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Mast clearance
by jnschum 28 Mar '12

28 Mar '12

http://www.msog.org/specs/mast_height.cfm gives a weight of mast per foot of 1.18 lbs for the M17. I thought it was more like 1.5 lbs per foot. Can anyone confirm the correct weight. Might this be the M15 weight? Thanks Joe

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replace traveller?
by Tom Frei 28 Mar '12

28 Mar '12

Hi all: I'm starting to replace and rebed some of my hardware on my 1981 M17 (blue hull #380). My main sheet traveller is probably the original and is placed right in front of the hatchway on the floor. It really needs to be replaced because it is sometimes difficult to adjust when sailing. Has anyone replaced this travellor with a much longer one that could be placed on the seats and thus span above the floor of the deck? This would provide more adjustment, but would also block part of the hatchway into the cabin. Or maybe I should just replace the traveller in the same location as the original? Any advice on this type of upgrade/replacement? Thanks for your help. -Tom

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Re: M_Boats: replace traveller?
by W David Scobie 27 Mar '12

27 Mar '12

tom: jerry moved, eventually, to installing the traveling about midway between the transom and companionway. my M17 is #375 and the traveler is at the middle of the cockpit ... so jerry likely was installing them according to customer request. makes sense as your and my boats are some of the first made with the 'new' deck mold. i like the traveler mid-way as all the hardware is near the tiller, so easry to reach and adjust when single handing. this location also keeps the companionway open. yes a 'full width' traveler will provide more control, but is overkill. i find there is enough range to adjust the main's twist and 'up wind sheet' as necessary. you also create a huge step-over and tip hazard mounting the track across the cockpit seats. you also put your crew and self in more danger from being hit, pinned to the cockpit combing, knocked overboard and/or injured by the mainsheet car if one finds themselves downwind of the track and the car is released in a gust of wind or when changing tacks. > sometimes difficult to adjust when sailing. reads like the bearings are full of junk (ie, sand) or the bearings have come out of the races. you may be able to re-use the track and just replace the car. just need to confirm the t-track used ... jerry, do you remember what type you were using in the early 80s? i believe the track and car on my M17 are Schaefer. > Or maybe I should just replace the traveller in the same > location as the original? if you like the location keep it there. you will find re-installing in the current location is more easily done then standing on you head in the cockpit lockers to reach under the cockpit floor. currently using with success on Sage 17 - track - Harken '2720.600MM' Trk-SB CB 600MM Low Profile track stops - Harken '173A' End Stop-SB car - Harken '2728' Car-SB CB Trav w/fixed Shvs (the Harken order/part number is between the ' and ') :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.com --- On Tue, 3/27/12, Tom Frei <tom.frei(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all: > > I'm starting to replace and rebed some of my hardware on my > 1981 M17 (blue > hull #380). My main sheet traveller is probably the > original and is placed > right in front of the hatchway on the floor. It really > needs to be > replaced because it is sometimes difficult to adjust when > sailing. Has > anyone replaced this travellor with a much longer one that > could be placed > on the seats and thus span above the floor of the > deck? This would provide > more adjustment, but would also block part of the hatchway > into the cabin. > Or maybe I should just replace the traveller in the same > location as the > original? > > Any advice on this type of upgrade/replacement? Thanks for > your help. > > -Tom >

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open archives please
by Helga Berliner 27 Mar '12

27 Mar '12

please open the archives. as a new sailor, i would really appreciate this resource. hb -- H. Nascha Berliner 833 Tennessee Lane Sarasota, Florida 34234 201-747-0548 naschab(a)gmail.com

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Searchable Archives Vote
by David Grah 27 Mar '12

27 Mar '12

I vote to open the archives so everyone can search them. David Grah Montgomery 15 Bishop California

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Re: M_Boats: open archives
by SALGLESSER＠aol.com 27 Mar '12

