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Re: M_Boats: M17 video and pictures
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 19 Oct '11

19 Oct '11

That was an Awesome video Mack. WOW! Great job. Lot of work to put that together and make all those stills pan and zoom. The video footage was fantastic. I am guessing that was originally 8mm or Super 8mm movie film? Great shots. And all the different sail combinations were very interesting, especially the double head rig. Haven't seen that on a 17 before. Thanks so much for sharing it. I'm going to pass the link along for others to share as well. Bravo!! made me smile!! Sean M23 "Dauntless" M17 fd "Sneakers"

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Re: M_Boats: M17 video and pictures
by bownez＠juno.com 19 Oct '11

19 Oct '11

Nice video Mack, Hull #46 dances well! Bones M17 #92 ____________________________________________________________ 57-Year-Old Mom Looks 25 Mom Reveals $5 Wrinkle Trick That Has Angered Doctors! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4e9e463cdf8efbd5d7cst05vuc

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Re Cracks in locker
by Klaas 19 Oct '11

19 Oct '11

Ok folks this is the first time I've tryed to respond let me know if I'm doing it wrong . Thanks for the info Jerry ( man it's cool to have the buider to ask and talk to ) . The cracks are about 1/4 inch deep I put a bit of sandpaper down to see . It's on the list of to do things I still can see no reason for the cracks other than it was to thick , where it is . Once again thanks for answering and making such a great boat KLaas Message: 4 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 09:09:51 -0700 From: "Klaas" <santaklaas(a)telus.net> To: "Montgomery boats groups" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Cracks in locker Message-ID: <760BD948E4324A1DB6081B942032FBEF@mypc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi I just bought my first monty 15 a 1985 hull # 321 and after cleaning out all the old stuff in the port seat locker I found cracks . They are where the plywood bulkheads and the hull meet , what I'm trying to figure out is .Is this some kind leveling compound or seam filler , and if so what do I repair it with Thanks KLaas ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 09:44:10 -0700 From: "jerry montgomery" <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Cracks in locker Message-ID: <68F42552521640ACB1FA893BE952CFEE@jerryws10> Content-Type: text/plain; format="flowed"; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type="original" The plywood is bonded to the hull with fiberglass mat and cloth, themn painted over with gelcoat. The gelcoat is much more brittle than the glass, and if the crack only goes thru the gelcoat I wouldn't worry about umnless I was really picky. If the actual bond is broken, I'd try to figure out why. Could it have bounced crooked on the trailer? Is there a way that water could have gotten to the wood and swelled it, breaking the bond? If you need to fix it, use several layers of glass cloth, not mat, and epoxy resin, which will stick to old glass much better than polyester.

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epoxy
by mrh219＠yahoo.com 18 Oct '11

18 Oct '11

Group, this is off-topic, but my boat is under shrink wrap for the winter and it's on to jobs I have been putting off. I epoxied an arm on a wooden chair crooked. I understand that heat will soften up the epoxy. Can I soften the epoxy with a heat gun, straighten the arm, and let it cool and harden, or once it has been heated, is the epoxy shot? Thinking about spring, I am looking at tiller extenders. Any recommendations for m-15? Mike m-15 Anne Bonny (all tucked in for a long winters nap)

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Cracks in locker
by Klaas 17 Oct '11

17 Oct '11

Hi I just bought my first monty 15 a 1985 hull # 321 and after cleaning out all the old stuff in the port seat locker I found cracks . They are where the plywood bulkheads and the hull meet , what I'm trying to figure out is .Is this some kind leveling compound or seam filler , and if so what do I repair it with Thanks KLaas

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Re: M_Boats: tiller extender
by John Owens 17 Oct '11

