December 2008 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

M 23 question
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 02 Dec '08

02 Dec '08

Hey guys, Don't know if some of the other 23's were lead or not. A heavy duty magnet should tell you, though. I agree with everything the guys have already written on this. First, Bones and Dave are correct. If everything is intact on the 23 (like the 17 and 15's) then no problem. I'd certainly leave it alone. The job that John, Theo, and myself did is totally do-able, but for me at least, it was NO fun. Second, John is correct that Lead is expensive! I thought I was going to be able to acquire "scrap" lead for next to nothing. In my case at least, that did not happen. I ended up getting it from a cartridge company in Phoenix for about $1/lb but that was a few years ago. Then you have to ship it or go get it. If I'm not mistaken, when they opened up Theo's keel they found a combination of lead ingots and steel punchings. The one benefit I think I have obtained from replacing the steel with lead is that concentration of the weight is lower and more compact, and I used the extra room achieved to add some extra weight in there (after emailing back and forth with Jerry M). I think Dauntless sails a little stiffer than some other 23's we've been around, although I'm sure we suffer a little from that in lighter breezes. We sit a little lower in the water. It sure comes in handy when it blows. Not that it has anything to do with the ballast job, but I don't think I have ever sailed a trailerable boat in heavier type winds that I felt so comfortable on. She seems to love just diggin' her shoulder in an going. If we get overpowered she takes care of us while we get the sail plan changed and then we are off and running again. I have read similar accounts from Mark up in Oregon about he and Roberta pushing "Faith" through some pretty rough conditions up there. Of course your question, Brian, leads me to wonder??? Have you located one of the "missing 23's" ??? I hope so! (There's only about 5 left that we don't know the whereabouts of) If you have I'd grab it! There was a run there for a while where they were turning up quite a bit, but things have gotten pretty quiet on the "available 23" market lately! Fred an Lily's '02 is for sale though in Tucson and I believe it is not only all lead, but if I'm not mistaken it has a stainless centerboard trunk and a bronze swing keel, doesn't it?? Let us know what you found! Sean M23 "Dauntless" _www.havasumontgomerys.piczo.com_ (http://www.havasumontgomerys.piczo.com) **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000…)

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Re: M_Boats: Honda Outboard
by JDavies104＠aol.com 02 Dec '08

02 Dec '08

My Honda 2 had problems idling at low throttle for over a year until I took it in for service last summer for an unrelated problem. The tech who worked on it said he had adjusted the idle, and since then it has never shut down at low throttle, but idles beautifully. I think upping the idle speed should help a lot, even at altitude. Rick M-17 Lynne L ************** Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?red… 001)

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mail list participants?
by Doug Kelch 02 Dec '08

02 Dec '08

Is there a way to determine who is currently on the list. I maintain a private Monty list and would like to cross check it to see who is on both so that I do not send them duplicate emails. Thanks Doug Kelch

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Re: M_Boats: M 23 question
by Julie Muller 02 Dec '08

02 Dec '08

Hi Brian..I have a M23 that had a sticking center board. I removed the board and rebuilt it and all was well for a short time. When the board stuck the second time I removed it, sanded off some of the excess fairing from the first rebuild, barrier coated, painted (anti fouling) and reinstalled, all was well for a short time. When the board stuck the third time I could no longer deny what the real problem was, a swollen centerboard trunk. With boat on trailer I cut large holes in the side of the keel (thanks Sean for the pictures and narrative) I found steel of course (where is the lead that was advertised?). About 60 % of the steel was encapsulated in resin and was fine, the rest which was in the center area of the trunk was loose and had settled like beans in a bean bag causing great pressure on both the trunk and outer wall of the keel. I decided to re-install the loose steel (lead is $2 a pound) and poured it in layers of resin just like Sean did with his lead. All is well and since there was no sign of water intrusion I think it should be a long lasting fix. Soooo I would say that the center board is a potential problem on any M23, if you love working on boats it is a perfect choice. That said I LOVE my boat...John Muller

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Re: M_Boats: (bow chocks)
by EinkaufR43＠aol.com 02 Dec '08

02 Dec '08

Hi Wannabe; My 1983 M-15, which I purchased in 2007, had a bare worn spot on the starboard teak rail ahead of the rear bow rail mount. It was perhaps 1/16" to 1/8" at the deepest in the center, and was scuffed about 1 1/4" wide. I can't tell for certain if it was from anchoring or from dock lines, though I suspect the latter. She does ride at anchor with the line on or near that spot however. I considered adding bow chocks, and even purchased a small skene pair. Being somewhat unwilling to carve up the rail to fit them in, I didn't use them (yet?). Maybe there are smaller ones that will handle the 3/8" line I use, but the ones I bought would have looked really stupid sitting on top of, and hanging over, the rail. They would have needed to be inset to have a chance of looking right. Instead I did a bit of epoxy filling. That turned out to my satisfaction, and is nearly invisible under a couple coats of Cetol Lite. When I get up my nerve to drill for that bow eye I bought, (I resist and fear the poking of holes at every opportunity) that hopefully will become my preferred anchoring point of attachment. New boats come with bow eyes, I believe, standard. Based on my experience, I'd say to ask Bob about adding chocks if buying new, or to wait to see if your usage requires them if buying used. I hope you find your boat! Ron, in Michigan M-15 #249, Bonaventure In a message dated 12/2/2008 11:58:22 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mrh219(a)yahoo.com writes: I am a wannabe m-15 owner, and was wondering if anyone would have an opinion whether the m-15 might benefit from bow chocks. I presume you anchor from the cleat on the foredeck, and does the anchor line cause problems with wear on the rails or pulpit? Have only seen the boat in pictures, so maybe I am missing something. _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000…)

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by mrh219＠yahoo.com 02 Dec '08

02 Dec '08

I am a wannabe m-15 owner, and was wondering if anyone would have an opinion whether the m-15 might benefit from bow chocks. I presume you anchor from the cleat on the foredeck, and does the anchor line cause problems with wear on the rails or pulpit? Have only seen the boat in pictures, so maybe I am missing something.

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Re: M_Boats: M23 Question
by bownez＠juno.com 02 Dec '08

02 Dec '08

Brian, I have been sailing my M23 for 7 years now and have had no ballast issues or a sticking swing keel. Theo Petron DID have a stuck swingkeel and Hooper's Yachts rebuilt the keel area. Bones ____________________________________________________________ Free information on vast array of home improvement projects. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2eRJAAVFLYfyNRWeN2psEHKYE…

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M23 Question
by Brian Gilbert 02 Dec '08

02 Dec '08

Hi Everybody... Does anyone know if Jerry used lead in any of the old M23s, or were they all ballasted with boiler punchings? It sure would be a nice boat to have, but digging out the ballast to replace with lead sounds like a waking nightmare of a job. Best Brian Gilbert Author, Fix It And Sail, the Complete Trailer Sailer

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North Channel 200
by Rick Langer 02 Dec '08

02 Dec '08

"How about a North Channel 200 in June of 2009?" Sounds good to me Doug. Rick

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Happy Thanksgiving to all my Monty friends
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 02 Dec '08

02 Dec '08

I am very thankful that I have met so many of you whether in person or through this crazy cyberspace thing. The folks that we have met through sailing this Monty of ours have enriched our lives more than you will ever know. Those that we haven't had the opportunity to meet in person yet, I hope to eventually. Thank you all for your guidance, support, ideas, and most of all Friendship. Happy Thanksgiving! ;-) Sean (and Jo) M23 Dauntless **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000…)

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