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Re: M_Boats: Tiller failure
by Paint4Real＠aol.com 09 Aug '08

09 Aug '08

Tiller on my M15 split at the same place, but only after one of my son's football buddies sat on it. I didn't see it happen. My son was discreet enough to have a new, very fine, laminated replacement tiller in place before I did see it. I would ask how it happened that a 230 lb lineman used the tiller for a chair, but I'd never get a straight answer, and it's probably just as well. Anyway, I was young once, as well. ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000… )

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Re: M_Boats: Running Rigging
by Paint4Real＠aol.com 09 Aug '08

09 Aug '08

Here's what came with my M15. I'm replacing it all now, so I happen to have access to it. These have all been adequate lengths. The caveat is that a line that's a couple feet too long only costs you a couple extra dollars. A line that's a couple feet too short makes for pretty expensive fender pennants. I have the original main halyard setup, with cable running to sheaves at the top of the mast, where it connects with the "rope" halyard. My main halyard is 31 feet. Should you replace the cable with line, add roughly the height of the mast above the boom. (I do understand why some folks don't like the cable -- on my boat, the swage that forms the eye in the end of the cable, to which the line is tied on the forward side of the mast, tends to get up into the sheaves housing and jam. But I'm not going to do anything about that for now. In 24 years I've only had to lower the mast once to free the jam. And I know for sure that the cable isn't going to stretch.) My jib halyard is 40 feet. I haven't used a jib downhaul for 2 decades. Easy enough to estimate. Length of your forestay plus distance back to about mid-cockpit, allowing extra for turns through fairleads and clam cleats. Topping lift is 20 feet. Sheets have to be long enough so that you can trim way down going to wind, or stretch the sail way out to the end of whisker pole on wing-and-wing, and still have plenty of slack on the windward sheet. If your stopper knot on the windward sheet is fighting what you're trying to do with the sail opposite it, you can't possible trim the sails properly. Sheets on the working jib are 14 feet each side (28 total length, tied midway at the clew.) Sheets on a 130 jib (after-market add-on) are 19 feet each side (38 total l ength, tided midway at the clew.) This measurement obviously isn't for just ANY genoa, but a 130. I don't remember why I chose that length, but I do know that sail is often stretched out to the end of a whisker pole. My traveler is about 6 feet, but don't buy that length. Get 8 feet so you've got length to work. You're going to need extra for tying the stopper knots at the stern quarters. Knots always use up more line length than you think. Don't guess. Have your boom in place and put the traveler, block, and mainsheet all together before you tie off the traveler. Only then cut off the excess length. Halyards are 5/16. Sheets 3/8. Traveler 3/8. Topping lift 1/8. I think that's all of them. ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000… )

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Re: M_Boats: Tiller failure
by bownez＠juno.com 09 Aug '08

09 Aug '08

Hello Robbin, The tiller splitting at the bracket mounting holes is a common problem. My M17 tiller suffered the same fate and I did epoxy repairs which works fine. I saw the problem coming down the road on the M23 tiller as well, so I rebuilt that area during the winter before it became worse. Knowing this potential weak spot, I now have constructed simple emergency tillers for both boats, and carry them on board at all times. My M17 emergency tiller was made from a blank ax handle replacement available at farm/fleet stores. Works great. Later, Bones ____________________________________________________________ Visit New England and experience Old World charm. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nKrjzRmiDgZBBMguaZlEfujB…

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Re: M_Boats: "Dauntless" is off the market..
by bownez＠juno.com 09 Aug '08

09 Aug '08

Howdy Sean, Glad to hear you will be hanging on to your M23, you know that old saying about not really missing something till it's gone (was that water or a woman?). Also, the heavy bulb style keel weight has been used in racing boats and has been know to exit. The Minnesota racer Mike Plant had this happen to Cyote while he was single handing her across the Atlantic. They found the boat, but Mike was lost at sea. Put up those sails and sail what ya got. Bones ____________________________________________________________ Click to compare life insurance rates. Great rates, quick and easy. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m2vx0HsyHjQtTFpK3h9vIguy…

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Running Rigging
by Phil & Frances 09 Aug '08

09 Aug '08

Anyone have a list of the correct (original) lengths and diameters for the running rigging on an M 15? Phil

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Re: M_Boats: Refueling underway...
by Paint4Real＠aol.com 09 Aug '08

09 Aug '08

I have to admit that I'd always felt I'd overdone the motive power with my Yamaha 4 h.p., but this is quite a litany about the travails of reloading a 2 horse gun. I have to put up with a plastic tank in the aft end of the cockpit (over which I built a wooden bench between the cockpit benches), but it's not space I would have used, anyway. I drilled a gasline-sized hole near the tank and another high on the transom to accommodate the fuel line (extra length to permit rotating the motor for "reverse") and it's always worked well. (This avoided draping it over the transom.) Plus, I can easily pull the tank and take it home (if the boat's in the water) or to a gas station. In these times, if your boat's in a slip or on a mooring, you probably don't want to leave a fuel supply on board anyway. Just another consideration. ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000… )

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Re: M_Boats: "Dauntless" is off the market..
by Larry E Yake 09 Aug '08

09 Aug '08

Alright, Sean! Glad to hear you're hanging onto Dauntless. After all you've done to restore her, I just couldn't imagine how you could watch someone else tow your boat away. That very thought has stopped me cold several times when I saw a Flicka or Falmouth Cutter or some such for sale. Bahama's in 2010? Hmmm..... I'll have to start in '09 to get down the west coast, throught the canal...... Larry ____________________________________________________________ Click here for low prices on a huge selection of popcorn poppers! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mS8SwM4UMasridbyvsaE0d7X…

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5 HP Honda on M-15
by Lou 08 Aug '08

08 Aug '08

Thanks for the feedback on the 5 HP Honda... The reason I was considering it was that it has reverse and an external fuel tank. I do not like having to hang over the boat to refuel in the middle of a chop also reverse wpuld be a nice thing to have again... Thanks again to all... Lou ( M-15 Still The One)

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Re: M_Boats: Tech Question
by Mark Escovedo 08 Aug '08

08 Aug '08

Thanks Gary, I appreciate you taking the time to answer my question. Fair Winds Mark E M17F/D #103 AMY ----- Original Message ---- From: Gary M Hyde <gmhyde1(a)mac.com> To: Montgomery Sailboats <For(a)yahoo.com> Sent: Friday, August 8, 2008 9:57:41 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Tech Question The centerboard on newer M17's is same as on M15: 45 lbs. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 8, 2008, at 8:32 AM, Mark Escovedo <m17flushdeck_amy(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Hello, > Does anyone out there with a newer M17 know what your centerboard > weighs? > I'm just curious about the weight difference between the old board > and the newer > centerboards. > Contact me off list if you have this information > > Fair Winds > > Mark E > M17F/D > #103 > AMY > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Tech Question
by Mark Escovedo 08 Aug '08

08 Aug '08

Hello, Does anyone out there with a newer M17 know what your centerboard weighs? I'm just curious about the weight difference between the old board and the newer centerboards. Contact me off list if you have this information Fair Winds Mark E M17F/D #103 AMY

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