27 Mar '12

I would like them to be open. I found them to be very useful. sal M15 "Justus" '86 #361 In a message dated 3/26/2012 3:35:27 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, jdesnoyers(a)cox.net writes: Open please Jim Desnoyers Ketchum, ID ----- Reply message ----- From: montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 109, Issue 22 Date: Mon, Mar 26, 2012 2:35 pm Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. attention: Doug Kelch (Flickasf) 2. Re: attention: Doug Kelch (W David Scobie) 3. Vote Count - Searchable Archives (Keith Diehl) 4. Re: Vote Count - Searchable Archives (Bob Eeg) 5. Re: Vote Count - Searchable Archives (Bob From California) 6. Re: Vote Count - Searchable Archives (kpkasriel(a)gmail.com) 7. Re: Vote Count - Searchable Archives (Keith Diehl) 8. Re: Vote Count - Searchable Archives (Stan Susman) 9. Re: Vote Count - Searchable Archives (EinkaufR43(a)aol.com) 10. Re: Vote Count - Searchable Archives (Louis Remmers) 11. Re: horse is already out ... (W David Scobie) 12. mast clearance (Tom Jenkins) 13. Re: attention: Doug Kelch (douglas kelch) 14. Re: mast clearance (W David Scobie) 15. Re: mast clearance (Tom Jenkins) 16. Re: Vote Count - Searchable Archives (Nebwest2(a)aol.com) 17. Re: Vote Count - Searchable Archives (Shawn Boles) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 12:02:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Flickasf <flickasf(a)aol.com> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: attention: Doug Kelch Message-ID: <8CED9810B1BB38E-1F8C-3E6C(a)webmail-m126.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I just read an old post that you decided to change your rig on your M 15 after sailing Dick's sun cat. This peaked my interest because I am now the owner of sun cat #16, just a few hull number before Dick's. I was at Havasau in 2011 and 2010 with my 15, Zephyr, and we met in 2011 while eating breakfast. I had not met Dick at the time. Since then he's helped me with my rigging questions as well as giving me an old sail which was much better than the one that came with the cat. I sold my M 15, and have my Flicka for sale because I had spinal fusion and wanted to avoid future problems if possible. It's a small world. Fair winds, Bert Felton flickasf(a)aol.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 09:23:18 -0700 (PDT) From: W David Scobie <wdscobie(a)yahoo.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: attention: Doug Kelch Message-ID: <1332778998.32809.YahooMailClassic(a)web162704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 selling either of your boats, bert, must be a REALLY hard thing ... both are such well built and well designed craft. hope you are feelng better after going through the surgery. :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.com --- On Mon, 3/26/12, Flickasf <flickasf(a)aol.com> wrote: > I just read an old post that you > decided to change your rig on your M 15 after sailing Dick's > sun cat.? This peaked my interest because I am now the > owner of sun cat #16, just a few hull number before > Dick's.? > > I was at Havasau in 2011 and 2010 with my 15, Zephyr, and we > met in 2011 while eating breakfast.? I had not met Dick > at the time.? Since then he's helped me with my rigging > questions as well as giving me an old sail which was much > better than the one that came with the cat. > > I sold my M 15, and have my Flicka for sale because I had > spinal fusion and wanted to avoid future problems if > possible. > > It's a small world. > > Fair winds, > > > Bert Felton > flickasf(a)aol.com > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 10:31:32 -0600 From: "Keith Diehl" <kdiehl(a)xmission.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Vote Count - Searchable Archives Message-ID: <9A035743259046EBA306DB18B142672E@kyzyl> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response I've got 17.5 votes for open archives and 1.5 votes against. Anyone else want to weigh in before I decide to opent the archives and enable the search engine? Keith Diehl Cottonwood Heights, UT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Diehl" <kdiehl(a)xmission.com> To: "Montgomery Boats List" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 1:52 PM Subject: M_Boats: Searchable Archives > In the past, some members were very concerned that their postings were > readable by non-members, so I closed the archives to public viewing and > cancelled our searchable archives. I never quite understood the concern, > since anyone can join the mailing and then read everything old and new, > but > that was what was wanted. > > The question of searchable archives has come up again, so I'll ask the > membership: > > Would you like to have searchable archives if it means the archives are > readable by anyone on the internet, including search engines? > > As an example of what we could have, here is the main Lurker search engine > page for Xmission hosted public lists; > > http://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/splash/index.en.html > > Keith Diehl > Cottonwood Heights, UT > > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 10:12:55 -0700 From: Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Vote Count - Searchable Archives Message-ID: <BLU162-W4756D4200CE0081A7C8C3AB7450(a)phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Keith....my concern is a computer-bot program that will be data mining all of our email addresses and other information. Is there anyway you could put a human required firewall question up front so a rogue program would be stopped before entering? Much like tinypic.com does before you download a photo. They give you a script to type into a box to make sure you're not a machine that is data mining. If you can't protect our email addresses from this, I would ask that you remove my information that has my email addresses attached. What is so hard about requiring a simple sign up (a bot program could not sign up) before accessing information? I feel already that GOOGLE and other search engines that are already tied to YouTube and Facebook data mine too much information. I get these POP UPs, web ads and rogue emails constantly. Anyway to protect our email addresses Keith? Thanks Bob > From: kdiehl(a)xmission.com > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 10:31:32 -0600 > Subject: M_Boats: Vote Count - Searchable Archives > > I've got 17.5 votes for open archives and 1.5 votes against. > > Anyone else want to weigh in before I decide to opent the archives and > enable the search engine? > > Keith Diehl > Cottonwood Heights, UT > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Keith Diehl" <kdiehl(a)xmission.com> > To: "Montgomery Boats List" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 1:52 PM > Subject: M_Boats: Searchable Archives > > > > In the past, some members were very concerned that their postings were > > readable by non-members, so I closed the archives to public viewing and > > cancelled our searchable archives. I never quite understood the concern, > > since anyone can join the mailing and then read everything old and new, > > but > > that was what was wanted. > > > > The question of searchable archives has come up again, so I'll ask the > > membership: > > > > Would you like to have searchable archives if it means the archives are > > readable by anyone on the internet, including search engines? > > > > As an example of what we could have, here is the main Lurker search engine > > page for Xmission hosted public lists; > > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/splash/index.en.html > > > > Keith Diehl > > Cottonwood Heights, UT > > > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 17:10:07 +0000 From: Bob From California <ocean37(a)hotmail.com> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Vote Count - Searchable Archives Message-ID: <BLU166-W552DB0AEC455721C1011BAD450(a)phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Keith....my concern is a computer-bot program that will be data mining all of our email addresses and other information. Is there anyway you could put a human required firewall question up front so a rogue program would be stopped before entering? Much like tinypic.com does before you download a photo. They give you a script to type into a box to make sure you're not a machine that is data mining. If you can't protect our email addresses from this, I would ask that you remove my information that has my email addresses attached. What is so hard about requiring a simple sign up (a bot program could not sign up) before accessing information? I feel already that GOOGLE and other search engines that are already tied to YouTube and Facebook data mine too much information. I get these POP UPs, web ads and rogue emails constantly. Anyway to protect our email addresses Keith? Thanks Bob > From: kdiehl(a)xmission.com > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 10:31:32 -0600 > Subject: M_Boats: Vote Count - Searchable Archives > > I've got 17.5 votes for open archives and 1.5 votes against. > > Anyone else want to weigh in before I decide to opent the archives and > enable the search engine? > > Keith Diehl > Cottonwood Heights, UT > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Keith Diehl" <kdiehl(a)xmission.com> > To: "Montgomery Boats List" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 1:52 PM > Subject: M_Boats: Searchable Archives > > > > In the past, some members were very concerned that their postings were > > readable by non-members, so I closed the archives to public viewing and > > cancelled our searchable archives. I never quite understood the concern, > > since anyone can join the mailing and then read everything old and new, > > but > > that was what was wanted. > > > > The question of searchable archives has come up again, so I'll ask the > > membership: > > > > Would you like to have searchable archives if it means the archives are > > readable by anyone on the internet, including search engines? > > > > As an example of what we could have, here is the main Lurker search engine > > page for Xmission hosted public lists; > > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/splash/index.en.html > > > > Keith Diehl > > Cottonwood Heights, UT > > > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 17:47:15 +0000 From: kpkasriel(a)gmail.com To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Vote Count - Searchable Archives Message-ID: <639208483-1332784026-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1563196385-@b 11.c1.bise6.blackberry> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" I vote for open searchable archives. Paul Kasriel "Reef-or-Madness" 2005 M-17 Sturgeon Bay, Wisconsin Sent from my U.S. Cellular BlackBerry? smartphone -----Original Message----- From: "Keith Diehl" <kdiehl(a)xmission.com> Sender: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 10:31:32 To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Reply-To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Vote Count - Searchable Archives I've got 17.5 votes for open archives and 1.5 votes against. Anyone else want to weigh in before I decide to opent the archives and enable the search engine? Keith Diehl Cottonwood Heights, UT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Diehl" <kdiehl(a)xmission.com> To: "Montgomery Boats List" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 1:52 PM Subject: M_Boats: Searchable Archives > In the past, some members were very concerned that their postings were > readable by non-members, so I closed the archives to public viewing and > cancelled our searchable archives. I never quite understood the concern, > since anyone can join the mailing and then read everything old and new, > but > that was what was wanted. > > The question of searchable archives has come up again, so I'll ask the > membership: > > Would you like to have searchable archives if it means the archives are > readable by anyone on the internet, including search engines? > > As an example of what we could have, here is the main Lurker search engine > page for Xmission hosted public lists; > > http://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/splash/index.en.html > > Keith Diehl > Cottonwood Heights, UT > > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 11:49:41 -0600 From: "Keith Diehl" <kdiehl(a)xmission.