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Mayday....well, sort of!
by Michael Ray Wisely 06 Aug '08

06 Aug '08

Hi all, I've had my M-17 on the hard for about 2 weeks now. I had the pox so I did the 4 coats of epoxy (interlux) on the entire hull and the keel and trunk are fine. I decided, since I could, to pull the centerboard, get it blasted and coat it with epoxy (only 3 coats) and 2 coats of bottom paint. Now the board will not go back in. Here's the interesting part: It looks like it has a warp in it. The starboard side is concave and the port side convex...minutely. (I did not look at it closely when I removed it) I did not think that cast could bend, and I hung the board the whole time I was painting it, not leaning or on it's side. It did not even rub coming out. The pin end went in fine, but the tang end will not go in at all. I'm going to sand my painting work off a layer at a time to see if that will work. My question is: Have you ever heard of cast iron warping? Has this ever happened to anyone before? Thanks, Michael Ray M17 383 Meg (my daughter has renamed it the "Molly M."

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Running Rigging
by Phil & Frances 06 Aug '08

06 Aug '08

I am going to replace the running rigging on my M 15. Some of it has been replaced with lines that are too long or too large. Does anyone know the original lengths and diameters of those lines? Phil Qui-1 M 15

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Anacapa/Ventura
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 06 Aug '08

06 Aug '08

Norm Bundeck (former owner of an M15 asked me to post this for him, as he was unable to get it to work from his computer...... ROLL CALL!!! August Channel Harbor/Ventura/Anacapa trip I recently sold my M15 #172 and bought a Pearson Electra and will be sailing with Sean and the Potters on August 30th. I can take two people on my new (old) boat. If you want to join the group without your boat, send me an e-mail. Here's a link to my boat: _http://yourcommunityweb.com/m15/anacapa.htm_ () Norm Bundek _nbundek(a)earthlink.net_ () **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000… )

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Mayday....well, sort of!
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 06 Aug '08

06 Aug '08

Michael, I had a problem with a stuck cast iron swing keel on my boat(M23), and oddly enough, when we initially removed the boat from the water it went up and down just fine. After being out of the water for a couple of weeks the swing keel was pinched in there so tight that it was a real bear to get out. In my case the problem was that the slot in the keel trunk had narrowed up due to rusting ballast inside that swelled when exposed to air. Not saying that this is your problem, but it might be something to look at. I wouldn't have thought your barrier coat and bottom paint should make it fit that tight. Good luck Sean M23 Dauntless www.havasumontgomerys.piczo.com **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000… )

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Re: M_Boats: Early fixed keel M17
by JAUICEO＠aol.com 05 Aug '08