17 Oct '11

Sal, Give me the specs or a drawing of what you need and I'll fix you up. I owe that much to ya! John Owens J O Woodworks / B & L Ram Pumps 903-894-6293 870 County Road 3812 Troup, Texas 75789 http://www.jowoodworks.com john(a)jowoodworks.com http://www.blrampump.com john(a)blrampump.com --- On Sun, 10/16/11, montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: From: montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 104, Issue 3 To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Date: Sunday, October 16, 2011, 9:59 PM Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Sailboat show and other thoughts (eisenee(a)aol.com) 2. Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 103, Issue 6 (Stan Winarski) 3. Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 103, Issue 6 (jerry montgomery) 4. M-17 (Mack Warner) 5. Re: M-17 (John Tyner) 6. Sailing Tomales with Kestral, Surprise, and a Vagabond 17 (Daniel Rich) 7. epoxy (mrh219(a)yahoo.com) 8. Re: epoxy (Conbert Benneck) 9. Re: epoxy (SALGLESSER(a)aol.com) 10. Re: tiller extenders (W David Scobie) 11. Re: epoxy (Conbert Benneck) 12. Re: epoxy (SALGLESSER(a)aol.com) 13. Refurbish the wood (Ted Weidenbach) 14. Re: tiller extenders (Nebwest2(a)aol.com) 15. Re: Refurbish the wood (Nebwest2(a)aol.com) 16. Re: epoxy (jerry montgomery) 17. Re: Refurbish the wood (Gordon Gilbert) 18. Re: epoxy (William B Riker) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 21:23:14 -0400 (EDT) From: eisenee(a)aol.com To: mrh219(a)yahoo.com, montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sailboat show and other thoughts Message-ID: <8CE504B521A9DA8-1ECC-6769A(a)webmail-m149.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Bottomsiders in Seattle makes an excelent cockpit cushion but they are expe$$$$$ive. Only 1 problem in 14 years , when you take them to over 7000 ft they GROW about 4 inches and won't lay flat. Back down to under 1000 ft and they shrink back down to the right size. I suppose you would have the same problem with any good closed cell cushion Eldor M17 Motu iti -----Original Message----- From: mrh219 <mrh219(a)yahoo.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 10:15 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sailboat show and other thoughts Smiley and Karen, I just used a closed cell foam swim mattress that I cut in alf lengthwise, put the "cut" sides against the coaming and the little headrest n the stern. Is basically a perfect fit, very comfortable and cheap because I ought it at the end of the season. Full cockpit cushions for about $20. Has eld up well for three years. I happened to find a green one that more or ess matches my cove stripe. ike M-15 Anne Bonny _______________________________ rom: Earl Landers <elanders(a)bak.rr.com> o: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> ent: Sunday, October 2, 2011 11:55 PM ubject: Re: M_Boats: Sailboat show and other thoughts Smiley & Karen, " I'd like suggestions on cock pit cushions "..... Both my boats have ockpit cushions, but if I had it to do over I'd just buy a pair of these Go anywhere seats" ttp://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product2_11151_10001_279 95_-1____ProductDisplayErrorView ay more comfortable than plain cushions -----Original Message----- rom: montgomery_boats-bounces+elanders=bak.rr.com(a)mailman.xmission.com mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+elanders=bak.rr.com@mailman.xmission.com] n Behalf Of SALGLESSER(a)aol.com ent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 2:36 PM o: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com ubject: Re: M_Boats: Sailboat show and other thoughts Hi Smiley Karen, Thanx for the tips on improvements to your M15. We ended up making many mprovements on our M15 as well. Seems like they always need something. We'll look forward to meeting you in Annapolis. salngail n a message dated 10/1/2011 8:34:32 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, agoo252(a)comcast.net writes: We'll September has been a pretty bad month for sailing here on the hesapeake bay. Aside from 3 days of sailing the Monty 15 on the Miles iver during our vacation we have not gotten out much. What our half dozen utings has shown us are a bunch of improvements we needed to make to Monty 616 model 15 . Trailer Guides were installed and these help us line up the boat on the railer when retrieving and to me is a MUST have accessory. Tiller extension by ForeSpar. I bought an Ida Sailor tiller and rudder ssembly and the tiller was a tad shorter that the