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Vote Count - Searchable Archives Message-ID: <72525A297614451A861CA1110224D063@kyzyl> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Bob, I understand your concern, but our email addresses are already available all over the net. Yours appears on your web site, trailersailer.com, and lots of other locations as shown by a quick google search. As the saying goes, the horse is already out of the barn. In your mail program setup, you are asked for a name and an email address. The information is displayed in mail headers as "name" <email(a)address.xxx>. For example, From: "Keith Diehl" <kdiehl(a)xmission.com>, or From: "Bob Eeg" <montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com>. It appears that the Lurker search program only displays the email name and not the address, but I'm not going to say that email addresses might not be exposed now or in the future. It's the internet! Keith Diehl Cottonwood Heights, UT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Eeg" <montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com> <<<---------- JUST LIKE THIS To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 11:12 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Vote Count - Searchable Archives Keith....my concern is a computer-bot program that will be data mining all of our email addresses and other information. Is there anyway you could put a human required firewall question up front so a rogue program would be stopped before entering? Much like tinypic.com does before you download a photo. They give you a script to type into a box to make sure you're not a machine that is data mining. If you can't protect our email addresses from this, I would ask that you remove my information that has my email addresses attached. What is so hard about requiring a simple sign up (a bot program could not sign up) before accessing information? I feel already that GOOGLE and other search engines that are already tied to YouTube and Facebook data mine too much information. I get these POP UPs, web ads and rogue emails constantly. Anyway to protect our email addresses Keith? Thanks Bob > From: kdiehl(a)xmission.com > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 10:31:32 -0600 > Subject: M_Boats: Vote Count - Searchable Archives > > I've got 17.5 votes for open archives and 1.5 votes against. > > Anyone else want to weigh in before I decide to opent the archives and > enable the search engine? > > Keith Diehl > Cottonwood Heights, UT > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Keith Diehl" <kdiehl(a)xmission.com> > To: "Montgomery Boats List" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 1:52 PM > Subject: M_Boats: Searchable Archives > > > > In the past, some members were very concerned that their postings were > > readable by non-members, so I closed the archives to public viewing and > > cancelled our searchable archives. I never quite understood the concern, > > since anyone can join the mailing and then read everything old and new, > > but > > that was what was wanted. > > > > The question of searchable archives has come up again, so I'll ask the > > membership: > > > > Would you like to have searchable archives if it means the archives are > > readable by anyone on the internet, including search engines? > > > > As an example of what we could have, here is the main Lurker search > > engine > > page for Xmission hosted public lists; > > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/splash/index.en.html > > > > Keith Diehl > > Cottonwood Heights, UT > > > > > > = ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 11:01:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Stan Susman <stanpfa(a)pacbell.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Vote Count - Searchable Archives Message-ID: <1332784898.38455.YahooMailNeo(a)web80502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I most definitely vote for open archives, in aviation it's the #1 biggest item that helps the longevity, popularity, repair ability , and therefore resell ability of a design. ?? Stan ________________________________ From: Keith Diehl <kdiehl(a)xmission.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 9:31 AM Subject: M_Boats: Vote Count - Searchable Archives I've got 17.5 votes for open archives and 1.5 votes against. Anyone else want to weigh in before I decide to opent the archives and enable the search engine? Keith Diehl Cottonwood Heights, UT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Diehl" <kdiehl(a)xmission.com> To: "Montgomery Boats List" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 1:52 PM Subject: M_Boats: Searchable Archives > In the past, some members were very concerned that their postings were > readable by non-members, so I closed the archives to public viewing and > cancelled our searchable archives.? I never quite understood the concern, > since anyone can join the mailing and then read everything old and new, but > that was what was wanted. > > The question of searchable archives has come up again, so I'll ask the > membership: > > Would you like to have searchable archives if it means the archives are > readable by anyone on the internet, including search engines? > > As an example of what we could have, here is the main Lurker search engine page for Xmission hosted public lists; > > http://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/splash/index.en.html > > Keith Diehl > Cottonwood Heights, UT > > ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 14:02:05 -0400 (EDT) From: EinkaufR43(a)aol.com To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Vote Count - Searchable Archives Message-ID: <27803.7d6d3cba.3ca2091d(a)aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Keith; When I got around to thinking little sailboat, back in 2006, it was a comparo between the M-15 and the Compac 16 that got me really going. The archives helped to easily decide in favor of a Monty, and also how to get her in shape. Yes, yet another vote for archives! And thanks! Ron in Michigan, where the Morels are coming early this year! M-15 #249 In a message dated 3/26/2012 12:31:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kdiehl(a)xmission.com writes: I've got 17.5 votes for open archives and 1.5 votes against. Anyone else want to weigh in before I decide to opent the archives and enable the search engine? Keith Diehl Cottonwood Heights, UT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Diehl" <kdiehl(a)xmission.com> To: "Montgomery Boats List" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 1:52 PM Subject: M_Boats: Searchable Archives > In the past, some members were very concerned that their postings were > readable by non-members, so I closed the archives to public viewing and > cancelled our searchable archives. I never quite understood the concern, > since anyone can join the mailing and then read everything old and new, > but > that was what was wanted. > > The question of searchable archives has come up again, so I'll ask the > membership: > > Would you like to have searchable archives if it means the archives are > readable by anyone on the internet, including search engines? > > As an example of what we could have, here is the main Lurker search engine > page for Xmission hosted public lists; > > http://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/splash/index.en.html > > Keith Diehl > Cottonwood Heights, UT > > ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 11:12:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Louis Remmers <louremmers(a)yahoo.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Vote Count - Searchable Archives Message-ID: <1332785552.15240.YahooMailClassic(a)web161002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I vote OPEN --- On Mon, 3/26/12, Keith Diehl <kdiehl(a)xmission.com> wrote: From: Keith Diehl <kdiehl(a)xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Vote Count - Searchable Archives To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Date: Monday, March 26, 2012, 11:31 AM I've got 17.5 votes for open archives and 1.5 votes against. Anyone else want to weigh in before I decide to opent the archives and enable the search engine? Keith Diehl Cottonwood Heights, UT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Diehl" <kdiehl(a)xmission.com> To: "Montgomery Boats List" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 1:52 PM Subject: M_Boats: Searchable Archives > In the past, some members were very concerned that their postings were > readable by non-members, so I closed the archives to public viewing and > cancelled our searchable archives.? I never quite understood the concern, > since anyone can join the mailing and then read everything old and new, but > that was what was wanted. > > The question of searchable archives has come up again, so I'll ask the > membership: > > Would you like to have searchable archives if it means the archives are > readable by anyone on the internet, including search engines? > > As an example of what we could have, here is the main Lurker search engine page for Xmission hosted public lists; > > http://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/splash/index.en.html > > Keith Diehl > Cottonwood Heights, UT > > ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 11:13:21 -0700 (PDT) From: W David Scobie <wdscobie(a)yahoo.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: horse is already out ... Message-ID: <1332785601.86418.YahooMailClassic(a)web162703.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > I feel already that GOOGLE and other search engines > that are already tied to YouTube and Facebook data > mine too much information. GOOGLE and Facebook and YouTube DO mine information. an example is GOOGLE and Youtube and Facebook asking your for your phone number as 'security' in case you loose your password.? nope, this is how these companies make money.? remember, there is no free lunch and if you see a 'free' service there IS a catch. > I get these POP UPs, if you get these you likely have a virus.? all current browsers have blocking abilities (unless you don't have them activated).? i see no popups in my browsing and have my computers set so 'tight' that the places the do need a popup to do something i want must ask for a site & time specific approval from me to show the page/data. > the horse is already out of the barn. the only way to have zero spam is to have no www-presence? ... as in you you are never on the www from your own home, don't have facebook nor youtube accounts, and have NO email (etc). my home phone and cell phone are 'unlisted'.? i still get 'spam' phone calls because robo dialers just 'call' every number in a sequence.? 'robo' emailers do the same thing and just send out email to all available address combinations. :: Dave Scobie :: Sage Marine --- On Mon, 3/26/12, Keith Diehl <kdiehl(a)xmission.com> wrote: > > Bob, I understand your concern, but > our email addresses are already available all over the > net.? Yours appears on your web site, > trailersailer.com, and lots of other locations as shown by a > quick google search. As the saying goes, the horse is > already out of the barn. > > In your mail program setup, you are asked for a name and an > email address. The information is displayed in mail headers > as > "name" <email(a)address.xxx>. > For example, From: "Keith Diehl" <kdiehl(a)xmission.com>, > or > From: "Bob Eeg" <montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com>. > It appears that the Lurker search program only displays the > email name and not the address, but I'm not going to say > that email addresses might not be exposed now or in the > future. It's the internet! > > > Keith Diehl > Cottonwood Heights, UT > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Eeg" <montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com>? > ???