October 2011 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Sailing Tomales with Kestral, Surprise, and a Vagabond 17
by Daniel Rich 16 Oct '11

16 Oct '11

Had a really nice time with Jim, Dan, and Brad yesterday in Tomales Bay. Here is a blog entry and some video if interested… http://danielgrich.users.sonic.net/ Daniel

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M-17
by Mack Warner 15 Oct '11

15 Oct '11

Hi ya'll, Texas thing. At the present time I am not an owner of a Montgomery 17, I have a Ranger 28. I did have a M17 from 75 - 78. The sail number was 64. Had 10 sails, yes 10. I sold it in Austin, Tx and would love to know what happened to it. I do have a video on you tube using the name rf4pilot, The title is sailing montgomery 17 1976 Lake Amistad. Am looking to get back into the big M. Be good to hear from ya. Mack Sent from my iPad

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Re: M_Boats: Sailboat show and other thoughts
by SALGLESSER＠aol.com 04 Oct '11

04 Oct '11

Hi Smiley Karen, Thanx for the tips on improvements to your M15. We ended up making many improvements on our M15 as well. Seems like they always need something. We'll look forward to meeting you in Annapolis. salngail In a message dated 10/1/2011 8:34:32 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, magoo252(a)comcast.net writes: We'll September has been a pretty bad month for sailing here on the Chesapeake bay. Aside from 3 days of sailing the Monty 15 on the Miles River during our vacation we have not gotten out much. What our half dozen outings has shown us are a bunch of improvements we needed to make to Monty #616 model 15 . Trailer Guides were installed and these help us line up the boat on the trailer when retrieving and to me is a MUST have accessory. Tiller extension by ForeSpar. I bought an Ida Sailor tiller and rudder assembly and the tiller was a tad shorter that the OEM tiller it replaced and the extension really allows me to move my weight forward and stand and steer too. A welcome addition and less strain on my shoulder from having to reach so far back. I'd like suggestions on cock pit cushions before I go to the boat show in Annapolis MD for those of you that have bought and installed cushions. We currently sit on our throwable. Replaced the tack of the jib with an "S" bend hook looped into the fitting on the bow. This works great and limits our time setting up the jib and worrying about losing a pin for the clamp which we have already done. Removed the green boot stripe around the hull, hated Green as a color and I like the white hull much better but this required lots off Goof Off adhesive remover but a better looking hull with Red lettering on hull and sails now. Increased the down haul purchase on the main to 3:1 and the out haul on the main to 4:1 and I can get really nice shapes from my Hyde main sail now and this makes downwind adjustments a breeze. Well I thought I share some of these minor yet important changes I have made and now I must resist the temptations of the Annapolis Boat Show next weekend. Going to finally meet Stan, Gail and Dave Scobie at the Sage booth and check out the Sage and hopefully Dave will let us rig and demo sail her after the show. This weekend's forecast is small craft advisories for the whole weekend so it's great that the show is next weekend. Any Monty Folks going to the show, My pal Gary and I will be there on VIP Thursday early AM to get a jump on the crowds. See you there or if you care to meet contact me offline. Thanks Smiley and Karen magoo252(a)comcast.net _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet!

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Re: M_Boats: Sailboat show and other thoughts
by SALGLESSER＠aol.com 02 Oct '11

