March 2006 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Re: M_Boats: outboard motors
by bownez＠juno.com 15 Mar '06

15 Mar '06

Hi There Wesley, I always remove my motor when transporting either Montgomery. Bones

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T-Shirt Art
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 15 Mar '06

15 Mar '06

If you have interest in MSOG T-Shirts, check out the possibles on the Photo Site. I made a few examples - more to follow, I'm sure. _http://www.msogphotosite.com/T-Shirt%20Art.html_ (http://www.msogphotosite.com/T-Shirt%20Art.html) Let's get some suggestions started from the group... The art sent can be black & white. The T-shirt company can make the boats and sails in any color. Or, if the colors are good as shown, it could save a buck by being able to provide camera ready artwork. Myself I like the idea of a pocket T and I like something (MSOG?) on the front either on or above the pocket, with the majority of the art on the back. Any other thoughts / suggestions / preferences NOT TAKING ORDERS YET - waiting for Bob E's okay to use the Montgomery Sailboats name.

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Re: M_Boats: New to the list
by chbenneck＠juno.com 15 Mar '06

15 Mar '06

Hi Bones, I Second the Motion. Been there: Done that. A big boat means operating out of a fixed base - Marina or mooring - and the costs keep rising every year. Then there are the maintenance costs: bigger is automatically more expensive. Dockage goes by the foot length of the boat (that's why in bygone days the smarties had retractable bow sprits). ....and as you so correctly stated, larger does not mean more fun. I found the opposite to be true. Costs for M15 maintenance are small change. It's all doable yourself - no yard facilities needed. An M15 is instantly ready to go where ever your mood dictates: Chesapeake Bay? Maine? the Florida Keys? Georgian Bay? Every place is suddenly reachable in a few hours driving time. Sixty-five MPH to windward on an Interstate is hard to duplicate in a larger vessel. The sailing experience palette widens enormously the smaller the boat becomes. Sure there are compromises, but these are easy to live with when you use a bit of imagination to solve the problems. Our M15 was an ideal vessel for two people Connie

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Re: M_Boats: outboard motors
by Wilsometer＠aol.com 15 Mar '06

15 Mar '06

In a message dated 3/14/06 2:48:55 PM, montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com writes: > Wesley: > I trailed my M15 with the 2 hp Honda in place on the motor bracket on > the transom. The motor only weighs 28 pounds. Never had a problem. > > I plan to trailer my M17 with the 50-pound Yamaha on the motor > bracket too. The bracket is pretty strong and well backed up on the > transom as far as I can tell. I like to minimize the work involved in > trailing and launching (am I lazy?!), and hefting that motor on and > off might invite back trouble. We will see how it goes. > --Gary Hyde > Gary et al, I have to 'weigh in' with an emphatic 'Don't do it!!' When shopping for my M15 many years ago, I ran across several M15's and at least one M17 with damage at the hull-to-deck joint caused by trailing with outboards mounted to transom (the owners admitted as much). In all cases, the joint opened up--in one case dramatically, and stress/spider cracks were apparent. The transom hull-to-deck joint is not through-bolted as it is at port and starboard sides. Also, the reinforcement/backing at/in transom does not run the full height of the transom. There may be variation throughout production, or in more recent boats, but all the Jerry-built boats I have seen have had more or less the same configuration. Furthermore, I very much doubt that either Jerry or Bob (builder emeritus and current builder, respectively) would advocate this practice. If I remember correctly, Jerry spoke to this issue several years ago, and recommended strongly against the practice. If you have towed without damage to date, I am guessing that you have either been lucky, or have not yet towed far enough for damage to commence or be evident. If lifting the outboard is a problem, then perhaps some kind of lifting tackle, mechanical aid, or assistance from crew/bystanders is needed. Sincerely, Scott M15 #478 'bebe' Pacific Seacraft Flicka

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"What's New Button"
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 15 Mar '06

15 Mar '06

I know everyone will find this... I moved the "What's New" to a button in the upper right corner of the page. Thought it may be better for new visitors to see the site is being maintained. Bill _www.MSOGPhotoSite.com_ (http://www.MSOGPhotoSite.com)

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outboard motors
by Diane Kerr 15 Mar '06