<<<---------- JUST LIKE THIS > To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 11:12 AM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Vote Count - Searchable Archives > > > > Keith....my concern is a computer-bot program that will be > data mining all of our email addresses and other > information. > > Is there anyway you could put a human required firewall > question up front so a rogue program would be stopped before > entering? > Much like tinypic.com does before you download a photo. They > give you a script to type into a box to make sure you're not > a machine that > is data mining. If you can't protect our email addresses > from this, I would ask that you remove my information that > has my email addresses attached. > > What is so hard about requiring a simple sign up (a bot > program could not sign up) before accessing information? > > I feel already that GOOGLE and other search engines that are > already tied to YouTube and Facebook data mine too much > information. I get these POP UPs, web ads and rogue emails > constantly. > > Anyway to protect our email addresses Keith? > > Thanks > Bob > > > > > From: kdiehl(a)xmission.com > > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 10:31:32 -0600 > > Subject: M_Boats: Vote Count - Searchable Archives > > > > I've got 17.5 votes for open archives and 1.5 votes > against. > > > > Anyone else want to weigh in before I decide to opent > the archives and > > enable the search engine? > > > > Keith Diehl > > Cottonwood Heights, UT > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Diehl" <kdiehl(a)xmission.com> > > To: "Montgomery Boats List" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 1:52 PM > > Subject: M_Boats: Searchable Archives > > > > > > > In the past, some members were very concerned that > their postings were > > > readable by non-members, so I closed the archives > to public viewing and > > > cancelled our searchable archives. I never quite > understood the concern, > > > since anyone can join the mailing and then read > everything old and new, > > > but > > > that was what was wanted. > > > > > > The question of searchable archives has come up > again, so I'll ask the > > > membership: > > > > > > Would you like to have searchable archives if it > means the archives are > > > readable by anyone on the internet, including > search engines? > > > > > > As an example of what we could have, here is the > main Lurker search > engine > > > page for Xmission hosted public lists; > > > > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/splash/index.en.html > > > > > > Keith Diehl > > > Cottonwood Heights, UT > > > > > > > > > > > ? ? ? = > > ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 11:21:59 -0700 From: Tom Jenkins <tjenk(a)gte.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: mast clearance Message-ID: <1AD16BCA-ACB5-40C8-B022-E7ACF3F5D8AF(a)gte.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I probably should know this from past posts, but what is the mast clearance on a late-model M-17? Finally I have a bridge to worry about. Tom Jenkins 2004 M17 Scintilla ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 11:23:44 -0700 From: douglas kelch <doug1kelch(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: attention: Doug Kelch Message-ID: <CAFLA6Db0+ZzcVsY913aDxJTFawU2+MA1soNfHOnz5CkmigBGaA(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Bert, Sorry to hear about your spinal surgery but I hope it helped. I had done the design for converting the M15 to a Gaff Cutter but was reluctant to actually make the modification for fear of having abominable pointing ability. Frank Durant from Ontario brought his Sun Cat on a weeklong cruise with 8 Montgomery boats. There were 3 or 4 M17s and 3 or 4 M15s. Frank Durant is an extremely good sailor and so were some of the M17 sailors. The Sun Cat was always right up there with the best of the M17s ( we were just cruising but...) Frank and I traded boats for an afternoon. The Sun Cat could actually point as high or higher than the M15. The conditions were 10 kts gusting to 20 kts. The Sun Cat would take on the strong gusts with a slight change in the heeling angle while the M15 was doing it's dinghy thing. In discussing the pointing ability with Frank he enlightened me on the tuneability of the gaff sail. The usual out haul and down haul but it also has the location of the gaff halyard and the gaff out haul which give you far more ability to tune it than the standard M15 rig. If you know what you are doing it can make an amazing difference. Howard Rice believes that the gaff cutter is the best rig for small cruising boats. Paul Garthsides believes that the gaff cutter has a bad rap because they are usually seen on old heavy long keeled boats. Paul believes that if you put a well designed gaff cutter rig on a modern hull that you will be surprised at the performance. Paul designed and built an exquisite little 23 foot gaff cutter for his own use. The Sun Cat's windward performance sealed the deal and I went ahead with the conversion. I am very happy with the performance results. I may have lost a degree or two of pointing ability but this may be due to the skipper and not the rig. I am still learning it's subtleties. Thanks Doug On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 9:23 AM, W David Scobie <wdscobie(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > selling either of your boats, bert, must be a REALLY hard thing ... both > are such well built and well designed craft. hope you are feelng better > after going through the surgery. > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com > :: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.com > > --- On Mon, 3/26/12, Flickasf <flickasf(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > I just read an old post that you > > decided to change your rig on your M 15 after sailing Dick's > > sun cat. This peaked my interest because I am now the > > owner of sun cat #16, just a few hull number before > > Dick's. > > > > I was at Havasau in 2011 and 2010 with my 15, Zephyr, and we > > met in 2011 while eating breakfast. I had not met Dick > > at the time. Since then he's helped me with my rigging > > questions as well as giving me an old sail which was much > > better than the one that came with the cat. > > > > I sold my M 15, and have my Flicka for sale because I had > > spinal fusion and wanted to avoid future problems if > > possible. > > > > It's a small world. > > > > Fair winds, > > > > > > Bert Felton > > flickasf(a)aol.com > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 11:34:11 -0700 (PDT) From: W David Scobie <wdscobie(a)yahoo.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: mast clearance Message-ID: <1332786851.660.YahooMailClassic(a)web162706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 tom: measure your mast and add four feet. this will give you a couple of 'extra' inches of 'for sure' clearance. some details here (but you still need to measure your mast to confirm length) - http://www.msog.org/specs/mast_height.cfm :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.com --- On Mon, 3/26/12, Tom Jenkins <tjenk(a)gte.net> wrote: > > I probably should know this from past > posts, but what is the mast clearance on a late-model > M-17?? Finally I have a bridge to worry about. > > Tom Jenkins > 2004 M17 Scintilla > ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 11:47:04 -0700 From: Tom Jenkins <tjenk(a)gte.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: mast clearance Message-ID: <9EEBD4AB-649A-40FB-BDDD-8A11A51E8072(a)gte.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Thanks, Dave. I seemed to remember adding something like 5 feet to the mast height, but I am a little psycho about avoiding that sickening "crunch". Tom On Mar 26, 2012, at 11:34 AM, W David Scobie wrote: > tom: > > measure your mast and add four feet. this will give you a couple of 'extra' inches of 'for sure' clearance. > > some details here (but you still need to measure your mast to confirm length) - > > http://www.msog.org/specs/mast_height.cfm > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com > :: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.com > > --- On Mon, 3/26/12, Tom Jenkins <tjenk(a)gte.net> wrote: >> >> I probably should know this from past >> posts, but what is the mast clearance on a late-model >> M-17? Finally I have a bridge to worry about. >> >> Tom Jenkins >> 2004 M17 Scintilla >> > ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 15:48:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Nebwest2(a)aol.com To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Vote Count - Searchable Archives Message-ID: <348a9.10a1f53f.3ca2220a(a)aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" OPEN!, OPEN! , OPEN!...... LOL :-) ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 13:35:00 -0700 From: Shawn Boles <shawn(a)ori.org> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Vote Count - Searchable Archives Message-ID: <2D03CD740899554D884FCF78BD8DCBCC348EAD654F(a)Exmail1.ori-eug.ori.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi: Open archives please. They helped me sell my 17. cheers, Shawn Boles Grey Mist (M17 #276 1978) Going to a new home on the Columbia River. -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+shawn=ori.org(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+shawn=ori.org@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of EinkaufR43(a)aol.com Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 11:02 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Vote Count - Searchable Archives Keith; When I got around to thinking little sailboat, back in 2006, it was a comparo between the M-15 and the Compac 16 that got me really going. The archives helped to easily decide in favor of a Monty, and also how to get her in shape. Yes, yet another vote for archives! And thanks! Ron in Michigan, where the Morels are coming early this year! M-15 #249 In a message dated 3/26/2012 12:31:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kdiehl(a)xmission.com writes: I've got 17.5 votes for open archives and 1.5 votes against. Anyone else want to weigh in before I decide to opent the archives and enable the search engine? Keith Diehl Cottonwood Heights, UT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Diehl" <kdiehl(a)xmission.com> To: "Montgomery Boats List" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 1:52 PM Subject: M_Boats: Searchable Archives > In the past, some members were very concerned that their postings were > readable by non-members, so I closed the archives to public viewing and > cancelled our searchable archives. I never quite understood the concern, > since anyone can join the mailing and then read everything old and new, > but > that was what was wanted. > > The question of searchable archives has come up again, so I'll ask the > membership: > > Would you like to have searchable archives if it means the archives are > readable by anyone on the internet, including search engines? > > As an example of what we could have, here is the main Lurker search engine > page for Xmission hosted public lists; > > http://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/splash/index.en.html > > Keith Diehl > Cottonwood Heights, UT > > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 109, Issue 22 *************************************************

