C word...Cushions. I inspect everyboat before it leaves for home. Scott's boat was leaving for the Bay Area early Friday morning; I was at the boatshop at 10:30 PM Thursday night, sleeping at the picnic table just inside the door, waiting for the cushion guy to arrive with the (late) promised cushions. He drove up, woke me up and I watched as he stacked them on the deck. We left. My man arrived at 3AM and hooked up the boat and slid the cushions inside the boat. I should have loaded them myself then I would have noticed they looked good but didn't have the required 'Squeeze' factor. Let's move on, shall we....? Fair winds Bob Eeg (949) 489-8227 Boat Builder

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Re: M_Boats: Hi
by SALGLESSER＠aol.com 07 Jul '13

07 Jul '13

Hi Gordon, Louis, In my "day job" we began to export in 1979. We began to import in 1981. With more than 30 years of experience in this area and more than 1,000,000 miles traveling to distant lands, I believe my understanding is somewhat broad with regards to the question. There is truth to what Gordon says, and there is also truth to what Louis says. The question is quite complex, certainly more than can be discussed on this board (although I am willing to share info and experience if anyone is interested). The valuation of currency is critical to understanding. Long term, it is important to balance import and export as it is important to help support US companies. At Sage Marine, we are offering sails from both Harry Pattison and Judy B., whom have demonstrated quality and commitment. (We will also work with any sail-maker of your choice). Please pardon the shameless plug. Hi Bones, Quality is more a demonstration of longevity than performance, and longevity is difficult to determine in the short term. sal In a message dated 8/24/2011 8:54:54 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, gordon(a)financialwriting.net writes: Apology accepted, Louis. You're right in that 2/3rds of the U.S. gross domestic product is driven by the consumer sector -- the goods and services purchased by all of us (excluding businesses and the government). That's important for our nation's well being, and especially for small businesses. All competitors in the global economy -- including many "mom-and-pop outfits" in the United States -- work hard to sell to foreign buyers. At the same time, many savvy consumers seek out the world's best products and services for the lowest price -- which makes sense. In a way, this potentially threatening "global economy" can benefit us all -- as consumers and businesses. I don't think boat sails or any other products are necessarily inferior -- or "low-ball," as you said -- just because they are made abroad. What's more, my recommending a Chinese sailmaker to someone doesn't mean I'm against buying "American." In fact, feel free to call Harry Pattison at Elliott-Pattison Sailmakers, a top-notch sailmaker in the United State of California who knows Montgomery boats well, and ask him how many sails Gordon Gilbert has purchased from him. You might be surprised at what an "equal opportunity" buyer I am. I'm just a hard-working guy who, like anyone else, wants to get the most for his money. Enjoy the rest of your sailing season! Gordon Still a Proud U.S. Air Force Veteran P.S. Frankly, I don't think being disrespectful or discourteous to someone in an e-mail -- especially someone you don't know -- is a good way to GET THEIR ATTENTION. On Aug 24, 2011, at 5:28 PM, Louis Remmers wrote: > Gordon: I do apologize if my e mail seemed disrespectful, but I DID get your attention. Although we all know the current economic situation is global, very few of us have any influence in foreign economics. We do however have a huge impact in the economy of the USA. If we all purchase in country it WILL make a difference. I would like to recommend Douglas Fowler sail maker from New York. Chris Rooke in Memphis is also able to make excellent sails at a very good price. If you look around you will find MANY mom and pop outfits that we need to help us all float our boats so to speak. Once again accept my apologies for rocking your boat. Louis Remmers. > > --- On Tue, 8/23/11, Andrei Caldararu <andreic(a)math.wisc.edu> wrote: > > > From: Andrei Caldararu <andreic(a)math.wisc.edu> > Subject: M_Boats: Hi > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Date: Tuesday, August 23, 2011, 12:34 PM > > > Dear Gordon, > > First, I hope your health is at least as good as it can be under the circumstances. How are you feeling? Have you been able to do some sailing in MN? > > I wanted to ask you a quick question. I remembered that at some point you mentioned an outfit in China which sold you sails for the Monty 17 at a very good price. Were you happy with the quality? What was the name/web address of the place? I am thinking of getting a new mainsail, and perhaps a new sail for a new boat I got (a Windrider 16, single person trimaran). > > Best wishes of health and hope, and I hope to hear from you soon. > > Andrei. > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet!

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video - 46 seconds of yesterday
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 05 Feb '13

05 Feb '13

_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Timb5emKPbQ_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Timb5emKPbQ)

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Re: M_Boats: WrinkleBoat Ran-Tan 2012 January 13-15 Phoenix ALL invite d !
by bownez＠juno.com 05 Feb '13

05 Feb '13

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Montgomery 17's, of course
by Thomas Buzzi 29 Jan '13

