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Re: M_Boats: wire rope for rigging
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 16 Feb '08

16 Feb '08

Contact Jerry Montgomery at _jerrynospam(a)jerrymontgomery.org_ (mailto:jerrynospam@jerrymontgomery.org) he can set you on the right direction. Gary O M-17 #316a **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565)

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Re: M_Boats: Cardinal Sin
by TOMMYVAL＠aol.com 16 Feb '08

16 Feb '08

Tim Have you given any thought to an O'Day 20, they were very nice boats, have the keel/centerboard and have a fair amount of space and if you can find one I'd bet it wouldn't be to expensive. Good Luck Gary Valetti M17 Bellerin **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565)

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Re: M_Boats: 1971 Flicka 20' Benford, ferro cement hull Sailboat with H.D. tr...
by TOMMYVAL＠aol.com 15 Feb '08

15 Feb '08

All, If anyone attended the Lyle Hess get together at Vera's on St.Leonards Creek( Chesapeake Bay) a few years back you might remember that Polarus Jack was there. It was a very nice time with about 50 or so Hess lovers in attendance. Gary Valetti M17 Bellerin **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565)

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1971 Flicka 20' Benford, ferro cement hull Sailboat with H.D. trailer
by al williams 15 Feb '08

15 Feb '08

If you follow the link in the Craigs list ad it will take you to Friends of Flicka. Click on Flicka's for sale, then click on Jubilee. At the end of the ad is a nice cruise story about Frank Durant's Flicka. -al williams _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan

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Re: M_Boats: Cardinal Sin
by bownez＠juno.com 15 Feb '08

15 Feb '08

Hi Tim and Listers, Here is how this "more room" scenario played out for me. Being very happy with my M17 in around 1999, I learned from this list a local sailor, Theo Petron, had purchased an M23 in San Diego and was having it shipped to Minnesota. I had seen an M23 before in Hooper's boatyard years ago, on a trailer, and was shocked about how much larger it seemed than an M17. One of the yardmen commented that "the owner has had this boat all over, he trailers it all around the midwest and also sails Superior". Wow. I asked Theo on line if I could come up to White Bear Lake and check out his new purchase. Being a warm hearted fellow Monty sailor (Theo had owned an M17), he quickly agreed and invited me up. My wife Nancy and I boarded, Theo handed us a cold beer, and started showing us around. He was busy cleaning, re-arranging, stowing, etc on his new vessel. Nancy and I moved below, she was able to stand easily, parked herself on the settee, looked around, and said "Oh Bones, we NEED one of these"! Well, not wanting to disappoint, I began searching. I actually found 2 in WI. Randy Palmer's sold before I got to view her, and Bill Wier's was out of my budget. But, in 2001 I did strike a deal with Larry Barkoff to become the next owner of Dick Lane's wonderful "Sadhana". I think it took me less than 30 seconds to decide after stepping aboard that it was sold. Two months later I rented a truck and hauled her from Lake Mead, NV to Mpls, Mn. Took 3 days. This will be my 7th season with an M23. I certainly wish Jerry would have made more of them. It seems alot of M17 sailors would like to take the step to her big sister. Theo and I have become best of friends, and he still proudly sails his M23. We recently discovered another one in Minnesota, I have not seen her yet but hope to track the owner down this summer. Reportedly she has a blue hull, and I thought mine was the only one! Anyway, I hope all the Monty diehards out there that dream of finding an M23, persist, search, wheel and deal until one becomes theirs. Later, Bones M23 #75 M17 #92 _____________________________________________________________ Discount Online Trading - Click Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3mJ8YT7ASWAVDigdDhCSMpiS9…

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1971 Flicka 20' Benford, ferro cement hull Sailboat with H.D. trailer
by Larry E Yake 15 Feb '08

15 Feb '08

http://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/boa/570016807.html Anybody interested in a cheap Flicka?

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wire rope for rigging
by Chris and Jeff Packer 15 Feb '08

15 Feb '08

Any thoughts about the quality of US manufactured SS 1x19 wire rope vs Korean manufactured wire rope. All I know is that there is a big difference in price. I can buy 3/16" SS 304 1x19 Loos wire rope from West Marine for about $2.00 per foot, or the same wire rope manufactured in Korea at Fisheries Supply in Seattle for about $.70 per foot. Big difference in price! Looking to buy for new standing rigging for my M-23. Any riggers out there with experience and recommendations? Jeff

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Winter Dreams
by Tim Diebert 15 Feb '08

15 Feb '08

After seeing Larry's post on his Dream Boat...it reminded me I had intended to do some research on another Lyle small boat design. The Falmouth Cutter. Little sister to the Bristol Channel Cutter and very distant relative of the 17 and 23 I expect. I came across this..a 5 hour drive away. In my old home marina. http://www.thunderbirdmarine.com/boat-info.php?ID=3028 Almost as nice as the new deck M23..