OEM tiller it replaced nd the extension really allows me to move my weight forward and stand and teer too. A welcome addition and less strain on my shoulder from having to each so far back. I'd like suggestions on cock pit cushions before I go to the boat show in nnapolis MD for those of you that have bought and installed cushions. We urrently sit on our throwable. Replaced the tack of the jib with an "S" bend hook looped into the fitting n the bow. This works great and limits our time setting up the jib and orrying about losing a pin for the clamp which we have already done. Removed the green boot stripe around the hull, hated Green as a color and I ike the white hull much better but this required lots off Goof Off dhesive remover but a better looking hull with Red lettering on hull and ails now. Increased the down haul purchase on the main to 3:1 and the out haul on the ain to 4:1 and I can get really nice shapes from my Hyde main sail now and his makes downwind adjustments a breeze. Well I thought I share some of these minor yet important changes I have ade and now I must resist the temptations of the Annapolis Boat Show next eekend. Going to finally meet Stan, Gail and Dave Scobie at the Sage booth nd check out the Sage and hopefully Dave will let us rig and demo sail her fter the show. This weekend's forecast is small craft advisories for the hole weekend so it's great that the show is next weekend. Any Monty Folks oing to the show, My pal Gary and I will be there on VIP Thursday early AM o get a jump on the crowds. See you there or if you care to meet contact e offline. Thanks Smiley and Karen magoo252(a)comcast.net _______________________________________________ ttp://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! _______________________________________________ ttp://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! _______________________________________________ ttp://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! ______________________________________________ ttp://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 21:55:45 -0400 From: Stan Winarski <winarski(a)cox.net> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 103, Issue 6 Message-ID: <BBF37331-BDE4-433B-8A7E-2EAD336E8953(a)cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I too have experienced a recurring leak in the joinng of the centerboard trunk with the cockpit mold on my M 15. It is a difficullt place to work and even the patches of fiberglass I've installed were hardly esthetically attractive but they did the trick. Any chop encountered resulted in leaking water into my two "dry stores" drawers I installed on either side of the trunk. Stan Carol II, M-15 #177 ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 13:54:05 -0700 From: "jerry montgomery" <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 103, Issue 6 Message-ID: <D8E7F0A7146A4C9CB9C552745C5832BD@jerryws10> Content-Type: text/plain; format="flowed"; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type="original" Stan - I know you alreaduy know this, but for the rest of them use EPOXY resin for repairs on old frabbergrass! It'll stick m uch better. jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Winarski" <winarski(a)cox.net> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 6:55 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 103, Issue 6 >I too have experienced a recurring leak in the joinng of the centerboard >trunk with the cockpit mold on my M 15. It is a difficullt place to work >and even the patches of fiberglass I've installed were hardly esthetically >attractive but they did the trick. Any chop encountered resulted in >leaking water into my two "dry stores" drawers I installed on either side >of the trunk. > > Stan > Carol II, M-15 #177 > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 5553 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 13:51:59 -0500 From: Mack Warner <mackwarner007(a)gmail.com> To: "montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: M-17 Message-ID: <216D9925-94C2-42B9-BCA3-FA2E4D94F132(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi ya'll, Texas thing. At the present time I am not an owner of a Montgomery 17, I have a Ranger 28. I did have a M17 from 75 - 78. The sail number was 64. Had 10 sails, yes 10. I sold it in Austin, Tx and would love to know what happened to it. I do have a video on you tube using the name rf4pilot, The title is sailing montgomery 17 1976 Lake Amistad. Am looking to get back into the big M. Be good to hear from ya. Mack Sent from my iPad ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 20:39:56 -0400 From: John Tyner <tynerjr(a)md.metrocast.