June 2012 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Re: M_Boats: center board update
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 13 Jun '12

13 Jun '12

test test test

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Re: M_Boats: center board update
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 10 Jun '12

10 Jun '12

Hang in there Robbin!! last time I had to replace the pendant on "Dauntless" I bought in a REALLY big hydraulic jack.....LOL . ;-) _http://youtu.be/5Pd4PRiysFw_ (http://youtu.be/5Pd4PRiysFw) Sean

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Re: M_Boats: Bureaucracy - Be all that you can be!!!
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 09 Jun '12

09 Jun '12

Skip, Watercraft registration varies wildly from state to state - I was told when I was in the boat biz (retail) that there is a national database for H.I.N.'s - hull id numbers - when I finally got around to registering my M-17 in my name the AZG&F bounced it out said they needed to visually inspect the boat and would not issue documentation - I asked the reason and was told there is a boat, M-17 in Texas, with the same HIN and they needed to inspect my boat. Now the good part - I said I can't move the boat, now what - G&F says 'make a paper rubbing of the HIN and bring it in' - I got the trailer rolling and brought the boat to G&F,they did their due diligence inspection and issued the registration paperwork for the second M-17 in the national database with that number! Arizona issues "registration' only - no title as a vehicle - no registration needed under 'X' feet LOA with no motor power but of course they encourage it as a revenue source for the state. Michigan had none needed for canoes etc. - each state to their own devices. BTW- the only part I really miss about not operating a retail sailboat biz and marina is - lots of storage for my toys and Dealer plates for boats and vehicles - $5 a year for plate for boats (not assigned to particular watercraft!) and VERY little $ for dealer plate on truck. Not enuf to make me go back into the biz. Ask the local gendarme to check for the National database for watercraft identification. Everybody needs a job - just think, that person might end up in a position that would have a REAL effect on your life if they weren't where they are. Could be worse - could be better too. Good Luck - Ask for the Governor's assistance ! go M-17 # 316'A' Jerry- if we vote 'em all out we have a gang of rookies that don't even know where the offices are - that is a great idea. Stan - you need another boat - remember though - we ain't the same 'size' we were in the day.

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Bureaucracy - Be all that you can be!!!
by wcampion＠aol.com 09 Jun '12

09 Jun '12

If anyone would like a good laugh at how the branches of our government function, independent of each other and of course, in conflict of it's objectives, read on........... But first, some background information: I recently purchased an M-10 without a title. The boat had been registered in PA at one time, but not since 2006. After contacting PA, I received a document showing the registration information. After a closer look, there are several details that are incorrect. The year was listed as 1974, but based on the hull number (#177) the boat was built in 1972 or early 1973. The boat was listed as 12 foot, instead of 10 feet. The manufacture was listed as Montgomery Ward, not Montgomery Marine Products, etc. While dealing with Maryland DNR, it became apparent that I would not be able to obtain a corrected title, since the actual boat that I bought, did not match the registration detail. So, they questioned if the boat I bought was actually the boat that I was attempting to register based on the PA registration information. They would not take my word on any of the corrections. The DNR would not allow me to register my boat and have the right to fine me for using unregistered boat. My only option was to contact PA and ask them to make the corrections to their system for a boat that is no longer registered or located in PA. To do this, I would need a Bill of Sale, for the boat I bought showing the incorrect information as listed in PA. PA was willing to make the corrections solely based on my word. No other proof was required. They would provide me a document listing the corrected information. With this information, I could then go back to MD with a 'new' Bill of Sale (this new Bill of Sale, would then have to match the corrected information) With any luck, I would then be able to secure a new title and register my boat in Maryland. Of course, if I am not able to register my boat within 30 days from the time of purchase, MD adds additional fees and penalties and interest to the cost of registration. Here's the rub.........Maryland would not make any changes to the registration based on my word, but PA will. Once PA makes the changes, they will trust the PA records and issue a MD title. The other funny thing.............I will have to create two 'new' Bill of Sale, to match the information that each state is expecting. I am attempting to keep things legal and properly title and register my boat, but in the process, I am 'creating' various documents to make the various government agencies happy, which technically are not as legal or proper as they should be. But hey, let's not that spoil the fun!!!! Hummm......does anyone else find this funny?

