March 2012 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Sal and Gail taking on water - HPCC
by Karen and Smiley 10 Mar '12

10 Mar '12

Dave, Thanks for the U-tube link to the tack that Sal and Gail were on when they took on water, can you or maybe Sal explain what happened? I looked at those pictures a few times and can only think that they were caught with air off the stern of that Sailboat they were passing (McGregor) and Sal sitting on the stern of his Monty did not help matters. Man I have never seen anything like that before, a good explanation would be nice. Thanks Dave, Sal or heck Gail who maintained her cool and stuck on the high side the whole ride J Smiley and Karen magoo252(a)comcast.net

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Re: M_Boats: lifeline and stern pulpit questions
by W David Scobie 10 Mar '12

10 Mar '12

> Has anyone found any problems putting > lifelines on M17's IMO for lifelines to be safe(er) they must hit you near the hip. if lower they become more dangerous as they become a trip hazard. most lifeline installs, even on boats larger than our 17s, are unsafe because they are too low. many lifeline installs are designed for an aesthetically pleasing height (which is way to low on our small boats) v. a safe height (which looks REALLY 'tall' on our small boats). installing is not a challenge. use big backing plates as you must create a stanchion base that can support your body weight being thrown at speed into the lifelines, and you/crew holding onto the lifelines while being dragged in the water. if i wanted to increase my 'stay on the boat' security i would install padeyes with good sized stainless backing plates at the foredeck and forward end of the cockpit for use with a jackline system and/or attach a lanyard. another is to put a third and fourth padeyes on the cabin top near the mast so you can use a double lanyard system to go 'on belay' from one connection point to another as you move forward and aft. > get in the way of jibs? use the lower pulpit connection to attach the lifeline so the foredeck is clear for the headsails. you may still 'drag' a little of the headsail's foot (depending on the cut of the sail). > source for making a stern pulpit? you can get a stern pulpit from railmakers - http://www.railmakers.com/ depending on your cockpit locker situation attachment is varying levels of challenge. you need to get someone to the stern of the boat. in my M17 this would require someone to crawl down the starboard quarter berth, and then to go into the port cockpit locker. you also need small hands to attach to the small space between the aft end of the cockpit and transom hull/deck joint. you can reach this space through the stern locker, or need to install an inspection port(s) at on the aft cockpit wall. to do transom work on my M17 i recruited a good friends 10 year old son to crawl into the tight spaces. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.com --- On Sat, 3/10/12, Joe Murphy <seagray(a)embarqmail.com> wrote: > Has anyone found any problems putting > lifelines on M17's to get in the way of jibs? Also, has > anyone found a source for making a stern pulpit? > Joe > SeaFrog M17 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stan Susman > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 12:33 PM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: bow pulpit question > > > One of my 17s had a neat option, the bases were > bedded down in a permanent fashion but the pulpit was > removable from the bases with either pins or bolts, simple > and secure. I'll bet Gary O knows where they came from. > Likely the guys that built the pulpits > > > > ________________________________ > From: Tod <htmills(a)zoominternet.net> > To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 9:27 AM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: bow pulpit question > > If you are only doing it once a year, that sounds > like a great plan! > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com > > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] > On Behalf Of Tom > > Frei > > Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 10:35 AM > > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > Subject: M_Boats: bow pulpit question > > > > Hi all. I have a late 70's M17. I've removed > almost all of my deck > > hardware and will paint the deck and then rebed > everything once the > > weather warms up here in North Dakota. I have an > idea about rebedding > > the bow pulpit that I want to run by people who > know more than I. > > After I removed the bow pulpit, I discovered I > could fit the boat in my > > garage. My idea is > > this: what if I reattached the bow pulpit with > rubber gaskets and the > > normal bolts? This would allow me to remove it > every year and then > > store the boat in my garage. I've already > drilled out the original > > holes, soaked in some epoxy, so I think the > holes are safe from being > > invaded by water. > > The ruber gasket should help too. > > > > Just an idea. Is it a good one, or should I just > rebed the pulpit the > > normal way and look for a bigger garage? > > > > Thanks! >

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bow pulpit question
by Tom Frei 10 Mar '12

10 Mar '12

Hi all. I have a late 70's M17. I've removed almost all of my deck hardware and will paint the deck and then rebed everything once the weather warms up here in North Dakota. I have an idea about rebedding the bow pulpit that I want to run by people who know more than I. After I removed the bow pulpit, I discovered I could fit the boat in my garage. My idea is this: what if I reattached the bow pulpit with rubber gaskets and the normal bolts? This would allow me to remove it every year and then store the boat in my garage. I've already drilled out the original holes, soaked in some epoxy, so I think the holes are safe from being invaded by water. The ruber gasket should help too. Just an idea. Is it a good one, or should I just rebed the pulpit the normal way and look for a bigger garage? Thanks!

