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Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 60, Issue 23
by Ben Smith 27 Feb '08

27 Feb '08

Thanks Dave, Does anyone know if the 17s have "positive flotation" blocks installed? Thanks, Ben ben: the M15 has 'positive flotation' in the form of foam blocks installed at the factory. the two foam locations are: under the cockpit floor, in the bow (in a screwed shut locker). the hull is solid fiberglass - not a floating sandwich like a 'whaler. so without the foam the M15 would sink. i have no idea what the 'lift potential' is for a swamped M15. thing is ... i've never read that an M15 has been swamped - neither by accident or by design. i don't believe the M17 has positive flotation. i'll be corrected if wrong ;o)- in a short bit i'm going to post some interior shots of my M15. this will show the foam locations. the link will be shared on this email list. dave scobie M15 #288, not yet named Ben Smith wrote: So forgive me on the confusion but I don't yet own a Montgomery. Are these boats made with foam in them to give them buoyancy even if knocked down (like a Boston Whaler)? What is the extent of a Montgomery's reserve buoyancy, what is installed at the factory? Thanks, Ben --------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan

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Re: M_Boats: wet lockers
by Ben Smith 27 Feb '08

27 Feb '08

So forgive me on the confusion but I don't yet own a Montgomery. Are these boats made with foam in them to give them buoyancy even if knocked down (like a Boston Whaler)? What is the extent of a Montgomery's reserve buoyancy, what is installed at the factory? Thanks, Ben ---------------------------------------- > From: montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 60, Issue 22 > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:10:56 +0000 > > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: M_17 Strawanza makes it to French Polynesia (E. Tony Reed) > 2. blue water M17 (alien) > 3. Re: from Kendall (Don Haas) > 4. Wet lockers...question from Kendall (kdocter(a)bellsouth.net) > 5. Re: Wet lockers...question from Kendall (W David Scobie) > 6. Re: Wet lockers...question from Kendall (Gary M Hyde) > 7. Re: Wet lockers...question from Kendall (wcampion(a)aol.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:15:11 -0600 > From: "E. Tony Reed" > Subject: Re: M_Boats: M_17 Strawanza makes it to French Polynesia > To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Bob, > > An amazing story and certainly speaks well of the Montgomery 17. More > importantly, it leaves not doubt about the ability of your shop to build a > blue water boat all in 17 feet. > > I will anxious to hear more about this trip. > > Best Regards, > > Tony Reed > > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Bob From > California > Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:55 AM > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: M_Boats: M_17 Strawanza makes it to French Polynesia > > > Hello Montgomery sailors..! > > We got a message from Wilhelm and he made it non-stop to > > "Rititea" (Gambier Island) on Feb 20th. (He left San Diego the > > day after Thanksgiving. (November 23rd 2007) > > He said he feels good and will start again in 2 weeks to > > Austral Island (French Polynesia) and New Caledonia. From > > there he will cross to Australia. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambier_Islands > > For those who are new on the list; Willy is singlehanding his > > Montgomery 17 to Africa. He provisioned the boat with > > enough food and water for 100 days. (He also had a hand > > operated water maker). It appears he just did 90 days > > solo crossing this portion of the Pacific.....WOW... > > Congradulations Willi......!! > > http://www.msogphotosite.com/mpage.html > > Fair winds > > Bob Eeg > (949) 489-8227 > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:19:45 -0600 > From: "alien" > Subject: M_Boats: blue water M17 > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Bob, I find the trip to Africa very interesting and wish we could hear more details. Although this a very significant voyage, a complete circle would do so much more to inform the public of your wonderful boat. > I do have trouble thinking of where he could have had a 90 day passage going East to West between the 30's. > I find this site interesting and read every email. Please keep it going. > > Ardell Lien > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:04:33 -0800 > From: "Don Haas" > Subject: Re: M_Boats: from Kendall > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi Kendall; > > Just to clarify - I didn't glue all the styrofoam together, just the liner. > I used the plastic foam mostly because it was free, salvaged from shipping > boxes from work. Plywood will work the same, and probably a lot easier too. > Good luck on you project. > > Don > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 5:02 AM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: from Kendall > > >> Thanks guys for all your comments. I saw a picture on the MSOG site that >> showed a M-15 swamped but not turtled. The reason I'm concerned about it >> going over is I have two boys that at some point ask to go solo. I just >> don't want issues with them while I not around. But then we do the same >> thing when we turn them loose in a car, don't we? >> >> Don, the glueing back of the foam was more what I had in mind. Thanks. I >> was thinking more in terms of lightweight plywood of something like that. >> >> Dave, I would appreciate some pics. Thanks. kdocter(a)bellsouth.net >> > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 08:19:55 +0000 > From: kdocter(a)bellsouth.net > Subject: M_Boats: Wet lockers...question from Kendall > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Message-ID: > > > > Dave, I was sitting in the cabin just daydreaming about how to utilize the space better and one of the ideas that I thought