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Re: M_Boats: Vote Count - Searchable Archives
by EinkaufR43＠aol.com 26 Mar '12

26 Mar '12

Keith; When I got around to thinking little sailboat, back in 2006, it was a comparo between the M-15 and the Compac 16 that got me really going. The archives helped to easily decide in favor of a Monty, and also how to get her in shape. Yes, yet another vote for archives! And thanks! Ron in Michigan, where the Morels are coming early this year! M-15 #249 In a message dated 3/26/2012 12:31:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kdiehl(a)xmission.com writes: I've got 17.5 votes for open archives and 1.5 votes against. Anyone else want to weigh in before I decide to opent the archives and enable the search engine? Keith Diehl Cottonwood Heights, UT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Diehl" <kdiehl(a)xmission.com> To: "Montgomery Boats List" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 1:52 PM Subject: M_Boats: Searchable Archives > In the past, some members were very concerned that their postings were > readable by non-members, so I closed the archives to public viewing and > cancelled our searchable archives. I never quite understood the concern, > since anyone can join the mailing and then read everything old and new, > but > that was what was wanted. > > The question of searchable archives has come up again, so I'll ask the > membership: > > Would you like to have searchable archives if it means the archives are > readable by anyone on the internet, including search engines? > > As an example of what we could have, here is the main Lurker search engine > page for Xmission hosted public lists; > > http://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/splash/index.en.html > > Keith Diehl > Cottonwood Heights, UT > >

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Re: M_Boats: open archives
by jdesnoyers＠cox.net 26 Mar '12