05 Aug '08

Ron, Thanks for your reply. I wish you the best with the restoration job. You will have one of the best when she is back on the water. I hope to see her some day. I am still looking for mine! Best Regards John O In a message dated 8/5/2008 1:02:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ronkeeler(a)hotmail.com writes: John, Griselda spent much of the 80s on Lake Travis at Dutchman's Landing in Jonestown where my Brother lived. After a couple of bouts of skin cancer, her gave up outdoor activities and parked the boat in his backyare for several years. When he retired and moved to Stephenville, Griselda went with him and sat in his back yard there for several more years. A few weeks ago, I took posession of Griselda and moved her to my waterfront home on Lake Livingston where I am doing a major refurb and hope to have her in the water at my private dock in around Sept 1. Ron M17 # 14 Griselda > From: JAUICEO(a)aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 13:37:06 -0400> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Early fixed keel M17> > Ron, have I read that your M-17 is located in Lake Travis, Austin? I have a > relative that has his home on Lake Travis. If you would care together some > week-end I would like to see Griselda. I am shopping heavily for a good > clean used M-17 for Canyon Lake and Lake Travis. I am an Old M-17 owner form the > late 60/early 70s era/ now retired and want to get back into a Montgomery 17 > (or 17 FD (wishful thinking); f you know of any in the San Antonio, Austin > area, or any where within in driving or flying distance (ha) please drop me a > note. Regards, John O. SA,TX> > > In a message dated 7/31/2008 6:56:23 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > ronkeeler(a)hotmail.com writes:> > > Moto Itu is a much newer boat (90s) and the keel is an extended version of > the low aspect ratio fiberglass fin used with the keel/CB model. Griselda has > a swept back higher aspect ratio cast iron keel with a large bulb similar to > a Cal 20. I have attached pictures of the keel (before refinishing). If I > understand correctly, Montgomery built 20 of these boats before developing > the keel CB by popular demand after the 1974 boat shows. As you can see from > the picture, (before restoration) Griselda required a lot of work to get her > back to her old self. Most of the work after the bottom job was soap and > water work and the sails, although 16 years old, probably don't have 5 hours use > and were stored indoors. There is the full batten main with 2 sets of reef > points, a 150 Jenny, a high cut 110, a #2 jib, a heavy storm jib and a > spinaker with gear. There is rigging for jiffy reefing and lazy jacks in a box to > be installed. Back when my Brother had her in the water on Lake Travis, she > consistantly oursailed the two keel/CB M17s in the area. I am looking forward > to re-launching her and mooring her at the dock behind my house. I will post > both the before and after pix on the photo site soon. RonM17 #14Griselda> _________________________________________________________________> Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now!> http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm=> > _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> > > > > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000… )> _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _________________________________________________________________ Reveal your inner athlete and share it with friends on Windows Live. http://revealyourinnerathlete.windowslive.com?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGLM_W… A_whichathlete_us _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000… )

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Re: M_Boats: Early fixed keel M17
by JAUICEO＠aol.com 05 Aug '08

05 Aug '08

Ron, have I read that your M-17 is located in Lake Travis, Austin? I have a relative that has his home on Lake Travis. If you would care together some week-end I would like to see Griselda. I am shopping heavily for a good clean used M-17 for Canyon Lake and Lake Travis. I am an Old M-17 owner form the late 60/early 70s era/ now retired and want to get back into a Montgomery 17 (or 17 FD (wishful thinking); f you know of any in the San Antonio, Austin area, or any where within in driving or flying distance (ha) please drop me a note. Regards, John O. SA,TX In a message dated 7/31/2008 6:56:23 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ronkeeler(a)hotmail.com writes: Moto Itu is a much newer boat (90s) and the keel is an extended version of the low aspect ratio fiberglass fin used with the keel/CB model. Griselda has a swept back higher aspect ratio cast iron keel with a large bulb similar to a Cal 20. I have attached pictures of the keel (before refinishing). If I understand correctly, Montgomery built 20 of these boats before developing the keel CB by popular demand after the 1974 boat shows. As you can see from the picture, (before restoration) Griselda required a lot of work to get her back to her old self. Most of the work after the bottom job was soap and water work and the sails, although 16 years old, probably don't have 5 hours use and were stored indoors. There is the full batten main with 2 sets of reef points, a 150 Jenny, a high cut 110, a #2 jib, a heavy storm jib and a spinaker with gear. There is rigging for jiffy reefing and lazy jacks in a box to be installed. Back when my Brother had her in the water on Lake Travis, she consistantly oursailed the two keel/CB M17s in the area. I am looking forward to re-launching her and mooring her at the dock behind my house. I will post both the before and after pix on the photo site soon. RonM17 #14Griselda _________________________________________________________________ Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm= _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000… )

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Re: M_Boats: the missing 7
by JAUICEO＠aol.com 05 Aug '08

