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Sailmaker
by Randy Wirth 10 Jul '07

10 Jul '07

I loved the original equipment my 74 M-17 came with. However, between age and sailing in over-the-top wind conditions I had to replace everything except the storm sail. On the recommendation of group members I went to Ullman sails for new main, jib, and genoa and have not been sorry. Make sure you have the correct dimensions for your mast and forestay (measure twice). randy M-17 "Fore Play" ----- Original Message ----- From: <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 11:48 PM Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 53, Issue 7 > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Favorite Monty sailmaker? (brian gilbert) > 2. Re: Favorite Monty sailmaker? (Bill Tosh) > 3. Re: Favorite Monty sailmaker? (Howard Audsley) > 4. RE: Favorite Monty sailmaker? (gilbert landin) > 5. Re: Favorite Monty sailmaker? (Gary M Hyde) > 6. tongue extension (dmostue(a)comcast.net) > 7. Re: Favorite Monty sailmaker? (Larry E Yake) > 8. Re: tongue extension (George Burmeyer) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 05:41:10 -0700 > From: brian gilbert <hammerguy(a)bellsouth.net> > Subject: M_Boats: Favorite Monty sailmaker? > To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <C2B77AF6.F67%hammerguy(a)bellsouth.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Hi All: > > Here's a request for opinions for those of you who have replaced sails... > who is your favorite sailmaker who does mail-orders? (no local sailmakers > in > Chattanooga, TN) > > I need to replace at least my main and possibly a jib as well. I've > ordered > from SailsEast before... the price was really good, and the cut and shape > were fine, but the finish and handwork was pretty minimal. I'd prefer to > spend a little more and get a well-built, longer lasting cruising sail. > I'm > wondering who else I should seek quotes from. > > Thanks very much > BG > > -- > Brian Gilbert > Author, Fix It And Sail, The Complete Trailer-Sailor > Marine Media > 3404 Hartford Dr > Chattanooga, TN 37415 > www.sailingsmall.com > > > From: montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > Reply-To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 21:44:18 -0600 > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 53, Issue 6 > > Hi Tom, > > I've raised my M17 off the trailer bunks using a floor jack and a > cushioning 2" x 6" piece of lumber under the keel. Worked fine. > > Bones > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 08:00:21 -0500 > From: "Bill Tosh" <billt(a)eastex.net> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Favorite Monty sailmaker? > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <004401c7c229$23262aa0$0101a8c0@tower> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Try T C Boats.com 903-743-5555 Rusk, TX. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: brian gilbert > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 7:41 AM > Subject: M_Boats: Favorite Monty sailmaker? > > > Hi All: > > Here's a request for opinions for those of you who have replaced sails... > who is your favorite sailmaker who does mail-orders? (no local sailmakers > in > Chattanooga, TN) > > I need to replace at least my main and possibly a jib as well. I've > ordered > from SailsEast before... the price was really good, and the cut and shape > were fine, but the finish and handwork was pretty minimal. I'd prefer to > spend a little more and get a well-built, longer lasting cruising sail. > I'm > wondering who else I should seek quotes from. > > Thanks very much > BG > > -- > Brian Gilbert > Author, Fix It And Sail, The Complete Trailer-Sailor > Marine Media > 3404 Hartford Dr > Chattanooga, TN 37415 > www.sailingsmall.com > > > From: montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > Reply-To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 21:44:18 -0600 > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 53, Issue 6 > > Hi Tom, > > I've raised my M17 off the trailer bunks using a floor jack and a > cushioning 2" x 6" piece of lumber under the keel. Worked fine. > > Bones > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 08:15:06 -0500 > From: Howard Audsley <haudsley(a)tranquility.net> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Favorite Monty sailmaker? > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <c04676f4aaecc404314a2395e75e38e1(a)tranquility.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > In the past few years, I've purchased 4 new headsails and a new main. > > My storm jib came from Ullman, San Diego. (Tom) > > http://www.ullmansails.com/lofts.html#sandiego > > My new 155 genny and asymmetrical spinnaker came from Elliot-Pattison, > who I believe is Bob's sailmaker at present: > > http://www.epsails.com/ > > My full batten main and working jib came from Kern Ferguson, who I > understood has retired and is no longer making sails. > > Out of all of them, I think the Ullman sail was the best built, best > performing. > > Even so, Since I've owned the boat, I've gotten the best performance > out of my original Reggie Armstrong main and working jib. Right up to > the point the 20 year old sails blew out (literally). I still have them > and would love to find someone to make me an exact replica....same > size, same cut, same reinforcement points, etc. > > With the old RA sails, I can remember being out in a good breeze with > occasional whitecaps breaking and flying the full main and jib and > doing 5.5 knots plus, going to