of was to take the cockpit lockers out and that would open up a great deal of space as well as give me access all the way aft. Is that what happened to the later models? The design changed? > > Can you send some pictures please. kdocter(a)bellsouth.net > > Kendall in NW Louisiana M-15 #164 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:41:44 -0800 (PST) > From: W David Scobie > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wet lockers...question from Kendall > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Kendall: > > i believe this is a owner option. don't know if this was done by jerry in '84 or by a prior owner. > > yes LOTS of space, thought i always worry about putting to much all in the stern. > > i'll be sharing photos shortly (need to visit the boat in winter storage today). > > > dave scobie > M15#288, not yet named > > kdocter(a)bellsouth.net wrote: > Dave, I was sitting in the cabin just daydreaming about how to utilize the space better and one of the ideas that I thought of was to take the cockpit lockers out and that would open up a great deal of space as well as give me access all the way aft. Is that what happened to the later models? The design changed? > > Can you send some pictures please. kdocter(a)bellsouth.net > > Kendall in NW Louisiana M-15 #164 > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:16:32 -0800 > From: Gary M Hyde > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wet lockers...question from Kendall > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > Kendall: > I cut out one of the cockpit lockers in my M15. Be sure to provide it > with a positive lid latch, so that if you heel too far over you don't > fill the cabin with water thru the locker lid that would likely fly > open if not latched. > --Gary Hyde > 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' > We can't change the wind, but we can trim our sails. > > On Feb 26, 2008, at 9:41 AM, W David Scobie wrote: > >> Kendall: >> >> i believe this is a owner option. don't know if this was done by >> jerry in '84 or by a prior owner. >> >> yes LOTS of space, thought i always worry about putting to much all >> in the stern. >> >> i'll be sharing photos shortly (need to visit the boat in winter >> storage today). >> >> >> dave scobie >> M15#288, not yet named >> >> kdocter(a)bellsouth.net wrote: >> Dave, I was sitting in the cabin just daydreaming about how to >> utilize the space better and one of the ideas that I thought of was >> to take the cockpit lockers out and that would open up a great deal >> of space as well as give me access all the way aft. Is that what >> happened to the later models? The design changed? >> >> Can you send some pictures please. kdocter(a)bellsouth.net >> >> Kendall in NW Louisiana M-15 #164 >> >> --------------------------------- >> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. >> _______________________________________________ >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:10:32 -0500 > From: wcampion(a)aol.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wet lockers...question from Kendall > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > Gary, > > > > That's a good thought, however, last year when I was blown over, (as Dave Scobie pointed out) I took water into the cockpit and lockers from over the gunwal and the shear force of the water rushing in, found it's way into my dry locker.? I have latches on my lockers which never opened.??The next day I opened my locker and found about 8 inches of water.??It was a good thing it was my?starboard locker, since my port locker has been cut out, and I did not have a bilge pump installed at the time.? As far as the stability of the Montgomery............if you?have buried the starboard gunwal below the water line and the cockpit is filling up with water and you don't end up swimming with the fishes...........then I don't believe?"turning turtle" will be a problem.? IMHO, however, I have turned turtle on two other boats?that I owned.? I guess I'm must be a terrible sailor to admit that one!!!? Anyone willing to?crew with me???? I guess not.? > > Fairwinds to all, > Skip Campion > M-15 #210, Wild Guppy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary M Hyde > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Sent: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 4:16 pm > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wet lockers...question from Kendall > > > > > Kendall: > I cut out one of the cockpit lockers in my M15. Be sure to provide it > with a positive lid latch, so that if you heel too far over you don't > fill the cabin with water thru the locker lid that would likely fly > open if not latched. > --Gary Hyde > 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' > We can't change the wind, but we can trim our sails. > > On Feb 26, 2008, at 9:41 AM, W David Scobie wrote: > >> Kendall: >> >> i believe this is a owner option. don't know if this was done by >> jerry in '84 or by a prior owner. >> >> yes LOTS of space, thought i always worry about putting to much all >> in the stern. >> >> i'll be sharing photos shortly (need to visit the boat in winter >> storage today). >> >> >> dave scobie >> M15#288, not yet named >> >> kdocter(a)bellsouth.net wrote: >> Dave, I was sitting in the cabin just daydreaming about how to >> utilize the space better and one of the ideas that I thought of was >> to take the cockpit lockers out and that would open up a great deal >> of space as well as give me access all the way aft. Is that what >> happened to the later models? The design changed? >> >> Can you send some pictures please. kdocter(a)bellsouth.net >> >> Kendall in NW Louisiana M-15 #164 >> >> --------------------------------- >> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. >> _______________________________________________ >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. 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Havasu Winter 2008 Event
by Steve R. 27 Feb '08