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-17 Message-ID: <4E98D65C.9050302(a)md.metrocast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Not related to the M-17, but is that rf4pilot as in RF-4B from VMFP-3? Just curious, as I supported the USN F-4s and RF-4Bs back at the depot (Cherry Point) in the '80s. John Tyner M-15 #412 "Chimpanzee" On 10/14/2011 2:51 PM, Mack Warner wrote: > Hi ya'll, Texas thing. At the present time I am not an owner of a Montgomery 17, I have a Ranger 28. I did have a M17 from 75 - 78. The sail number was 64. Had 10 sails, yes 10. I sold it in Austin, Tx and would love to know what happened to it. I do have a video on you tube using the name rf4pilot, The title is sailing montgomery 17 1976 Lake Amistad. Am looking to get back into the big M. Be good to hear from ya. > > Mack > > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 21:19:56 -0700 From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Sailing Tomales with Kestral, Surprise, and a Vagabond 17 Message-ID: <3F871F6E-A1B7-4F9E-AC71-75B00DB14A52(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Had a really nice time with Jim, Dan, and Brad yesterday in Tomales Bay. Here is a blog entry and some video if interested? http://danielgrich.users.sonic.net/ Daniel ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 09:25:33 -0700 (PDT) From: mrh219(a)yahoo.com To: montgomery listserve <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: epoxy Message-ID: <1318782333.32378.YahooMailNeo(a)web125807.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Group, this is off-topic, but my boat is under shrink wrap for the winter and it's on to jobs?I have been putting off.? I epoxied an arm on a wooden chair crooked.? I understand that heat will soften up the epoxy.? Can I soften the epoxy with a heat gun, straighten the arm, and let it cool and harden, or once it has been heated, is the epoxy shot?? Thinking about spring, I am looking at tiller extenders.? Any recommendations for m-15? Mike m-15 Anne Bonny (all tucked in for a long winters nap) ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 12:44:21 -0400 From: Conbert Benneck <chbenneck(a)sbcglobal.net> To: mrh219(a)yahoo.com, For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: epoxy Message-ID: <4E9B09E5.3040307(a)sbcglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 16-Oct-11 12:25 PM, mrh219(a)yahoo.com wrote: Hi Mike, When we still owned our M15 #400 LEPPO, I sailed mostly by myself. I wanted a tiller extension so that I could sit as far forward in the cockpit as possible to keep the transom from dragging through the water and slowing me down. My first attempt was to use a Forespar adjustable length tiller extender. It worked, but the working angle between the tiller and the tiller extension was wrong. When I sat as far forward as I could, the angle between the Forespar tiller extension and the M15 tiller was about 120 degrees. If you got a sudden gust of wind and needed an instant tiller correction, the 120 angle didn't give you what you needed; i.e., a 90 degree relationship between tiller and tiller extension. To solve that problem I built a new, much longer than stock, tiller and reinstalled the Forespar extension. Now the geometry was correct. >From my forward seating position I now had a 90 degree push-pull relationship between the tiller extension and the tiller. It worked great. Connie > Group, this is off-topic, but my boat is under shrink wrap for the winter and it's on to jobs I have been putting off. I epoxied an arm on a wooden chair crooked. I understand that heat will soften up the epoxy. Can I soften the epoxy with a heat gun, straighten the arm, and let it cool and harden, or once it has been heated, is the epoxy shot? Thinking about spring, I am looking at tiller extenders. Any recommendations for m-15? > Mike m-15 Anne Bonny (all tucked in for a long winters nap) > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! > ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 12:47:33 -0400 (EDT) From: SALGLESSER(a)aol.com To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: epoxy Message-ID: <917a.22dc10b9.3bcc64a5(a)aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi Connie, Do you remember how much longer than stock you added to the tiller? Or how long the entire new tiller was? sal In a message dated 10/16/2011 10:44:43 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, chbenneck(a)sbcglobal.net