weather, and heeled to maybe 15 degrees. > With my current setup, I heel more at less speed and never get much > over 5 knots to weather. A big part of it is the Kern sails are higher > profile and I think cut flatter. The working jib goes all the way to > the masthead and the main has some additional roach in it. It will hang > on the backstay in light air. > > On a related note, I was out over the weekend and flying the 155 and > full main in light to moderate air (5 to 10 knots). I was sailing with > a smaller boat and trying to slow down, I didn't crank the genny in > tight and left the main soft (front half luffing). The slowing down > part didn't work. I was sailing flat and doing 4 knots plus to weather > and she was pointing nearly as high as ever. The lesson was to sail her > "freed" up a bit.....I wasn't pointing as high, but with more speed and > less leeway, I got to weather faster. > > Howard > M17, #278 > Audasea > > > On Jul 9, 2007, at 7:41 AM, brian gilbert wrote: > >> Hi All: >> >> Here's a request for opinions for those of you who have replaced >> sails... >> who is your favorite sailmaker who does mail-orders? (no local >> sailmakers in >> Chattanooga, TN) >> >> I need to replace at least my main and possibly a jib as well. I've >> ordered >> from SailsEast before... the price was really good, and the cut and >> shape >> were fine, but the finish and handwork was pretty minimal. I'd prefer >> to >> spend a little more and get a well-built, longer lasting cruising >> sail. I'm >> wondering who else I should seek quotes from. >> >> Thanks very much >> BG >> >> -- >> Brian Gilbert >> Author, Fix It And Sail, The Complete Trailer-Sailor >> Marine Media >> 3404 Hartford Dr >> Chattanooga, TN 37415 >> www.sailingsmall.com >> >> >> From: montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com >> Reply-To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >> Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 21:44:18 -0600 >> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >> Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 53, Issue 6 >> >> Hi Tom, >> >> I've raised my M17 off the trailer bunks using a floor jack and a >> cushioning 2" x 6" piece of lumber under the keel. Worked fine. >> >> Bones >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 17:32:52 -0500 > From: "gilbert landin" <gilbert.landin(a)gmail.com> > Subject: RE: M_Boats: Favorite Monty sailmaker? > To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <200707092232.l69MW7aK001509(a)ms-smtp-04.texas.rr.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > TC boats did mine in Tan Bark, and I am quite pleased...For best results > send in your old ones. > > > > Gilbert > > Sagitta M17 1974 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: > montgomery_boats-bounces+gilbert.landin=gmail.com(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+gilbert.landin=gmail.com@mailman.xmission.c > om] On Behalf Of brian gilbert > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 7:41 AM > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: M_Boats: Favorite Monty sailmaker? > > Hi All: > > Here's a request for opinions for those of you who have replaced sails... > who is your favorite sailmaker who does mail-orders? (no local sailmakers > in > Chattanooga, TN) > > I need to replace at least my main and possibly a jib as well. I've > ordered > from SailsEast before... the price was really good, and the cut and shape > were fine, but the finish and handwork was pretty minimal. I'd prefer to > spend a little more and get a well-built, longer lasting cruising sail. > I'm > wondering who else I should seek quotes from. > > Thanks very much > BG > > -- > Brian Gilbert > Author, Fix It And Sail, The Complete Trailer-Sailor > Marine Media > 3404 Hartford Dr > Chattanooga, TN 37415 > www.sailingsmall.com > > > From: montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > Reply-To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 21:44:18 -0600 > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 53, Issue 6 > > Hi Tom, > > I've raised my M17 off the trailer bunks using a floor jack and a > cushioning 2" x 6" piece of lumber under the keel. Worked fine. > > Bones > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 17:18:41 -0700 > From: Gary M Hyde <gmhyde1(a)mac.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Favorite Monty sailmaker? > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <291D6766-46B9-44B1-AD94-6D74F5853543(a)mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > I'm very satisfied with the performance of the Elliott-Pattison sails > that came with my 2005 M17. The roller-reefing genoa is cut so that I > don't have to move the jib sheet turning block when I reef. > Having trouble keeping the main slugs attached is the only down side. > > --Gary Hyde > 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' > We can't change the wind, but we can trim our sails. > > > On Jul 9, 2007, at 3:32 PM, gilbert landin wrote: > >> TC boats did mine in Tan Bark, and I am quite pleased...For best >> results >> send in your old ones. >> >> >> >> Gilbert >> >> Sagitta M17 1974 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: montgomery_boats-bounces >> +gilbert.landin=gmail.com(a)mailman.xmission.com >> [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces >> +gilbert.landin=gmail.com(a)mailman.xmission.c >> om] On Behalf Of brian gilbert >> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 7:41 AM >> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >> Subject: M_Boats: Favorite Monty sailmaker? >> >> Hi All: >> >> Here's a request for opinions for those of you who have replaced >> sails... >> who is your favorite sailmaker who does mail-orders? (no local >> sailmakers in >> Chattanooga, TN) >> >> I need to replace at least my main and possibly a jib as well. I've >> ordered >> from SailsEast before... the price was really good, and the cut and >> shape >> were fine, but the finish and handwork was pretty minimal. I'd >> prefer to >> spend a little more and get a well-built, longer lasting cruising >> sail. I'm >> wondering who else I should seek quotes from. >> >> Thanks very much >> BG >> >> -- >> Brian Gilbert >> Author, Fix It And Sail, The Complete Trailer-Sailor >> Marine Media >> 3404 Hartford Dr >> Chattanooga, TN 37415 >> www.sailingsmall.com >> >> >> From: montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com >> Reply-To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >> Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 21:44:18 -0600 >> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >> Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 53, Issue 6 >> >> Hi Tom, >> >> I've raised my M17 off the trailer bunks using a floor jack and a >> cushioning 2" x 6" piece of lumber under the keel. Worked fine. >> >> Bones >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 03:09:19 +0000 > From: dmostue(a)comcast.net > Subject: M_Boats: tongue extension > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Message-ID: > <071020070309.15498.4692F85F0003AF4300003C8A22165499760A9A9B9C01030B(a)comcast.net> > > > Hi all, > I have a Trail-rite trailer and was wondering if any of you have added a > tongue extension for your > Trail-rite. What has been your experience? Thanks. > Dan Mostue > M15 #500 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 20:31:37 -0700 > From: Larry E Yake <leyake(a)juno.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Favorite Monty sailmaker? > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Message-ID: <20070709.203137.3636.0.leyake(a)juno.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I've had good luck with Yager Sails. www.yagersails.com He made my 150 > roller furler genoa five years ago and it has been a great sail. This > year I had him make me a new main and a 180 drifter. Both are quality > made with attention to detail. Excellent foil shape. There are cheaper > sailmakers out there, but I think he's worth the extra cost. A big plus > for me is that he's only an hour away (in Spokane, Wa.) and we can > discuss the details in person. If you want to see pictures of my sails, > check out the various San Juan 2007 cruise photo sites that have been > listed. > > Larry > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 23:47:55 -0700 > From: George Burmeyer <gburmeyer(a)mac.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: tongue extension > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <0303BCFB-6665-42CD-805D-76A6EF119C3F(a)mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > Dan, > > I have a Trail-rite also, and one of the first things I did when I > got my 15 was take the trailer to a commercial welder and have an > extension built. They cut off the couple and tongue, welded on a > hefty square tube about two feet long and made a seven foot hollow > steel bar that slides into the tube where it is held in place by a > standard half inch hitch pin. A new coupler was welded to one end of > the sliding tongue. They did a nice job and returned it to me with > all the parts painted to match the rest of the trailer, new safety > chains, coupler and hitch pin. Cost about $400 U.S. parts and labor. > > Procedure at the ramp is to deploy the jack (I use a swing-back > model), block the wheels, unhitch the trailer, lights and safety > chains, remove the hitch pin from the extension, pull the extension > out and re-insert the hitch pin into a hole in the after end, hook up > to the vehicle and swing the jack out of the way. I use a stout > extra long dock line tied off to the bow cleat and tied off to the > truck for safety (no chains with tongue extended) and so I can > unhook the winch from the bow eye and control the boat dry-footed as > it floats off. Pretty straightforward really and sounds more > complicated than it is. All this only takes about ten minutes extra. > > It is best to rig the boat with the tongue in its road position to > avoid strain on the extension. Also I do not recommend jumping into > the stern of the boat while it is on the trailer with the tongue > extended as this can exert enough force to pop the coupler off the > hitch ball. Do not ask me how I know this. > > I always remove the tongue when the boat is put away in the garage. > It stows neatly out of the way on the trailer cross members and gives > an extra foot of clearance. It also avoids any possibility of the > extension rusting tight in the tube. > > All said, I am very happy with this mod. It is simple and elegant and > has allowed me to sail off shallow ramps and retrieve at low tides > while keeping my truck out of the brine. > > Cheers > > George > "Haiku" 1986 M15 #385 > Santa Rosa, CA > > > On Jul 9, 2007, at 8:09 PM, dmostue(a)comcast.net wrote: > >> Hi all, >> I have a Trail-rite trailer and was wondering if any of you have >> added a tongue extension for your >> Trail-rite. What has been your experience? Thanks. >> Dan Mostue >> M15 #500 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 53, Issue 7 > ***********************************************