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Re: M_Boats: Furler jib
by JDavies104＠aol.com 13 Feb '08

13 Feb '08

Gary, Thanks for the input, and that brings up another decision - should I go for a 135% or a 150%? The price difference is pretty small, and the 150% would give better sailing in the Mid-Atlantic doldrums of July and August. I had thought that the limit of effective reefing was around a 25% reduction, which, starting with a 150% still leaves a lot of sail up. I'm hoping to use the sail over a wide range of conditions single-handing, so it seemed that the 135% might be the best compromise, but maybe I need to rethink it. Thanks, Rick ************** Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp0030000…)

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Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 60, Issue 6
by kdocter＠bellsouth.net 12 Feb '08

12 Feb '08

I saw this online today. Check out this link. Welcome Ben! http://www.hellomontgomery.com/BoatTrader.cfm Kendall M-15 #164 -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Flathead lake, Montana sailing (Saltm17(a)aol.com) > 2. Re: Flathead lake, Montana sailing (Rmceagrella(a)aol.com) > 3. new member (Ben Smith) > 4. RE: new member (Tom Smith) > 5. Re: new member (Doug Kelch) > 6. RE: Furler jib (Tom Jenkins) > 7. RE: Furler jib - sail size? (Doug Kelch) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 23:08:46 EST > From: Saltm17(a)aol.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Flathead lake, Montana sailing > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Message-ID: <d4f.21a9b335.34de814e(a)aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > > I sailed my M17 on Flathead lake in 1988 for 5 days. It is a very scenic > lake about 20 miles long (if failing memory serves) set in a basin surrounded > by > tall and beautiful mountains. There are some fairly shallows area but there > is just enough water to sail. The main part of the lake is very deep. There is > a Marina at the northern edge where we put in and sailed the length of the > lake south to the group of islands including No Horse island. Back then only > one of the islands had any development on them, and when we anchored in a small > cove a couple of BIG buck mule deer walked along the edge of the shore within > 30 yards of us. The water is COLD so don't expect to swim in it, and be > careful, because the lake is set in a valley, storms can comin elevation that > the > sailing season is short. I think we were there in August and were very glad to > have sleeping bags at night. Hope this helps, let me know if you have any > particular questions and I'll try to answer them > > John Edwards > MissT > M17 #372 > > > > > > > > > ************** > Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp0030000… > 5 > 48) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 01:01:05 EST > From: Rmceagrella(a)aol.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Flathead lake, Montana sailing > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Message-ID: <d65.1f7e4631.34de9ba1(a)aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Rick and I are both Flathead Lake natives, grew up there, and took our > first sailing lessons there out of Dayton, near Wild Horse Island. Flathead > Lake > is big, beautiful and can have some very nice wind. Usually good breeze in > the morning and late afternoon. There are just a few destinations though, few > parks and few marinas as most is privately owned, but they are available. > Dayton has a nice sailing club and is usually available to stay at. Polson at > the south end of the lake has now at least 2 marinas with available slips. > The swimming is fine Mid July through early September, a little chilly in June. > The storms do happen, but usually with fair warning. The first time we > took a boat out alone, the instructor said "It looks a little marginal today" > and we managed to broach the thing, yet lived to laugh about it. I'm always > amazed at how little boat traffic is on this lake. Absolutely gorgeous when > the weather is nice. If you need names of businesses, just let us know. We > have to haul the boat there from Spokane at least once a year to go sailing or > the summer just wouldn't be the same... > > Melanie > > > > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp0030000… > 5 > 48) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 21:59:06 +0000 > From: Ben Smith <productiongreatscott(a)hotmail.com> > Subject: M_Boats: new member > To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <BAY123-W20EDA711E64B17E797B427D6280(a)phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Hello, > My name is Ben and I am new to this mailing list. I do not currently own > a Montgomery but am looking to buy a 17. I live in Boston which I have decided > is one of the worst places to live if you are looking to buy one. Anyway, thanks > for welcoming me to this mailing list and fair winds. > > > Thanks, > > Ben > _________________________________________________________________ > Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. > http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 18:28:15 -0800 > From: "Tom Smith" <openboatt(a)gmail.com> > Subject: RE: M_Boats: new member > To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <001201c86b8c$a5929660$6501a8c0@Fairfield> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Welcome aboard Ben. t > > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Ben > Smith > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 1:59 PM > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: M_Boats: new member > > > Hello, > My name is Ben and I am new to this mailing list. I do not currently > own a Montgomery but am looking to buy a 17. I live in Boston which I have > decided is one of the worst places to live if you are looking to buy one. > Anyway, thanks for welcoming me to this mailing list and fair winds. > > > Thanks, > > Ben > _________________________________________________________________ > Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we > give. > http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 07:59:54 -0800 (PST) > From: Doug Kelch <doug_kelch(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: new member > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <919188.66546.qm(a)web58707.mail.re1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Ben, > > Welcome aboard! > > Several of the East Coast Montgomery boats have had some outstanding cruising in > Buzzard's Bay and the Islands. > > A great area for a Montgomery 17. > > Good luck in your search. > > Doug Kelch > M15 "Seas the Day" > > Ben Smith <productiongreatscott(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > Hello, > My name is Ben and I am new to this mailing list. I do not currently own > a Montgomery but am looking to buy a 17. I live in Boston which I have decided > is one of the worst places to live if you are looking to buy one. Anyway, thanks > for welcoming me to this mailing list and fair winds. > > > Thanks, > > Ben > _________________________________________________________________ > Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. > http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 14:34:21 -0800 > From: "Tom Jenkins" <tjenk(a)gte.net> > Subject: RE: M_Boats: Furler jib > To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <0JW300EXTIPGQEC4(a)vms046.mailsrvcs.