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Re: M_Boats: m-15 pivot pin
by Mark Pavuk 16 Apr '02

16 Apr '02

Dale, I am wondering if there is any problem with just using a bolt, washers, and a nut that locks in ( I think I am using the right terms - my mechanical knowledge isn't much). My friend who is working on the boat for me wants to do a quick fix for the season and then really work on the boat next winter, so he wondered why one would need to use the epoxy. Wouldn't water get in there anyway? I found a bolt at West Marine for $5.00 that is what they call marine grade stainless steel. It fit perfectly (3/8") and I was going to cut off the head and the threads to make it a pin but am now wondering if that is necessary. Cherri ---------- >From: "Honshells" <chonshell(a)ia4u.net> >To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Subject: M_Boats: m-15 pivot pin >Date: Sat, Apr 13, 2002, 2:06 PM > > >Dale, I'd love to see that pic on the MSOG website. Thanks, Craig > >p.s. Did you bevel the leading edge of your new steel board/do any >"airfoil" shaping of any kind? > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dale Williams" <dalew(a)brainerd.net> >To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 11:39 PM >Subject: M_Boats: m-15 pivot pin > > >Cherri: > >I had a centerboard made from steel and will want to drop it out for >inspection from time to time. Since I don't want to monkey around with >epoxy >each time, I cut a pin to the width of the keel and had the ends tapped. >Allen bolts inserted through caps screw into each end of the pin and hold in >place. John, who made my board and the pin set-up said that he would be >glad >to make pins for anyone who was interested for ( I would have to check with >him in case I am remembering wrong) $20, shipping included. If you are >interested I can take a picture of my keel with the pin in it and post it on >the web for you. > >Dale Williams >Staples, MN >M-15 #185 "Sophie Mae" > > >_______________________________________________ >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > >_______________________________________________ >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Hawaii's "wake"
by Werner Pels 15 Apr '02

15 Apr '02

A fascinating article about Hawaii's "wake", and how it may have influenced ancient Polynesian sailing voyages: http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2002/10apr_hawaii.htm?list456709 a lurker

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Pacific Sail Expo
by Bob Campbell 15 Apr '02

15 Apr '02

The Pacific Sail Expo will be taking place this Wednesday 04/17/02 through Sunday 04/21/02 at Jack London Square in Oakland CA. I'm planning to launch Alina Thursday evening at the Grand Street ramp in Alameda and spend Thursday night through Sunday morning guest berthed at Marina Village. Should be a great weekend of estuary/bay sailing and boat gawking! It would be great to have other Montgomerys to sail with. Alina just got back from a few days at Jerry Montgomery's shop where she received a new Harken roller-bearing traveler and a few other little modifications. Needless to say, Jerry does very fine work! He seems to really know his way around the M-17. Guess having built several hundred of them helps :-) Hope to see some of you at the Sail Expo this weekend. Fair winds, Bob Campbell Montgomery 17 #615 "Alina" Lodi, CA

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Re: M_Boats: m-15 pivot pin
by Randy Watkins 15 Apr '02

15 Apr '02

Doug a simple preventative solution, I like it. >>> doug_kelch(a)yahoo.com 04/14/02 08:53AM >>> Cherri, I had a spare pin. If I can find it you can have it. I am convinced the pin virbrates out while trailering. I trailer about 3 - 4k miles every year. The hole for the pin on my boat is probably larger than normal due to wear. I keep the pin in useing a piece of sail repair tape on both sides. Thanks Doug --- Mark Pavuk <mcpavuk(a)worldnet.att.net> wrote: > Dale, > I am wondering if there is any problem with just > using a bolt, washers, > and a nut that locks in ( I think I am using the > right terms - my mechanical > knowledge isn't much). My friend who is working on > the boat for me wants to > do a quick fix for the season and then really work > on the boat next winter, > so he wondered why one would need to use the epoxy. > Wouldn't water get in > there anyway? I found a bolt at West Marine for > $5.00 that is what they call > marine grade stainless steel. It fit perfectly > (3/8") and I was going to cut > off the head and the threads to make it a pin but am > now wondering if that > is necessary. > Cherri > ---------- > >From: "Honshells" <chonshell(a)ia4u.net> > >To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > >Subject: M_Boats: m-15 pivot pin > >Date: Sat, Apr 13, 2002, 2:06 PM > > > > > > >Dale, I'd love to see that pic on the MSOG website. > Thanks, Craig > > > >p.s. Did you bevel the leading edge of your new > steel board/do any > >"airfoil" shaping of any kind? > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Dale Williams" <dalew(a)brainerd.net> > >To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > >Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 11:39 PM > >Subject: M_Boats: m-15 pivot pin > > > > > >Cherri: > > > >I had a centerboard made from steel and will want > to drop it out for > >inspection from time to time. Since I don't want > to monkey around with > >epoxy > >each time, I cut a pin to the width of the keel and > had the ends tapped. > >Allen bolts inserted through caps screw into each > end of the pin and hold in > >place. John, who made my board and the pin set-up > said that he would be > >glad > >to make pins for anyone who was interested for ( I > would have to check with > >him in case I am remembering wrong) $20, shipping > included. If you are > >interested I can take a picture of my keel with the > pin in it and post it on > >the web for you. > > > >Dale Williams > >Staples, MN > >M-15 #185 "Sophie Mae" > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: 2nd Annual State of the MSOG Address
by Kerry Swart - Sun Microsystems - Phoenix United States 15 Apr '02

