March 2007 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

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by Jorge Johnson 19 Mar '07

19 Mar '07

Hi, I just recently bought a Montgomery 17 and towed her home in east central Texas. Usually we have year round sailing here (not to rub it in) but are currently having an ice storm that makes most Texans shake their heads in disbelief. Quite frustrating to a new boat owner as well !!!!!! But milder weather won't be too far away. Plenty of time to surf the net with a hot cup of coffee by my side, looking for upgrades and modifications to be made to the boat. One question I have is about power for accessories- I imagine there are quite a few Montgomery's that have a battery for VHF, lights, accessories and all. This 17 does. A heavy deep cycle battery at that. I was wondering, how do you monitor the state of charge in the battery? My current mode will be to fully charge it at home, then hope to made due on the first multi-day camping trip. Don't intend to run much stuff off of it but it would be nice to have a anchoring light at night, lights to read by, hang some X-mas lights for a festive evening, etc, but don't want to unexpectedly discharge the battery, be able to ration for the weekend. Also, would like to get some sort of solar panel to recharge during the day. Any thoughts or experience with this? Stay warm! George J. Caldwell TX Montgomery 17 #600

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re: Remote gas tank for Honda 2hp
by Steve R. 19 Mar '07

19 Mar '07

Harry, I "borrowed" an idea from someone, I do not recall if was here or the TSBB site. I have a 3-gallon remote outboard tank, a length of 1/4 inch fuel hose, an outboard primer bulb, a plastic lawn mover shut off valve, and some hose clamps. The shut off valve is at the end of the hose. When the Honda runs out of gas, I can squeeze the bulb 16 times (IIRC) and fill the tank up. It is quicker to do than to describe. I hold the tiller and bulb in one hand and position the valve so that the fuel enters the tank. Be careful with that Honda gas cap, they can come loose and some have been lost. You may want to buy a spare. Most of the time I do not need much extra gas, so I carry a red Nalgene bottle made to hold fuel for a camp stove. The bottle holds about as much as the tank. A full tank lasts more than an hour. I can go anywhere on my home lake with that much gas. The 3-gallon tank is overkill, but it is the smallest I could find. steve Steve R. M-15 #119 Lexington, KY ******************************************************** Hello: I have ordered a 2hp Honda for my new M15(Li'L Nan,hull#707).I would like a remote fuel tank to hook up to.The local Honda dealer is willing to modify things but has never done it before.A mechanic friend has said that the fuel pump rate of flow will be the problem-I won't have gravity on my side.Has anyone done this? Thanks, Harry.

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Fwd: Re: Fiberglass sailboat, 10' car-top - $300
by Bobbie Mayer 18 Mar '07

18 Mar '07

>I got some more info and while it probably is not the boat for me, >especially since I just bought a camp trailer that needs some TLC >and want a boat in Washington, not here. But its probably a good >project boat for someone. I asked why it hasn't sold and he said a lot of people think Discovery Bay is too far (off Highway 4 in the Delta area west of Stockton). He says the mast was replaced with copper, which is heavier than the aluminum (and weaker?). There is a crack that shows in the picture that is about 1 1/2 feet long. He says it has the rigging, said he just took some guy out to sail it, and the guy said he was looking for a boat that had a boom that was higher than his head. I have some more photos if anyone wants to see them. Bobbie

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OT: Dover Dory- anyone in Discovery Bay
by Bobbie Mayer 18 Mar '07

18 Mar '07

Has anyone heard of a Dover Dory by Cartop boats? http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/boa/296021713.html I'm looking for a rowboat and this looks really nice but won't be in that area until at least Friday, is anybody nearby who could check it out for me? Bobbie

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OT: Dover Dory- anyone in Discovery Bay
by Bobbie Mayer 18 Mar '07

18 Mar '07

I emailed the guy and asked for photos that were closer up. If it looks great I'll see if he'll agree to hold it for me until Friday when I can get there to get it. I figure its a risk asking someone else to look at it as they might buy it themselves! But this guy had it advertised earlier for $350 and if it is in useable shape someone should have bought it- that's what makes me suspicious. Bobbie

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Here's a project for you: 40' Lyle Hess motorsailer
by Nick Chappell 18 Mar '07

18 Mar '07

For those with too much time and/or money on their hands, here's a project opportunity: a Lyle Hess designed and built boat that needs a little TLC. Well, maybe more than a little... Check this out: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=011&sspagename=… If the link is too long to paste, go to eBay and search for item no. 320091530115, "1947 Lyle Hess Lady Elizabeth Yacht Sailboat Sail Boat" --------------------------------- We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list.