02 Oct '11

Hi Robbin, We'll look forward to seeing you in Annapolis. salngail In a message dated 10/1/2011 9:14:44 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, robbin.roddewig(a)verizon.net writes: Hi Smiley and Karen, I will second that on rotten weekends. I went out to the marina yesterday afternoon and caught some rare nice weather. I have had a bimini made by Lisa at http://www.mechanicadvisor.com/md/chesapeake-beach/lisas-custom-canvas.aspx and the folks I have talked to say she is very reasonable. We have vinyl cockpit cushions that must be replaced and I will have her work on this. Thanks for sharing your upgrades! I will be at the boat show probably Sat or Sun with my wife (jewelery, sail bag totes are her thing along with the big cats (we like to dream)) and I will come by the Sage as well. Stopped by last year as well. Robbin On 10/1/2011 10:34 AM, Karen and Smiley wrote: > We'll September has been a pretty bad month for sailing here on the > Chesapeake bay. Aside from 3 days of sailing the Monty 15 on the Miles River > during our vacation we have not gotten out much. What our half dozen outings > has shown us are a bunch of improvements we needed to make to Monty #616 > model 15 . > > > > Trailer Guides were installed and these help us line up the boat on the > trailer when retrieving and to me is a MUST have accessory. > > > > Tiller extension by ForeSpar. I bought an Ida Sailor tiller and rudder > assembly and the tiller was a tad shorter that the OEM tiller it replaced > and the extension really allows me to move my weight forward and stand and > steer too. A welcome addition and less strain on my shoulder from having to > reach so far back. > > > > I'd like suggestions on cock pit cushions before I go to the boat show in > Annapolis MD for those of you that have bought and installed cushions. We > currently sit on our throwable. > > > > Replaced the tack of the jib with an "S" bend hook looped into the fitting > on the bow. This works great and limits our time setting up the jib and > worrying about losing a pin for the clamp which we have already done. > > > > Removed the green boot stripe around the hull, hated Green as a color and I > like the white hull much better but this required lots off Goof Off adhesive > remover but a better looking hull with Red lettering on hull and sails now. > > > > Increased the down haul purchase on the main to 3:1 and the out haul on the > main to 4:1 and I can get really nice shapes from my Hyde main sail now and > this makes downwind adjustments a breeze. > > > > Well I thought I share some of these minor yet important changes I have made > and now I must resist the temptations of the Annapolis Boat Show next > weekend. Going to finally meet Stan, Gail and Dave Scobie at the Sage booth > and check out the Sage and hopefully Dave will let us rig and demo sail her > after the show. This weekend's forecast is small craft advisories for the > whole weekend so it's great that the show is next weekend. Any Monty Folks > going to the show, My pal Gary and I will be there on VIP Thursday early AM > to get a jump on the crowds. See you there or if you care to meet contact me > offline. Thanks > > > > > > Smiley and Karen > > magoo252(a)comcast.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! > _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet!

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Re: M_Boats: Video - Havasu Pocket Cruisers Covention 2012 promo
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 01 Oct '11

01 Oct '11

Dates this year are Feb 13th thru the 20th 2012. There is always an "early bird" gang that arrive early and head down the lake for a cookout and overnighter in a cove....becoming a VERY popular side excursion. website is _www.sailhavasu.com_ (http://www.sailhavasu.com) Come on down and join us! :-) Sean

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Sailboat show and other thoughts
by Karen and Smiley 01 Oct '11

01 Oct '11

We'll September has been a pretty bad month for sailing here on the Chesapeake bay. Aside from 3 days of sailing the Monty 15 on the Miles River during our vacation we have not gotten out much. What our half dozen outings has shown us are a bunch of improvements we needed to make to Monty #616 model 15 . Trailer Guides were installed and these help us line up the boat on the trailer when retrieving and to me is a MUST have accessory. Tiller extension by ForeSpar. I bought an Ida Sailor tiller and rudder assembly and the tiller was a tad shorter that the OEM tiller it replaced and the extension really allows me to move my weight forward and stand and steer too. A welcome addition and less strain on my shoulder from having to reach so far back. I'd like suggestions on cock pit cushions before I go to the boat show in Annapolis MD for those of you that have bought and installed cushions. We currently sit on our throwable. Replaced the tack of the jib with an "S" bend hook looped into the fitting on the bow. This works great and limits our time setting up the jib and worrying about losing a pin for the clamp which we have already done. Removed the green boot stripe around the hull, hated Green as a color and I like the white hull much better but this required lots off Goof Off adhesive remover but a better looking hull with Red lettering on hull and sails now. Increased the down haul purchase on the main to 3:1 and the out haul on the main to 4:1 and I can get really nice shapes from my Hyde main sail now and this makes downwind adjustments a breeze. Well I thought I share some of these minor yet important changes I have made and now I must resist the temptations of the Annapolis Boat Show next weekend. Going to finally meet Stan, Gail and Dave Scobie at the Sage booth and check out the Sage and hopefully Dave will let us rig and demo sail her after the show. This weekend's forecast is small craft advisories for the whole weekend so it's great that the show is next weekend. Any Monty Folks going to the show, My pal Gary and I will be there on VIP Thursday early AM to get a jump on the crowds. See you there or if you care to meet contact me offline. Thanks Smiley and Karen magoo252(a)comcast.net