15 Apr '02

Doug I'm in Brazil for another week. As soon as I get back I will send in my $410. Kerry Swart >My Fellow and Fella MSOGgies, > >1. Well, We're sitting here watching "Teenage Space Vampires" on the tube and >We says to Ourself, "Hmmm...vampire...bloodsucker...time for the MSOG fund >drive!" > >Perfect timing--just after the Public Radio/TV Spring Fund Drive and right >before April 15th taps everybody. Perhaps we're looking at blood from a turnip >(not that anyone's a turnip; everybody knows vegetables can't read a nautical >chart, not like ornamental flowers can. You don't believe it? Really? Two >words: Compass Rose. Here's another: Day Marx: Communist navigation aids, but >only the red ones, which should always stay on the left. Go figure.) > >Anyway, as you may remember, last year We (I can use the royal "We", We am, >after all, a King, in fact, my parents nearly named me "Nojets") requested >sufficient funds to pay for a first-class round-trip airline ticket, rental >car, luxury suite, laptop, scanner, and color laser printer so that We could go >to California to gather stuff for the MSOG site directly from the factory. And >We paraphrase: > >"These add up to a total of just $10,300. >Since we're on a roll, and to strike while the iron is hot, if we go by Keith's >numbers that there are 25 regular users, We'd like to ask you each to send Us >only $410. It's actually $412, but hey, We'll spring for the extra $50." > >We're sad to say we didn't quite make that goal (We didn't even cough up the >50.) > >This year, We really think we have a chance to do something big, since there >are so many new MSOGgies now. Our suggestion is that we all chip in and buy the >web master a new M-23 so that They can report firsthand on its capabilities. >Naturally, it should be fully outfitted so that They can report on all of the >features. Think of the slogan: "The Montgomery 23: Fit for a"--well, you get >the idea. And of course, anyone who donates would get to use the Royal Barge, >if you can find where We live or a body of water within six hours' drive that's >bigger than the boat itself. > >In lieu of that, once again We respectfully ask for a small donation from those >of you who think the MSOG web site is worth $5 a year. Any extra funds will go >to the "Buy That Royal Web Guy A Beer" Fund (or royal something Fund, if that's >how you feel.) Any ADDITIONAL funds will go to buy Tod a computer with a date >on it. (Good Luck, Tod, We're thirsty--We're afraid you're stuck with your >ENIAC.) ;) > >Please send your donation to: >HRH Doug King >704 Ascot Lane >Blacksburg, VA 24060 > >2. Just as a little added incentive, We have the latest set of pictures and >narration from Bob Eeg on the new 23. Bob sent them today. He and Jerry have >finished the mold and started production. Must be about 25 new pictures, one of >which should win an award. Fascinating stuff. Incredible. Amazing. But, tuh, >gee, We just can't seem to find the time to get to 'em until Our, uh, financial >problems are taken care of--yeah, that's the ticket, financial problems. Yeah, >can't do anything until--aaah, forget it. they're up on the web site under Meet >the M-boats, New M-23, "Part 3: The Production". Or click: >http://msog.org/models/m23new/Part3_new23.cfm here. Something to browse this >weekend. > >3. For the MSOGgies planning rendezvous-ses(?), don't forget the MSOG Chat Room >is available. You can all get on at once and work out plans, or become more >confused, pretty quickly. > >4. Please, please, PLEASE report bad links or errors that you find on the web >site. It won't upset Us a whit. We want it to work the way it oughta. Just >found out the M-15 painting screensaver .zip file probably hasn't worked for >months, if ever. We're sure We tested it, but We could be wrong. We're a King, >not a Pope. > >5. If there is any information you would like to see on the web site or, >especially new owners, if there is any information you have that you think >would be useful, please e-mail me and we'll type about it. New or repair >projects with pictures are always of interest. > >Seriously, your MSOG donation would be very much appreciated. > >All in fun except the sentence above, > >Doug > > >------------------------------------------ >Doug King >M-17 #404 "Vixen" > >Montgomery Sailboats Owners Group Web site: http://msog.org >Email: mailto:msog@msog.org