writes: On 16-Oct-11 12:25 PM, mrh219(a)yahoo.com wrote: Hi Mike, When we still owned our M15 #400 LEPPO, I sailed mostly by myself. I wanted a tiller extension so that I could sit as far forward in the cockpit as possible to keep the transom from dragging through the water and slowing me down. My first attempt was to use a Forespar adjustable length tiller extender. It worked, but the working angle between the tiller and the tiller extension was wrong. When I sat as far forward as I could, the angle between the Forespar tiller extension and the M15 tiller was about 120 degrees. If you got a sudden gust of wind and needed an instant tiller correction, the 120 angle didn't give you what you needed; i.e., a 90 degree relationship between tiller and tiller extension. To solve that problem I built a new, much longer than stock, tiller and reinstalled the Forespar extension. Now the geometry was correct. >From my forward seating position I now had a 90 degree push-pull relationship between the tiller extension and the tiller. It worked great. Connie > Group, this is off-topic, but my boat is under shrink wrap for the winter and it's on to jobs I have been putting off. I epoxied an arm on a wooden chair crooked. I understand that heat will soften up the epoxy. Can I soften the epoxy with a heat gun, straighten the arm, and let it cool and harden, or once it has been heated, is the epoxy shot? Thinking about spring, I am looking at tiller extenders. Any recommendations for m-15? > Mike m-15 Anne Bonny (all tucked in for a long winters nap) > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! > _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 09:53:28 -0700 (PDT) From: W David Scobie <wdscobie(a)yahoo.com> To: mrh219(a)yahoo.com, For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: tiller extenders Message-ID: <1318784008.3361.YahooMailClassic(a)web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i like the FORESPAR 'twist-lock quick release' tiller extension (model # 104016). this model will extend from 19" to 32". i use this extender on the Sage 17. i use the older (non-foam handle) version on my M17. also had one on my M15. i suggest getting a 'tiller clip' to hold the extender to the tiller when it isn't needed (but you don't want to take the extender off the tiller). :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 - SWEET PEA - wwwm.17-375.webs.com :: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.com --- On Sun, 10/16/11, mrh219(a)yahoo.com <mrh219(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > ...Thinking about spring, I am looking at tiller extenders. > Any recommendations for m-15? > > Mike m-15 Anne Bonny (all tucked in for a long winters > nap) > ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 15:21:05 -0400 From: Conbert Benneck <chbenneck(a)sbcglobal.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: epoxy Message-ID: <4E9B2EA1.3020303(a)sbcglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 16-Oct-11 12:47 PM, SALGLESSER(a)aol.com wrote: Hi Sal, Sorry, don't remember how long I made the new tiller. I just sat where I wanted to sit in the cockpit; extended my arm to where I wanted to hold the tiller; made a measurement; and then built a new tiller. The Forespar tiller extension, allowed me to lean back while sailing and keep good control of the tiller with the tiller extension. I built it to suit myself. Connie > Hi Connie, > > Do you remember how much longer than stock you added to the tiller? Or > how long the entire new tiller was? > > sal > > > In a message dated 10/16/2011 10:44:43 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > chbenneck(a)sbcglobal.net writes: > > On 16-Oct-11 12:25 PM, mrh219(a)yahoo.com wrote: > > Hi Mike, > > When we still owned our M15 #400 LEPPO, I sailed mostly by myself. > > I wanted a tiller extension so that I could sit as far forward in the > cockpit as possible to keep the transom from dragging through the water > and slowing me down. > > My first attempt was to use a Forespar adjustable length tiller extender. > > It worked, but the working angle between the tiller and the tiller > extension was wrong. > > When I sat as far forward as I could, the angle between the Forespar > tiller extension and the M15 tiller was about 120 degrees. > > If you got a sudden gust of wind and needed an instant tiller > correction, the 120 angle didn't give you what you needed; i.e., a 90 > degree relationship between tiller and tiller extension. > > To solve that problem I built a new, much