April 2004 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

raising the mast fore OR aft
by MC 05 Apr '04

05 Apr '04

A message to those who have done it both ways, is it not easier to raise the mast up towards aft direction using the boom and the topping lift OR the forward direction. It would seem less energy be required and there would be better leverage by using the boom method but I don't see it mentioned in the archives.

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removal
by APPLETKG1＠aol.com 05 Apr '04

05 Apr '04

Please unscibe me to this I did it, but it didn't get me taken off.

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Re: M_Boats: Paint
by chbenneck＠juno.com 05 Apr '04

05 Apr '04

Hi Craig, I repainted our 29 footer using International two part polyurethane (?) paint many many years ago. As the painted area gets larger you need a second person to tip off the paint as you progress. .........and yes, I did have a few sags in the paint that disturbed me. However, my helper said, if you get 10 feet away from the boat you'll never see them; ........and he was right! The finish looked great. On the ComPac 16, the Car Topper and the NYMPH, I used the single part International paint for the hull, and they all look great. The two part paint may last a few years longer, but is more difficult to apply properly. After my experience with both systems, I'll use the single part paint and settle for the easier and more forgiving application. If I have to repaint after 6 years instead of 10 will I really remember; or care? Connie

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p.s., New Old M-17
by Honshells 05 Apr '04

05 Apr '04

And an epoxy coat would not be good idea on the topsides, right, because Epoxy is not UV-resistant? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Honshells" <chonshell(a)ia4u.net> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 12:57 PM Subject: New Old M-17 I'm in the same "boat", but have pretty much decided I don't care how my Monty looks on her trailer, I'm more interested in how she looks in the water (as I have no immediate plans to sell) . . . However, I may eventually repaint the whole boat, and I like the idea of the Epoxy coat . . . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Yake" <leyake(a)juno.com> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 1:06 AM Subject: New Old M-17 Hi Bill, I used Peel Away to strip the bottom paint off Tullamore 2 years ago. It was a messy job, but it worked and didn't kick a lot of toxic dust particles into the air like sanding can. Peel Away won't damage the gel-coat, but it won't end up clean and shiny either. 25 years of wear and tear and stain from the bottom paint will leave it pretty ugly. I repainted the bottom with VC High Performace Epoxy (Tullamore lives on a trailer, too) and have been very happy with it. Larry On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 20:25:27 -0800 William Sylvester <wmcsyl1(a)cox.net> writes: We are about done restoring our 1978 M-17 except for the patchy blue anti-fouling paint that tightly clings to parts of her bottom. I was planning on using "Peel Away" to get rid of the offending paint and have the boat go without bottom paint. I have been advised that using any paint remover might seriously damage the gel coat, especially one as old as mine. If I can't remove the old paint, I want to paint over it. I don't need an anti-fouling paint as my boat will be on the trailer. Do you have any suggestions? Bill

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splash!
by Roberta Dvorscak 04 Apr '04

04 Apr '04

We launched our "new" 1979 M23 yesterday for the first time! I managed to do something wrong with everything during our first setup of the boat but each mistake was easily remedied (it just took longer to get things right). We quickly discovered that it was impossible for us to raise the mast the same way that we used to do it on the M17 (I just had to try). The gin pole and mainsheet for mechanical advantage is definitely the way we have to go. Once we hit the water, though, everything was sweet. My hat's off to Jerry and Lyle. This boat is a joy to sail. My wife was happy, I was happy, the sun was shining and the wind was blowing - a perfect day of sailing. Topped off, of course, by a celebratory stop at a good steakhouse before heading for home. Fair Winds to all, I hope you're sailing soon as well. Mark and Roberta 1979 M23 #74 Faith

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Re: M_Boats: New Old M-17
by Larry Yake 04 Apr '04

