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Cockpit Drains
by Karen Saville 02 Dec '12

02 Dec '12

We have a Montgomery 17, 2006, and when our boat is heeling or motoring the cockpit drains back siphon water into the cockpit. Are these one-way valves? And is it normal to back siphon or are these valves defective? Any help or answers would be appreciated!!! Thanks!

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Trailer tires
by Thornton Wilkinson 02 Dec '12

02 Dec '12

Time has come to replace the tires on my Pacific trailer. Are there any recommendations? Tom M17 Obsessus

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Sculling oar
by Conbert Benneck 01 Dec '12

01 Dec '12

In the November / December issue of WOODEN BOATS, Harry Bryan has a design for a 10 foot long take-apart sculling oar. His oar has a downward bend at the blade that is in the waterto make sculling easier and to add more thrust per stroke. He has an ingenious method of making his oar two-piece and easily stowable. Have a look. It might be just what you need for an M15 or M17. Connie

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Bottom paint
by janisaz＠comcast.net 01 Dec '12

01 Dec '12

We leave our M17 in the water for about 4 months in British Columbia. Does anyone have any info/experience with a clear bottom paint or coating that will prohibit the algae growth but not interfere with the beautiful lines of the boat? Janis Johnson

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Re: M_Boats: Cockpit Drains
by W David Scobie 01 Dec '12

01 Dec '12

Skip and others reading: when Jerry re-tooled the M17 in the early 80s he raised the cockpit floor deck just a bit v. the original cockpit to help avoid water coming in and help water drain faster. this is also when the 'two aft drains' were added v. the single located aft center. Jerry could have raised the the cockit floor a lot higher and ended up with an uncomfortably shallow footwell ... meaning your knees are up by your ears. or, you raise the cockpit seats (and cockpit combings) resulting in more windage. everything is a tradeoff. lots of discussion of solutions to avoid wet feet on this listproc and the trailersailor.com forum. many have installed teak (J.O. Woodworks makes them for the M17) or 'dri-dek' cockpit floor grates. Bob's solution with the seacocks and/or valves on the transom are also valid. i wear boat sandals (when warm) or boots (when cold). each M17 seems to have a bit different 'water in the cockpit' behavior. SWEET PEA (has the 'new' cockpit design) doesn't have much water, but her drains are below the waterline and the stock tubes installed by Jerry were replaced by her prior prior (the person before the person before me) and in a slightly different configuration. (on a side note it is important that the older M17 cockpit drain hoses are check as they are aluminum! as the 'newest' M17 with these drain hoses is at, or past, 20 years old they must be replaced.) in my opinion the 'wet feet' issue is not a fault (i've stated this many times over the years), just a behavior of the M17 (and the M15) in certain situations ... a combination of sea state, boat weight distribution, and how the boat is being driven (motored or sailed; fast or slow). :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred --- On Sat, 12/1/12, William Campion <wcampion(a)aol.com> wrote: > > Dave, > Check your last sentence. It's a good thing you don't > market for Bob! lol > > Skip > > On Dec 1, 2012, at 9:36 AM, W David Scobie <wdscobie(a)yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > what you describe is normal for the M17 in certain > situation, especially when motoring. > > > > i'm guessing you have looked ... Bob has installed > seacocks on some of the 17 cockpit drains. these will > be located in the aft lazarette locker. the seacocks > will stop the water coming in when closed; but water will > not go out if the boat gets pooped or when in rains (one of > those tradeoff things). > > > > others have vales on the transom that will limit, but > not eliminate, water coming through the cockpit drains. > > > > use the contact information on the nor'sea www-site to > contact Bob. he will have a build list that outlines > what items were on the boat when she left the shop. > > > > the best way to limit water entering the cockpit is > making sure you keep weight forward. crew should be > sitting near the cabin/cockpit bulkhead. the person at > the helm should sit just aft of the mainsheet > traveler. don't load heavy items in the aft > lazarette. > > > > with all the above stated you need not worry the boat > will sink ... just wet feet. > > > > > > :: Dave Scobie > > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 12/1/12, Karen Saville <karen.saville(a)yahoo.com> > wrote: > >> > >> We have a Montgomery 17, 2006, and > >> when our boat is heeling or motoring the cockpit > drains back > >> siphon water into the cockpit. Are these > one-way valves? > >> And is it normal to back siphon or are these > valves > >> defective? Any help or answers would be > appreciated!!! > >> Thanks! > >> > > > >

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Re: M_Boats: Cockpit Drains
by bownez＠juno.com 01 Dec '12

01 Dec '12

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