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Re: M_Boats: Folsom Lake
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 07 Mar '12

07 Mar '12

Neil, You and all other WrinkleBoat'rs are encouraged to engage in WrinkleBoat Ran-Tan at your whim - and as frequently as possible. Watch for the 2013 WrinkleBoat InterGalactic Championship Regatta and Ran-Tan - January 2013 Lake Pleasant AZ - Stay Tuned. Put this on your calendar. Take Care, Have Fun, Go Sailing ! GO

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Border Run
by ndorf＠surfbest.net 07 Mar '12

07 Mar '12

Best of luck (and of course no discounting skill) to Skipper Sean Mulligan and Crew Larry Yake in Border Run. Man, that sounds like a blast. Go Dauntless Go! Have fun and be safe. -Neil

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Re: M_Boats: Cockpit Scuppers?
by W David Scobie 07 Mar '12

07 Mar '12

Jeff: what you describe is standard M15 setup as designed and built by jerry. > scupper (lanyard hole) is covered > by a piece of varnished teak which > must be bonded somehow to the > cockpit sole. if memory serves the wood bedded and thru-bolted into place . there are teak plugs covering the fastener heads ... Jerry may comment when he sees this posting. the drain works great and will get water out of the cockpit. i never got pooped or knocked down in my M15, but i know people that have and the boat _will_ right herself and will drain the water. remember - as the wind comes up put in the drop-in companionway boards to limit water entry into the cabin. also, if your cockpit lockers are open to the cabin (some are, some are not) make sure you latch these closed as the wind speed increases. see pictures here of M15 taking water into cockpit - http://youtu.be/sO4vrWxDnRI i have no feedback on the 'strainer' system. i never used one on my M15 and never jammed the board due to 'dirt, sand or other items' in the cockpit. :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.com --- On Tue, 3/6/12, Jeffrey Johnston <frjeff(a)gmail.com> wrote: > My scupper (lanyard hole) is covered > by a piece of varnished teak which > must be bonded somehow to the cockpit sole. > The hole therein is not much larger than the lanyard. > > Has this piece of teak been added by a PO perhaps (not > OEM)? And, is the > hole beneath it significantly larger to fit the stainless > "strainers" ? > > Jeff >

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Rigging
by Tom Jenkins 06 Mar '12

06 Mar '12

Just wondering if standing rigging on the the M-17 has always been 5/32", as it seems to be on mine. Tom Jenkins M17 Hull 626

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Re: M_Boats: replacement windows
by Larry E Yake 06 Mar '12

06 Mar '12

Bones, I replaced the plexi-glass windows on CornDog a few years ago, reusing the original frames. After taking them apart I painted the aluminum frames black with a self-etching spray paint. Looks much better, I think, and has lasted well. The plexi itself I had installed into the frames by a local window shop. They did a great job and the cost was very reasonable. Larry On Tue, 6 Mar 2012 13:50:31 GMT "bownez(a)juno.com" <bownez(a)juno.com> writes: > Hi Louis, Did you need to drill out rivets in the original aluminum > frame to remove and install the new plexi-glass?I was going to > replace windows in mine several years ago and I think that stopped > me. Bones1976 M17 #92 > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! > http://www.juno.com/freeemail?refcd=JUTAGOUT1FREM0210 > >

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dimensions for storm jib
by Flickasf 06 Mar '12

06 Mar '12

You can find the dimensions on the Sail Rite web site. I built one of their kits which was like the one I had on a previous M 15. A sail maker made one for my previous M 15. It worked great; we sailed in 25-30 knots of wind with a double reefed main and the storm jib. The boat was well balanced. Bert Felton

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Re: M_Boats: Storm Sail
by W David Scobie 06 Mar '12

06 Mar '12

some folks use a Potter 15 jib as a M15 storm sail. for specific measurement and size options the two sail lofts below know jerry's boats: Harry Pattison at Elliott/Pattison Sailmakers for M15 storm sail options - http://www.epsails.com/contact.htm Judy Blumhorst at Hyde Sails - www.judybsails.com like Mike states, the size and cut of the sail really matters. a good loft, like the ones above, can build a sail that matches your sailing style and cruising location(s). :: Dave Scobie :: Sage Marine --- On Tue, 3/6/12, Michael Murphy <mikeandpaula48(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I have a very small storm sail for my > Monty. The problem that I > encountered with it that the center of effort was moved so > far forward > with it and the main double reefed that I had a neutral or > lee helm > (winds were 24-26 knots). > > I have since had my old jib cut down to about 65% of its > original > size by having 22" cut off the foot (more like 21 1/2 > +/-" at luff > and 22" at leach). With this smaller jib I don't get > the excessive > heeling, but also keep the center of effort is a little > farther back > so the helm feels better. > Mike, "Fionnula" > > On 3/6/12, Frank Brock <FBrock(a)rfmd.com> > wrote: > > Does anybody know the size of a storm sail for a > Monty15. > > > > > >

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