27 Feb '08

We are back home and had a wonderful time on Lake Havasu. It was nice to meet the M-boaters, P-boaters and other boaters. I regret that some were not able to come and some could not get out on the water. You were missed. The weather was pleasant, although with little wind Saturday, and often times there were no other boats in sight. Sean and Jo were great hosts. Thanks for shuttling everyone around and organizing the event. steve Steve R. M-15 #119 Lexington, KY

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M_17 Strawanza makes it to French Polynesia
by Bob From California 26 Feb '08

26 Feb '08

Hello Montgomery sailors..! We got a message from Wilhelm and he made it non-stop to "Rititea" (Gambier Island) on Feb 20th. (He left San Diego the day after Thanksgiving. (November 23rd 2007) He said he feels good and will start again in 2 weeks to Austral Island (French Polynesia) and New Caledonia. From there he will cross to Australia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambier_Islands For those who are new on the list; Willy is singlehanding his Montgomery 17 to Africa. He provisioned the boat with enough food and water for 100 days. (He also had a hand operated water maker). It appears he just did 90 days solo crossing this portion of the Pacific.....WOW... Congradulations Willi......!! http://www.msogphotosite.com/mpage.html Fair winds Bob Eeg (949) 489-8227

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Wet lockers...question from Kendall
by kdocter＠bellsouth.net 26 Feb '08

26 Feb '08

Dave, I was sitting in the cabin just daydreaming about how to utilize the space better and one of the ideas that I thought of was to take the cockpit lockers out and that would open up a great deal of space as well as give me access all the way aft. Is that what happened to the later models? The design changed? Can you send some pictures please. kdocter(a)bellsouth.net Kendall in NW Louisiana M-15 #164

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Re: M_Boats: from Kendall
by kdocter＠bellsouth.net 25 Feb '08

25 Feb '08

Thanks guys for all your comments. I saw a picture on the MSOG site that showed a M-15 swamped but not turtled. The reason I'm concerned about it going over is I have two boys that at some point ask to go solo. I just don't want issues with them while I not around. But then we do the same thing when we turn them loose in a car, don't we? Don, the glueing back of the foam was more what I had in mind. Thanks. I was thinking more in terms of lightweight plywood of something like that. Dave, I would appreciate some pics. Thanks. kdocter(a)bellsouth.net

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blue water M17
by alien 25 Feb '08

25 Feb '08

Hi Bob, I find the trip to Africa very interesting and wish we could hear more details. Although this a very significant voyage, a complete circle would do so much more to inform the public of your wonderful boat. I do have trouble thinking of where he could have had a 90 day passage going East to West between the 30's. I find this site interesting and read every email. Please keep it going. Ardell Lien

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Re: M_Boats: Anchor storage forward on M15
by Norm Bundek 25 Feb '08

25 Feb '08

I've taken the Styrofoam out of the forward V-berth locker to install a transducer for a fish finder/depth finder - http://www.msogphotosite.com/M15Sndr.html . I thought about using the empty compartment for other storage such as an anchor. Since I sail off the Southern California coast to Anacapa and Santa Cruz islands, I opted to feel more secure with the positive flotation. I solved part of the storage and forward weight for the anchor by securing my 11# claw anchor to a bow roller. This modification is located at: http://www.msogphotosite.com/MSOG/pdfpage/m15bowroller.pdf. I will be putting my 1981 M15 #172 up for sale next month. If anyone is interested, contact me off list. Norm M15#172 Ventura, CA

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Re: M_Boats: M_17 Strawanza makes it to French Polynesia
by TOMMYVAL＠aol.com 24 Feb '08

24 Feb '08

Bob Thanks for the update, keep em coming. It's good to hear of his success. Is anyone going to write an article about his adventure? A great testament to Lyle Hess and to the boat building abilities of your shop. Great job!! Gary Valetti M17 Bellerin **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-du… 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

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question from Kendall
by kdocter＠bellsouth.net 24 Feb '08

24 Feb '08

Has anyone got a war story about turning turtle on a 15? James, you mentioned an airbag. When I was diving many years ago, we had a small inflatable rubber thing. It used a co2 cartridge and it would inflate on demand and blow up the rubber "balloon" to the eqivilent of 80# of lift. About the size of a big beach ball. It had a lanyard on it to secure it to whatever you were trying to lift. I wonder if you ever "turtled" if something like that might pull the mast up to the waterline again. Randy, Thanks for your comment. It almost sounds to me like I'd be better off with less flotation rather than more. True? Kendall in NW Louisiana M-15 #164

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