26 Mar '12

Open please Jim Desnoyers Ketchum, ID ----- Reply message ----- From: montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 109, Issue 22 Date: Mon, Mar 26, 2012 2:35 pm Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. attention: Doug Kelch (Flickasf) 2. Re: attention: Doug Kelch (W David Scobie) 3. Vote Count - Searchable Archives (Keith Diehl) 4. Re: Vote Count - Searchable Archives (Bob Eeg) 5. Re: Vote Count - Searchable Archives (Bob From California) 6. Re: Vote Count - Searchable Archives (kpkasriel(a)gmail.com) 7. Re: Vote Count - Searchable Archives (Keith Diehl) 8. Re: Vote Count - Searchable Archives (Stan Susman) 9. Re: Vote Count - Searchable Archives (EinkaufR43(a)aol.com) 10. Re: Vote Count - Searchable Archives (Louis Remmers) 11. Re: horse is already out ... (W David Scobie) 12. mast clearance (Tom Jenkins) 13. Re: attention: Doug Kelch (douglas kelch) 14. Re: mast clearance (W David Scobie) 15. Re: mast clearance (Tom Jenkins) 16. Re: Vote Count - Searchable Archives (Nebwest2(a)aol.com) 17. Re: Vote Count - Searchable Archives (Shawn Boles) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 12:02:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Flickasf <flickasf(a)aol.com> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: attention: Doug Kelch Message-ID: <8CED9810B1BB38E-1F8C-3E6C(a)webmail-m126.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I just read an old post that you decided to change your rig on your M 15 after sailing Dick's sun cat. This peaked my interest because I am now the owner of sun cat #16, just a few hull number before Dick's. I was at Havasau in 2011 and 2010 with my 15, Zephyr, and we met in 2011 while eating breakfast. I had not met Dick at the time. Since then he's helped me with my rigging questions as well as giving me an old sail which was much better than the one that came with the cat. I sold my M 15, and have my Flicka for sale because I had spinal fusion and wanted to avoid future problems if possible. It's a small world. Fair winds, Bert Felton flickasf(a)aol.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 09:23:18 -0700 (PDT) From: W David Scobie <wdscobie(a)yahoo.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: attention: Doug Kelch Message-ID: <1332778998.32809.YahooMailClassic(a)web162704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 selling either of your boats, bert, must be a REALLY hard thing ... both are such well built and well designed craft. hope you are feelng better after going through the surgery. :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.com --- On Mon, 3/26/12, Flickasf <flickasf(a)aol.com> wrote: > I just read an old post that you > decided to change your rig on your M 15 after sailing Dick's > sun cat.? This peaked my interest because I am now the > owner of sun cat #16, just a few hull number before > Dick's.? > > I was at Havasau in 2011 and 2010 with my 15, Zephyr, and we > met in 2011 while eating breakfast.? I had not met Dick > at the time.? Since then he's helped me with my rigging > questions as well as giving me an old sail which was much > better than the one that came with the cat. > > I sold my M 15, and have my Flicka for sale because I had > spinal fusion and wanted to avoid future problems if > possible. > > It's a small world. > > Fair winds, > > > Bert Felton > flickasf(a)aol.com > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 10:31:32 -0600 From: "Keith Diehl" <kdiehl(a)xmission.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Vote Count - Searchable Archives Message-ID: <9A035743259046EBA306DB18B142672E@kyzyl> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response I've got 17.5 votes for open archives and 1.5 votes against. Anyone else want to weigh in before I decide to opent the archives and enable the search engine? Keith Diehl Cottonwood Heights, UT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Diehl" <kdiehl(a)xmission.com> To: "Montgomery Boats List" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 1:52 PM Subject: M_Boats: Searchable Archives > In the past, some members were very concerned that their postings were > readable by non-members, so I closed the archives to public viewing and > cancelled our searchable archives. I never quite understood the concern, > since anyone can join the mailing and then read everything old and new, > but > that was what was wanted. > > The question of searchable archives has come up again, so I'll ask the > membership: > > Would you like to have searchable archives if it means the archives are > readable by anyone on the internet, including search engines? > > As an example of what we could have, here is the main Lurker search engine > page for Xmission hosted public lists; > > http://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/splash/index.en.html > > Keith Diehl > Cottonwood Heights, UT > > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 10:12:55 -0700 From: Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Vote Count - Searchable Archives Message-ID: <BLU162-W4756D4200CE0081A7C8C3AB7450(a)phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Keith....my concern is a computer-bot program that will be data mining all of our email addresses and other information. Is there anyway you could put a human required firewall question up front so a rogue program would be stopped before entering? Much like tinypic.com does before you download a photo. They give you a script to type into a box to make sure you're not a machine that is data mining. If you can't protect our email addresses from this, I would ask that you remove my information that has my email addresses attached. What is so hard about requiring a simple sign up (a bot program could not sign up) before accessing information? I feel already that GOOGLE and other search engines that are already tied to YouTube and Facebook data mine too much information. I get these POP UPs, web ads and rogue emails constantly. Anyway to protect our email addresses Keith? Thanks Bob > From: kdiehl(a)xmission.com > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 10:31:32 -0600 > Subject: M_Boats: Vote Count - Searchable Archives > > I've got 17.5 votes for open archives and 1.5 votes against. > > Anyone else want to weigh in before I decide to opent the archives and > enable the search engine? > > Keith Diehl > Cottonwood Heights, UT > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Keith Diehl" <kdiehl(a)xmission.com> > To: "Montgomery Boats List" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 1:52 PM > Subject: M_Boats: Searchable Archives > > > > In the past, some members were very concerned that their postings were > > readable by non-members, so I closed the archives to public viewing and > > cancelled our searchable archives. I never quite understood the concern, > > since anyone can join the mailing and then read everything old and new, > > but > > that was what was wanted. > > > > The question of searchable archives has come up again, so I'll ask the > > membership: > > > > Would you like to have searchable archives if it means the archives are > > readable by anyone on the internet, including search engines? > > > > As an example of what we could have, here is the main Lurker search engine > > page for Xmission hosted public lists; > > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/splash/index.en.html > > > > Keith Diehl > > Cottonwood Heights, UT > > > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 17:10:07 +0000 From: Bob From California <ocean37(a)hotmail.com> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Vote Count - Searchable Archives Message-ID: <BLU166-W552DB0AEC455721C1011BAD450(a)phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Keith....my concern is a computer-bot program that will be data mining all of our email addresses and other information. Is there anyway you could put a human required firewall question up front so a rogue program would be stopped before entering? Much like tinypic.com does before you download a photo. They give you a script to type into a box to make sure you're not a machine that is data mining. If you can't protect our email addresses from this, I would ask that you remove my information that has my email addresses attached. What is so hard about requiring a simple sign up (a bot program could not sign up) before accessing information? I feel already that GOOGLE and other search engines that are already tied to YouTube and Facebook data mine too much information. I get these POP UPs, web ads and rogue emails constantly. Anyway to protect our email addresses Keith? Thanks Bob > From: kdiehl(a)xmission.com > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 10:31:32 -0600 > Subject: M_Boats: Vote Count - Searchable Archives > > I've got 17.5 votes for open archives and 1.5 votes against. > > Anyone else want to weigh in before I decide to opent the archives and > enable the search engine? > > Keith Diehl > Cottonwood Heights, UT > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Keith Diehl" <kdiehl(a)xmission.com> > To: "Montgomery Boats List" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 1:52 PM > Subject: M_Boats: Searchable Archives > > > > In the past, some members were very concerned that their postings were > > readable by non-members, so I closed the archives to public viewing and > > cancelled our searchable archives. I never quite understood the concern, > > since anyone can join the mailing and then read everything old and new, > > but > > that was what was wanted. > > > > The question of searchable archives has come up again, so I'll ask the > > membership: > > > > Would you like to have searchable archives if it means the archives are > > readable by anyone on the internet, including search engines? > > > > As an example of what we could have, here is the main Lurker search engine > > page for Xmission hosted public lists; > > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/splash/index.en.html > > > > Keith Diehl > > Cottonwood Heights, UT > > > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 17:47:15 +0000 From: kpkasriel(a)gmail.com To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Vote Count - Searchable Archives Message-ID: <639208483-1332784026-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1563196385-(a)b11.c1.bise6.blackberry> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" I vote for open searchable archives. Paul Kasriel "Reef-or-Madness" 2005 M-17 Sturgeon Bay, Wisconsin Sent from my U.S. Cellular BlackBerry? smartphone -----Original Message----- From: "Keith Diehl" <kdiehl(a)xmission.com> Sender: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 10:31:32 To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Reply-To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Vote Count - Searchable Archives I've got 17.5 votes for open archives and 1.5 votes against. Anyone else want to weigh in before I decide to opent the archives and enable the search engine? Keith Diehl Cottonwood Heights, UT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Diehl" <kdiehl(a)xmission.com> To: "Montgomery Boats List" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 1:52 PM Subject: M_Boats: Searchable Archives > In the past, some members were very concerned that their postings were > readable by non-members, so I closed the archives to public viewing and > cancelled our searchable archives. I never quite understood the concern, > since anyone can join the mailing and then read everything old and new, > but > that was what was wanted. > > The question of searchable archives has come up again, so I'll ask the > membership: > > Would you like to have searchable archives if it means the archives are > readable by anyone on the internet, including search engines? > > As an example of what we could have, here is the main Lurker search engine > page for Xmission hosted public lists; > > http://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/splash/index.en.html > > Keith Diehl > Cottonwood Heights, UT > > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 11:49:41 -0600 From: "Keith Diehl" <kdiehl(a)xmission.