05 Aug '08

If Bob, would revive the FD-17; I'de take one in a Heart Beat, John O In a message dated 7/31/2008 3:33:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, flstout(a)msn.com writes: If you can find another one (fixed keel) that is for sale/sail, I would be interested. Thanks Fred Waka iti San Francisco Bay -------------------------------------------------- From: "Ronnie Keeler" <ronkeeler(a)hotmail.com> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 2:16 PM To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: the missing 7 > > Mark, > > I wonder where the other origonal fixed keels are. I have fixed keel Hull > #14 and I understand there were 20 or so built in 1974. Has anyone seen > any of the others? > > One modification my Brother made to my boat before I got it was to have a > full batten main made with lots of roach. I am interested in the masthead > backstay extension you have. Setting the backstay attachment point > another 5 inches aft should stop the sail from hitting the backstay. Do > you have a picture? My SIL does Stainless fabrication and could make up > one for me. > > Ron > M17 #14 > Griselda > >> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:02:03 -0700> From: m17flushdeck_amy(a)yahoo.com> >> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: the missing >> 7> > Where are the other 7 Flushdecks!> I know where Coyote went and Amy >> is in my care, but does anyone out there> know where the others went? >> It's like trying to find a long lost relative.> > The Flushdeck really is >> a very cool version of the M17, Every time I take Amy out I have to> >> answer questions about her from interested sailors. No one has ever seen >> one before.> It's kinda like walking down the street with a beautiful >> woman on your arm, people are always looking in your direction.> Bob >> should seriously consider reviving the Type.> Hell I'd provide the >> retractable bowsprits and masthead backstay extensions for him :)> > Fair >> Winds> Mark E> M17F/D> #103> AMY> > p.s. The Criuse sounds great! but the >> drive would kill my trailer ( Im due for a new one)> > > > > >> _______________________________________________> >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > _________________________________________________________________ > Stay in touch when you're away with Windows Live Messenger. > http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messen… > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000… )

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Cruiser's Challenge Photos
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 05 Aug '08

05 Aug '08

I attended the Cruiser's Challenge with my good friend Howie Goldbrandsen (AKA Capt Howie of the Socal Potters). We had a great time sweeping the back of the course making sure no-one got left behind! My racing tactics are a little (Lot) rusty! hahaha Honestly, the event was a real blast. The Monterey area is absolutely beautiful and a really fun place to visit. The gang up there treated us to a great time. Hat's off to them. I think that there were over 40 boats participating! WOW! The start line and mark roundings were a little crazy. Yes, it was blowing pretty good. Two boats were actually dismasted! (although there were extenuating circumstances in both cases) We couldn't have asked for better weather for a sailboat race! As always, Howie has put together a really neat slide show of the event, the people, and the area. Here's the link to it: _http://howies.net/socalpotter/cruiserchallenge2008/index.htm_ (http://howies.net/socalpotter/cruiserchallenge2008/index.htm) There were numerous Montys at the event and they did great! Sean M23 "Dauntless" **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000… )

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A Fall Rondevous in the Southwest
by Ronnie Keeler 05 Aug '08

05 Aug '08

California, Wisconsin and North Carolina are a bit far away for some of us to attend a rendevous. I can barely imagine driving 1,500+ miles towing Griselda, my fin keel M17, behind a compact SUV with the dinghy on the roof rack. I noticed that there are several M boats listed on the yahoo site in the area around Texas, Lousiana, Arkansas and New Mexico so, perhaps we can plan a get together in late October when it has cooled off and the weather is so nice in this neck of the woods. Lake Texhoma is pretty centrally located and big enough to cruise for a few days. It also has the advantage of being fairly deep which would be great for me with Griselda's 39 inch draft (thus the dinghy on the top rack). The fall winds are fairly consistant and it is a dry part of the year with warm, sunny days and cool, clear nights (less mosquitos too). I had thought about Corpus Christi or Galveston Bay but it would be a long treck for some of the folks and it is nice to cruise in fresh water. Is anyone interested? Ron M17 #14 Griselda _________________________________________________________________ Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm

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Montgomery 17
by RBGoodyear＠aol.com 05 Aug '08

05 Aug '08

I currently sail a Marshall Sandpiper in the Barnegat Bay NJ. I want to switch back to a sloop rigged boat from the cat rig and am looking at the Montgomery 17, but have only seen pictures. Is there a 17 in the new Jersey/Eastern PA that I can see. Thanks for your help bg **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000… )

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