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M15 - Portland
by Steve & Diana Parsons 17 Mar '07

17 Mar '07

Greats, I just saw a M15, 1981 vintage listed in the Oregonian for $4950. Says in good shape with Honda 2. 503 653-7165 or 503 453-2411 Steve

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Re: M_Boats: Lead Keel
by Sailfan1 16 Mar '07

16 Mar '07

I asked this very question a few months ago and Jerry replied. He said that he changed to lead sometime around 90/91 but he couldn't be sure with which hull number. My boat is a '91, number 478, and I confirmed it has lead ballast. I tried the magnet method but gave up due to uncertainty. I ended up cutting a small area in the bilge under the third "hatch" forward of the head. They are small lead pellets. I believe Bob replied that all his boats have been lead ballast. Ashley M15 #478 Morgan Hill, CA ----- Original Message ---- From: John Tyner <tynerjr(a)md.metrocast.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 4:41:23 PM Subject: RE: M_Boats: Lead Keel Someone mentioned checking with a magnet. This (with a strong magnet) verified that there's steel in the keel of my '88, #412. But it doesn't seem to be everywhere, the magnet wasn't attracted near the front or rear. It could just be that the fiberglass is too thick there, though. I was kind of hoping there'd be no attraction anywhere. ~ John Tyner M-15 #412 "Chimpanzee" -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+tynerjr=md.metrocast.net(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+tynerjr=md.metrocast.net@mailman.xmissi on.com]On Behalf Of RandyG Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 7:20 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: RE: M_Boats: Lead Keel Christian, I might be able to help with your question. It was some time in 1988 that M15 went to lead ballast in the keel. I believe M15 centerboards started using lead as the ballast some time before the keels became lead ballasted. As I understand it, early M15's used shot as the ballast in the centerboard. We sailed 1988 M15 #407 for many years. The ballast in the keel area was not lead, but the ballast in the centerboard was lead (a sheet of lead sandwiched between two sheets of fiberglass). Same with our 1988 M17 #410, she has a fiberglass centerboard with lead ballast, but the keel is ballasted with steel punching. As I understand it, it was sometime during the 1988 production year that all boats switched to lead. Also, the fiberglass centerboard in the M17 is the same fiberglass centerboard used in the M15, this is true even today. M17's up until late 1987 used a 220 - 240 lb cast iron centerboard. The fiberglass centerboard weighs about 40 lbs.... (or is it 70 lbs.....). I think my dates are close, others can pitch-in with more accurate information. Randy Graves M17 #410 From: Hughston, Larry Sent: Tue 3/13/2007 3:39 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: RE: M_Boats: Lead Keel This "lead keel" question is for Jerry Montgomery. Bob Eeg might know too. ---L. Hughston M-15 #189 (1981 manufacture) -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov@mailman.xmiss ion.com] On Behalf Of m15(a)frontiernet.net Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:27 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats; Jorge Johnson Cc: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lead Keel Quick Question, What year did the M15's go to a "LEAD" keel? Thanks Christian _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html

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Re: M_Boats: Lead Keel- Long Rant
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 16 Mar '07

16 Mar '07

Well -----Thank You! Its funny how wanting to defend one's -toy, dearly held possesion, investment(?), family member, friend, etc -will do to stir one up. Take Care Have Fun Go Sail GO ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

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Re: M_Boats: Lead Keel- Long Rant
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 16 Mar '07

16 Mar '07

Re: Lead versus Steel Ballast - If I may.... gotta love the internet - you can just butt in anytime you want! I drilled the keelson of my boat for a transducer about 11 years ago. Took me two if not 2.5 bimetal good quality hole saws to get thru the d#mn boat! Yes, I found the 'dreaded' steel. I thought 'darn this is less than perfect' and proceeded to install the transducer fitting using 3M 5200 making sure as always that a complete seal was made inside the boat and outside of course. This boat is dry sailed, 1980 model high on deferred maintenance until this last year (lack of use last ten years). I have experience ZERO problems with the centerboard and or keel. About 15 years ago I replaced the board pennant for the previous owner and no issues. I would like to spend some quality time lying on my back beneath the trunk - remove the board - clean and retape the edges as is well documented graphically by the Wrinkleboat wrepair wizard - Sean Mulligan. This exercise in goobies falling into my eyes and other head parts is preventative and for speed enhancements it would appear. No excess rust, no stuck board, no viagra-like swelling of the keel area. And all this in a 27 year old boat with steel punch drops for ballast. I guess I go off on this in a defensive stance - the earlier boats do not deserve the stigma of Bad Boat - steel ballast - if they are managed properly. Shoot if you want a no maint. boat get a Sunfish. Little headroom in mine but almost 0 maint. Lead is nice, but if one discounts all the 'early' - read "steel" boats you are very limited and have few and far more expensive choices available. IMnHO I seriously favor the original deck, interior and toerail. I looked long and hard to find my boat, and had the choice of many (ex Marine Idiot Professional) (MIP I believe coined by USSailing in the 80's) Marine Industry Professional - to prevent or separate amateur sail racers from professional sail racers. My choice was based on the: build quality at time of manufacture/interior layout-galley type/aluminum toerail. From about 1970 to the day Jerry quit building Montgomery's my family was a dealer for his boats, I knew and REALLY liked the early models. PS I think -- virtually all the 23's are steel -- ones that have had their ballast replace spent YEARs in the water - 15's and most 17's are not subjected to this immersion/galvanic action scenario, they are THE BEST TRAILERABLE SAILBOATS under 20 feet available! They are usually on a trailer - nice and dry, no blisters, bottompaint, galvanic issues, etc! Don't Worry - Be Happy - Go sailing. GO M-17 #316a a "Steelie" and darn proud of it! If the boat has been well cared for and the board is working when it has been dry (out of the water 24/7) for at least 30 days +- the wet boats need additional evaluation by PROFESSIONALS in the GRP industry. I cannot fathom a party buying a boat on a trailer and not checking the CB operation - Caveat Emptor! ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

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