longer than stock, tiller and > reinstalled the Forespar extension. > > Now the geometry was correct. > > > From my forward seating position I now had a 90 degree push-pull > relationship between the tiller extension and the tiller. > > It worked great. > > Connie >> Group, this is off-topic, but my boat is under shrink wrap for the > winter and it's on to jobs I have been putting off. I epoxied an arm on a > wooden chair crooked. I understand that heat will soften up the epoxy. Can I > soften the epoxy with a heat gun, straighten the arm, and let it cool and > harden, or once it has been heated, is the epoxy shot? Thinking about > spring, I am looking at tiller extenders. Any recommendations for m-15? >> Mike m-15 Anne Bonny (all tucked in for a long winters nap) >> _______________________________________________ >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> >> When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! >> > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! > ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 15:31:31 -0400 (EDT) From: SALGLESSER(a)aol.com To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: epoxy Message-ID: <193f7.2c54acfd.3bcc8b13(a)aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Thanx Connie, I'll have to built to suit myself. Time to experiment. sal In a message dated 10/16/2011 1:21:27 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, chbenneck(a)sbcglobal.net writes: On 16-Oct-11 12:47 PM, SALGLESSER(a)aol.com wrote: Hi Sal, Sorry, don't remember how long I made the new tiller. I just sat where I wanted to sit in the cockpit; extended my arm to where I wanted to hold the tiller; made a measurement; and then built a new tiller. The Forespar tiller extension, allowed me to lean back while sailing and keep good control of the tiller with the tiller extension. I built it to suit myself. Connie > Hi Connie, > > Do you remember how much longer than stock you added to the tiller? Or > how long the entire new tiller was? > > sal > > > In a message dated 10/16/2011 10:44:43 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > chbenneck(a)sbcglobal.net writes: > > On 16-Oct-11 12:25 PM, mrh219(a)yahoo.com wrote: > > Hi Mike, > > When we still owned our M15 #400 LEPPO, I sailed mostly by myself. > > I wanted a tiller extension so that I could sit as far forward in the > cockpit as possible to keep the transom from dragging through the water > and slowing me down. > > My first attempt was to use a Forespar adjustable length tiller extender. > > It worked, but the working angle between the tiller and the tiller > extension was wrong. > > When I sat as far forward as I could, the angle between the Forespar > tiller extension and the M15 tiller was about 120 degrees. > > If you got a sudden gust of wind and needed an instant tiller > correction, the 120 angle didn't give you what you needed; i.e., a 90 > degree relationship between tiller and tiller extension. > > To solve that problem I built a new, much longer than stock, tiller and > reinstalled the Forespar extension. > > Now the geometry was correct. > > > From my forward seating position I now had a 90 degree push-pull > relationship between the tiller extension and the tiller. > > It worked great. > > Connie >> Group, this is off-topic, but my boat is under shrink wrap for the > winter and it's on to jobs I have been putting off. I epoxied an arm on a > wooden chair crooked. I understand that heat will soften up the epoxy. Can I > soften the epoxy with a heat gun, straighten the arm, and let it cool and > harden, or once it has been heated, is the epoxy shot? Thinking about > spring, I am looking at tiller extenders. Any recommendations for m-15? >> Mike m-15 Anne Bonny (all tucked in for a long winters nap) >> _______________________________________________ >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> >> When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! >> > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! > _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 18:44:52 -0500 From: Ted Weidenbach <weid0069(a)umn.edu> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Refurbish the wood Message-ID: <BF777991-E0ED-4E90-BD13-688A1F47B7AD(a)umn.