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Video - Havasu Pocket Cruisers Covention 2012 promo
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 01 Oct '11

01 Oct '11

Some of the attendees from previous events helped me out in making a fun promo to encourage 1st timers to come join us in 2012. Hope to see you here!!! (you might recognize a couple of these clowns!!! ) lol We DO have fun!!!! _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTeBhQwbazU_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTeBhQwbazU) :-)

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Re: M_Boats: braker braker
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 01 Oct '11

01 Oct '11

As usual...I'll open my mouth and throw in my 2 cents. I have an M23 and I tow it with an f-350. I have towed it over 20,000 miles in the last 6 years. We've towed it to the San Juans twice, up and down 6 percent grades and also the heavy grades to get us over the mountains to the coast. I purchased my trailer new from Pacific Trailers when we bought the boat and it was equipped with "the latest" of everything when we got it including stainless steel disc surge brakes. This is the best setup I have ever used and I have had two other 23 foot boats with electrics. I also had a promotional searchlight company in the Phoenix area for years where I towed multiple 7000lb tandem axle searchlight trailers around daily. Some surge and some electric. My experiences have made me of the opinion that if I was ever to buy another trailer with electrics, the first thing I would do is rip them off and chuck them in the garbage and replace with the system I have now. The brakes on Dauntless' trailer have not given me one bit of trouble in 6 years. Any modern surge brake setup has an automatic lockout valve that is triggered by the back up lights that blocks hydraulic fluid from being pushed to the cylinders when you back up, preventing the brakes from coming on when you backing the trailer up a hill. If you don't have one, they can be added on, are cheap and easy to install. I have never had Dauntless' brakes actuate because I am going downhill, and we have traversed some pretty steep hills. After 6 years of going to the coast and dunking in salt water multiple times a year, there is no rust anywhere on them. When I "get on" the trucks brakes I can feel the trailer kick in and it is a solid and reliable stop. One key of long life of the system is to keep water out of the reservoir. All the reservoirs have an air vent. If you dunk the surge brake controller you will eventually get water in the fluid and then the cylinders can rust on the inside. To avoid this, my trailer tongue is removable and I always take it off, and replace it with an extension that gives me better reach into the water and leaves the brake controller sitting on the concrete ramp high and dry. This requires a quick connect in the brake line, similar to an airchuck to remove the tongue with the brake controller on it. For me, a trip to salt water with electric brakes meant I was replacing them every 2 years regardless of how well I flushed them. Also, it seemed like I always had to be fidgeting with the "gain" switch on the controller to keep the trailer and truck braking levels in sync. The one thing I will say for electric trailer brakes is that yes, you can apply them solely, without using the truck brakes. This is a Godsend if you have a trailer start swaying as it will stop it immediately and get the trailer back in line and behaving itself. I had a searchlight trailer that was too light in the tongue and would do this. BUT, if your trailer is setup correctly weight wise this should not be an issue. I have never had a sway issue with the M23. If your surge brake trailer is routinely applying the brakes when you are headed down a steep hill I would think that something is out of adjustment. Also, with respect to backing up. Even if you don't have the automatic hydraulic lockout for backing up....every surge brake actuator I have ever had has had a lever on it's side that you can depress that will lockout the brakes while you back up and then reset itself as soon as you pull forward. Towing an M23 without trailer brakes with an F-350. Not a good idea in my book. Yes the truck can pull it great, and stop it reasonably well, but if you get in a pinch and really gotta get on it, that boat's weight will really push the truck, extending your stopping distance, and also, the trailer (since it is not braking and the truck is) is going to try to swap ends and jacknife in a a panic stop on a loose surface. I learned this when i forgot to hook the quick disconnect back up after switching tongues one day, which effectively leaves you towing with no trailer brakes. Scared the crap out of me at a stoplight intersection when a motorcycle in front of me stopped on a dime on an amber light. He almost became a hood ornament and I was looking at the entire starboard side of the boat in the right side mirror by the time we I got stopped. ok ....so maybe 5 cents. :-) S M23 "Dauntless" M17fd "Sneakers"