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tongue extension
by Rick Langer 10 Jul '07

10 Jul '07

I wrestled with the same complicated solution that George describes and then saw an item that Doug Kelch has that seemed to be the perfect simple solution. It's a 2"x2"x4' box beam that slides into the receiver of the tow vehicle and has a hitch ball on the other end. To use it you unhitch the trailer, insert the extension, re-hitch and launch. Simple, use it when you need it, don't when you don't. I took it one step further. I made one from a 4 foot piece of 2"x2" angle iron, drilled a hole for the hitch pin and one for the ball and I was in business. It's simple and works well. Rick Langer M15 #337 Bluebird > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 23:47:55 -0700 > From: George Burmeyer <gburmeyer(a)mac.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: tongue extension > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <0303BCFB-6665-42CD-805D-76A6EF119C3F(a)mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > Dan, > > I have a Trail-rite also, and one of the first things I did when I > got my 15 was take the trailer to a commercial welder and have an > extension built. They cut off the couple and tongue, welded on a > hefty square tube about two feet long and made a seven foot hollow > steel bar that slides into the tube where it is held in place by a > standard half inch hitch pin. A new coupler was welded to one end of > the sliding tongue. They did a nice job and returned it to me with > all the parts painted to match the rest of the trailer, new safety > chains, coupler and hitch pin. Cost about $400 U.S. parts and labor. > > Procedure at the ramp is to deploy the jack (I use a swing-back > model), block the wheels, unhitch the trailer, lights and safety > chains, remove the hitch pin from the extension, pull the extension > out and re-insert the hitch pin into a hole in the after end, hook up > to the vehicle and swing the jack out of the way. I use a stout > extra long dock line tied off to the bow cleat and tied off to the > truck for safety (no chains with tongue extended) and so I can > unhook the winch from the bow eye and control the boat dry-footed as > it floats off. Pretty straightforward really and sounds more > complicated than it is. All this only takes about ten minutes extra. > > It is best to rig the boat with the tongue in its road position to > avoid strain on the extension. Also I do not recommend jumping into > the stern of the boat while it is on the trailer with the tongue > extended as this can exert enough force to pop the coupler off the > hitch ball. Do not ask me how I know this. > > I always remove the tongue when the boat is put away in the garage. > It stows neatly out of the way on the trailer cross members and gives > an extra foot of clearance. It also avoids any possibility of the > extension rusting tight in the tube. > > All said, I am very happy with this mod. It is simple and elegant and > has allowed me to sail off shallow ramps and retrieve at low tides > while keeping my truck out of the brine. > > Cheers > > George > "Haiku" 1986 M15 #385 > Santa Rosa, CA > > > On Jul 9, 2007, at 8:09 PM, dmostue(a)comcast.net wrote: > >> Hi all, >> I have a Trail-rite trailer and was wondering if any of you have >> added a tongue extension for your >> Trail-rite. What has been your experience? Thanks. >> Dan Mostue >> M15 #500

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Favorite Monty sailmaker?
by brian gilbert 10 Jul '07