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Vote Count - Searchable Archives Message-ID: <72525A297614451A861CA1110224D063@kyzyl> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Bob, I understand your concern, but our email addresses are already available all over the net. Yours appears on your web site, trailersailer.com, and lots of other locations as shown by a quick google search. As the saying goes, the horse is already out of the barn. In your mail program setup, you are asked for a name and an email address. The information is displayed in mail headers as "name" <email(a)address.xxx>. For example, From: "Keith Diehl" <kdiehl(a)xmission.com>, or From: "Bob Eeg" <montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com>. It appears that the Lurker search program only displays the email name and not the address, but I'm not going to say that email addresses might not be exposed now or in the future. It's the internet! Keith Diehl Cottonwood Heights, UT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Eeg" <montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com> <<<---------- JUST LIKE THIS To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 11:12 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Vote Count - Searchable Archives Keith....my concern is a computer-bot program that will be data mining all of our email addresses and other information. Is there anyway you could put a human required firewall question up front so a rogue program would be stopped before entering? Much like tinypic.com does before you download a photo. They give you a script to type into a box to make sure you're not a machine that is data mining. If you can't protect our email addresses from this, I would ask that you remove my information that has my email addresses attached. What is so hard about requiring a simple sign up (a bot program could not sign up) before accessing information? I feel already that GOOGLE and other search engines that are already tied to YouTube and Facebook data mine too much information. I get these POP UPs, web ads and rogue emails constantly. Anyway to protect our email addresses Keith? Thanks Bob > From: kdiehl(a)xmission.com > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 10:31:32 -0600 > Subject: M_Boats: Vote Count - Searchable Archives > > I've got 17.5 votes for open archives and 1.5 votes against. > > Anyone else want to weigh in before I decide to opent the archives and > enable the search engine? > > Keith Diehl > Cottonwood Heights, UT > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Keith Diehl" <kdiehl(a)xmission.com> > To: "Montgomery Boats List" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 1:52 PM > Subject: M_Boats: Searchable Archives > > > > In the past, some members were very concerned that their postings were > > readable by non-members, so I closed the archives to public viewing and > > cancelled our searchable archives. I never quite understood the concern, > > since anyone can join the mailing and then read everything old and new, > > but > > that was what was wanted. > > > > The question of searchable archives has come up again, so I'll ask the > > membership: > > > > Would you like to have searchable archives if it means the archives are > > readable by anyone on the internet, including search engines? > > > > As an example of what we could have, here is the main Lurker search > > engine > > page for Xmission hosted public lists; > > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/splash/index.en.html > > > > Keith Diehl > > Cottonwood Heights, UT > > > > > > = ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 11:01:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Stan Susman <stanpfa(a)pacbell.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Vote Count - Searchable Archives Message-ID: <1332784898.38455.YahooMailNeo(a)web80502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I most definitely vote for open archives, in aviation it's the #1 biggest item that helps the longevity, popularity, repair ability , and therefore resell ability of a design. ?? Stan ________________________________ From: Keith Diehl <kdiehl(a)xmission.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 9:31 AM Subject: M_Boats: Vote Count - Searchable Archives I've got 17.5 votes for open archives and 1.5 votes against. Anyone else want to weigh in before I decide to opent the archives and enable the search engine? Keith Diehl Cottonwood Heights, UT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Diehl" <kdiehl(a)xmission.com> To: "Montgomery Boats List" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 1:52 PM Subject: M_Boats: Searchable Archives > In the past, some members were very concerned that their postings were > readable by non-members, so I closed the archives to public viewing and > cancelled our searchable archives.? I never quite understood the concern, > since anyone can join the mailing and then read everything old and new, but > that was what was wanted. > > The question of searchable archives has come up again, so I'll ask the > membership: > > Would you like to have searchable archives if it means the archives are > readable by anyone on the internet, including search engines? > > As an example of what we could have, here is the main Lurker search engine page for Xmission hosted public lists; > > http://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/splash/index.en.html > > Keith Diehl > Cottonwood Heights, UT > > ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 14:02:05 -0400 (EDT) From: EinkaufR43(a)aol.com To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Vote Count - Searchable Archives Message-ID: <27803.7d6d3cba.3ca2091d(a)aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Keith; When I got around to thinking little sailboat, back in 2006, it was a comparo between the M-15 and the Compac 16 that got me really going. The archives helped to easily decide in favor of a Monty, and also how to get her in shape. Yes, yet another vote for archives! And thanks! Ron in Michigan, where the Morels are coming early this year! M-15 #249 In a message dated 3/26/2012 12:31:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kdiehl(a)xmission.com writes: I've got 17.5 votes for open archives and 1.5 votes against. Anyone else want to weigh in before I decide to opent the archives and enable the search engine? Keith Diehl Cottonwood Heights, UT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Diehl" <kdiehl(a)xmission.com> To: "Montgomery Boats List" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 1:52 PM Subject: M_Boats: Searchable Archives > In the past, some members were very concerned that their postings were > readable by non-members, so I closed the archives to public viewing and > cancelled our searchable archives. I never quite understood the concern, > since anyone can join the mailing and then read everything old and new, > but > that was what was wanted. > > The question of searchable archives has come up again, so I'll ask the > membership: > > Would you like to have searchable archives if it means the archives are > readable by anyone on the internet, including search engines? > > As an example of what we could have, here is the main Lurker search engine > page for Xmission hosted public lists; > > http://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/splash/index.en.html > > Keith Diehl > Cottonwood Heights, UT > > ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 11:12:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Louis Remmers <louremmers(a)yahoo.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Vote Count - Searchable Archives Message-ID: <1332785552.15240.YahooMailClassic(a)web161002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I vote OPEN --- On Mon, 3/26/12, Keith Diehl <kdiehl(a)xmission.com> wrote: From: Keith Diehl <kdiehl(a)xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Vote Count - Searchable Archives To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Date: Monday, March 26, 2012, 11:31 AM I've got 17.5 votes for open archives and 1.5 votes against. Anyone else want to weigh in before I decide to opent the archives and enable the search engine? Keith Diehl Cottonwood Heights, UT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Diehl" <kdiehl(a)xmission.com> To: "Montgomery Boats List" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 1:52 PM Subject: M_Boats: Searchable Archives > In the past, some members were very concerned that their postings were > readable by non-members, so I closed the archives to public viewing and > cancelled our searchable archives.? I never quite understood the concern, > since anyone can join the mailing and then read everything old and new, but > that was what was wanted. > > The question of searchable archives has come up again, so I'll ask the > membership: > > Would you like to have searchable archives if it means the archives are > readable by anyone on the internet, including search engines? > > As an example of what we could have, here is the main Lurker search engine page for Xmission hosted public lists; > > http://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/splash/index.en.html > > Keith Diehl > Cottonwood Heights, UT > > ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 11:13:21 -0700 (PDT) From: W David Scobie <wdscobie(a)yahoo.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: horse is already out ... Message-ID: <1332785601.86418.YahooMailClassic(a)web162703.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > I feel already that GOOGLE and other search engines > that are already tied to YouTube and Facebook data > mine too much information. GOOGLE and Facebook and YouTube DO mine information. an example is GOOGLE and Youtube and Facebook asking your for your phone number as 'security' in case you loose your password.? nope, this is how these companies make money.? remember, there is no free lunch and if you see a 'free' service there IS a catch. > I get these POP UPs, if you get these you likely have a virus.? all current browsers have blocking abilities (unless you don't have them activated).? i see no popups in my browsing and have my computers set so 'tight' that the places the do need a popup to do something i want must ask for a site & time specific approval from me to show the page/data. > the horse is already out of the barn. the only way to have zero spam is to have no www-presence? ... as in you you are never on the www from your own home, don't have facebook nor youtube accounts, and have NO email (etc). my home phone and cell phone are 'unlisted'.? i still get 'spam' phone calls because robo dialers just 'call' every number in a sequence.? 'robo' emailers do the same thing and just send out email to all available address combinations. :: Dave Scobie :: Sage Marine --- On Mon, 3/26/12, Keith Diehl <kdiehl(a)xmission.com> wrote: > > Bob, I understand your concern, but > our email addresses are already available all over the > net.? Yours appears on your web site, > trailersailer.com, and lots of other locations as shown by a > quick google search. As the saying goes, the horse is > already out of the barn. > > In your mail program setup, you are asked for a name and an > email address. The information is displayed in mail headers > as > "name" <email(a)address.xxx>. > For example, From: "Keith Diehl" <kdiehl(a)xmission.com>, > or > From: "Bob Eeg" <montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com>. > It appears that the Lurker search program only displays the > email name and not the address, but I'm not going to say > that email addresses might not be exposed now or in the > future. It's the internet! > > > Keith Diehl > Cottonwood Heights, UT > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Eeg" <montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com>? > ???