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Re: M_Boats: braker braker
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 01 Oct '11

01 Oct '11

As usual...I'll open my mouth and throw in my 2 cents. I have an M23 and I tow it with an f-350. I have towed it over 20,000 miles in the last 6 years. We've towed it to the San Juans twice, up and down 6 percent grades and also the heavy grades to get us over the mountains to the coast. I purchased my trailer new from Pacific Trailers when we bought the boat and it was equipped with "the latest" of everything when we got it including stainless steel disc surge brakes. This is the best setup I have ever used and I have had two other 23 foot boats with electrics. I also had a promotional searchlight company in the Phoenix area for years where I towed multiple 7000lb tandem axle searchlight trailers around daily. Some surge and some electric. My experiences have made me of the opinion that if I was ever to buy another trailer with electrics, the first thing I would do is rip them off and chuck them in the garbage and replace with the system I have now. The brakes on Dauntless' trailer have not given me one bit of trouble in 6 years. Any modern surge brake setup has an automatic lockout valve that is triggered by the back up lights that blocks hydraulic fluid from being pushed to the cylinders when you back up, preventing the brakes from coming on when you backing the trailer up a hill. If you don't have one, they can be added on, are cheap and easy to install. I have never had Dauntless' brakes actuate because I am going downhill, and we have traversed some pretty steep hills. After 6 years of going to the coast and dunking in salt water multiple times a year, there is no rust anywhere on them. When I "get on" the trucks brakes I can feel the trailer kick in and it is a solid and reliable stop. One key of long life of the system is to keep water out of the reservoir. All the reservoirs have an air vent. If you dunk the surge brake controller you will eventually get water in the fluid and then the cylinders can rust on the inside. To avoid this, my trailer tongue is removable and I always take it off, and replace it with an extension that gives me better reach into the water and leaves the brake controller sitting on the concrete ramp high and dry. This requires a quick connect in the brake line, similar to an airchuck to remove the tongue with the brake controller on it. For me, a trip to salt water with electric brakes meant I was replacing them every 2 years regardless of how well I flushed them. Also, it seemed like I always had to be fidgeting with the "gain" switch on the controller to keep the trailer and truck braking levels in sync. The one thing I will say for electric trailer brakes is that yes, you can apply them solely, without using the truck brakes. This is a Godsend if you have a trailer start swaying as it will stop it immediately and get the trailer back in line and behaving itself. I had a searchlight trailer that was too light in the tongue and would do this. BUT, if your trailer is setup correctly weight wise this should not be an issue. I have never had a sway issue with the M23. If your surge brake trailer is routinely applying the brakes when you are headed down a steep hill I would think that something is out of adjustment. Also, with respect to backing up. Even if you don't have the automatic hydraulic lockout for backing up....every surge brake actuator I have ever had has had a lever on it's side that you can depress that will lockout the brakes while you back up and then reset itself as soon as you pull forward. Towing an M23 without trailer brakes with an F-350. Not a good idea in my book. Yes the truck can pull it great, and stop it reasonably well, but if you get in a pinch and really gotta get on it, that boat's weight will really push the truck, extending your stopping distance, and also, the trailer (since it is not braking and the truck is) is going to try to swap ends and jacknife in a a panic stop on a loose surface. I learned this when i forgot to hook the quick disconnect back up after switching tongues one day, which effectively leaves you towing with no trailer brakes. Scared the crap out of me at a stoplight intersection when a motorcycle in front of me stopped on a dime on an amber light. He almost became a hood ornament and I was looking at the entire starboard side of the boat in the right side mirror by the time we I got stopped. ok ....so maybe 5 cents. :-) S M23 "Dauntless" M17fd "Sneakers"

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