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Re: M_Boats: m-15 pivot pin
by Mark Pavuk 15 Apr '02

15 Apr '02

Thanks, Doug. If you do find it, let me know; I'd be glad to pay postage or whatever. We are trying the bolt method for now, just to get the boat in the water. Cherri ---------- >From: Doug Kelch <doug_kelch(a)yahoo.com> >To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >Subject: Re: M_Boats: m-15 pivot pin >Date: Sun, Apr 14, 2002, 9:53 AM > >Cherri, > >I had a spare pin. If I can find it you can have it. > >I am convinced the pin virbrates out while trailering. > I trailer about 3 - 4k miles every year. The hole >for the pin on my boat is probably larger than normal >due to wear. I keep the pin in useing a piece of sail >repair tape on both sides. > >Thanks > >Doug >--- Mark Pavuk <mcpavuk(a)worldnet.att.net> wrote: >> Dale, >> I am wondering if there is any problem with just >> using a bolt, washers, >> and a nut that locks in ( I think I am using the >> right terms - my mechanical >> knowledge isn't much). My friend who is working on >> the boat for me wants to >> do a quick fix for the season and then really work >> on the boat next winter, >> so he wondered why one would need to use the epoxy. >> Wouldn't water get in >> there anyway? I found a bolt at West Marine for >> $5.00 that is what they call >> marine grade stainless steel. It fit perfectly >> (3/8") and I was going to cut >> off the head and the threads to make it a pin but am >> now wondering if that >> is necessary. >> Cherri >> ---------- >> >From: "Honshells" <chonshell(a)ia4u.net> >> >To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> >Subject: M_Boats: m-15 pivot pin >> >Date: Sat, Apr 13, 2002, 2:06 PM >> > >> >> > >> >Dale, I'd love to see that pic on the MSOG website. >> Thanks, Craig >> > >> >p.s. Did you bevel the leading edge of your new >> steel board/do any >> >"airfoil" shaping of any kind? >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: "Dale Williams" <dalew(a)brainerd.net> >> >To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> >Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 11:39 PM >> >Subject: M_Boats: m-15 pivot pin >> > >> > >> >Cherri: >> > >> >I had a centerboard made from steel and will want >> to drop it out for >> >inspection from time to time. Since I don't want >> to monkey around with >> >epoxy >> >each time, I cut a pin to the width of the keel and >> had the ends tapped. >> >Allen bolts inserted through caps screw into each >> end of the pin and hold in >> >place. John, who made my board and the pin set-up >> said that he would be >> >glad >> >to make pins for anyone who was interested for ( I >> would have to check with >> >him in case I am remembering wrong) $20, shipping >> included. If you are >> >interested I can take a picture of my keel with the >> pin in it and post it on >> >the web for you. >> > >> >Dale Williams >> >Staples, MN >> >M-15 #185 "Sophie Mae" >> > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >>http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >>http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax >http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > >_______________________________________________ >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: FW: M Sailing dinghy for sale
by MailerArm＠aol.com 14 Apr '02

14 Apr '02

I have taken my M17 on week long trips to Catalina Island, Santa Cruz Island, and Santa Rosa Island which are about 20 miles off of the southern California coast. It would be nice to have an M sailing dinghy play with While "The Big Boat" is anchored in some snug little cove. Please pass this information to your neighbor. MailerArm(a)aol.com Armand Sloper Riverside Ca. (909) 276-3386

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2nd Annual State of the MSOG Address
by Doug King 14 Apr '02