<<<---------- JUST LIKE THIS > To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 11:12 AM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Vote Count - Searchable Archives > > > > Keith....my concern is a computer-bot program that will be > data mining all of our email addresses and other > information. > > Is there anyway you could put a human required firewall > question up front so a rogue program would be stopped before > entering? > Much like tinypic.com does before you download a photo. They > give you a script to type into a box to make sure you're not > a machine that > is data mining. If you can't protect our email addresses > from this, I would ask that you remove my information that > has my email addresses attached. > > What is so hard about requiring a simple sign up (a bot > program could not sign up) before accessing information? > > I feel already that GOOGLE and other search engines that are > already tied to YouTube and Facebook data mine too much > information. I get these POP UPs, web ads and rogue emails > constantly. > > Anyway to protect our email addresses Keith? > > Thanks > Bob > > > > > From: kdiehl(a)xmission.com > > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 10:31:32 -0600 > > Subject: M_Boats: Vote Count - Searchable Archives > > > > I've got 17.5 votes for open archives and 1.5 votes > against. > > > > Anyone else want to weigh in before I decide to opent > the archives and > > enable the search engine? > > > > Keith Diehl > > Cottonwood Heights, UT > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Diehl" <kdiehl(a)xmission.com> > > To: "Montgomery Boats List" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 1:52 PM > > Subject: M_Boats: Searchable Archives > > > > > > > In the past, some members were very concerned that > their postings were > > > readable by non-members, so I closed the archives > to public viewing and > > > cancelled our searchable archives. I never quite > understood the concern, > > > since anyone can join the mailing and then read > everything old and new, > > > but > > > that was what was wanted. > > > > > > The question of searchable archives has come up > again, so I'll ask the > > > membership: > > > > > > Would you like to have searchable archives if it > means the archives are > > > readable by anyone on the internet, including > search engines? > > > > > > As an example of what we could have, here is the > main Lurker search > engine > > > page for Xmission hosted public lists; > > > > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/splash/index.en.html > > > > > > Keith Diehl > > > Cottonwood Heights, UT > > > > > > > > > > > ? ? ? = > > ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 11:21:59 -0700 From: Tom Jenkins <tjenk(a)gte.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: mast clearance Message-ID: <1AD16BCA-ACB5-40C8-B022-E7ACF3F5D8AF(a)gte.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I probably should know this from past posts, but what is the mast clearance on a late-model M-17? Finally I have a bridge to worry about. Tom Jenkins 2004 M17 Scintilla ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 11:23:44 -0700 From: douglas kelch <doug1kelch(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: attention: Doug Kelch Message-ID: <CAFLA6Db0+ZzcVsY913aDxJTFawU2+MA1soNfHOnz5CkmigBGaA(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Bert, Sorry to hear about your spinal surgery but I hope it helped. I had done the design for converting the M15 to a Gaff Cutter but was reluctant to actually make the modification for fear of having abominable pointing ability. Frank Durant from Ontario brought his Sun Cat on a weeklong cruise with 8 Montgomery boats. There were 3 or 4 M17s and 3 or 4 M15s. Frank Durant is an extremely good sailor and so were some of the M17 sailors. The Sun Cat was always right up there with the best of the M17s ( we were just cruising but...) Frank and I traded boats for an afternoon. The Sun Cat could actually point as high or higher than the M15. The conditions were 10 kts gusting to 20 kts. The Sun Cat would take on the strong gusts with a slight change in the heeling angle while the M15 was doing it's dinghy thing. In discussing the pointing ability with Frank he enlightened me on the tuneability of the gaff sail. The usual out haul and down haul but it also has the location of the gaff halyard and the gaff out haul which give you far more ability to tune it than the standard M15 rig. If you know what you are doing it can make an amazing difference. Howard Rice believes that the gaff cutter is the best rig for small cruising boats. Paul Garthsides believes that the gaff cutter has a bad rap because they are usually seen on old heavy long keeled boats. Paul believes that if you put a well designed gaff cutter rig on a modern hull that you will be surprised at the performance. Paul designed and built an exquisite little 23 foot gaff cutter for his own use. The Sun Cat's windward performance sealed the deal and I went ahead with the conversion. I am very happy with the performance results. I may have lost a degree or two of pointing ability but this may be due to the skipper and not the rig. I am still learning it's subtleties. Thanks Doug On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 9:23 AM, W David Scobie <wdscobie(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > selling either of your boats, bert, must be a REALLY hard thing ... both > are such well built and well designed craft. hope you are feelng better > after going through the surgery. > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com > :: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.com > > --- On Mon, 3/26/12, Flickasf <flickasf(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > I just read an old post that you > > decided to change your rig on your M 15 after sailing Dick's > > sun cat. This peaked my interest because I am now the > > owner of sun cat #16, just a few hull number before > > Dick's. > > > > I was at Havasau in 2011 and 2010 with my 15, Zephyr, and we > > met in 2011 while eating breakfast. I had not met Dick > > at the time. Since then he's helped me with my rigging > > questions as well as giving me an old sail which was much > > better than the one that came with the cat. > > > > I sold my M 15, and have my Flicka for sale because I had > > spinal fusion and wanted to avoid future problems if > > possible. > > > > It's a small world. > > > > Fair winds, > > > > > > Bert Felton > > flickasf(a)aol.com > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 11:34:11 -0700 (PDT) From: W David Scobie <wdscobie(a)yahoo.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: mast clearance Message-ID: <1332786851.660.YahooMailClassic(a)web162706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 tom: measure your mast and add four feet. this will give you a couple of 'extra' inches of 'for sure' clearance. some details here (but you still need to measure your mast to confirm length) - http://www.msog.org/specs/mast_height.cfm :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.com --- On Mon, 3/26/12, Tom Jenkins <tjenk(a)gte.net> wrote: > > I probably should know this from past > posts, but what is the mast clearance on a late-model > M-17?? Finally I have a bridge to worry about. > > Tom Jenkins > 2004 M17 Scintilla > ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 11:47:04 -0700 From: Tom Jenkins <tjenk(a)gte.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: mast clearance Message-ID: <9EEBD4AB-649A-40FB-BDDD-8A11A51E8072(a)gte.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Thanks, Dave. I seemed to remember adding something like 5 feet to the mast height, but I am a little psycho about avoiding that sickening "crunch". Tom On Mar 26, 2012, at 11:34 AM, W David Scobie wrote: > tom: > > measure your mast and add four feet. this will give you a couple of 'extra' inches of 'for sure' clearance. > > some details here (but you still need to measure your mast to confirm length) - > > http://www.msog.org/specs/mast_height.cfm > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com > :: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.com > > --- On Mon, 3/26/12, Tom Jenkins <tjenk(a)gte.net> wrote: >> >> I probably should know this from past >> posts, but what is the mast clearance on a late-model >> M-17? Finally I have a bridge to worry about. >> >> Tom Jenkins >> 2004 M17 Scintilla >> > ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 15:48:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Nebwest2(a)aol.com To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Vote Count - Searchable Archives Message-ID: <348a9.10a1f53f.3ca2220a(a)aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" OPEN!, OPEN! , OPEN!...... LOL :-) ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 13:35:00 -0700 From: Shawn Boles <shawn(a)ori.org> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Vote Count - Searchable Archives Message-ID: <2D03CD740899554D884FCF78BD8DCBCC348EAD654F(a)Exmail1.ori-eug.ori.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi: Open archives please. They helped me sell my 17. cheers, Shawn Boles Grey Mist (M17 #276 1978) Going to a new home on the Columbia River. -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+shawn=ori.org(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+shawn=ori.org@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of EinkaufR43(a)aol.com Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 11:02 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Vote Count - Searchable Archives Keith; When I got around to thinking little sailboat, back in 2006, it was a comparo between the M-15 and the Compac 16 that got me really going. The archives helped to easily decide in favor of a Monty, and also how to get her in shape. Yes, yet another vote for archives! And thanks! Ron in Michigan, where the Morels are coming early this year! M-15 #249 In a message dated 3/26/2012 12:31:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kdiehl(a)xmission.com writes: I've got 17.5 votes for open archives and 1.5 votes against. Anyone else want to weigh in before I decide to opent the archives and enable the search engine? Keith Diehl Cottonwood Heights, UT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Diehl" <kdiehl(a)xmission.com> To: "Montgomery Boats List" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 1:52 PM Subject: M_Boats: Searchable Archives > In the past, some members were very concerned that their postings were > readable by non-members, so I closed the archives to public viewing and > cancelled our searchable archives. I never quite understood the concern, > since anyone can join the mailing and then read everything old and new, > but > that was what was wanted. > > The question of searchable archives has come up again, so I'll ask the > membership: > > Would you like to have searchable archives if it means the archives are > readable by anyone on the internet, including search engines? > > As an example of what we could have, here is the main Lurker search engine > page for Xmission hosted public lists; > > http://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/splash/index.en.html > > Keith Diehl > Cottonwood Heights, UT > > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 109, Issue 22 *************************************************

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mast clearance
by Tom Jenkins 26 Mar '12

26 Mar '12

I probably should know this from past posts, but what is the mast clearance on a late-model M-17? Finally I have a bridge to worry about. Tom Jenkins 2004 M17 Scintilla

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Re: M_Boats: Vote Count - Searchable Archives
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 26 Mar '12

26 Mar '12

OPEN!, OPEN! , OPEN!...... LOL :-)

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