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi everyone, It is October and sailing season has pretty much come to an end in Minnesota. I am looking to refurbish the wood on the 1981 monty 15 that I bought last winter. I was wondering if anyone has any advice on what worked well for them at any point in the process. From taking off the wood (which I am doing now) to sanding to making it look good, any help would be appreciated. Also the toe rail is wood and I want to take that off but I still need to transfer it to storage. Does the toe rail keep the top of the boat and the bottom of the boat attached? It looks like that is what is keeping it together and if I took it off I wouldn't want to be driving down the highway with it. Any thoughts? Thanks, Ted ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 20:10:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Nebwest2(a)aol.com To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: tiller extenders Message-ID: <1f5f1.56815ea2.3bcccc5e(a)aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I use the Forespar extension as well. I like it...but....expect that long term use the twist lock may start to slip. I have gone through 2 of them, and when I was an Asst Mgr West Marine (many moons ago), it was a common return item for that reason. Once it "slips" it doesn't lock well again, there is no repair, and Forespar will not replace it (unless something has changed which could be the case). I still like the extension. I try not to use it when the tiller is loaded up, instead trying to re-power the boat and decrease helm loads first, then go back to using it. For me, I find that rather than have a clip on the tiller to attach the extension to when not in use, I have a strip of fuzzy velcro attached to the tiller itself , back down the tiller towards the rudder at the fully extended length of the extention, and a corresponding wrap of hook velcro on the extension. When not in use, I full extend the extension and just "stick" it to the tiller. I find it's one less thing to break and one less thing that is protruding into the cockpit to snag or tear something, ....or me. ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 20:13:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Nebwest2(a)aol.com To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Refurbish the wood Message-ID: <1f7e8.6008b930.3bcccd3f(a)aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I cannot recommend Rebecca Whittman's book "Brightwork The Art of Finishing Wood" highly enough. She is a professional yacht wood finisher and he book is amazing. All types of finishes and how to do them are covered. Not a cheap book......but worth every penny. ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 17:40:30 -0700 From: "jerry montgomery" <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> To: <mrh219(a)yahoo.com>, "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: epoxy Message-ID: <E0D9DC74ED6946DC85A9406B6729B21A@jerryws10> Content-Type: text/plain; format="flowed"; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type="original" 180 degrees is the magic number with most epoxies, and 180 degrees (F) will not effect most wood in a short time. It will NOT be as strong if you simply adjust the chair, then let it cool; i'd scrape as much off as possible while it's hot, then let it cool and sand just enough to allow the wood parts to fit properly, then apply new resin.. Have fun! jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: <mrh219(a)yahoo.com> To: "montgomery listserve" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 9:25 AM Subject: M_Boats: epoxy Group, this is off-topic, but my boat is under shrink wrap for the winter and it's on to jobs I have been putting off. I epoxied an arm on a wooden chair crooked. I understand that heat will soften up the epoxy. Can I soften the epoxy with a heat gun, straighten the arm, and let it cool and harden, or once it has been heated, is the epoxy shot? Thinking about spring, I am looking at tiller extenders. Any recommendations for m-15? Mike m-15 Anne Bonny (all tucked in for a long winters nap) _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 5662 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 20:41:59 -0500 From: Gordon Gilbert <gordon(a)financialwriting.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Refurbish the wood Message-ID: <416629E6-268D-48F9-9731-36F0E248FC3E(a)financialwriting.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, Ted: Check out the varnishing tips from Don Casey, author of "This Old Boat," at his "how-to" website: http://www.boatus.com/boattech/howto_lib.htm I removed all the extremely weathered teak fixtures from my M-17, Sapphire, sanded them smooth and used Casey's priming and coat-building techniques to restore the boat's brightwork to a beautiful luster.