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > Gary, > > Got a question on CDI furlers. > I think a furler is a great idea for boats kept in a slip or stored mast-up > on a trailer, but I would like the option of removing the setup for long > trips with lots of stops at different lakes. Seems like this would save wear > and tear on my body and the equipment. > I bought my boat with the furler installed, so I am wondering if the > headstay can be removed by taking off the anti-rotation strap, removing the > drum cover and turnbuckle, and slipping the stay out the top of the luff > extrusion. According to my reasoning (= wishful thinking), the sail would > be left furled on the luff during this procedure, and the stay could be > easily re-inserted from the top to activate the rig again. Am I missing > anything? > Thanks for any advice you can offer. > > Tom Jenkins > M17 Scintilla > > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Gary M > Hyde > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 1:38 PM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Furler jib > > Rick: > I went with the 150 because I sail in a lot of light summer air too. > Elliot-Pattinson made me a good sail. I had the foam added because we > forgot it in the initial order. I also had the sun shield (I guess you > call it that) to protect the sail when it's rolled up. > --Gary > On Feb 7, 2008, at 5:12 PM, JDavies104(a)aol.com wrote: > > > Gary, > > > > Thanks for the input, and that brings up another decision - should I > > go for a > > 135% or a 150%? The price difference is pretty small, and the 150% > > would > > give better sailing in the Mid-Atlantic doldrums of July and > > August. I had > > thought that the limit of effective reefing was around a 25% > > reduction, which, > > starting with a 150% still leaves a lot of sail up. I'm hoping to > > use the sail > > over a wide range of conditions single-handing, so it seemed that > > the 135% > > might be the best compromise, but maybe I need to rethink it. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Rick > > > > > > ************** > > Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > > > > > > > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp0030000 > 0002548 > > ) > > _______________________________________________ > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:36:25 -0800 (PST) > From: Doug Kelch <doug_kelch(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: RE: M_Boats: Furler jib - sail size? > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <937775.57228.qm(a)web58711.mail.re1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > I came accross a comment on roller reefing sail size at > http://www.yachtworks.net/Store/headsail_furling.htm > > and thought I would share it for the discussion. > > " Sail Selection One area of caution: we think you can > effectively reduce your headsail area by about 30%-from a 130% to a 100%-but not > much further. We've all seen ads in sailing magazines which imply that your 150% > genoa can be rolled into a storm jib, but that is nonsense. If you sail in an > area where the prevailing winds are light in one season and heavy in another, > you'll probably want two furling headsails: a 135% and a 110%, for example. " > > Thanks > > Doug Kelch > > > Tom Jenkins <tjenk(a)gte.net> wrote: > Gary, > > Got a question on CDI furlers. > I think a furler is a great idea for boats kept in a slip or stored mast-up > on a trailer, but I would like the option of removing the setup for long > trips with lots of stops at different lakes. Seems like this would save wear > and tear on my body and the equipment. > I bought my boat with the furler installed, so I am wondering if the > headstay can be removed by taking off the anti-rotation strap, removing the > drum cover and turnbuckle, and slipping the stay out the top of the luff > extrusion. According to my reasoning (= wishful thinking), the sail would > be left furled on the luff during this procedure, and the stay could be > easily re-inserted from the top to activate the rig again. Am I missing > anything? > Thanks for any advice you can offer. > > Tom Jenkins > M17 Scintilla > > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Gary M > Hyde > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 1:38 PM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Furler jib > > Rick: > I went with the 150 because I sail in a lot of light summer air too. > Elliot-Pattinson made me a good sail. I had the foam added because we > forgot it in the initial order. I also had the sun shield (I guess you > call it that) to protect the sail when it's rolled up. > --Gary > On Feb 7, 2008, at 5:12 PM, JDavies104(a)aol.com wrote: > > > Gary, > > > > Thanks for the input, and that brings up another decision - should I > > go for a > > 135% or a 150%? The price difference is pretty small, and the 150% > > would > > give better sailing in the Mid-Atlantic doldrums of July and > > August. I had > > thought that the limit of effective reefing was around a 25% > > reduction, which, > > starting with a 150% still leaves a lot of sail up. I'm hoping to > > use the sail > > over a wide range of conditions single-handing, so it seemed that > > the 135% > > might be the best compromise, but maybe I need to rethink it. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Rick > > > > > > ************** > > Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > > > > > > > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp0030000 > 0002548 > > ) > > _______________________________________________ > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 60, Issue 6 > ***********************************************

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