29 Jan '13

Age three, walking down a blacktop road holding my mother's hand. She is pushing a carriage that holds my baby sister. As we approach a white fence at the turn in the road I hear a sound. As I peek over the bottom rail I am startled to see a large body of water sweeping by. It is a river on its way to wherever rivers end up. The sound it made as it accommodated the rocks in its bed brought back a memory of something I had yet to experience. It was the biggest mass of moving water, besides the bathtub, I had ever seen. Years later, I, now a young lad, walk daily along a beach. The seaside air, sound and smell supply a daily balm to a mind distraught with a violent family life. I just wanted to sail away. I was "Sea struck" just as actor Sterling Hayden had referred to his passion for all things nautical. Finally time and money allowed me to consider building my first "boat in a basement". It was a flat bottomed kayak courtesy of a set of plans from a "Popular Mechanics" magazine article. Naturally I put a sail and leeboards on it. The mast materialized out of a two inch length of aluminum conduit, the rigging, clothesline. It worked, I was hooked. Later on a Charles Whittholtz designed catboat project pulled me away from a college degree. I would rather work with my hands to create in this life anyway. Over the years a successful business provided the means to indulge my passion for sailing. A Montgomery 17 was followed by a 20' Pacific Seacraft Flicka, then a 28'Cape Dory. Finally, mercifully, a 36' S2 racer slaked my desire to continue to go bigger and bigger. It drained my stock of funds and spare time. One day a fellow walked down the dock by my boatslip. We spoke. He wanted to sail to Europe, I wanted to sell my boat. We agreed that for a sum of money he would take over my dream and sail the boat across the deep blue sea. I was done with sailing. Could live without the sound of the water parting to allow my craft to sail by. Would not miss the feel of a sail driven craft as the first breeze wakes her from her becalmed state and makes her tighten up in preparation for her next romp across the waves. No more. Then years later a friend invites me to go on the first sail in his home built boat. I accept the invitation little realizing then what fire in the soul I was playing with. As his rendition of "Nancy's China" shoulders into the waves I suddenly realize, too late, what I have gotten myself into once again. All the old desires, the lure, the majesty of the sea came rushing upon me like a squall line sweeps across the waves from behind. You feel it before you hear and see it and when you glance over the stern on it comes as undeniable and all encompassing as any force you have ever stared at eye to eye. All the thrill returned, cleaned of any past regrets or disappointments of voyages left undone. The reacquaintance with feelings once thought to be dissolved, the peace of mind in realizing once again that this is something I want in my life again, all came rushing back. Older and much wiser I realize that the boat that best fit my needs early on is the very same one that would do so now. Jerry's and Lyle's creation would again have a place in my life. But the fates toy with me. Now that "little boat" seems to be as rare as "hen's teeth". So I scan the listings and and continue to dream. My life in a "cockle shell". Thanks for reading.

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Re: M_Boats: SeaFrog
by SALGLESSER＠aol.com 28 Jan '13

28 Jan '13

Hi Joe, Sorry for your loss. Hope your boat sells quickly. salngail '86 M15 #361 - "Justus" In a message dated 1/27/2013 1:41:09 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, seagray(a)embarqmail.com writes: When storms hit and the winds finally die down a new day different than the days before begin. Life is the same way. When I started my sailing, the first boat I bought was a beautiful NorSea 27, SeaGray. As the years went by my wife's abilities to sail began to evaporate. I realized the possibility of sailing off each winter to warmer climates was further and further out of the question. SeaGray was not getting the kind of use she deserved so I sold her. I still loved sailing and Cindy's agreement to sell SeaGray included buying something that would compliment the sailing grounds here on the coast of North Carolina. I contacted Bob and we began the process of building SeaFrog and for nearly 4 years I have really grown to love this boat. Last November my wife passed away. And so a new day begins. And so I've decided to make some changes in my life that include a liveaboard in the immediate future. So I'm making SeaFrog available. I'm starting here with you guys first. I've gotten so much from this group and have enjoyed the advice and the stories. SeaFrog is a 2008 M17 with a green sheer stripe. It has nearly everything I can think of to make her 'sail away' condition. There are some photos on http://sailseafrog.blogspot.com/ I have additional photos that I can put on a CD or sd card for anyone seriously interested. Here's a list of things on SeaFrog: - 4 opening port lights with screens - tinted lexan drop boards - Idasailor rudder (if you're not familiar with these, they are the cat's meow) - 2 anchors. G7 Guardian w/ 10' SS chain and 120' 1/2" nylon rode and a 15# Manson Supreme 8' chain and 150' 1/2" nylon rode - tan bark sails - CDI roller furling - mast halyard runs back to cockpit w/ Spinlock - Covers for mainsail, hand rails, and winches - reefing lines for 2 reef points - outhaul and topping lift - lazy jacks - Plastimo Mini Contest bulkhead mounted compa - D27 battery - Electrical: panel w/ battery gauge, battery switch, Hella Fan, interior red/white overhead light, running lights, masthead/deck light, 2 12v outlets, battery charger, - VHF radio installed in cabin with full function remote in cockpit - 6 hp Tohatsu Outboard motor w/ 3 gallon remote tank plus 2 1 gallon reserve tanks - 2 fenders - mid ship Shaefer adjustable cleats that run back and forth along the gib track - Pacific trailor with spare tire, all lights are LED, and tongue extension - back stay tensioner - Tiller Tamer - boom vang - fire extinquisher - dock lines - custom made cover (brand new, never used) that covers the entire boat whether on the trailer or moored with the mast up or down. My asking price is $18K as I have over $25K in her. So if you are interested or know anyone that is looking or if some of you run into someone at Havasu that can't live without one, please drop me a line or give me a call at 25525-240-1085. Thanks, and Fair Winds. Joe

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Re: M_Boats: test
by SALGLESSER＠aol.com 27 Jan '13

27 Jan '13

Hi Stan, This one came through and is replied to the list. sal '86 M15 Justus In a message dated 1/27/2013 12:11:22 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, stevetrapp(a)q.com writes: Sam, The e-mail part of your test worked. Where are you and your Montgomery located? Steve M-15 sail number 335 South Puget Sound ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Susman" <stanpfa(a)pacbell.net> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:08 AM Subject: M_Boats: test > Test post, Stan

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test
by Stan Susman 27 Jan '13

27 Jan '13

Test post, Stan

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