14 Apr '02

My Fellow and Fella MSOGgies, 1. Well, We're sitting here watching "Teenage Space Vampires" on the tube and We says to Ourself, "Hmmm...vampire...bloodsucker...time for the MSOG fund drive!" Perfect timing--just after the Public Radio/TV Spring Fund Drive and right before April 15th taps everybody. Perhaps we're looking at blood from a turnip (not that anyone's a turnip; everybody knows vegetables can't read a nautical chart, not like ornamental flowers can. You don't believe it? Really? Two words: Compass Rose. Here's another: Day Marx: Communist navigation aids, but only the red ones, which should always stay on the left. Go figure.) Anyway, as you may remember, last year We (I can use the royal "We", We am, after all, a King, in fact, my parents nearly named me "Nojets") requested sufficient funds to pay for a first-class round-trip airline ticket, rental car, luxury suite, laptop, scanner, and color laser printer so that We could go to California to gather stuff for the MSOG site directly from the factory. And We paraphrase: "These add up to a total of just $10,300. Since we're on a roll, and to strike while the iron is hot, if we go by Keith's numbers that there are 25 regular users, We'd like to ask you each to send Us only $410. It's actually $412, but hey, We'll spring for the extra $50." We're sad to say we didn't quite make that goal (We didn't even cough up the 50.) This year, We really think we have a chance to do something big, since there are so many new MSOGgies now. Our suggestion is that we all chip in and buy the web master a new M-23 so that They can report firsthand on its capabilities. Naturally, it should be fully outfitted so that They can report on all of the features. Think of the slogan: "The Montgomery 23: Fit for a"--well, you get the idea. And of course, anyone who donates would get to use the Royal Barge, if you can find where We live or a body of water within six hours' drive that's bigger than the boat itself. In lieu of that, once again We respectfully ask for a small donation from those of you who think the MSOG web site is worth $5 a year. Any extra funds will go to the "Buy That Royal Web Guy A Beer" Fund (or royal something Fund, if that's how you feel.) Any ADDITIONAL funds will go to buy Tod a computer with a date on it. (Good Luck, Tod, We're thirsty--We're afraid you're stuck with your ENIAC.) ;) Please send your donation to: HRH Doug King 704 Ascot Lane Blacksburg, VA 24060 2. Just as a little added incentive, We have the latest set of pictures and narration from Bob Eeg on the new 23. Bob sent them today. He and Jerry have finished the mold and started production. Must be about 25 new pictures, one of which should win an award. Fascinating stuff. Incredible. Amazing. But, tuh, gee, We just can't seem to find the time to get to 'em until Our, uh, financial problems are taken care of--yeah, that's the ticket, financial problems. Yeah, can't do anything until--aaah, forget it. they're up on the web site under Meet the M-boats, New M-23, "Part 3: The Production". Or click: http://msog.org/models/m23new/Part3_new23.cfm here. Something to browse this weekend. 3. For the MSOGgies planning rendezvous-ses(?), don't forget the MSOG Chat Room is available. You can all get on at once and work out plans, or become more confused, pretty quickly. 4. Please, please, PLEASE report bad links or errors that you find on the web site. It won't upset Us a whit. We want it to work the way it oughta. Just found out the M-15 painting screensaver .zip file probably hasn't worked for months, if ever. We're sure We tested it, but We could be wrong. We're a King, not a Pope. 5. If there is any information you would like to see on the web site or, especially new owners, if there is any information you have that you think would be useful, please e-mail me and we'll type about it. New or repair projects with pictures are always of interest. Seriously, your MSOG donation would be very much appreciated. All in fun except the sentence above, Doug ------------------------------------------ Doug King M-17 #404 "Vixen" Montgomery Sailboats Owners Group Web site: http://msog.org Email: mailto:msog@msog.org

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"Sailing" Magazine
by Honshells 14 Apr '02

14 Apr '02

I wrote to the editor of my favorite American magazine, "Sailing", and asked him to feature the Montgomerys. Because Montys are older designs, he didn't seem too keen on covering the boats themselves, but said he would very much welcome pocket-cruising article submissions featuring the boats. If any of you who contribute cruising adventure stories to the MSOG site are interested in being published in a mainstream magazine, I wrote to: Adam Cort (sailingmag(a)ameritech.net) Deputy Managing Editor Sailing Magazine 125 Main Street P.O. Box 249 Port Washington, WI 53074 Adam's response to my inquiry was: Thanks for the input regarding the Montgomery 17 and 15. They look like neat boats and I would love to see them get more coverage in our magazine. Because they are older designs they are not especially newsworthy in and of themselves, but they could be the perfect vehicle for a pocket cruiser story. In fact, cruising stories featuring smaller boats like the Montgomerys are something we are very much looking for. You wouldn't by any chance know of any writers/sailors who might be willing to give something like that a try? Or, do you know of any Montgomerys that might be available for use/charter that a writer could take out for a cruise? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I have a hunch Adam might feature the M boats themselves, were someone to submit an article. It would pretty cool if one of "Sailing's" staff were able to use/charter a Montgomery for a cruise article, wouldn't it?

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Re: M_Boats: m-15 pivot pin
by Steve R 13 Apr '02

13 Apr '02

One final note for those who will use a nut and bolt for a pivot pin. Stainless fasteners are notorious for seizing up and not coming apart. I would suggest coating the threads with anti-seize compound, from an auto parts or hardware store. Use a lock washer to prevent inadvertent loosening. I do not know why SS locks up... I probably slept through that class as well. Steve R. M-15 #119 Lexington, KY

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