15 Mar '06

Reading the thread on whether to trailer the outboard stowed or mounted reminded me of John Vigor's Black Box Theory. Good Old Boat published Vigor's article in which he recounts covering a speech by an American yachtsman. The speech was titled "The Fifth Essential for Successful Yacht Voyages." "I reduced the Fifth Essential to a simple system of accident prevention...every boat possesses an imaginary black box, a sort of bank account in which points are kept. In times of emergency, when there is nothing more to be done in the way of sensible seamanship, the points from your black box can buy your way out of trouble. You have no control over how the points are spent, of course; they withdraw themselves when the time is appropriate. You do have control over how the points get into the box: you earn them. For every seamanlike act you perform, you get a point in the black box." Check the following link for the complete article: http://www.boatus.com/goodoldboat/blackbox.htm Diane Kerr M15 #625 High Barbaree

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Re: M_Boats: New to the list
by bownez＠juno.com 15 Mar '06

15 Mar '06

HI Larry, Welcome back! There are two things I try to remember when I get the lust for a larger boat (two foot-itus), There is a fine line between you having the boat and the boat having you, and, if you go ahead and spend five to ten times the money for your new desire, that in no way means you're going to have five to ten times the enjoyment. In fact, the formula can be inversely proportional... There IS a lot to love in a Montgomery... Bones RE: I'm going back where I started; I'll be stopping in Pullman soon to look at a M-15. It doesn't get better than Montgomery. Larry B.

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Re: M_Boats: New to the list
by Larry E Yake 15 Mar '06

15 Mar '06

Hi Larry, You must be going to look at Vanilla. Nice boat! Either it's one of the fastest M15's out there, or Gary Hyde just sailed it real well. Welcome back to the group. We'll be doing a Montgomery cruise over in your neck of the woods this summer, launching June 10th in Anacortes for a 2 week cruise of the San Juan and Gulf Islands. You're welcome to join if you can fit it in. Vanilla knows her way all around those islands. <grin> Larry Yake On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:21:13 -0800 (PST) larry boone <larrysail64(a)yahoo.com> writes: > Hello, > > My name is Larry. I started sailing 20 years ago in Idaho with a > brand new Montgomery 15. Loved that boat and my fondest memories > are still M-15. Moved up to larger boats (40 foot) and had some > great times. For whatever reasons I needed to move up and > experience big boat. I learned, however, that the fun was in the > "sailing". The larger the boat the more time I've spent doing > maintenance and the less time sailing. I'm going back where I > started; I'll be stopping in Pullman soon to look at a M-15. It > doesn't get better than Montgomery. > > Larry B. > Bellingham, WA. > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >

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Re: M_Boats: outboard motors
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 15 Mar '06

15 Mar '06

I almost forgot to tell the "My Outboard Motor was Stolen" story. I went through this about five years ago and some of the folks on the Potter Forum would remember the story. I had a near new flat bottom pram I used to skim the tops of rivers in Nor-Cal with. My favored place to camp is remote and I got there to late to launch and instead did a little wading Flyfishing. I got back at dark, made my bed in the Dodge van with alarm set to 5AM. I got up in the morning, got everything packed away and finally saw that the transom of the aluminum pram was chopped out and the motor and a chunk of the transom were gone. The final diagnosis was a cordless Sawzall and a couple of chops with a hatchet. Probably took all of five minutes or less and I was waist deep in white water and heard nothing. It was the first day of a two week vacation. After I told my tale of woe another chimed in to say his Honda 2hp had been stolen in less than five minutes and it was locked onto the boat. The Honda 2 has a collar where the motor pivots. By removing two bolts a thief can take the entire motor leaving the mount clamps on the mount. In my case, the thieves were so persistent, it was possibly fortuitous the motor wasn't inside the van. Make it hard for them to take and make sure it's insured - sage advice

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Re: M_Boats: outboard motors
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 15 Mar '06

15 Mar '06

Here's another thought or two... I'm guessing the addition of the "Knee" (bracket between bottom and transom) on power boats, even the very small ones is what makes it okay to put a 15 horse on there and bounce along. My 25 plus year old 13 foot Gregor aluminum has always had the motor attached. Used to be an ancient 115 pound 15hp, now an 86 pound 15hp. Several sets of tires and many miles... "Built like a Monty - very strong!" My reason for light is beautiful, easy is better, is because of problems with shoulders. It almost killed me to lift the last foot or so of the Johnson 6hp (70 pounds) up to the stationary motor mount on the M-17. My 17 had the motor attached for 12 years before I got her. And apparently towed over several Oregon Mountain passes on many occasions. The prior owner scoffed when I asked him to carry the motor separate when he was kind enough to deliver her to me. I can find no damage and the new owner, when I sold her, who is a lot more sailboat savvy than I, says she's great. I guess I'm wondering what the manufacturer of sailboats (any brand) would need to make it okay to carry the motor on the transom. Just the knee brace sounds too easy, or it would have been done by now... Perhaps a part of it is in tradition, rather than construction. Bill

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