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Mark Escovedo's email address?
by Tom Smith 08 Jun '12

08 Jun '12

Is Mark on this list, or does anyone have his email address? Mark is or was sailing the flush deck 17 Amy out of SoCal last I knew. Thanks. t

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M17 CB winch overlap
by Earl Landers 07 Jun '12

07 Jun '12

Like many of you, Ive been having trouble with over-wrapping on the CB winch. Last week I had it wrapped so badly that I had to disassemble the winch to clear the problem. I asked here last year and the response was, Yes it does that. Last week we took a field trip to Minnies http://www.minneysyachtsurplus.com/. While rummaging through the bins I found a circular aluminum wedge. It appeared to be the about the same diameter as the winch base, and tapered from ¼ to ½. I was guessing that it would be about right to align the winch drum more nearly perpendicular to the pendant, so I bought it ($0.50) Over the weekend I installed the wedge under the winch. The new feed angle from the pendant to the drum is very close to 90 degrees now and looked much better. We took the boat out to the local mud puddle for a test sail on Tuesday and I am happy to report that we didnt have any problems with over wraps at all. J Earl Landers M17 Zoomer

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Re: M_Boats: M17 CB winch overlap
by Tim Diebert 07 Jun '12

07 Jun '12

Awesome From my Android. Earl Landers <elanders(a)bak.rr.com> wrote: >Like many of you, Ive been having trouble with over-wrapping on the CB >winch. Last week I had it wrapped so badly that I had to disassemble the >winch to clear the problem. I asked here last year and the response was, >Yes it does that. > > > >Last week we took a field trip to Minnies >http://www.minneysyachtsurplus.com/. While rummaging through the bins I >found a circular aluminum wedge. It appeared to be the about the same >diameter as the winch base, and tapered from ¼ to ½. I was guessing that >it would be about right to align the winch drum more nearly perpendicular to >the pendant, so I bought it ($0.50) > > > >Over the weekend I installed the wedge under the winch. The new feed angle >from the pendant to the drum is very close to 90 degrees now and looked much >better. We took the boat out to the local mud puddle for a test sail on >Tuesday and I am happy to report that we didnt have any problems with over >wraps at all. J > > > >Earl Landers > >M17 Zoomer > >

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Hawaii M-15 for sale
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 07 Jun '12

07 Jun '12

Recently there was discussion by someone looking for a Monty in Hawaii. That brought on discussion of Mike Mann and his trip to Hawaii in an M15. Well, timing is everything isn't it? "Little Breeze" that very M15 is up for sale. Here is the ad: _http://boats.oodle.com/view/famous-15-ft-sailboat-for-sail/2925375388-hilo- hi/_ (http://boats.oodle.com/view/famous-15-ft-sailboat-for-sail/2925375388-hilo-…) Hmmm.. Now.....the really cool thing to do would be to purchase her,,,,,and sail her back! Who's up for going own in Monty history?? I'm checking to see how much time off I have. :-) Sean

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Re: M_Boats: Bumpety-bump
by W David Scobie 06 Jun '12

06 Jun '12

jim: my initial read of your post is you may have the shrouds to tight. jerry's 'specs' for the M17 are for the rigging to be snug, but not tight. my M17's mast has no radius cut at the bottom and shrouds are 'just a bit' looser than some other M17's i've compared rigging. as i raise/lower the mast there is a _slight_ 'tension moment' where the mast needs and extra push/pull to raise/lower at the point the mast is almost upright. my 'slightly loose' shrouds has caused no noticeable performance loss and means that after raising the mast i only have to adjust the backstay. additionally, and most importantly, the rig hasn't gone over the side ;-) some folks loosen the all the standing rigging 'just a bit' to raise/lower the mast. if Gary Hyde sees this post maybe he can post a picture of the 'foot' radius he cut in his M17's mast. i have not cut a radius at the foot of my mast. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.com --- On Fri, 5/18/12, James Poulakis <picfo(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > Fellow Jack Tars, > Spirit is a 2007 M17. When I try to raise the mast > with the shrouds set two things happen: 1) The section that > runs crosswise inside the Dwyer mast hangs up on a bolt that > sticks up from the mast step. I have almost eliminated > this by making a semi-circular clearance cutout in this > section but I still get a snag now and then. 2) Even > if the mast clears the bolt I still hit a "bump" right > before the mast goes full upright. One of Jerry's > recent posts says that this is because the base of the mast > isn't properly radiused. Cutting a radius using the > distance from the center of the pivot bolt to the base of > the mast as a guide makes geometric sense, but it cuts away > a LOT of the aft edge of the mast base. I'm wondering > if this is going to compromise the mast in some way. > Has anyone done this? > > Jim > M-17 "Spirit" >

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Invitation to connect on LinkedIn
by Fran Lebowitz via LinkedIn 05 Jun '12

05 Jun '12

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