10 Jul '07

Hi All: Here's a request for opinions for those of you who have replaced sails... who is your favorite sailmaker who does mail-orders? (no local sailmakers in Chattanooga, TN) I need to replace at least my main and possibly a jib as well. I've ordered from SailsEast before... the price was really good, and the cut and shape were fine, but the finish and handwork was pretty minimal. I'd prefer to spend a little more and get a well-built, longer lasting cruising sail. I'm wondering who else I should seek quotes from. Thanks very much BG -- Brian Gilbert Author, Fix It And Sail, The Complete Trailer-Sailor Marine Media 3404 Hartford Dr Chattanooga, TN 37415 www.sailingsmall.com From: montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com Reply-To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 21:44:18 -0600 To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 53, Issue 6 Hi Tom, I've raised my M17 off the trailer bunks using a floor jack and a cushioning 2" x 6" piece of lumber under the keel. Worked fine. Bones

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tongue extension
by dmostue＠comcast.net 10 Jul '07

10 Jul '07

Hi all, I have a Trail-rite trailer and was wondering if any of you have added a tongue extension for your Trail-rite. What has been your experience? Thanks. Dan Mostue M15 #500

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Re: M_Boats: Favorite Monty sailmaker?
by Larry E Yake 10 Jul '07

10 Jul '07

I've had good luck with Yager Sails. www.yagersails.com He made my 150 roller furler genoa five years ago and it has been a great sail. This year I had him make me a new main and a 180 drifter. Both are quality made with attention to detail. Excellent foil shape. There are cheaper sailmakers out there, but I think he's worth the extra cost. A big plus for me is that he's only an hour away (in Spokane, Wa.) and we can discuss the details in person. If you want to see pictures of my sails, check out the various San Juan 2007 cruise photo sites that have been listed. Larry

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beaching m17s
by Rick Langer 09 Jul '07

09 Jul '07

Tom, every time you trailer most of your boats weight is on the keel. I wouldn't worry as much about the keel as I would about the centerboard getting jammed due to sand. Also, it might be difficult to get off the beach if wind and waves drive you up a ways. Rick Langer M15 #337 Bluebird > Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 14:50:46 -0700 > From: "Tom Jenkins" <tjenk(a)gte.net> > Subject: M_Boats: beaching m17s > To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <05b601c7c0e0$fcab98e0$5e2e2b3f@scss7iw3axjsyt> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi all, > I am wondering if anyone could share experiences with the > latest-generation M17 keel. Will it snap off if I ground my boat in sand > or mud for a picnic or an overnight stay in calm lake weather (you know, > as with one of those unmentionable P-boats)? Will sand tend to jam the > centerboard? Pushing the envelope further, has anyone supported a boat on > its keel without disaster? I read a posting from the archives indicating > that a 17 can be supported on custom sawhorses just fore and aft of the > keel (so the trailer can be slipped out), but that is another matter. > > Thanks, > Tom Jenkins > Scintilla

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beaching m17s
by Bobbie Mayer 09 Jul '07

09 Jul '07

I have an M15, not an M17, but as far as sand jamming it, no problem. Rocks, yes, a problem. If you beach it you want to make sure you are not on a rocky bottom or you have a high likelihood of getting a rock stuck. I've never had that happen in sand. Bobbie

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beaching m17s
by Tom Jenkins 08 Jul '07

08 Jul '07

Hi all, I am wondering if anyone could share experiences with the latest-generation M17 keel. Will it snap off if I ground my boat in sand or mud for a picnic or an overnight stay in calm lake weather (you know, as with one of those unmentionable P-boats)? Will sand tend to jam the centerboard? Pushing the envelope further, has anyone supported a boat on its keel without disaster? I read a posting from the archives indicating that a 17 can be supported on custom sawhorses just fore and aft of the keel (so the trailer can be slipped out), but that is another matter. Thanks, Tom Jenkins Scintilla

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Re: M_Boats: beaching m17s
by bownez＠juno.com 08 Jul '07

08 Jul '07

Hi Tom, I've raised my M17 off the trailer bunks using a floor jack and a cushioning 2" x 6" piece of lumber under the keel. Worked fine. Bones

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Re: M_Boats: Slugfest
by Wcpritchett＠aol.com 06 Jul '07

06 Jul '07

Jiffy reefing is overkill to me for small boats because small sails are easy to control without block and tackle help...simple is better to me but big boat sails are a different story. I guess there are different preferences on how to reef with slugs but there is no need to remove the slug stop or let slugs drop out for reefing. They stay in the slot and let the sail flake down around them. The tack is hooked as usual and the flaked sail poses no clearance or handling issues. The usual set up for slugs is boom below a slot. Bill P. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

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