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Re: M_Boats: Refurbish the wood
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 17 Oct '11

17 Oct '11

Yes! Don Casey's books are fantastic as well!! I wholeheartedly agree. Great advice!

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Re: M_Boats: Refurbish the wood
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 17 Oct '11

17 Oct '11

I cannot recommend Rebecca Whittman's book "Brightwork The Art of Finishing Wood" highly enough. She is a professional yacht wood finisher and he book is amazing. All types of finishes and how to do them are covered. Not a cheap book......but worth every penny.

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Re: M_Boats: epoxy
by SALGLESSER＠aol.com 16 Oct '11

16 Oct '11

Thanx Connie, I'll have to built to suit myself. Time to experiment. sal In a message dated 10/16/2011 1:21:27 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, chbenneck(a)sbcglobal.net writes: On 16-Oct-11 12:47 PM, SALGLESSER(a)aol.com wrote: Hi Sal, Sorry, don't remember how long I made the new tiller. I just sat where I wanted to sit in the cockpit; extended my arm to where I wanted to hold the tiller; made a measurement; and then built a new tiller. The Forespar tiller extension, allowed me to lean back while sailing and keep good control of the tiller with the tiller extension. I built it to suit myself. Connie > Hi Connie, > > Do you remember how much longer than stock you added to the tiller? Or > how long the entire new tiller was? > > sal > > > In a message dated 10/16/2011 10:44:43 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > chbenneck(a)sbcglobal.net writes: > > On 16-Oct-11 12:25 PM, mrh219(a)yahoo.com wrote: > > Hi Mike, > > When we still owned our M15 #400 LEPPO, I sailed mostly by myself. > > I wanted a tiller extension so that I could sit as far forward in the > cockpit as possible to keep the transom from dragging through the water > and slowing me down. > > My first attempt was to use a Forespar adjustable length tiller extender. > > It worked, but the working angle between the tiller and the tiller > extension was wrong. > > When I sat as far forward as I could, the angle between the Forespar > tiller extension and the M15 tiller was about 120 degrees. > > If you got a sudden gust of wind and needed an instant tiller > correction, the 120 angle didn't give you what you needed; i.e., a 90 > degree relationship between tiller and tiller extension. > > To solve that problem I built a new, much longer than stock, tiller and > reinstalled the Forespar extension. > > Now the geometry was correct. > > > From my forward seating position I now had a 90 degree push-pull > relationship between the tiller extension and the tiller. > > It worked great. > > Connie >> Group, this is off-topic, but my boat is under shrink wrap for the > winter and it's on to jobs I have been putting off. I epoxied an arm on a > wooden chair crooked. I understand that heat will soften up the epoxy. Can I > soften the epoxy with a heat gun, straighten the arm, and let it cool and > harden, or once it has been heated, is the epoxy shot? Thinking about > spring, I am looking at tiller extenders. Any recommendations for m-15? >> Mike m-15 Anne Bonny (all tucked in for a long winters nap) >> _______________________________________________ >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> >> When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! >> > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! > _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet!

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Re: M_Boats: epoxy
by SALGLESSER＠aol.com 16 Oct '11

16 Oct '11

Hi Connie, Do you remember how much longer than stock you added to the tiller? Or how long the entire new tiller was? sal In a message dated 10/16/2011 10:44:43 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, chbenneck(a)sbcglobal.net writes: On 16-Oct-11 12:25 PM, mrh219(a)yahoo.com wrote: Hi Mike, When we still owned our M15 #400 LEPPO, I sailed mostly by myself. I wanted a tiller extension so that I could sit as far forward in the cockpit as possible to keep the transom from dragging through the water and slowing me down. My first attempt was to use a Forespar adjustable length tiller extender. It worked, but the working angle between the tiller and the tiller extension was wrong. When I sat as far forward as I could, the angle between the Forespar tiller extension and the M15 tiller was about 120 degrees. If you got a sudden gust of wind and needed an instant tiller correction, the 120 angle didn't give you what you needed; i.e., a 90 degree relationship between tiller and tiller extension. To solve that problem I built a new, much longer than stock, tiller and reinstalled the Forespar extension. Now the geometry was correct. >From my forward seating position I now had a 90 degree push-pull relationship between the tiller extension and the tiller. It worked great. Connie > Group, this is off-topic, but my boat is under shrink wrap for the winter and it's on to jobs I have been putting off. I epoxied an arm on a wooden chair crooked. I understand that heat will soften up the epoxy. Can I soften the epoxy with a heat gun, straighten the arm, and let it cool and harden, or once it has been heated, is the epoxy shot? Thinking about spring, I am looking at tiller extenders. Any recommendations for m-15? > Mike m-15 Anne Bonny (all tucked in for a long winters nap) > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! > _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet!

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