04 Apr '04

Hi Bill, I used Peel Away to strip the bottom paint off Tullamore 2 years ago. It was a messy job, but it worked and didn't kick a lot of toxic dust particles into the air like sanding can. Peel Away won't damage the gel-coat, but it won't end up clean and shiny either. 25 years of wear and tear and stain from the bottom paint will leave it pretty ugly. I repainted the bottom with VC High Performace Epoxy (Tullamore lives on a trailer, too) and have been very happy with it. Larry On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 20:25:27 -0800 William Sylvester <wmcsyl1(a)cox.net> writes: > We are about done restoring our 1978 M-17 except for the > patchy blue > anti-fouling paint that tightly clings to parts of her bottom. > I was planning on using "Peel Away" to get rid of the > offending paint > and have the boat go without bottom paint. I have been advised that > > using any paint remover might seriously damage the gel coat, > especially one as old as mine. > If I can't remove the old paint, I want to paint over it. I > don't > need an anti-fouling paint as my boat will be on the trailer. > Do you have any suggestions? > > Bill > > M-17 Endelig > #279 > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >

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New Old M-17
by William Sylvester 04 Apr '04

04 Apr '04

We are about done restoring our 1978 M-17 except for the patchy blue anti-fouling paint that tightly clings to parts of her bottom. I was planning on using "Peel Away" to get rid of the offending paint and have the boat go without bottom paint. I have been advised that using any paint remover might seriously damage the gel coat, especially one as old as mine. If I can't remove the old paint, I want to paint over it. I don't need an anti-fouling paint as my boat will be on the trailer. Do you have any suggestions? Bill M-17 Endelig #279

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Re: M_Boats: New Old M-17
by chbenneck＠juno.com 04 Apr '04

04 Apr '04

Hi Bill, When I had my derelict ComPac 16, and totally refinished it, I removed the bottom paint the hard way; by scraping; two square inches at a time................... It's dirty but effective. ( You also need a tolerant wife who will put up with going to bed with a blue faced man!) I had to do the same with the hull. Someone had put on a coat of latex house paint to make it a bit presentable, and the first 6 inches just peeled off.................. Hurrah I thought, piece of cake, but of course Murphy showed up, and all the remaining paint was firmly welded in place. Again time, patience, and a constantly sharpened scraper - and only a 16 foot long hull - and eventually the last bit of paint was gone. Refinishing is then the easy job Connie

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Spinnakers/Genakers
by Mark Escovedo 04 Apr '04

04 Apr '04

Anybody out there rigged for spinnaker. Just curious about the masthead hardware arrangement? I would like to get things set up with a furling headsail and be able to set a spinnaker. I currently have external halyards. Which I'm sure will have to go internal. Any practical experience with this would be welcome Sailing For Fun Mark

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Re: M_Boats: Connie's Canals
by chbenneck＠juno.com 03 Apr '04

03 Apr '04

His Scott, My memory was correct. The Canal du Midi connects at Toulouse with the canal lateral a la Garonne and with the river Garonne. It runs in an easterly direction and falls into l'Etang de Thau at the Mediterranean The Canal du Midi has a length of 240 kilometers between Toulouse and l'Etang de Thau. There are 101 locks; 24 fall towards Toulouse and 77 towards l'Etang de Thau. Many of them are "staircase" or "riser" locks which perhaps accounts for the rather long time required to make the passage. It may be comforting to know that the flight of four locks at Castelnaudry and the flight of seven locks at Fonserannes are worked electrically. All locks have a width of 5 m 50 and a length of each chamber is 30 m 00 There are many fixed bridges, most near the locks. All have a headroom of 3 m 50 at the centerline, but this may fall way rapidly according to the arch of the structure. All traffic using the canal is self-propelled; the tow path has fallen into disuse and is no longer practicable. ~~~~~~~~~~ On the canal des Ardennes from the summit descending down into a long broad valley, we went through 32 hand operated locks in one day: 06:30 to 18:40 = 42 kilometers. The canal was opened for traffic in 1833! ~~~~~~~~~~ >From Rotterdam we went to Papendrecht; Gorinchem; Helmond; to Maasbracht. Then up the Maas river through Belgium to Givet, which is the border between France and Belgium. Then you get into the French canal system, and our first canal tunnel - 565 meter long. Normal water depth throughout is 1 m 80. Now that I have located my old books again, fire away if you have questions. Connie

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